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12:06 AM
But it will give you an appreciation for that beauty.
 
@JohnDuffield Lol, those last few words derailed it all quite a bit :P
@Rigor Why?
@Rigor Nice, now I'm listening to this guy's music
 
:-)
 
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A: Obtain the Lagrangian from the system of coupled equation

diracpaulMAIN SECTION : The Lagrangian Let express the equations of motion and the Euler-Lagrange equations with zero right hand sides \begin{equation} \bbox[#FFFF88,12px]{\ddot{Q}_{k}+\omega^{2}_{k}Q_{k}-2\dfrac{\dot{q}}{q}\sum_{j}g_{kj}\dot{Q}_{j}-\dfrac{\ddot{q}q-\dot{q}^{2}}{q^{2}}\sum_{j}g_{kj}Q...

Jul 13 at 21:06, by ACuriousMind
This user's answers just...baffle me
How long did it take them to write this monstrous answeR, I wonder?
 
diracpaul doesn't mess around
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@ACuriousMind I once looked into this
It turns out that he's got a secret: He takes extensive notes on everything he studies
so the answers are largely a matter of copy-pasting from private notes, I think
Still impressive!
 
That does not baffle me less :D
 
12:15 AM
"looked into this"
Did you ask or...
 
No, I did some research.
 
Nice work Sherlock :P
 
What kind of research?
 
obe
@0celo7 What is your best answer on PSE?
 
Dunno.
 
obe
12:24 AM
Find one.
 
Why?
 
obe
I like reading them.
 
Uh
Read all of them then?
 
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Q: Hunting for the book THE PHYSICS OF CORRELATED ELECTRONS

Roger209I am just hunting for the book THE PHYSICS OF CORRELATED ELECTRONS by Hiroyuki Shiba. See here. I want to buy an English version of it. So where can I buy it?

 
obe
I've read 30 or so, only a few are really fun to read.
 
12:25 AM
^ on topic?
 
obe
@0celo7 I'm on ch10, it looks difficult.
 
@Danu How is that a secret?
I do that too. I have this monster SVN repo with "technical notes" on basically everything I've ever needed to understand since starting grad school.
 
@obe what chapter is that
the book is 500 miles away
and the pdf is uh, no clue
other OS for sure
 
obe
@0celo7 systems with n degrees of freedom.
 
12:29 AM
@obe that's good
you need to know tensor products of quantum states
 
obe
Which chapter is really difficult?
Excluding the last 3.
I guess it doesn't matter.
@0celo7 Did you do all the problems in the last few chapters?
They're hard to do, I did only 1 per chapter.
 
vzn
12:59 AM
@JohnDuffield thx for sharing that cool article. it appears that a single experiment that closes all loopholes simultaneously has never been constructed and experiments to close 1 or more at a time are extremely delicate. wondering, is nature telling us something?
ps caroline thompson was a real inspiration.
 
@ACuriousMind Many of his answer are like that: long, tedious and including much that is unnecessary to a more mature student of the discipline.
I would guess that he is learning and answers question on the bounds of his preparation as a way to encourage and focus that learning.
Not my cup of tea, but my position as a moderator has been that they are genuinely answers to the questions and are therefore good to go.
 
They do answer the question (at least the few I read).
Just...not in a way one can follow well, or that would advance any understanding, imo
 
@obe uh no
 
I wonder if other SEs dislike their HNQs as much as we do
 
1:17 AM
@ACuriousMind If we would soften the tone a little I'd reverse my vote, but he seems to feel strongly about it.
 
1:28 AM
damn that is a terrible answer
the fact that the OP accepted it just shows that the OP wanted blind reaffirmation of his/her viewpoint
 
...we're not talking about the lizard thing (which is what @dmckee replied to), are we? :D
 
nah the volunteer work for PhDs one
 
D'oh!
 
