The Periodic Table

6:44 AM

@chipbuster I am currently taking an organic chemistry class but only learned the basics till now..

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@HDE226868 No no, not at all. We're growing as a community. We have to have a certain perspective on questions that might seem uncomfortable for some people. I actually have to thank you for making me bring this up on meta. - @Martin & Friends co. inc. (All rights reversed)

Martin - マーチン

I agree with that assessment. Chemistry.se is still quite young and there are a few niches that we have not yet encountered - so in general it is a good thing when that happens.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Martin \o

Martin - マーチン

hey there...

I don't have much time today... we have a big firework coming up soon, so I have to get ready :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Martin after I close my drama show on meta I wanna write the all-in-one new-user guide.

@Martin-マーチン Tell me more.

Martin - マーチン

7:00 AM

I welcome that very much

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah, so we wouldn't have to link to zillion meta pages for those guys.

Hmm, but I'm gonna write it in a way that references them a lot. I mean, I don't wanna render those nice questions obsolete.

Martin - マーチン

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M like this suggestion: meta.chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/257/4945

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes. I have seen that, if it's Phillip's suggestion.

Martin - マーチン

it is

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm, now what topics should it be about?

Martin - マーチン

7:02 AM

if you decide to do this, tag it faq-proposed

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh I will.

Martin - マーチン

and i'll feature it then

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'll leave you a link japan-attractions.jp/festivals/mitokomon-festival

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm thinking MathJax, HW policy, some random useful stuff from sandbox . . .

I squint as soon as I see japan attractions.

Martin - マーチン

chat guide...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Ahan.

Martin - マーチン

7:04 AM

well that's what is going to happen tonight and for the rest of the weekend

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Martin-マーチン Now which one of those anime beauties is you?

Martin - マーチン

there is no fat white guy ;)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Fat white guys are always villains in anime. Not surprised you aren't participating in that poster.

Martin - マーチン

Haha, yeah that sound about right

anyway, I have to run...

enjoy the weekend and see you soon ;)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

CUL8r!

santiago

7:26 AM

hmmm wrote another answer, but discarded it...

\o

hi

How're you doing?

fair to so-so

u?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Meh.

santiago

7:30 AM

ditto

I seem to have lost my confidence when posting answers

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

My meta Q's hot, but I don't see your opinion there. ಠ_ಠ

santiago

my opinion is irrelevant ಠ_ಠ

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'LL DISSOLVE YOU IN ACID ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Go write an answer there.

NOW!

santiago

why?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Because I want to haz a lot of opinions, and you're like, the fifth current meta guy. So your opinion is needed.

santiago

7:35 AM

'needed'? that's funny

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That whole meta Q is funny.

santiago

I have not seen it to be honest (I don't think I have)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Go see it already!

santiago

I am looking at it now

I don't need to answer, my meagre opinion is already stated

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

At least comment DAMMIT!

santiago

7:44 AM

am upvoting

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Whatever.

santiago

why is it even remotely importnt for me to comment?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Because unicorns.

santiago

I see

heh, all of my 7 sites are above 200 rep

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Heh, all of my 16 sites are above 100 rep.

santiago

7:49 AM

you win

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No I don't. Only sites with more than 200 rep appear in the overall network rep.

santiago

ok

hmmm I may have a question...

About?

something chemical

O RLY?!

7:54 AM

yup

how does hydrogen peroxide preserve mushrooms?

pretty crap idea eh? @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What makes you say so?

santiago

not sure yet

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

How does not sure yet result in that conclusion?

santiago

8:19 AM

because unicorns

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

\o @Wild kitty!

@santiago well played.

santiago

here it be:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Huh?

santiago

laugh away - chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/34802/15489

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@santiago This is a homework question. We ‎have a policy which states that you should show your thoughts and/or efforts into solving the ‎problem. It'll make us certain that we aren't doing your homework for you. Otherwise, this ‎question may get closed.‎

santiago

8:29 AM

it ain't a homework question

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I know.

That's why I didn't comment.

santiago

clarified the question

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M okay....?

