The Nineteenth Byte

@quartata but that has the @thingy

@Maltysen say what now

Maltysen

one in res and one outside

⁣Now this is a secret reply.

@quartata blowing my mind here

@Maltysen No idea how long that file's been there O_O

⁣Hit inspect element. If you dare.

4:03 AM

nofollow berr

Nope.

Maltysen

@phase its the zero-width space

@Maltysen The file should be fixed

⁣nope.jpg

Make a link like you would with Markdown, but put an invisible separator as the link description.

@phase That worked. Congratulations.

@quartata yay life

HOLY CRAP SOMEONE OTHER THAN MY MOM AND ME USED MY LANGUAGE codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/59308/41711

4:08 AM

my mom and me*

@Doorknob Can you edit it?

tfw you accidentally removed implicit stack printing

Good thing no one actually tried to run my FizzBuzz program

@phase yes

"I" is a subject; "me" is an object

Do we consider SMBF quines proper quines?

@phase your mom is a programmer?

4:10 AM

@TheDoctor no it was a joke ;-;

lulz

A: Halloween Golf: The 2spooky4me Challenge!

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Rotor, 15 bytes &"spooky"~2+"me Language was created after the challenge.

"Let's malloc(1000000) just to be safe." #CodeDay

Tweeted by KeyboardFire on November 8, 2015 at 2:16 AM

Q: there is error in this code ?

Oh no people stating to tag their off-topic programming questions as code-golf

-2

public static void main(String[] args) { // TODO code application logic here double hypotenuseLength, hypotenuseArea; Scanner input = new Scanner(System.in); System.out.print("Enter length of hypotenuse: "); hypotenuseLength = input.nextDouble(); hypotenuseArea =...

They're adapting what should we do

Also LOL at the default NetBeans comment (// TODO code application logic here)

@quartata where is the delete button...

4:15 AM

I don't think it has enough downvotes.

Not that I'm encouraging you to downvote it...

-2 is enough to teach him a lesson

Why would anyone go on Programming Puzzles & Code Golf looking for help on how to program? We've got no idea!

there it is

clicks it

your vote has been recorded

That's funny. I still don't see it even though I have enough rep to cast delete votes.

hmmmm

Oh I can't insta-delete.

I have to wait 2 days.

4:18 AM

neither can i

Yeah you do.

@TheDoctor You're a trusted user, so your privileges include:

> Voting to delete questions with a score of -3 or lower immediately after they are closed

but i'm not @doorknob

@Dennis :(

I'm not trustworthy?

Look:

According to the arbitrary limits imposed by our overlords, you are 57% trustworthy.

4:21 AM

How can you not trust someone with such an innocent face?

@Dennis hmph

Any experts on quines around?

SMBF quines count as quines since they do not use file I/O.

And yes, I have telepathy.

Hm, if no file I/O is sufficient, I could just use Help, Wardoq!.

Doesn't seem right.

@Dennis Yes. Yes you could.

SMBF quines probably aren't proper quines.

A proper quine should basically contain the information twice, if I understood the description correctly

4:26 AM

@ThomasKwa I don't see why. It doesn't violate any standard loopholes, and it is the defining feature of the language.

What if we made Pyth but for C? Has that been done?

I was referring to meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/4877/… for the definition

@phase That would be insanely difficult.

Actually D would be a better idea

@phase Why would we do that?

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4:27 AM

@ThomasKwa You can easily add a payload to the SMBF quine, it'll still work.

@ThomasKwa The same reason you'd want to code in Pyth: making a language less verbose

> (space) Begin a comment. The next non-space character ends the comment and is interpreted as usual.

@TheDoctor Yeah we don't like to talk about that

:P

@phase This would work.

C is just too strict for something like that.

4:28 AM

You mean a golfing language that starts out as C with shorter syntax, and has additional commands slowly implemented in C, right @phase?

string i=a[1..$].idup.join(' '); is wayyyyy too verbose just to get input

@ThomasKwa Not necessarily. You can always store something in a variable which is printed and evaluated.

@ThomasKwa Or just lots of macros

Which is more or less what the proper CJam and Fission quines do.

@Dennis I wouldn't

4:30 AM

@phase If we did something like how I was planning to do Downdraft (partial keyword matching) it could look something like this: str i=a[1..$].id.j(' ');

@Dennis Hm, you're right; I misunderstood. Reading again...

