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12:32 AM

I've gotta say, its nice to see the next 'generation' of P.SE close voters showing up.

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@gnat @durron597 I've now cast both types of dv on them. If gnat joins in with delete votes, either one will act upon it.

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12:54 AM

This is neat: Generating accessible music with Clojure and Overtone (and a primer in Music theory)

@gnat Not all of those are historical locks. And 2500 questions on nearly 10 million is a very small percentage.

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A significant portion of them are probably locked, rejected migrations.

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That said, @RobertHarvey this is a query to poke at: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/…

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(its my 'this may be a crap locked question' query)

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Note about half of those are from the code golf cleanup.

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1:13 AM

@overexchange your veering off in strange directions (and strange architecture questions too) can be discouraging to people trying to answer the question (10 link). If you are looking for a discussion or a mentor, the main site Q&A style may not be the best choice for the way to ask questions.

1:35 AM

hello

2:05 AM

'sup.

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9:13 AM

Software licensing questions should be on programmers or superuser, as per meta — RJFalconer 32 secs ago

9:42 AM

I wish software licensing questions weren't OT here.

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10:58 AM

@MetaFight chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/82473/…

@DavidPilkington The other site is called Programmers and if it is primarily opinion based for SO, it is very likely also primarily opinion based for Programmers. — Simon André Forsberg 41 secs ago

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12:28 PM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is about implementing a design pattern. Try programmers.stackexchange.com. — CodeCaster 16 secs ago

You ever have that feel that you are working for the wrong place, when you spend 2 weeks looking into an environment issue, only to discover that some @$$ hat either pointed the domain name on DNS to point to 5 different servers, or worse, that he gave the same IP address to 5 completely different servers

Its like this network was designed by interns from ITT Tech

Oh, hey maple_shaft, I can relate to that! :D

@MetaFight they're not, they just should be

@MetaFight There are now Open Source and Law Stack Exchanges.

~~I believe both are in public beta.~~ Looks like they are still in private beta. for now.

Go forth and spread the joy of licensing questions!

@JimmyHoffa Once Open Source and Law get off their feet and get their own moderators, we'll be revisiting that.

@maple_shaft at my last job, my team spent 2 days being given shit for a randomly intermittent issue in production we were tracking down - until we found out DBAs did an emergency fix for a stored procedure the weekend before without telling anybody, and that fix involved them nudging times by an hour where HOST_NAME() like '%something%' purposefully causing some machines to nudge that hour while machines with other names didn't.... DBAs on numerous occasions assured us the issue wasn't in the DB

12:44 PM

Ever since I moved and updated my address on LinkedIn and such to Cambridge, recruiters have been contacting me. There have been some interesting companies, but benefits packages out there are pretty terrible, especially considering the small salary increases. For me to give up the benefits I have now, I feel like places would need to almost double my salary.

In conclusion: If you or anyone you know ever tries to use HOST_NAME() in T-SQL, consider your moral obligation to inure them of their typing skills through whatever means necessary.

@ThomasOwens yeah, but they'd also need to have a moral compass that isn't always pointed at $$$. They're just trying to take advantage.

@JimmyHoffa Some are pretty legit companies, though.

@ThomasOwens of course, lots of legit companies take advantage of people

Of course, maybe I'm just more future thinking than a lot of people my age? I want the retirement plans and education benefits. So far, the number of companies I'd work at in the metro Boston area is 2. That includes my current company.

@ThomasOwens imagine you're more future thinking than a tenth of the people you're age; so rather regressive even. Those people making those calls only need to make 10 calls to find somebody who will turn a keyboard into profit for them while living in a closet and costing them less than the guy who waters their plants

12:48 PM

True. That's just disappointing, though.

I don't know if I'm more disappointed in the people who take those jobs for a quick buck or disappointed in companies for screwing over their employees in the long-term.

Feeling down? That'll teach you to talk with me. I win! Actually I blame the fact that I haven't had my coffee yet; brb

You know how people make redundancy plans by thinking of the "got hit by a bus" scenario? Well, I'm not planning my retirement because I intended to be that guy.

@MetaFight Can I call dibs on things that you currently own?

lol, things I "own"? Sure, go nuts.

I not only make redundancy plans regarding the guy that gets hit by the bus, but I make plans on how to capitalize on the guy getting hit by the bus who didn't plan for himself getting hit by the bus.

12:52 PM

nice

@MetaFight Are you Greek? Do you own like billions in debt and have no banks?

Because if so, antidibs on that.

I am not Greek :) I just get stressed the instant I own stuff.

I know I should invest my money in realestate... but that's stress. and I don't cope well with stress.

Speaking of investing, has anyone here used Acorns or something similar?

It rounds up your daily purchases and invests the "spare change". It only costs $1/month in fees.

You'd put in more than that rounding up spare changes.

I don't know what the tax implications are, though.