I have never met a grad student SO busy that they don't have time for volunteer work even once in a while
most of the grad students I know spend most of the time in the office on reddit or something anyways
 
I've seen a machinist tell a grad student that he's get right on that after the long weekend, when the same machinist had stayed late to help me out once.
Keeping on the good side of the support staff is useful.
 
1:31 AM
yeah
smart networking is important for a physics grad student too
idk why they think they're somehow more entitled to acting like immature children who don't want to do volunteer work now and then
and by "they" I just mean a select few
like the OP of that thread
most grad students I've met are more than willing to do the volunteer work
 
Well, I have seen workplaces that asked too much of one set of people, and the OP may have a legitimate complaint.
 
Sure I don't disagree there
 
It's jut that the response to that situation shouldn't be scorched earth.
 
but the accepted answer is just far too much of an ultimatum
yeah exactly
plus my department helps me out a lot
and others as well
so saying no to them would just be a dick move
 
Where I'm at now the informal duties are modest in scope and spread around pretty widely so I benefit from them in proportion to the hoops I have to jump. I am content.
Some places have been a little better others not quite so good.
 
1:41 AM
my group mate had this exact problem like a week ago when he was asked to be the guy who gets the pizzas for Friday HEPT talks
he didn't want to do it because he said it would be time consuming which is hard to believe
plus he gets to keep any extra money or pizza so it seems like a sweet deal haha
 
That's one I would have been happy to say yes to unless there was a pressing conflict. (After all you can't been down at the Pizza place at the same time as you are proctoring an exam.)
I did know one student who didn't want to have coffee duty because of a bad workplace experience.
 
that's definitely fair
 
@ACuriousMind "hnq?"
 
Hot Network Questions AKA the new user firehose.
 
user54412
I gladly picked up sandwiches for our weekly lunch talks. That way someone else could worry about getting the guest settled in and setting up the projector. Never met a projector I could call a friend.
 
user54412
1:47 AM
@dmckee Morning coffee is so important in my department grad students aren't trusted with it. You have to have a PhD to operate the machines.
 
As mentioned by someone on the Academia thread, driving a visitor to the airport not only counted for beanie point but was a chance to network like crazy.
@ChrisWhite This was on site at the accelerator where the only people around often enough to know how to work it were grad students and post docs.
And we did have an informal Coffee Working Group that prepared internal documents on the best practices of coffee making.
"Strong coffee can be thinned, but weak coffee is irrecoverable" and the like.
 
Why would you thin strong coffee?
 
@ACuriousMind Some people just aren't man enough for it. Or something.
I like mine so thick you can stand a spoon in it.
The point was that you can't please everyone right out of the pot, but if you make it strong everyone can please themselves.
 
must...resist...infantile...joke
 
user54412
@ACuriousMind Ha! At some point the Europeans in my department convinced the newcomers from Asia that espresso was regular coffee, and anything thinner was defective.
 
1:53 AM
@ChrisWhite Wait. It isn't?
My current place doesn't have communal coffee, thought there is talk of getting a Keurig on a "bring your own kcup" basis.
I'd pitch in to have it as an emergency back-up plan, but I'm keeping my own machine in my office.
 
user54412
I've seen that work at some places, as long as there's not bursty demand
 
user54412
We have an espresso machine throughout the day on a quarter-per-shot fee. There's now debate over whether or not it needs a frother too.
 
@ChrisWhite Decadence.
And cheep decadence at that.
 
user54412
My suggestion is that we find an undergrad classics major and hire them as a barista for certain hours of the day. Fancy coffee shop quality, and it would still be 1/10 the price I bet.
 
and it counts as job training
 
1:59 AM
One of the perks of working on Double Chooz was that office space on site at the plant included espresso vending machines that didn't charge at all.
The coffee(and milk for that matter) was reconstituted powder, but it had caffeine.
 
2:37 AM
@FenderLesPaul Serious? High energy physics has a lot of dogma? I never knew that......
@NeuroFuzzy you mean how he figured out newton mechanics is not testable? I have no idea, but physicists have kept inputting energy to electrons, and got results exactly contradicting newton mechanics. He probably referred to his modernism crap.
@FenderLesPaul would you mind tell me what exactly those dogmas are?
 