Not a whole lot better I'll admit.

@quartata having a variable I would be a lot easier

@feersum sighs It's not even short, but it would play a lot nicer with the other languages for the quinecatenate challenge.

I'm going to blow Phi's mind by upvoting an answer of his from 4 years ago

Shhh

4:34 AM

Well, I left a comment.

Even after reading the meta discussion you linked to, I am unsure what exactly is acceptable as quine. For example, would using SMBF (which starts with its source code in the data array) be acceptable? — Dennis ♦ 24 secs ago

hehe

@Doorknob

Why are you pinging Doorknob?

He wants him to delete that thing.

nah the roomba will clean it up

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4:36 AM

1. Those questions get roomba'd anyway. It's not worth the effort. 2. We have a perfectly good mod here right now.

(Now there are two.)

@Doorknob Assuming it doesn't get stuck on one of those pesky no objective winning criteria questions

@Dennis I'm not sure he knows you are a mod lel

@Doorknob what are you using to convert the fractal into a viewable image? or do I have to write something myself?

@feersum codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/63256/reverse-the-truth

@TheDoctor first rule of codeday is you don't talk about codeday

"this does not work correctly for input "falstrue"

4:38 AM

@Maltysen Did your computer explode from the awesomeness of O like mine did? (because that's totally the reason why my Python code wasn't working <.<)

@quartata -\_(ö)_/-

@TheDoctor ImageMagick's convert

@phase I don't know why but this felt relevant: youtube.com/watch?v=edHCGGPCxcA

I think I killed chat with that mind-blowingly realistic hair simulation.

Geobits

Or TheDoctor killed it with his weirdly suggestive ASCII-man.

$ ./fractal
Floating point exception: 8

um

4:48 AM

haha what

uh

status-norepro

i'm on clang

Apple LLVM version 6.1.0 (clang-602.0.53) (based on LLVM 3.6.0svn)

@quartata ...I got "BattleBlock Theater - Steam Announcement Trailer". Wrong link?

@Doorknob how do i c++

it's not c++

it's C...

nvm

    $ ./fractal 2
    0 0 -2147483648
... repeated 1000000 times ...

4:52 AM

@El'endiaStarman I don't think so..

@TheDoctor oh

it doesn't work with one number

you need at least two numbers

why? I do not know the answer to that question

>.<

ah

but not width and height?

number can be from 0-20. IMO the combination 1 2 3 6 7 13 15 17 19 looks best

no, defaults to 1000x1000

you can change that with the -w and -h flags

Anyone know how to go from binary to decimal in D?

@phase use JQuery?

5:01 AM

@phase Two minutes of searching yields nothing. I don't know D though.

@ThomasKwa 10 minutes of searching hasn't helped me either :\

@Doorknob please explain the command you are using to convert this... i'm too tired to read through 323 lines of flag listing

convert out.ppm out.png

it's... fairly straightforward

Can we form a list of "standard memes that are no longer funny"?

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Q: The Many Memes of PPCG

Catchphrases and concepts that spread from person to person are known as memes, which, courtesy the Internet, can now explode across the Earth like a highly contagious virus (hence "going viral"). As with their real-life counterparts, some infectious diseases are global (pandemic), while others a...

discussion

done :P

5:03 AM

I've not completely decided that jQuery is no longer funny, but...

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 make an interesting pattern too

@TheDoctor what?

that's... boring :P

I'm posting interesting-ish results in this Miaou room

@TheDoctor it looks like specks of dirt!

@Doorknob uploading to that seems to be stuck

5:12 AM

yeah it doesn't work :/

:(

@TheDoctor looks like a cloud chamber

I have a question..what did @Geobits say on November 1st?

hahaha

5:17 AM

@quartata Thanks, but why?

@TanMath nothing on the transcript?

Probably something about graduating.

@PhiNotPi did he a tually say anything about graduating?

@PhiNotPi closest match chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/25094883#25094883

@PhiNotPi chat.stackexchange.com/…

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we did animations :D

/cc @El'endiaStarman since you seemed to like these :P

5:21 AM

@TheDoctor Also this: chat.stackexchange.com/…

@Doorknob WOAH!!!

ME LIKEY.

@Doorknob el pusho de githubo

hang on I'm working on making it not horrible

@Doorknob Do you >> file.pmb?