@maple_shaft that's what logging is for. You may have heard that it's there to help investigate prod issues but the real purpose is to enable you quickly redirect blame to where it belongs. Granted, it's easier said than done - in one of past projects it took us almost two years to tune logging report harm done from outside of the app, and I learned quite a bunch on coding tricks along the way (although the outcome of this monstrous effort was really worth it)

ah yes, I remembered to bring my french press into my new office today. Their swill is bleh. Mmm coffee

@MetaFight intended? You're a ghost??

1:02 PM

dang. I typed it therefore it must be true.

btw, I have a huge dong.

had*

@MetaFight apparently you're not doing too bad if you've learned you don't cope well with it and have developed coping mechanisms like renting-instead-of-buying. Jus' saying...

@JimmyHoffa yeah, I'm just gonna have to adult-up at some point and invest. Although I'm quite happy not having dependents, I still shouldn't block that option by being fiscally irresponsible.

@MetaFight meh, I'm with you. Stuff is more hassle than it's worth in most cases. Though a house is no necessity for a kid; we had my kid in apartments until he was 3.5 metric years when we could buy

If we didn't get a house I don't think he'd know any different. Parks and sidewalks on the other hand, those are a necessity for children (WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PITTSBURGH!?!)

Looking for some question downvotes: 1 2 3

@maple_shaft how's that thing I helped you with a few weeks back going?

@ThomasOwens do you have a few minutes to talk about STCI?

@durron597 I should. What's up?

1:10 PM

@ThomasOwens These tags are really hard, and they're not moving.

I know. I'm going to be going more at lunch. Maybe move on to other ones and save the hard ones for the end?

Not counting recruiting (which is gone), we've only closed 28 questions in the other tags in the status post.

Yeah. They are hard.

I could do 5-7 of the other questions in the tags we've done so far in the time it takes me to do 1-2 in these tags because I need to read and think.

@ThomasOwens I sort of agree. Or maybe say merge them into one post and say "edit these if you can, but we'll probably let the tag hang around".

A lot of times I open a question I think I'll be able to close and then realize it needs an edit

Plus, postponing the legal and licensing tags could allow Law and Open Source to go to public beta and have community mods.

Once they stand up, if they are healthy, we can open a meta discussion on making them off-topic and historical locking a whole bunch.

1:13 PM

I think software-patent could be synonymed into legal?

source-code is a much more robust tag than I thought it would be, too.

Perhaps. I'm going to unaccept the current answer. Let's collect all of the lawish, legalish, and licensing type tags into one.

Well, those first three tags are already in one answer.

True. Also, source-code only has 144 questions.

At least, 144 not-closed not-locked questions.

Oh, somebody added law when I wasn't paying attention.

Still, they should be back burnered or perhaps given their own meta post.

Yeah. We're just going to postpone that bunch. If I see any more law or legal or open source type tags, we'll group them toward the end.

1:16 PM

Also, when SO did the legal cleanup, they also cleaned up all the ones for individual license names, e.g. lgpl

Do you support making a separate meta post about these tags?

If you say yes, I'll make it now

Yes, but not now.

Only after Law and Open Source and in public beta and have community mods.

I want to bring them into the discussion.

Both appear to be healthy betas.

Well, the meta post would be written in a "let's discuss what to do" way instead of a "here's what we need to do " way

@JimmyHoffa that's reassuring :)

There's no point in having the discussion without the other site's mods. And they don't have mods yet.

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A: Software licensing questions from StackOverflow

Programmers regular, non-lawyer here, and the author of the Programmers Stack Exchange Licensing FAQ. The tl;dr of that FAQ is basically "Programmers are not lawyers, and therefore only questions that are common knowledge about how the licenses work are on topic on Programmers." As I am not a r...

ok.

1:19 PM

Plus, Law is a shakier beta than Open Source is so far.

I'd like a nice go-forward plan that involves the right people from all the right communities so we can give people a good experience.

@ThomasOwens that's because open source got a surge of license questions

I figure if at least Open Source has a strong beta and wouldn't mind being called out in our Help Center, then I would say we propose making all licensing questions off-topic and direct people there (like how we direct people to The Workplace or Stack Overflow for certain questions). Then, we can historical lock a bunch of old questions because that whole thing becomes not confusing.

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A: Structured Tag Cleanup Initiative Phase II

Postponed legal law copyright software-patent patents proprietary foss trademark eula terms-of-service gpl lgpl agpl mit-license bsd-license apache-license mpl ms-pl creative-commons Legal / licensing questions are generally difficult to clean up because some questions are legitimately on-to...

How's that edit?

Also, many questions in source-code appear good

Perfect.

@durron597 Yeah. It's just the tag that sucks.

Does Programmers have the thing where questions with only one tag mean that the tag gets removed?

@ThomasOwens I don't know what thing to which you refer, but I doubt it.

source code is full of questions like this one, which is really stupid but ultimately acceptable for progs

1:30 PM

For things like that, I'm going to copy-edit the question (including tags) and answers. If people want to down vote the question into oblivion, that's fine with me.

But the tag is still terrible and should probably be blacklisted since it's useless.

I actually don't agree, I mean, what else would you tag it?

The performance tag is OK.

Just remove the source-code tag.

I'd apply the code-formatting tag, too.