Wildcat

Hello!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You took that seriously didn't you?

@Wildcat Meow!

Wildcat

Bee... mushrooms...

santiago

8:35 AM

they are delicious

Wildcat

i don't eat them

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You eat mice with beer sauce?

santiago

thinking it may be a dumb question

Wildcat

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, nah. I like fish and real meat. Like pork. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

OMG so you're a puma!

Wildcat

8:50 AM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, nope.

I'm Prionailurus bengalensis euptilurus!

:D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh, you're Roman.

How many gladiators have you eaten?

Wildcat

:D

Amur leopard cat in English.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I blame Google translate.

Wildcat

A subspecie of

Leopard cat

The leopard cat (Prionailurus bengalensis) is a small wild cat of South and East Asia. Since 2002 it has been listed as Least Concern by IUCN as it is widely distributed but threatened by habitat loss and hunting in parts of its range. There are twelve leopard cat subspecies, which differ widely in appearance. The leopard cat's name is derived from the leopard-like spots prevalent in all subspecies, but its relation to the leopard is distant. The leopard cat subspecies P. b. bengalensis is the wild foundation stock of a hybrid domestic cat breed, the Bengal cat. == Characteristics == A leopard...

santiago

hmmm

not a good sign so far

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:56 AM

What's not a good sign so far?

santiago

might delete the question...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What question?

santiago

the one I wrote...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I downvoted it so you're tempted to delete.

santiago

not too sure... am not a chemist, so there is a limit to what I understand

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

9:08 AM

I don't think anyone except @ron is a human chemist here.

santiago

am still conscious of the fact that most of my answers are to homework questions

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Still conscious of the fact that you're taking stuff seriously.

santiago

no, just my contributions - of course, I am taking that very seriously, like to help the site, not hinder it

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm, there is a German SO proposal in Area51:

249

Stack Overflow (in German)

Proposed Q&A site for q&A site for German-speaking programming community (Fragen&Antworten Seite für deutschsprachige Programmierergesellschaft).

Currently in commitment.

santiago

9:35 AM

where is LordStryker nowadays?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Stryking some poor planet maybe.

I miss him alright.

Now that's one "dear diary" question.

santiago

eh?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

The most recent HW thingy.

santiago

needs to be closed and nuked

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Not if they respond to comments.

santiago

9:46 AM

whatever

santiago

9:58 AM

their comments are nonsensical

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@santiago They sound like a bot to me.

@santiago Question from the last paper.

santiago

or just a very lazy student

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

They seem to show the attempt, but they're clearly not a good writer.

santiago

I'll wait for an edit before I retract my closevote and consider reversing my downvote

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I didn't VTC as their question may get closed fast; before they actually respond sensibly.

But I'll VTC if four votes accumulate.

santiago

10:09 AM

i don't often greet anymore

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

ಠ_ಠ

santiago

my caution is surpassing my enthusiasm

Go take a nap.

uhuh

GO TAKE A NAP!

10:14 AM

no

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

> If this stuff - the questions, the community - if it starts to get to you that way, take a break. This should be fun; something you do for the love of the topic, of the profession, in hope of building resources that are better than the ones you had to learn from. If it isn't fun any more, stop doing it.

I had to take a break from SO years back for the same reason; I was starting to get really bitter about the people. You see too much crap, too many arguments about crap, too many folks saying things they can't take back over things that have no value.

santiago

i do not need a break

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Just saying.

That's from Shog.

You won't have fun unless you say so.

There's really no need to pretend. I sometimes get tired of SE too.

santiago

not pretending

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

K whatever.

Juuuust saying.

santiago

10:21 AM

am just trying to do my best

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

The thing is, I'm getting the feeling you're getting the feeling that others get the feeling you're not doing the best you can to help chem.SE, you're not editing/answering/reviewing properly, while this isn't the case at all.

santiago

several (and some repeated) concerns have been levelled at me (here in chat and in comments) - I have reflected on these and largely agree with the concerns and are taking a 'back seat'

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Martin I accepted the highest-voted answer (Ben's answer), which means those questions are off-topic unless they're worded in a way that makes them chemistry.

