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vzn
12:00 AM
ps wondering, howd you choose your name?
 
occasional biscuit eater = obe
 
So does anybody know: is there a policy saying that resource recommendation questions are community wikis?
 
vzn
← also jimmy page fan gonna go see get led out
 
@TanMath They are usually made community wiki. I don't think it is a written policy.
 
@TanMath : Phys.SE only allows a limited number of res. recom. qs for various reasons, cf. several meta posts, e.g. they have no unique answers, they are primarily opinion-based, and they tend to be list of links. Res. recom. qs are easy to pose and easy to answer. For this reason it seems fair to make them CWs. It is much better (and more interesting for the reader to read) if you ask an actual physics question.
 
12:07 AM
@Qmechanic "It is much better (and more interesting for the reader to read) if you ask an actual physics question." So should I delete my question?
 
obe
@vzn Idk, random, though it's o.b.e.
 
@Qmechanic if it is a good question that people like, I ought to be able to get points for that..
 
obe
@vzn fine, the real reason is weird, do you want to know?
 
vzn
@obe yes!
 
@obe me too!
 
12:10 AM
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A: Good list, bad list

Manishearth See also: Why are "shopping list" questions bad?, http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/the-future-of-community-wiki/ TL;DR I do feel that our book/list policy can be revised. Not removed, but loosened up considerably. For book questions, this can be done by making sure that answers include...

 
and @vzn how did you get the name vzn?
 
vzn
@TanMath its a long story :)
 
@ACuriousMind you really like that song! lol
 
The ctrl-c had not worked correctly :P
Also, it's something of an inside joke, but none of the insiders are here currently
 
obe
@vzn I have synesthesia, and my favourite colour is blue. The letters that appear blue to me are o, r, b, e. I only chose 3 of those letters because the number 3 also appears blue to me. weird.
 
vzn
12:13 AM
@obe ok! obe also stands for "out of body experience"
 
obe
@vzn right, o.b.e's are cool.
 
@obe The question is now: What do you dislike about the "r" that you left it out, and not one of the other letters?
And why that particular ordering of o-b-e?
 
the other orderings had more complicated analytic continuations from Euclidean
walks out in shame
 
lol
I actually found that funny, is something wrong with me? :D
 
No :D
 
obe
12:17 AM
@ACuriousMind words have individual colours too, obe appeared more blue of other combinations.
I forgot to say "f", add f to o, r, b, e, f.
 
@obe Ah, I see (well, I don't see it, but it seems to make a kind of sense)
 
@obe your world must be so colorful..
 
obe
The details are redundant, though r, b, f are dark blue, and beside each other the word appears too dark.
 
@vzn tell us!
 
vzn
@TanMath lol maybe some day when am more famous :P (there are hints on my blog)
 
obe
12:21 AM
@ACuriousMind I can show you how it feels, imagine a foggy day outside.
 
@Qmechanic can you stop editing that question?!
 
obe
@ACuriousMind The fog then enters your head, and you can see it in your head now rather than outside, though you still feel it.
 
@vzn point out those hints please!
 
obe
@ACuriousMind Now, the fog can respond to things you see or think about by changing colour depending on what the object or thought is.
 
vzn
@TanMath think of it like easter egg hunt... hint: initials, lol :P
 
12:23 AM
And out of the fog it came
towering, frightening
...Snorlax
 
obe
This is not unique as its the most common form of synesthesia, some rare forms have blending of other senses such as touch or sound.
 
do you see musical notes in different colors?
 
obe
@FenderLesPaul That is my analogy of describing how it feels, someone else may tell you an entirely different occurrence.
 
my teacher mentioned this is a form of synesthesia
e.g. A is blue, C is green, F is red
 
@obe I can sort of imagine associating colors to objects inside my head, but I cannot imagine to automatically see that color when encountering the object/thought. You don't actively create the color, it's just there, right?
 
vzn
12:25 AM
they should try to do brain imaging on "synasthesiasts". it seems it would turn up something quantifiable. a great neurobiological study. also, the list of famous ppl with synasthesia would be quite interesting.
 
obe
@ACuriousMind It's always there, and invariant, involuntarily appearing.
 
vzn
also, wonder if some ppl "grow out of it". have hazy memories of something like it at times.
 
obe
@FenderLesPaul I see colours in sound though not individual notes.
Though for example, higher octaves appear more transparent than lower ones which are completely opaque.
 
