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Journeyman Geek

12:14 AM

I keep getting calls from a 1800 number to my google voice number. I looked it up and its a noted windows scam number so... meh

I MISS ALL THE FUN

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4:00 AM

The Earth's five major mass extinctions were the Posh Extinction, the Sporty Extinction, the Scary Extinction, the Ginger Extinction, and the Baby Extinction.

5 hours later…

Oliver Salzburg

8:46 AM

You guys know that keyboard layout switcher thingine on the Windows taskbar?

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It keeps disappearing for me whenever I focus a window on my secondary screen

Then it appears again when I focus a window on my primary screen

Can anyone offer a guess why? :P

@OliverSalzburg Program doesn't support IME? shrug

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Oliver Salzburg

9:06 AM

@Bob Good call, it's not related to the screen, it's the application I'm focusing ;D

I just remember seeing this before and I don't normally use multi-screen at home :P

Journeyman Geek

9:54 AM

engadget.com/2015/07/22/kotor-2-osx-linux-4k/…

I wonder if the PC version supports it ;p

@allquixotic ^

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1:10 PM

urgh puppet and nagios driving me a bit bonkers right now :(

1:35 PM

It's the end for emacs https://github.com/Fuco1/clippy.el http://t.co/MhsBKVlWRP

Tweeted by robstewartUK on July 22, 2015 at 8:57 AM

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1:51 PM

I'm trying to understand why emacs has a Clippy module, but I just can't wrap my head around it.

Journeyman Geek

and its not even april first

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Journeyman Geek

well played

haha

2:41 PM

@Bob lists.linuxcontainers.org/pipermail/lxc-users/2015-July/… if you're using lxc or lxd in any capacity, you have to care about this.

@allquixotic Hm.

I haven't set anything up yet (really should).

By the time I get around to it those fixes should be in.

I was playing around with screen readers today, to test our webapp.

The voices are... bad :(

I want the Cortana voice. Or the Google Now voice. Or Siri. They all sound decent.

updated packages are not yet available for Ubuntu 14.04.. hmmm

technically JMG could exploit that from puppy to gain access to the host :P

but he wouldn't.... would he?

btw @Bob, I fixed my problem with Windows Update not working. Apparently, either BITS implicitly, but not explicitly, depends on Network List Service, but I disabled that when I was tethering directly to my PC over USB because the Network Connections panel would freeze up for long periods of time otherwise.

o.O

How'd you figure that one out?

@Bob Attempting to start the Background Intelligent Transfer Service, um, service, was failing with an obscure error code. When I googled it, one of the first hits was someone complaining on MS Answers about getting that error code when they disable the Network List Service.

Ah.

2:51 PM

Funny that the Windows Update diag doesn't know to look for that.

Was anything actually logged?

@Bob In the event viewer, all it said was "BITS threw this error code and I don't know what it is! 80071238" (or whatever the number was; that's not it)

usually, when one service depends on another, it's listed as an explicit dependency, so that starting one service will start the other automatically

however, Network List is not a dependency of BITS in the service properties

but if you disable Network List, BITS breaks, and by extension, Windows Update breaks.

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this is from Win7, but the concept is the same

Nowhere in that list is the Network List Service. It almost seems like a bug.

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BITS literally can't even start with NLS disabled. I'm amazed that all the automatic whiz-bang troubleshooting stuff isn't able to check for NLS being disabled and either recommend a fix, or fix it, by enabling the service.

Should I report this to Microsoft?

@allquixotic Probably!

2:57 PM

I don't think it's unreasonable to disable the Network List Service, since the main thing that uses it, the Network Connections panel, can gracefully handle it being disabled (it just displays a message like, "The service required for this functionality is disabled.")

It might get fixed in a future Win10 update :P

And disabling that service is basically a workaround for a bug in the RNDIS stack somewhere

I turned it back on and am going to leave it on because now I tether via Ethernet to my always-on NUC running Mint, so I don't have the problem anymore with NLS

3:12 PM

Hm.

$30/month for 8 GB of LTE data...

3:24 PM

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Compared to home internet...

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:\

(On one hand, nice to see the faster than % dropping. On the other, sad because I don't think they'll ever roll out fibre here.)

@allquixotic What speeds do you get on LTE?