3:03 AM
SUSY
String theory
come to mind
 
quantum mechanics
 
The bit where they put a cat in a box. That's gotta be dogma for sure.
::rimshot:: I'll be here all week.
 
is QM even real?
quantum philosophy
quantum reality
quantum mutnauq
 
the bit where they say nature is random is dogma
that does not even make sense
if I throw a basketball, it won't tunnel across the universe
QM is a dogma
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3:18 AM
QM is catma
leaves
 
obe
Is it possible to take the direct product of a position and momentum eigenket of separate particles?
 
obe
$|x_1> \otimes |p_2>$, what does that represent?
 
@0celo7 You'll find that most people who work with QM all the time (as opposed to those who work on QM) subscribe to the "shut up and calculate" interpretation all week even if they noodle around with other ones on the weekends.
 
I philosophize in the shower
 
3:23 AM
That quantum mechanics is real and works just fine. It just doesn't answer any of the "interesting" questions.
 
"But what if this droplet is really a figment of my imagination?"
"What happens if I put condition then shampoo?"
 
@obe the combined system with one particle of definite position and the other of definite momentum...maybe
@dmckee I was joking
@dmckee "real"
QM is about as real as $\sqrt{-1}$
 
badumtish
 
obe
@0celo7 I think I missed this while reading but what is the difference between $\otimes$ and $\oplus$ for a quantum system?
 
@obe lol I was just wondering that
too tired to figure it out
 
obe
3:27 AM
I figured it out.
 
do tell
 
obe
The difference is that in the direct sum the dimensions of the two systems add, while in the other they multiply.
Though if they are infinite dimensional are they equivalent operations?
 
that is a mathematical difference
what is the physical difference
 
obe
It doesn't say here.
It doesn't satisfy closure right?
The physical difference is that the states can't be superimposed right?
 
obe
3:32 AM
Ok I see thanks.
I only read 50 pages today... fail.
 
I gotta say you learn physics differently from anyone I know
 
obe
How so?
 
no one I know would try to read even more than 10 pages of a physics text in a day
 
50 pages a day is insane
 
you can't learn anything if you read that much
unless you read literally non-stop
the entire day
 
obe
3:33 AM
I learned enough to be familiar with it, and do 1 exercise.
I spend a large fraction of the day.
 
whatever works for you man
 
obe
It doesn't work!
 
I'm just saying it's different from anyone I know
 
obe
@0celo7 Did like 30 pages of nakahara a day right?
 
like if I tried to read 50 pages of Peskin in a day I would definitely get checked into a hospital
for self-harm
 
3:35 AM
@obe yeah, I don't remember shit from that lol
well that's not entirely true
 
obe
I'm scared for university.
I don't even know how the lectures work.
or how I will be received by others.
 
presumably through amazon prime
 
obe
Am I eligible for it?
 
you'll get a free 6 months if you use your UofT account
 
hehe
 
obe
3:42 AM
The library already has like every book, I'll pass.
 
it's not the same as owning a book
 
obe
Furthermore I can extend my loans to 5 months.
 
you can't eat pistachios off of a library book
these things matter man
 
obe
You also can't put your face on it and sleep.
 
or can you...
 
3:45 AM
@obe don't ask stupid questions
contrary to popular belief, there is such a thing as a stupid question
 
obe
Do you believe that?
 
I believe I can fly
LaTeX your notes if possible
 
of course there are stupid questions
like: why are spacetimes with Cauchy surfaces homeomorphic to $\mathbb{R}\times \Sigma$
 
obe
I don't know at all.
 
it's a stupid question if you read HE
it's a theorem
 
3:49 AM
Sup yall
 
obe
@FenderLesPaul Does that mean I have to take notes?
 