That's pretty cool
 
obe
It bothers me though.
I refuse to use words of certain colours, that is why my sentences look weird sometimes.
I'd rather have bad english than a bad colour.
 
12:32 AM
It's not treatable?
 
obe
I don't think so.
 
@vzn recent research showed that most babies could have it but grow out of it later in life..
 
@obe Do poems look in any way special, or is the distribution of colours the same as in normal text?
 
obe
@ACuriousMind Hmm.
 
vzn
@TanMath huh! which makes one wonder if there is something "environmental" or "social" that could be a factor in "conditioning" it away.
 
obe
12:36 AM
@ACuriousMind Ideas and abstract objects also have colours, therefore words can be of some colour, though the idea or object that they represent can be a different colour.
 
vzn
@FenderLesPaul those who have or studiy it do not necessarily see it as "needing treatment". its thought to be mostly benign. maybe it can be explained in some strange evolutionary terms. like a neurological appendix so to speak? dont know. science barely recognized it until "recently" (last few decades) and (afaik) it was scientifically rejected for awhile. shows hows how science evolves. a paradigm shift within our generation.
 
obe
This bothers me the most, for example my existence appears blue to me, though my name is not.
 
@obe I imagine it feels...dissonant to use a word for a concept when the colours do not match
 
@vzn I just asked that because obe said it bothers him
 
obe
@ACuriousMind Right.
For example in this chat, none of your images match your colours, except for Qmechanic, HDE226868 and Slereah.
 
vzn
12:39 AM
@FenderLesPaul be careful how you interpret that. some weird noises or other sensations "bother" me or others too. but so what? its part of being human eh? synesthesiasts just seem to have different sensations. but maybe (conceivably) they are helpful or maybe even "adaptive" in some way.
 
Well there's a difference between being bothered by things you can eventually turn off or avoid
and something that's perpetually in your mind and you can't just shut off
 
obe
@FenderLesPaul This is the issue.
 
vzn
@FenderLesPaul by not using words that bother him, there is less of a bother, presumably.
swear words (some used in this room even!) "bother" some ppl. etc.
english language has a concept of "harsh words". etc.
 
@obe Okay, now I'm curious - what colour am I?
 
vzn
gray, lol
 
obe
12:44 AM
@ACuriousMind Your name has 3 words in it, you're not a single colour. Though your existence, separate from your name has a single colour. Which one do you want to hear?
 
@obe Tell me about my existence :)
 
obe
@ACuriousMind I can specify the exact colour, though it won't appear the same on your computer monitor because of differences, do you mind?
 
Give it in whatever format you like, I guess your sense for colours is finer than mine in any case
 
vzn
lol now reminds me of reading tarot cards, think this now seriously violates the ban on nonmainstream physics :P
 
obe
@ACuriousMind rgb(255, 253, 190). use this w3schools.com/tags/ref_colorpicker.asp
 
12:52 AM
@ACuriousMind you're red!
 
obe
@TanMath That is the preset colour, not his code.
 
Looks peach on my screen
peach/cream
 
obe
I wouldn't call it peach, that just shows how the colours appear differently on other monitors.
It's more light oak.
 
what am I?
 
obe
Hmm, @ACuriousMind Remember the colour of the skull on your profile image a long time ago?
That is your colour, approximately.
Sorry if you dislike it.
 
12:55 AM
I think it's really pretty!
 
@obe Yes, it looks somewhat like it
@obe I actually think it could've been much worse, it's nice :D
 
obe
Sorry, that is the reason why I don't tell people their colours.
 
I can see that "Sorry, you're shit brown" might not always go over well :D
 
obe
@FenderLesPaul You don't have a colour.
30% of things don't have colours.
 
Does that feel better or worse to you than things having colour you dislike?
 
obe
12:58 AM
Better, if there is no colour then I'm indifferent to that object.
@0celo7 is white, black, grey, or he doesn't have a colour.
 
vzn
@obe oops, stand corrected. not tarot cards but aura reading :P
 
obe
@ACuriousMind I also associate red, orange, yellow with you if you care.
 
@obe With my name or with my existence?
 
obe
With your name, and sort of existence.
That is because A, C, M are those colours, not in order, though barely red.
The skull.
I'm trying to figure that out, I've had a lot of coincidences before, though I can't tell if the first impression has an effect on the objects colour/aura.
Though those letters are still of that colour, regardless of the image.
 