@Bob But isn't sydney a big city and all

3:41 PM

I was wondering if someone could tell me what I did wrong. I saw that displaying jQuery in the Firefox inspector has been supported for almost a year now, but when I inspect a button with jQuery attached to it, it still looks like this:
http://i.imgur.com/ryx7s43.png

4:08 PM

@Bob Where do I begin? It's all over the map. Driving down 695, I can sometimes pull in 50 Mbps, because I go up a hill and there's a major tower right there within line of sight. At home during prime time, I struggle to get 10 Mbps (though, it IS more or less symmetrical, thankfully). At home at 3-4 AM local time, I can get double that, but still nothing close to 50 Mbps (tower isn't line of sight).

At work I am fortunate if I get 0.5 Mbps down, 0.1 Mbps up.

Also, if I hold the phone up above my monitors and orient it just right, I can bump my speeds up by another 5 Mbps or so (at the cost of arm pain).

From my tests driving down the road in ideal conditions, I think I'm capable of drawing up to 50 Mbps down, 30 Mbps up from the towers, if carrier aggregation is in effect and there's no saturation on the tower and the signal strength is ideal.

At home during prime time, I lose a little due to mild tower saturation and a little because the signal is attenuated / higher noise ceiling.

At home late at night, the saturation problem goes away.

At work, I think the tower is ridiculously saturated (high population density, it's horrible even out in the parking lot) and I have horrible signal because I'm in a basement.

I feel quite happy now :) I just got an answer to a question, but yes, my employer will pay for computer based training for me :)

@Ariane What are you expecting the inspector to display? What is the extent of the jQuery support in Firefox Inspector? I'm honestly not clear on the feature or what it's supposed to do. Have you come across any screenshots online about this that show it working "properly"?

What I would suggest is that you test some other sites that also use jQuery and compare. Better yet, look on the Mozilla Wiki for documentation on the Inspector, and see if they link you to a site that uses jQuery that's a "representative example" of a site that can integrate with the feature.

@allquixotic blog.mozilla.org/hacks/files/2014/09/jQuery-events.png

Then work backwards to identify differences in the use of jQuery on your site, vs. on that representative example, once you get Inspector working in your Firefox with the sample.

Could be a version problem. Could be the way that jQuery is initialized on your site. Etc.

o_O wait... I clicked the wrong link or something

@allquixotic The first one is mine. The second one is Mozilla's, from the blog post where they said the feature was added

Well anyway I found out I can debug somewhat with Chrome debugger's Network tab, so there's that.

4:22 PM

@Ariane jsfiddle.net/simevidas/2Uf9c

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that's what I get in Firefox Developer Edition

do you get the same in your Firefox?

That's "the feature" (jQuery events) working, as far as I can tell - I'm not sure what doesn't work that's supposed to.

Nope, what I see is only one line

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When I expand the html to body to div, I see the jQuery click event that was added in that JS code

what version of FF do you have?

39

this is in Developer Edition 41.0a2... not sure if it's only enabled in dev edition?

That would be somewhat surprising. THey announced the feature coming out in FF 34, no mention of developer anythin

4:28 PM

@Ariane hmm - ok, can you click the "ev" next to the html/body/div element? the other lines that were displaying in my first screenshot are from my Firefox extensions (uBlock and LastPass)

see my most recent screenshot

inspect element on the "div" in the "Result" box, then go down past the html/body to the internal "div".

it's an iframe

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Works fine

I'll just pin it on how crappy this app is. Seriously, this might be the most unpleasant thing I've ever had to work on

Some ranting: To add a single product type, I needed to edit 18 files. Eighteen. Plus manually add a row to the MySQL DB. And it's still not working. And I can't find why because somehow stuff happens when I click a button that has no identifyable class and doesn't submit anything.

4:51 PM

Ugh. So it's not an app you developed?

Nope. I'm trying to add features and debug something I don't understand, that was visibly made by piling a huge number of code band-aids, etc. I won't complain because if not for this contract I wouldn't have work, but still, I really wish the programmer who made this made it in a way that other people would understand it. Or at least left some instructions.

Oh hey Clippy, I had forgotten it.

5:05 PM

^ This site needs to get out of beta ASAP.

There's loads of activity on this site.

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A: What would you say is the biggest problem Code Review is facing as a site as of June 2015?

Code Review is not graduated (Note: WIP) This site has become the pity-site - the site that is graduated, but is not graduated, it's big, but not big enough, it's a beta site, but it's too busy to fit with the beta logic. The biggest issue for Code Review is uncertainty. We can't attract more a...

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The same query on Web Applications yields less than 550 results

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Q: Graduation update: it's election season!