Another thread on whether one can measure the one way speed of light
jeez
there are a million of these with the same answer everytime
 
obe
What if there are typed lecture notes by the instructor?
 
why can't people google cruel world
@obe presumably the instructor will go beyond that by talking about calculations or examples in class
which are worth taking notes of
and working through in detail later
 
obe
@FenderLesPaul Right I will.
 
3:53 AM
shoot I left my charger at home
 
obe
@0celo7 I think I'll be able to get you the BBS solution manual.
Will that cure your boredom?
 
ooooh
perhaps
I just have so many video games to play
and I get burned out on calculations from school work
 
Calculations are annoying
Esp if u aren't calculating the right thing
 
a hard day's work
boy I feel accomplished
 
 
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5:14 AM
@obe be sure to read with a pencil and paper: Do calculations, draw sketches, and take notes.
It looks like the volunteers are 3 point underdogs at home @0celo7
 
6:11 AM
11 days till the World Cup kicks off!
 
 
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8:27 AM
@DanielSank This is the music you listen to?
@ACuriousMind Very interesting discussion; I'd seen the question before this answer was posted
@FenderLesPaul TeX is life
@0celo7 But that doesn't really a why :P
 
 
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10:30 AM
NbRCe(?)ID 6

A recent issue of NewScientist brought me back to here:
http://www.independent.com/news/2013/apr/17/time-reborn/
which lead me to here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_dynamics
which lead me to here
http://inspirehep.net/search?ln=en&ln=en&p=find+a+smolin%2C+lee&of=hb&action_search=Search&sf=&so=d&rm=&rg=25&sc=0


I don't have the prerequiste to discuss this yet (as mentioned by Sleerach, Ocelo7 and Acuriousmind, I still have a lot of reading in GR to catch up)

however I am depositing this as a seed and see what discussion can come up that I might be ale to contribute or f
Lee Smolin and other people who worked on shape dynamics (if I understand the very breif outline in wikipedia correctly) seemed to be similar to something I have been working on as a personal hobby for 3 years
 
 
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11:33 AM
It would be nice if physicists could agree on nomenclature for forms, really
Also how bivectors and bitensors are totally unrelated :V
 
what is a bitensor, how to write one mathematically?
google search found nothing about it except mentioned
 
11:54 AM
A bitensor is a section of the cartesian product of tangent bundles
For instance $T_{ab}(x,y)$
 
Why do people insist on drawing multilinear maps
Also a spinor is not really a Möbius strip...
 
those one forms look like toast
Spinors as moebius strips is Duffield's calling card
 
Omg he's Duffield in disguise
 
Spinors are just sections of $C^4$
And their rotation groups looks like... $S^4$, I think?
$SL(2,C)$ is the moebius transformation, but that doesn't mean much
 
I am fully aware that a spinor is not a moebius strip, I should have put in the math expressio instead to minimize misconception

I have not drew a multilinear map in the picture, I only drew one forms and vectors
I should have put spinors as a math expression in stead of moebius strip taken from wikpedia because of laziness
 
12:03 PM
Those are just tensors lol
And tensors are multilinear maps
 
so a bitensor is a type of tensor, or something more exotic?
 
The other way around, actually
A tensor of rank 2 is a pullback on a bitensor
 
I've never seen bitensor used in any book
 
yeah it's not too common
It's mostly used in GR when you have to do regularization
Instead of doing the tensor field directly you take the bitensor in the coincidence limit ($x = y$)
 
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll3/Carroll_contents.html

Back in my GR course, I read this set of lecture notes, however I already forgot what a pullback is, so much for GR to me!

memory failure

Indeed, after this chem honours, I have heaps needed to catcch up in GR if I want to continue my investigation on nature of time
"Why do people insist on drawing multilinear maps" I am actually one of those people (because I am a visual person on steroids), except I have not showed it yet

I have an arrow like pics for matrix that so far seemed promising in deriving most of linear algebra results from, and checked by my friends and some professors (though they cautions about visualising such things). However a lot of things still remained to be ironed out in particular, it has issues computing eigenvalues and eigenvectors from it
The above is how I tend to see a tensor mathematically. I still remember I am completely confused back in my GR on not understanding what's happening until I read soem maths lecture that shows a tensor this way with its basis.