@santiago They have always been levelled at many people, including me. They're not frowns, just suggestions on how to do the job better.

santiago

repeated mentions indicated that I had not 'got it' - then it occurred to me, there are many, many people who do these things very well

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Who indicated that?

Reloads gun

I know even our @Martin doesn't do stuff perfect all the time.

santiago

10:36 AM

it does not really matter

what I am now comfortable doing is primarily the review queues, occasionally answering questions and even very occasionally, writing questions

but are no longer comfortable editing, and to a large extent flagging and greeting

Wildcat

the only thing I'm comfortable is doing nothing :D

and sleeping

santiago

I am referring to the site

I am debating whether or not I am comfortable with my contributions to chat

as for meta, I am not all that comfortable anymore

anyway

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

10:55 AM

@santiago Why? Have I failed in making it interesting?

santiago

I have nothing substatial to contribute

santiago

11:13 AM

I am going off chat temporarily, just for a while.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

K, but @san don't forget what I quoted above.

Apoorv

Hi :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hullo @Apo.

Apoorv

I was wondering why don't they generalize the definition of acidity of be a supply of positive charge

rather than being specific whether it is Hydronium, proton or withdrawing electron

This way we can prevent ambiguity, right?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

IIRC different theories exist because they had different applications or what.

Oh, lemme correct: They existed because each one of them is more convenient in explaining different phenomena.

@Apo think like "why is there both valence-bond theory, hybridization and MO theory."

@Apoorv I don't see any ambiguity.

Apoorv

11:24 AM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Structural theories are very different from each other but acid definitions are essentially the same..

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Apoorv That doesn't justify it.

Apoorv

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I mean when someone says acid, it isn't clear what acid are they talking about

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I think it's kinda clear.

It depends on who uttered it, in what context.

Apoorv

I think I have to read about why exactly the definitions were updated to understand it properly..

PH13

o/

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:27 AM

Do read!

Hullo base!

Wildcat

@PH13, \o

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

This is a link @PH13 would like to see. I have no further explanations.

PH13

there is this famous equation ... $n = \frac{m}{M}$ ... what is n called in english? Amount of substance? No easier way?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M this was a link, @PH13 has posted himself

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Huh. I was looking at where I had encountered it.

@PH13 Call it n.

Or number of moles or whatever.

PH13

I want to call it by name Q_Q

like two moles?

Wildcat

11:30 AM

:D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I wanna find and buy that book.

PH13

11:54 AM

@Apoorv my experience is, that if someone says "acid" a proton donator is meant. otherwise they would call it, e.g., Lewis-acid

PH13

12:04 PM

don't be quite now that I'm here (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Wildcat

@PH13, you lost the game. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 I'll be quiet MWAHHAHHAHHAHHAHA!

BTW @Wild kitty why don't you participate in Stack Overflow на русском?

Wildcat

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, you? quiet? is it possible? :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Wildcat Good question. Lemme think.

Wildcat

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, why should i? :O

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:07 PM

Why did you participate in Stack Overflow?

Wildcat

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, it was many years ago.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Like, 300 years ago.

PH13

300 cat years?=

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M teach me how to read

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 Do [so] and it becomes Stack Overflow.

Do [ru.so] and it becomes Stack Overflow на русском.

[jp.so]

Oh, it doesn't work yet.

Stack Overflow em Português

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I don't want to learn that .. I simply cannot read, teach me how to do that.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:13 PM

To read, press ctrl and r.

PH13

I will ctrl+r my weapon and then we will see ;)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Did you do it?

PH13

that's the equivalent for F5

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Now can you read?

PH13

nope

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:16 PM

You're broken.

Stack Overflow

most probably

@Wildcat See? Magic.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, certainly!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

In the main site's comments, [help] is a link for help center, [tour] is for tour, and [chat] is for chat.