I'll start off by addressing the elephant in the room. It's been the better part of a year since the announcement that Code Review was graduating. In all those months, there haven't been any visible indications of change from us on the team. There are a few reasons for that, but they all come dow...

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Seems to be waiting on site design and branding.

@DragonLord IIRC it's significantly different enough from the standard SE model that it might never 'graduate'.

Same goes for PCCG.

Though that seems to have changed since I last looked at it...

@Ariane The debugger and breakpoints are your best friend :P

@Bob That woudl be if I knew where the function is... To add a breakpoint you need to go to the actual code file and know at which line to stop. But this app has its code all over the place.

5:21 PM

@Ariane You don't need the actual code file... break on the DOM change you're interested in, then go back through the call stack.

Or break on a network event.

(might need Firebug for that one)

@Bob That's even possible? Oo

basically you find the external behaviour, then you work backwards

@HackToHell ...and?

Sydney is a big city, yes. Also big as in one of the most sprawling cities in the world.

@Bob So it should be getting fiber and all before other cities

I understand the idea, but how do I do that, putting a breakpoint on something else than a JS codel ine?

If you include all regions loosely defined as 'Sydney', well, the population density is probably lower than some rural areas.

@HackToHell I believe they're mostly targeting the more remote areas first. Partially because the current gov believes ADSL speeds are "enough", such that there's a good chance we'll never get fibre.

5:24 PM

That sicks

@Ariane getfirebug.com/doc/breakpoints/demo.html

Even my current smallish town has fibre, the only problem is prices are too damn high

IIRC Firefox can natively break on DOM changes now.

Hm. Apparently IDRC.

@allquixotic I was holding the receiver up in my bedroom, with an okay-ish signal.

Need to try in LoS of a tower sometime.

@HackToHell It's no different here in New York City. FiOS is insanely expensive.

I'd pay double what fios normally charges if they would let me have it

5:28 PM

Fibre is not happening anytime soon for us.

Well thanks @Bob, I learned something good.

At most, we'll switch from this slow DSL connection to a faster cable Internet service.

My house already has the coax cabling required, so we should be able to self-install.

At this rate I might eventually end up like @allquixotic with mobile-only o.O

Or maybe just keep a mobile connection around for uploads.

Though I suppose cable is an option.

they really seem to have bungled the FiOS rollout

those who CAN get it, don't want it or can't afford it

those who want it, can't get it

At least our local cable ISP Time Warner Cable has a low-cost ($15/month) service that runs at 3/1 Mbps

...and even that is 4x as fast as what we currently have

5:32 PM

3/1? No.

omg

We're working with a connection that barely manages 768 Kbps downstream.

I've learned to hate this insanely slow service.

It used to be 2/1 before TWC rolled out their "Maxx" upgrade.

With my father getting into online gaming, it's becoming clear that our current Internet service is just not enough.

Optus offers 30/2 or 100/2.

Telstra offers 30 or 100 down, unspecified up.

That's ridiculous.

100/0, anyone?

Yes, faster options are available. TWC Extreme service is 50/5 at a regular rate of $58/month ($35/month for first 12 months)

I'll be closing this tab to focus on work now. Thanks for your help.

The fastest speed tier from TWC is 300/20.

5:39 PM

@DragonLord ...The 30/2 option is $75/month for metered (200 GB)

So, about 55 USD.

@Bob Well, that shows that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the lawn.

TWC service is unmetered.

Unmetered and you're looking at about $100

~75 USD

at 30/2

100/2 would be 125 AUD (90 USD)

But, still... 2Mbps upload is not enough dammit

Contrast fibre for those who can get it.

Optus offers 50/20 (up to 100/40) for $120/m unlimited

Our neighborhood has access to fibre. It's just too damn expensive for us.

TPG offers the same for $100/m

Well, it's not really fibre

Originally the plan was full FTTP.

Capable of 100/100 with potential upgrade to gigabit

Then gov change and now it's most likely FTTN with VDSL2 last-mile

that's where the 100/40 comes from.

so much for future-proofing

I really hope we can make the switch from DSL to cable soon...