It is only then I realise tensor equations in physics are often written in terms of their components, and the basis elements are omitted
typo: The last beta_m is superscript
and duplicated \otimes by accident
@Slereah Do the basis ever played a role in tensor equations in GR? is this the reason why they are left out in the calculation?
 
12:28 PM
@vzn : yes, she was, but like Joy Christian, people called her a crackpot. I don't like to hear that kind of thing. Particularly from people who effectively say quantum physics surpasseth all human understanding.
 
12:40 PM
physics.stackexchange.com/questions/205640/… is this a 'good answer' I see it as a gap in maths, but I know how physicists feel about maths
 
@AlecTeal It's a fine answer, just the formatting irritates me - why the quote indentation by > for the examples? :P
 
It looked better than it all being white @ACuriousMind
 
12:57 PM
You know you're in a rough part of town when the basketball court has a barbed wire fence.
@AlecTeal wait till you find out how engineers feel about math
 
So on the note of maths, over the last 30 days I get about 1 or 2 downvotes a day (for the first 2 weeks, every day, after that they sort of forgot, until today, right after I showed up in chat) - I've got 28 without comment
 
@Alec Teal I think your answer is well informed on the possible cases of the pulsar question. However, IMO if after the limit discussion you refer back to the differential equation on how it applies, then it will be a perfect answer
 
I left that out on purpose @Secret because I think the pulsar was only an example, and I used a general function
On math.se quite often you get partial answers, or hints, or showing the lines and such. A lot of my downvotes are things that should have remained on zero. So now they're stuck at -1 forever :/
 
makes sense, I sometimes solve problems this way to give a global view

One thing I found hard in doing physics problems is using the correct assumption
I have 3 closed questions and 3 downvotes in a row 3 weeks ago that put me on the warning banner
in physics stack exchange
so you are not alone
But that's because I asked too many questions on trying to explain something to a layman with as little loss from rigor as possible (c.f. Higgs boson analogy as refraction of light)

It is one reason my question asking frequency has stalled on physics stack exchange, because I need to tihkn very hard on a question that won't downvote me further to troble
 
1:20 PM
@Secret 28 downvotes.
 
1:43 PM
@Secret GR tends to usually be more about tensor components or scalars, because that is what we measure
But basis are still important
 
I see...
 
The basic idea behind that formula is that a tensor is a mathematical object
A tensor is not its component, it's not a list of numbers
But you can contract it with basis elements to obtain scalars
and those are the components
 
this reminds me of $\langle\psi|H|\psi\rangle$ and an analoguous formula in linear algebra where you multiply a matrix with a basis vector to extract it's column vector component
 
Well Hilbert space vectors can be treated just like tensors
it is rarely done but the formalism exists
With Einstein notation and such
 
Then the indices I suppose will take on countably infinite or even a continuum of values?
for the hilbert space analogue?
 
1:53 PM
Yes.
But that doesn't change the notation
It is just that $f_i g^i$ will really mean $\int dx g(x) f(x)$, or whatever
 
I see, sounds more compact
about tensors, I also have another curiosity. What limits us to only two type of indices (contravarient and covariant)? Is it related to the notion of tensor contraction, thus only two types are sufficient?