1:04 AM
You mean that image @obe
 
obe
The skull.
 
obe
Yeah, that represents you well, and when I said orange I meant copper, sort of like your star wars robot image from before.
Though the colour of the skull almost completely blocks out the other colours for you.
 
obe
1:07 AM
A, C = colour of the skull. M is like the copper robot.
:D
Well I said a lot today in chat, I think that's all for me.
 
@obe It was quite interesting!
 
@obe yeah that was pretty cool stuff broski
 
obe
Are you guys content with your colours/lack of colour?
 
I think I like mine.
 
@obe certainly :)
 
obe
1:11 AM
@FenderLesPaul You told me your real name, your last name is green if you care.
Your existence and pse name are colourless and I am unable to decipher the colour of your first name though it has one.
 
@obe dude that's insanely cool
a nameless color
I really like the idea of that :)
 
Perhaps you're ultraviolet or infrared
 
obe
Do you know how your peripheral vision can detect more light than your central vision?
It's because of the structure of the eye and the placement of the cones and rods in the retina.
 
So you see the colour out of the corner of your eye, but when you try to look at it, it's gone?
 
obe
1:19 AM
If you look at the night sky, sometimes you can see stars in your peripheral vision, though when you turn to look at them, they dissapear because your central vision is insensitive to their light.
@ACuriousMind Exactly, though not my eye.
 
Your mind's eye, then, or how would you say it?
 
obe
That describes it.
Though some objects do not have any colour to begin with. @FenderLesPaul
@FenderLesPaul Do you have time to help me with relativity?
 
@obe yeah sure dude
 
obe
@FenderLesPaul Skype?
Reason: I don't want to defile the chat with (my) dumb ideas about relativity.
 
yeah sure
 
1:43 AM
I'll get on in a bit
 
2:18 AM
@0celo7 he went to bed
 
2:36 AM
HERE
ooh, @FenderLesPaul do I smell a stream
@DanielSank it was pretty crazy
 
@0celo7 Got to know some people?
 
@ACuriousMind yes
now I have to write an email to the librarian asking for Straumann
@ACuriousMind do you get a passcode to log into Springer with?
I have to get the links through the UTK library website
but his QFT book is not there, so I can't get the link
 
@0celo7 No, I can log in with my uni credentials via...Shibboleth, I think
I essentially just tell that website I'm a student here, and I get the pdfs
 
huh, school has not even started so I have not officially been told anything
or unofficially
@ACuriousMind physics.stackexchange.com/questions/200378/… lol, the answer is "QFT has stupidly large integrals"
 
2:53 AM
@0celo7 will you be streaming tomorrow? I can't watch today unfortunately because I have to learn a song
but I'd love to watch if you do so tomorrow :)
 
ok
did you help @obe
 
yay
yeah
 
@0celo7 I always amazes me how people can get hung up on such things...unless you're in the non-commuting case Qmechanic alludes to, who the hell cares where the damn $\mathrm{d}x$ stands?
 
@ACuriousMind I think in front is sensible but you'd likley get points taken off in a calc class
@FenderLesPaul you could learn the Skyrim theme song
 
haha I could try
but I mostly sing Simon and Garfunkle, Jeff Buckley, Ed Sheeran type stuff
idk if my voice has the power to sing Skyrim theme :p
fus ro daaah
 
3:06 AM
I still have no clue what the Skyrim theme says
 
haha same
 
3:26 AM
Hi pals.
 
hello
 
3:46 AM
@0celo7 As an undergrad I went through a phase in which I didn't write the $dx$'s at all.
I indicated the integration domain underneath the integral sign and stopped writing the $d$'s.
College is an experimental period in life.
 
4:04 AM
No one complained about that?
 
5:02 AM
@obe I do. I saw the '85 return of Halley's comet on a clear and very dark night, but even so saw it mostly with my peripheral vision. It was widely considered a disappointment.
 
 
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8:12 AM
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Q: How should one respond to ill-formed questions?

Kevin ZhouThere are a lot of questions that have totally incorrect premises, ask for "a formula" for something where no such formula exists (e.g. "given the gravitational acceleration, what is the formula for position?"), or don't even make syntactic sense. Several times, I've responded to these questions...