5:46 PM

@DragonLord the entire point was a gov-planned infrastructure project so the individual does not have to bear the costs

a large infra project like this still works out cheaper than running each line one at a time

and it's great future-proofing for new technologies

assuming they don't gimp it like they did here

the problem with VDSL2 last-mile is the last-mile wiring is atrocious in many places

over half a century old

our one would drop even a basic ADSL connection after rain, though that was fixed by calling a tech out to change to a different pair from node to house

still, shows the poor state of the wiring in general

@DragonLord sounds like it'll be a big boost for you

All we have is ADSL right now and it's slow as heck.

would it cost more than your current DSL service?

Not really.

The cost is probably going to be the same.

...if not slightly less.

The biggest issue is switching email.

Jun 12 at 23:59, by DragonLord

Problem is that my parents' email is tied to the ISP so switching to a different ISP is going to require a massive email migration

the original FTTP was scheduled to begin construction in this area late-2014. now? they don't even have a listed time anymore. stuck in limbo, yay.

@DragonLord eww

that's also why I really want to switch my email to a domain I own

but I just can't find the time to do it

...doesn't help that I waste so much of it chatting here :P

I'm hoping to get my parents onto Yahoo Mail, like I've been using for the better part of a decade.

2 hours later…

7:55 PM

Hey, @Bob and @DragonLord, 'sup? :)

8:43 PM

*suddenly appears*

Hello, @allquixotic. :)

o/

Remember me? I'm the weirdo from yesterday. :P

I remember.

This is how chat "regulars" are born.

"The cat came back / He wouldn't stay away"

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Lol, is that a good thing or a bad thing? xD

And yeah I am a cat, after all. xP

8:45 PM

So am I, per my gravatar. A cat burrito, in fact.

And @JourneymanGeek is a dog. Westie-Schnauzer (slammed together, "wauzer").

Also, never ask Bob what the fox says.

Also, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing depends on whether you're willing to participate in our conversations about bad questions, headphones, GPUs, headphones, spam, headphones, computers, smartphones, headphones, and headphones. It's pretty important to be able to talk about headphones.

Obligatory link in case you've never discovered what the fox says.

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Q: Excel convert range to html? Excel 2010

----Update----- I un-deleted this thread to hopefully help someone else. I figured out a way around this. Instead of using a vba code to convert a selected range to html, i went an alternate route using formulas and one single vba code. First thing i did was make a Sheet5, then i took the raw ...

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would it be appropriate for me to move the OP's "answer" into a new answer (marking it CW)?

@ncdownpat The OP was active on the site 10 minutes ago. Better to ask him to answer his own question. Yes, that's completely possible.

I'd say if he were gone from Super User and inactive then it might make sense to add your own answer.

But if you can get him to put it in an answer himself, that would be preferable.

will do, thanks

@allquixotic: I dislike burritos, and yeah I can try but if I get bored I'm obviously not going to participate. Also, dafuq did I just watch? O_o

@SarahofGaia A bunch of Norwegian rock stars who came up with one of the most popular videos ever.

8:55 PM

I imagine... That was beautiful. x'D

Bob is a fox (per his gravatar), so he hates that video.

Lol, I take it one should reference it in as many situations as possible, then? xP

Hey, question: there such a thing as private chat, and if so mind if I ask you a question in one?

There is not a truly private chat on the Stack Exchange chat system. All chatrooms can be viewed by the general public. It's kind of a policy they have.

There are private chats elsewhere, of course, but not here.

Ah

What about PMing? Does that feature exist?

PMing would be the same as private chats, and it, also, does not exist. The closest thing we have to that, is that (I believe) site Moderators may email individual users. I am not a Moderator, though.

8:58 PM

ah

No worries, then. :)

I'll just ask here

If it's something you're OK with a few people seeing but not to be cached for eternity in Google's cache, you can just delete your post up to 2 minutes after you ask it, and it won't get cached.

Nah, I was more concerned about your and others' comfort level.

But it's fine. It's nothing you haven't mentioned (much) already on here.

Meh. I say all kinds of stuff here. Stuff I probably shouldn't say, but do anyway.

Okay

Well if you want me to not talk about something that I mention, just say the word, eh?

Sure!

9:00 PM

Excellent, and what is the word? ;)

Umm... Let's go with, ಠ_ಠ.

Nope.

This is the word.

I was close.

XD

Anyway, about that question I wanted to ask...

...Yeeeeeeeeeeeesssssss?