@El'endiaStarman No, it was exactly what it was supposed to be.

@PhiNotPi Because.

5:35 AM

@phase no, you > file.ppm

but wait it'll change soon

@quartata Was expecting awesome hair simulation. Was disappointed.

@Doorknob whoa

@El'endiaStarman The hair simulation is at the end.

500x500 animation

@Doorknob Oh man

@phase done

5:38 AM

You know, maybe I should make a challenge about fractal flames.

they're very complicated

and... mathy

@Doorknob Right up my alley

Although Mathematica probably has a two byte builtin for it

@Doorknob [watches it for a minute]

It's actually only one byte: FractalFlameOfAwesomeness. It's a new unicode character that got added in because Mathematica.

@Doorknob have you considered golfing your code now

5:43 AM

pls no

yes

If you've still got 12 hours left what else is there to do?

make animations less horrible

the web server interface

web server sounds a lot less useful than golfing

(oh and by horrible I mean horrible)

5:44 AM

@Doorknob For a moment I thought you were doing a Thue-Morse sequence with the +/-. :P

Anonymous

So I came to a terrible realization

heh, it was just lots of copy/paste

now I'm randomly generating them

Anonymous

Seed should be generalized to any language, similar to Sacred

@Mego status-declined

Anonymous

It would work basically identically to Seed currently: you give it a length and seed, it spits out a program

Anonymous

5:47 AM

The only changes would be using the entire [0,255] range instead of [32,126]+'\n', and specifying the name of the language the output program would be, like "Seeded Python"

@Doorknob Typedefs and inconsistent tabs lea͠ki̧n͘g fr̶ǫm my eye͢s̸ ̛*l̕ik͏e liquid pai*n

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Anonymous

It would still be just as hard to find programs in (actually probably harder due to the larger range of characters)

@quartata it's a hackathon what do you expect :D

@Doorknob At least format your code

Anonymous

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5:49 AM

Well it won't be too difficult to golf this down.

It is already halfway there.

Anonymous

I'm not sorry for sharing this link

I'm too scared to click on it.

Anonymous

It just makes your text look like Doorknob's code

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@Mego Oh I see.

I did mine by hand...

Anonymous

5:51 AM

So far my Seed brute-forcer has only successfully gotten 4 out of the 7 characters for the Truth Machine code

It was supposed to be a reference to this: stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/…

Anonymous

@quartata How do you do it by hand?

@Mego Expect it to take a lonnggg time.

Anonymous

@quartata It's been running for like 18 hours already lol

@Mego They're just unicode chars.

5:52 AM

@Mego Are you aware that there are only 2^32 possible seeds?

Anonymous

I modified the code from the Seed esolang page to make it suck less

Anonymous

@feersum Yes

Anonymous

It's gone through 500 million in these 18 hours

@Dennis has posted on this question three of its four answers. I believe this is a foreshadowing of him eventually accounting for 75% of our overall activity.

Hahaha. It's just a side effect of having to change languages every time you "golf" your code. :P

5:54 AM

Oh hey I hadn't noticed that challenge

Anonymous

Rather than going through each possible seed sequentially, my program takes advantage of the Mersenne Twister's long period, and chooses a random seed out of the 2^32 possible ones each iteration

Anonymous

Which means that, in all likelihood, it will go through all 2^32 before repeating any

Anonymous

And because it chooses them in random order, needing a seed close to 2^32 isn't a life sentence

I don't understand how that's an "advantage" over trying each one in order.

The problem is actually more that there are 96^7 >> 2^32 possible 7-char programs.

It's five orders of magnitude greater.

5:56 AM

But a solution is almost certainly possible

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Q: Implement a Truth Machine

A truth machine (credits goes to dis guy for coming up with it) is a very simple program designed to demonstrate the I/O and control flow of a language. Here's what a truth machine does: Gets a number (either 0 or 1) from STDIN. If that number is 0, print out 0 and terminate. If that number is ...

code-golf

The specific one Mego is going for might not be?

I finally got the byte/unary rules together.

I took them out yesterday but decided to put them back in but better

Nov 3 at 19:02, by feersum

Find a seed that starts with ^ and keep generating bytes until you hit \n>followed by your program.

What if we made an interpreted language that had no compile-time exceptions!