 
 
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11:33 AM
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Q: Why does the downvote still persist even after I removed my downvoted answer?

user36790I posted an answer to Why is any number divided by 0 is infinite?; it was rather too short, I confess [but correct], & this might prompted someone to downvote me; my rep got decreased by 2. Then I thought, why to waste my rep?? I deleted my answer. Then I saw, it was migrated to MSE. I thought ...

 
 
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12:39 PM
@Danu here we have Wet Savannah Animal answering a blatant homework-type question and he didn't put a vote in.
I don't know how to check for leave open votes.
 
1:25 PM
@0celo7 If you think someone is encouraging posts that have been ruled off-topic by the community (i.e. not a personal opinion) by answering them, the correct way to go is to flag them for moderator intervention. It's okay if you tell me about it too, but it's not like it's my place to "handle" this somehow (or decide to refrain from doing so)
@0celo7 You can go through his review activity.
He did not review this particular post.
Personally, I think his answer is well within bounds---he's not solving the problem for the guy, but trying to help him out nonetheless. I know that this is a delicate issue, though, so I won't argue too much with you if you disagree.
@DanielSank Well, nobody says you should write all forms with $\mathrm{d} $'s, or even could :P
 
1:51 PM
@Danu I thought you weren't supposed to provide any answer because it just encourages most posts of that sort (which is blatantly off-topic).
 
@0celo7 Yes, but we only delete explicit answers that solve the whole problem.
(We don't delete answers to other off-topic questions at all, mind you, although the "encouragment" reasoning would work for them, too)
 
2:14 PM
@ACuriousMind I see.
 
3:06 PM
The science tower is going well
I like that I have about the same height of GR, QM and math
Though apparently I need to buy a little more QM
 
Is that Euclidean Quantum Gravity any good?
 
the math section definitely needs a revision :-P
 
Why?
Is Steenrod any good?
I've been meaning to learn about fiber bundles more systematically, but it's so old.
 
Steenrod ain't bad but it is a bit old yeah
Also it is all math, no physics at all
No gauge shit in there
 
I understand that
 
3:16 PM
Euclidian Gravity I was a bit disappointed by
 
Rep Cap Take one throw-away answer to a pop-sci level question, stir in a dose of ``Hot questions sidebar (tm)'', and allow to rise on a warm counter under a damp tea towel. Bake overnight. Makes one serving.
 
It's not a "book" book
It's a compilation of papers
 
::sigh::
 
Speaking of
I forgot to include "Magic without magic" in the pile
(Another compilation of papers from friends of Wheeler)
(Don't let Duffield find out that I have a Wheeler book!)
 
@Slereah Your math books are not math books :P
 
3:18 PM
Yeah I don't have a lot of proper math books
Mostly just big reference books or basic introductions
 
@dmckee :( I hate that
 
Steenrod is not a math book?
 
Steenrod is one of the proper one I own
also "Theory and application of Matthieu functions"
Although it's a bit specific
Also the grey books are proper math
 
@dmckee how is that question not a duplicate of anything yet... btw
 
"American Mathematical Society Translations" books
 
3:19 PM
I have no idea.
 
(I got them because I was looking for a Kolmogorov paper)
 
It might be, but if so I'm not aware of it.
 
(And I can't read russian)
 
The Hot Network Questions are the enemy of this site. They lead to pop-sci being far more upvoted than actually interesting physics questions.
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Oh and The Undecidables and From Frege to Godel are also proper math books
They're paper compilations
Speaking of Duffield
I should buy MTW
 
3:26 PM
I've never seen a HNQ.
 
@0celo7 lol jk
 
HNQ?
 
Any highly upvoted answer of any of the hardcore users = HNQ
 
Oh
 
@Slereah Hot Network Question
That made me actually look back through my most highly upvoted answers ^^
I am waiting for this one to get to 20 :p
 
3:30 PM
How much would you pay for a vote
wink
 
lol
My life
 
@Danu I think this one wasn't hot.
 
u have no life
Poor bargain
 
@ACuriousMind you wish ;D
 
Look at the question, it only has 1000 views, and it is a year old
 
3:31 PM
What I wish is that they'd keep track of everything that has been a HNQ at some point, or even mark them or something
@ACuriousMind Idem for some HNQ answers of mine. Sorry! ;D
In all seriousness though, that may well be. But there's no evidence either way
 
That's indeed annoying
Can't be so difficult to set a flag for that, can it?
 