9:08 PM

Oops sorry

Lol

Here's my question:

When you say @Bob is a fox, @JourneymanGeek is a dog, and you are a cat, did you mean as in RPing? Spiritually? Not a big deal in my opinion no matter in what way you meant it. I'm just curious, that's all. ;)

And if it's none of my business, you can say that too :)

We don't seriously roleplay, and it's almost certainly not spiritual, but we do it kind of in jest. I've changed from being a cat to other things on occasion, but predominantly my gravatar has always been some kind of a cat. Bob was a cat at one point, too, but has mainly been a fox. JourneymanGeek, well... his pet dog in real life is a wauzer, so he takes actual pics of his dog and makes them his avatar.

We often joke about JourneymanGeek having difficulty typing with those paws, etc. So it kinda sprung from that.

Ah, I see. Alrighty. :)

Also, there was a joke that "cute fuzzy things" tend to win in the Moderator elections.

LMAO.

That's awesome.

It kinda worked out that way, since JourneymanGeek got elected.

9:10 PM

haha

Cool,

anyway I have a question about something else now

You know if it's possible at all to select fill colours in Excel 2013 by entering the colour hex values?

I can't figure it out

But it's so basic I find it hard to believe it's not an option

So far it only seems to support RGB or HSL.

Ahhhh, good question

BTW, here's a pic I whipped up a few years ago with the gravatars of some of our regulars replacing characters in the classic game Mortal Kombat, to represent our then "cat vs dog" rivalry:

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That was me (top left cat) and HackToHell (bottom left cat) vs. JourneymanGeek (top right dog) and Bob (bottom right fox - hey, foxes are canids too!)

As for setting colors in hex, I bet you'd have to have a VBA macro or .NET addin to support it...

That's a humourous image.

That sounds absurdly overcomplicated.

I hacked this together just now:

Sub foo()
Dim inp As String
inp = "f0a1cb"
Dim c As Range
Set c = Cells(1, 1)
Dim i As Interior
Set i = c.Interior
i.Color = RGB(CInt("&H" & Left(inp, 2)), CInt("&H" & Mid(inp, 3, 2)), CInt("&H" & Right(inp, 2)))


End Sub

I don't even understand any of that

Most software, whether online or offline, have hex input for colours. I can't believe MS Office doesn't have this... growl -_-

turn on Developer in the Ribbon, then go to Visual Basic, then paste that in, then expand it to accept the hex as input, maybe have an inputbox, then bind it to a macro hotkey.. not too horrible :)

@SarahofGaia yeah but it's not too hard to do

BRB, boss calling!

9:20 PM

k

I know next to nothing about macros

I know "macro" means "big" and that's about it. o////o

Anyway no worries I'm gonna go now. See ya another time possibly.

9:52 PM

@allquixotic I'd say Ylvis (I assume that's who you're talking about) are more comedian than rock star. :P

@MichaelFrank ;p

@allquixotic I don't know what this means.... .__.

10:09 PM

help

my PC keeps losting connection with the wifi and wont renember the password

hello??

whats the point of me explaining properly when everybody is lurking

ok Im never coming back here again

...And nothing of value was lost.

10:24 PM

@snipe You keep explaining an XY problem. Computers suck and i hate them, therefore how do i get them to cooperate. wheras the real problem is My name is john conner and all computers must die.

And that isnt going to work here at all.

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Ahh you can't make french toast in an american toaster.

10:47 PM

@allquixotic Wow... imagine if we had held our tongues for just 7 minutes months ago!

10:58 PM

@MichaelFrank IKR

Journeyman Geek

patience is a virtue. Its also a cardgame

@allquixotic I'm pretty sure damn my paws started when I got my current phone ;p

so its relatively recent ;p

11:13 PM

@allquixotic Another user lost to the depths of CPUthulhu.

Journeyman Geek

and meh, patience is a virtue. Its also a card game for 1.

@JourneymanGeek ...did you just say that twice? o.O

Journeyman Geek

I just woke up ;p

@SarahofGaia zzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZ (was asleep)

@allquixotic I owe you a !!foxno (if Cavil worked)

!!tell allquixotic foxno

damn

hehe

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Q: What makes the Visual Studio debugger stop evaluating a ToString override?

Environment: Visual Studio 2015 RTM. (I haven't tried older versions.) Recently, I've been debugging some of my Noda Time code, and I've noticed that when I've got a local variable of type NodaTime.Instant (one of the central struct types in Noda Time), the "Locals" and "Watch" windows don't app...

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Jon Skeet asks a question. Gets an answer from a MS employee :P

Journeyman Geek

11:33 PM

@snipe: chat isn't live support

It's at best rubber ducking unless you know someone is a subject matter 'expert'

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