I know upper indices transform as the inverse of the linear transformation (i.e. transform like a vector) and lower indices transform as the linear transformation (i.e. transform like a one form). But I am also aware of something called tensor densities (e.g. the levi citiva symbol) which transform as the +-det times the transformation rule for the underlying tensor looking thing as sai
 
There's a lot more types of indices in physics, but they usually go in pair
That's because what you have usually is a vector, and a linear function of that vector
And you have a theorem that states that the dual vector of a dual vector is a normal vector
 
^^
I think Wald shows that the cocotangent space is Isomorphic to the tangent space
 
Too bad my physics major structure have fill in the slots thus I cannot do differential geometry, thus my understanding on that is only fragmented...
I tend to self learn some of the exterior algebra stuff in my free time form wikipedia and some mathematics lecture notes I found on the internet, and as far I know, my understanding is half baked, for example:
 
Dude these pictures are meaningless
 
2:08 PM
I once asked my multivariable calculus professor ( who has some knowledge on exterior algebra
on whether it is sensible to define something that has properties of both a scalar and vector (as if putting two differen vector spaces together), he then said it migth not make sense
because
say if such thing is possible, then how would you handle the issue that division is defined on scalrs but undefined on vectors when you multiply two of these things together
 
Division is not "undefined" on vectors, it is just not defined.
 
Think of these operators as functions. Like f(x,y) = xy say.
 
You can define some operation and call it "division".
 
There is no division function for vectors (formally an operator is something like $\times:X\times Y\rightarrow Z$ to mean xy is an element of z.
 
For the final picture, it can be think of as stitching a bunch of vectors pointing in the x direction together along the y direction, but I don't know any sensible way to defined it mathematically or whether it will be useful.

My initial guess is I might be able to use the tensor product, which some sources said it is basically cartesian product restricted such that it obeys linearity, but cartesian product of scalars and vectors is just scalar multiplication, thus this approach does not work
 
2:15 PM
@Slereah I think that's called deWitt condensed notation
@0celo7 Well, there is the notation of division algebra. Only $\mathbb{R},\mathbb{C}$ and $\mathbb{H}$ exist over $\mathbb{R}$ (as finite-dimensional algebras)
 
I don't even know if such things (not the divison algebra above) are already there somewhere inthe math literaute because if it is, I don't know the term
 
@ACuriousMind I got the vision like a line between two dots. - Lil Wayne
 
@Secret This doesn't make any sense. The tensor product is not a restriction of a Cartesian product (it is larger than the Cartesian product!), and the Cartesian product of a space of scalars and a space of vectors is not scalar multipliciation (it's a vector space of one dimension more). It seems to me you should draw less pictures and focus on getting the terminology and formalism right, else no one knows what you are talking about.
 
@ACuriousMind BBS going well?
Oh, did you get the erratum list for it?
 
@ACuriousMind yeah dewitt uses it
 
2:24 PM
@Danu TeX is love, TeX is life
:p
 
I've seen it in Wald too, but he did the "private correspondance" move in the biblio
 
@ACuriousMind " It seems to me you should draw less pictures and focus on getting the terminology and formalism right, else no one knows what you are talking about."

OMG, it seems my usual way to handle tensor product back in my GR course is all wrong then (although for some reason my calculations still work when I did my assignments for unkwnoen reason (my misunderstanding will be shown later in latex))

I guess I have A LOT need to fix
 
private communication, not to appear (it's private).
"Private communication overheard in the mens' room at a recent conference, but we didn't see who it was because we didn't want to get up."
 
@0celo7 Didn't read much of it the last days. I'm lazy.
 
@ACuriousMind Same. I got the Tom Clancy Humble Bundle...
There is no way people can play Splinter Cell without getting any kills.
 
2:30 PM
Well, I decided to finally play through the Mass Effect series in one go. :D
 
I'm waiting for a sale on that.
$30 is too much.
 
I've noticed I say that a lot for things like games or clothes
"$30 is too much"
but I don't think twice about paying $50 for a textbook
that I then barely use
 
@ACuriousMind Do you play Splinter Cell?
 
@0celo7 Not until now
I.e. I might play it sometime, but I've no particular interest in it.
 
2:45 PM
Hallo ppls
 
hey
 
@ACuriousMind You should get the Humble Bundle then. They're really cheap now.
I thought Conviction was amazing. But then again a lot of people thought it ruined the series.
 
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