It also works on meta.

chipbuster

2:37 PM

@Apoorv Lewis acids/bases are basically the same thing as electrophiles/nucleophiles

I had a professor who used to joke the difference between the two was if the smell of organic solvents was in the air

if yes, use the latter terminology. If no, use the former

PH13

^^

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

4:30 PM

I. AM. BACK!

Wildcat

4:44 PM

=O.O=

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

-O.O-

O.O

Loong

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah, @Wild kitty could bring a fresh insight to pest.SE.

(Pest == pets)

Wildcat

:D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

5:28 PM

\o @Todd

Eeeek.

Todd Minehardt

5:44 PM

hey @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - hi all!

how's your friday?

Wildcat

@ToddMinehardt, hi!

Todd Minehardt

hey @Wildcat - how's it going?

Wildcat

Is it Friday?! :O

Todd Minehardt

it's friday for me :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ToddMinehardt Fridays are weekend in Iran.

Wildcat

5:47 PM

@ToddMinehardt, well, I didn't notice that it is Friday, from which you can guess that I'm not totally fine. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

So I'm busy doing nothing.

Todd Minehardt

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - really? did not know that - is the weekend friday+saturday?

Wildcat

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, good man!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ToddMinehardt No, just Friday.

Wildcat

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, good [5.5.5.5]fenestrane, I mean. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

5:48 PM

@Wildcat I know, that classifies me as a classic chem.SE user.

Todd Minehardt

how's the heat there, @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - you getting any of that weather where you are?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That weather?

Todd Minehardt

the hot stuff - if i recall, you're not in the way of that heat wave rolling through the area...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Tabriz is supposed to be one of the coolest cities in Iran, yet I have trouble sleeping due to heat.

Todd Minehardt

i hear that - but i use heavy air conditioning in the summer

looks like your weather is like mine on the low end, but presently we're hitting 40 C or so on the high end

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

5:54 PM

@ToddMinehardt I bike a lot, so I don't feel the heat during the day. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

Todd Minehardt

perfect :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ToddMinehardt Ours hasn't hit 40 degrees yet.

Todd Minehardt

lucky - we're hitting that every day, the past week, and for the next week or so, if you believe the forecast...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I believe the forecast as much as I believe myself to be a human.

Todd Minehardt

hahaha

Mithoron

5:58 PM

Hi! It's quite hot here too.

Todd Minehardt

hey @Mithoron - where are you located?

i'm busy learning about Iran's geography :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ToddMinehardt Earth - Poland - a city - a neighborhood

Todd Minehardt

ah, i have relatives from Ludj

sorry, Lodz

Mithoron

Umm, you mean Łódź :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hear that @Mith? Embrace @Todd in tears.

Todd Minehardt

6:01 PM

yes, sorry @Mithoron - my maternal grandmother was from Lodz

never been

Mithoron

Three polish signs on 4 buhahaha ;)

Todd Minehardt

yeah, too many for my english keyboard :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ToddMinehardt Alternatively, I think you can use loads.

Todd Minehardt

really? Loads?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Theoretically.

Mithoron

6:04 PM

@ToddMinehardt Heh, you even could make them with alt?

Todd Minehardt

probably - i need to get the character mappings

unicode, no doubt

Ł

hmmm

Mithoron

Also never been there, heard it's not in great shape for a city ;)

Pronunciation seems more similar to woods ;)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Is it a jungle?

Todd Minehardt

that's what i understand re: pronunciation...

Mithoron

yeah corrected,

Todd Minehardt

6:11 PM

u0141

Ł

there we go :)

oops

i was saying, in an effort to appear multicultural, i not only have ties to Poland but also Iran :)

Wildcat

7:28 PM

The last message was posted 1 hour ago. :(

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:48 PM

@ToddMinehardt Do you also have a connection with Pirates of the Caribbean?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

9:05 PM

2 hours ago, by Wildcat

The last message was posted 1 hour ago. :(

Wildcat

:O

Mmm... New questions...

=^.^=

Todd Minehardt

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - not that i'm aware of :)

@Wildcat - you mean new lackluster questions :)

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