Yeah...
 
3:56 PM
A picture is worth a thousand words. But only before link rot! :(
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@Qmechanic SPAM :P
I flagged it; this should be removed.
 
hi, first time here, lol
 
@Secret Ello
 
@Qmechanic Images on stack.imgur (created through the upload dialogue) do not rot away, right?
 
@ACuriousMind : I think they do if they are not viewed/downloaded at least once every six month or so, but I'm not certain.
 
4:04 PM
sometimes I felt like I need to do something else to fix my bad question problems

this is because I have at least 3 questions (2 deleted by community) that are based on a very wrong premise and thus cannot be fixed by improving the question (since any improvement will necessary mean completely changing the question)

I am also doing some reading on the physics stack exchange question FAQ since I am so late at discovering that the multiverse is considered speculative thus off topic (which is how I cost myself one step closer to the question block 3 weeks ago in a deleted question by community)
 
@Qmechanic That would be bad since there are some answers that rely, for example, on Feynman diagrams, for which there is no way to include them into the post in another way
 
@ACuriousMind : I vaguely recall reading that imgur is suggested by SE as the best option.
 
@Qmechanic yeah, I was just going to point to that as an example of why text should by typed, not included as images. (Though one can always use SE imgur upload, which fixes that issue, technically)
@Qmechanic that's regular imgur AFAIK. SE imgur images are retained at least as long as the corresponding SE site exists. (I think.)
 
@DavidZ : Ah, good to know: I wrongly assumed that regular imgur and SE imgur were the same site.
 
Yeah, they're different: SE imgur upload uses the i.se.imgur.com domain, whereas the regular one is just i.imgur.com. They are controlled by the same company, same web service, etc., but SE definitely has a special arrangement of some kind for archiving of images on the se.imgur.com domain.
 
4:23 PM
@Danu To my knowledge I have not seen one.
@ACuriousMind I could downvote that if it would make you feel better.
 
@0celo7 :P
@0celo7 You also never look at the HNQ bar at all, right?
 
@ACuriousMind There's an HNQ bar?
@ACuriousMind Damn, I gave it +1 accidentally.
 
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/200635/am-i-attracting-pluto

example from the HNQ, lol
 
@0celo7 On the bottom right on your screen on the main site
 
@ACuriousMind TIL
 
4:33 PM
I have unilaterally closed and deleted the "link rot" question. It certainly predates our current homework policy, but in the rotted condition it was doing no one any good.
Anyway, that makes is a 10K only link now.
 
@ACuriousMind hi sorry for bothering, would you take a few second to visit my and our chat room

@dmckee I am pretty sure that will taught us to use imgur to host images from now on. 8D
 
@Secret Stack Exchange can host it's ow image at this point (a feature more than a year old now, I think) and the insert image tool copies them there. So that problem should be limited to only quite old questions.
 
@Secret What do you want to talk about?
 
::sigh:: 20 close votes already?
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Q: Do black holes have a puff pastry point?

JitterIf a person falls into a certain sized black hole they accelerate very fast, which increases the g forces on them. These g forces flatten the person out into a pancake. As the person falls further into the BH the acceleration is less even and they turn into spaghetti. Is there a puff pastry poin...

 
4:53 PM
@0celo7 Now I'm hungry
 
It is the best question
 
5:08 PM
@Danu At the time I was learning proper calculus and I stopped writing the $d$ because I realized it didn't mean anything. Then later when I learned about forms I started putting it in again because it did mean something.
 
5:34 PM
You can do like De Witt
And write integrals in Einstein notation
$f_i g^i = \int f(x) g(x)^\dagger dx$
Also $dx$ can indicate like
The measure
$dx$ is usually how the Lebesgue measure is denoted
Probably also a bunch of other measures, but I am not very good at measures
It's also good if you do physicist tricks with Riemann sums or Darboux sums or whatever
there are few things more powerful mathematically than physicist bullshit
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You can learn all about stochastic processes and Ito integrals and such, or you can do physicist bullshit by saying $(dx)^2 \propto dt$
 
5:51 PM
@Slereah : I'm not a fan of Wheeler. See stuff like this.
 
Nah, I'm good.
 
obe
@Slereah Is the minkowski metric a special case of the metric tensor?
 
@obe Yes, the Minkowski metric is a metric tensor, specifically the one that is constantly $\operatorname{diag}(-1,1,1,1)$ (or inverted signs)
 
It is.
It's the maximally symmetric metric of curvature 0!
It has many neat properties
 
obe
cool.
i'll learn about them I guess.
 
6:00 PM
Did you know that any spacetime with over 7 symmetries will automatically have all symmetries
There are no spacetimes with 8 distinct Killing vectors
7 symmetries is pretty rare, too
Mostly it's the Einstein universe and some pp-wave spacetimes
After that you go straight to the full 10 symmetries
 
When you say "symmetries", you mean Killing vectors, right?
 
yes
Well, linearly independant ones
 
Is the proof "straightforward" as in "All isometry algebras must be subalgebras of this one, and it doesn't have 8 or 9 dimensional subalgebras", or is it more convoluted?
 
I don't remember the proof
It's in the Stephani book
The Big Book of Spacetimes
ah, p. 161
Oh wait
It might not be as general as I thought
"Theorem 11.2 : The only Einstein spaces ($R_{ab} = \Lambda g_{ab}$) with a group of motions G_r, $r\geq 7$, are the spaces of constant curvature which admit a $G_10$"
"Further we can see that there are no spacetimes with a $G_r (r \geq 7)$ containing an electromagnetic field with $C=0$"
"The only possible metrics with exactly a $G_7$ are a perfect fluid solution with an $I_3$ of spatial rotations at each points, and a pure radiative solution with an $I_3$ generated by null rotations"
Now I am not exactly sure if that's true
Seems like it is, but it is not said in so many words
 
6:52 PM
So there is no general proof that G_8 is not a thing?
 
7:03 PM
@DanielSank ^^
@Slereah Or do it for Fourier transforms: $U^i f_i$ as the Fourier transform of $f$
 
works too!
@0celo7 not sure
The theorem doesn't have a name so I can't really search
I have never seen any spacetime with specifically 8 or 9 Killing vectors, that's for sure
 
The gravitational field is inhomogeneous space which is modelled as curved spacetime. The electromagnetic field is curved space.
 
hush, grown ups are talking
Stephani's book is nice but it's a bitch to look through
Especially if you're not an expert in spacetime classifications
I don't know too much about Petrov classifications
The theorem seems to apply to spacetimes with various sources
But I don't know if it applies to totally generic spacetimes
It's valid for vacuum, lambda terms, EM, perfect fluids and pure radiation
"The solutions with a maximal $G_7$ shown are the only possible ones."
Hm
I suspect it might be generally true, probably related to theorems like
A homogeneous spacetime is also isotropic and all
7 is probably the limit at which you can have a spacetime be not homogeneous in one coordinate
Let's see
3 rotations, 3 boosts, 4 translations
Well I guess you could construct a spacetime with 3 of each, but I don't know what that would do
mb that would be a good SE questions
 
Hm, the most powerful general result I can find is that the identity component of the isometry group of a Lorentzian manifold is the product of an Abelian, a compact, and a oscillator, Heisenberg or SL(2,R) group.
Alas, that doesn't say anything about the dimension
@Slereah Ask it!
 
7:20 PM
I am!
It is asked
 
A gravitational field is inhomogeneous space, not inhomogeneous spacetime. See this paper
 
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Q: Highest symmetric non-maximally symmetric spacetime

SlereahWhat is the highest number of symmetries (Killing vectors) that a spacetime can have without being maximally symmetric? From what I can see, it seems to be 7 (which includes the Einstein universe and some pp-wave spacetimes), but the theorems used (in chapter 11 and 12 of Stephani's "Exact Soluti...

That's one convoluted title
 
7:35 PM
@Slereah Why didn't you formulate it as an actual question, i.e. "What is the spacetime with the highest number of symmetries that is not maximally symmetric?"
 
Eh, it's fine
 
7:47 PM
@JohnDuffield paywall and I'm not in my dorm so I can't see if I have access
You should list the key points for those who can't access it.
 
Jesus christ is that still going on?
 
@FenderLesPaul yes because letting it go on untreated is dangerous
Either we don't understand GR or he is misinforming.
 
You can push a wall a million times but it still isn't going to budge
 
and you're wasting time
and energy
most importantly it is your time & energy that being wasted
 
-.-
You're giving up
He can be saved
 
7:59 PM
there is nothing to give up on
he is stubborn
 
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