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A: Structured Tag Cleanup Initiative Phase II

source-code closed:no locked:no Most of the questions in this tag should not be closed; what the questions with this tag really need is editing and tag burnination. This tag doesn't add much value. There are already tags about more specific concepts within source code, such as code-quality, c...

> Most of the questions in this tag should not be closed; what the questions with this tag really need is editing and tag burnination.

Maybe by saying that up front, the tag can begin to move forward.

I think most of us are expecting that "working on STCI" means "close voting stuff"

@durron597 Where does that idea come from?

> Review the questions in the tag. Vote on the question and answers, make edits to improve them, edit the tag wikis, flag for immediate moderator attention or for moderator actions, and otherwise improve that corner of the site.

Cleaning a tag without closure is great.

@ThomasOwens Because closing stuff is easy and it was the right thing to do for the first few dozen tags, so it built habits.

> Moderators: there are 11 locked questions with this tag that need to be edited

1:36 PM

True, but I think the question is pretty clear. Cleanup doesn't mean closure. It does mean closing questions, but also voting and editing both questions and answers.

Well, it can't hurt to remind users in the answer.

Okay, so locked source-code questions brings me to the next thing I wanted to talk to you about, which is work-environment

Yeah. I'm having trouble coming up with new tags for some of them.

Is there a difference between development-environment and work-environment, as far as we are concerned?

I'm thinking no.

I have been retagging stuff to development-environment

I'm debating just doing a merge.

Is development-environment still slated for clean-up or did we finish that one yet?

I think that development-environment is a more specific tag

Regardless, it's not in any STCI post.

1:41 PM

I think that will be the temporary resolution. I'll merge work-environment and development-environment. If the question isn't about the development-environment but about a general work environment, then it's off-topic anyway and should be closed. That'll happen in a development-environment cleanup.

This one should not be development-environment management is acceptable, I suppose, for such a crap question.

This one shouldn't be, either. productivity is fine.

development environment would need a second pass/

But at least it would very quickly eliminate a bad and generally off-topic tag.

The other two that only have one tag, development-environment is distasteful but acceptable.

The final two locked questions have multiple tags so it can just be removed.

But then again, that takes time. I'll just merge them at lunch and handle dev-environment when we get to it.

@ThomasOwens Yeah. Can you retag the two I just linked or at least make a note to do so at lunch?

1:46 PM

Done.

Thanks

regarding that cleanup at Programmers you mentioned - I don't closely follow it, but per my observations it would be more accurate to say that leading these efforts is shared between moderators and active regulars. At the surface, it may even appear that mod involvement in there is quite limited (to find out that it ain't so, one needs to have an access to 10k-tools page over there and regularly check it) — gnat 23 hours ago

:)

Including the merge, btw.

@ThomasOwens ah crap we lost the tag wiki

Fortunately @gnat saved it

The work environment tag wiki doesn't apply to development environment without a lot of edits.

1:52 PM

You think?

> The environment in which software development happens. This includes the organization (supervisors, coworkers, and reports), hardware, software, and processes and methodologies. Questions are expected to be unique to software development and require the expertise of people with education or experience in the field of software development.

So it's a small edit.

> Questions about the environment in which software development happens. This includes the hardware, software, and processes and methodologies used. Questions are expected to be unique to software development and require the expertise of people with education or experience in the field of software development.

Note that it no longer includes the organization.

Okay, I suggested the edit.

I made the tag wiki summary already.

@ThomasOwens I'm happy for us to take licensing questions at Open Source, as long as they don't completely eclipse our other questions. How many do you get, roughly?

@ArtOfCode It comes and goes.

This answer links to several of the tags.

1:59 PM

Well as long as it's not huge numbers it'll be fine. We're still private at the moment, but expecting public reasonably soon.

Can't do anything until you're public.

I don't think we have tons of questions.

And we probably wouldn't migrate any.

Aye. As far as I can tell we'd be happy for them to be directed over, though.

- general workplace issues, office politics, and job hunting (check out The Workplace instead)
- implementation issues, such as code fixes (ask on Stack Overflow instead)
- {some one liner about what Open Source takes} (ask on Open Source instead)

Wow. That question I linked to here as "really stupid" got three upvotes after @ThomasOwens edited it.

Wow, k.

2:02 PM

Sounds good to me. Something like 'questions about licensing issues or about the licenses themselves' might work

Yeah. I'd propose "open source licenses or licensing issues (ask on Open Source instead)" with a link to Open Source's help/on-topic page.

That would cover it nicely.

@ThomasOwens Why did you mark that question as "status-completed"? I edited it to be about development-environment

Oh. I had it open and didn't see the edits. Originally it was about work-environment.

@ThomasOwens Sure, I wrote it :)

2:04 PM

I finished work-environment. I think it should stay that way and development-environment added to the STCI tracker.

@ThomasOwens Ok.

I'll stop touching it, then.

Geez. It's now gotten 4 upvotes since we edited it.

2:19 PM

> They're coming to get you, Barbara

Good catch-all warning

My new favorite hobby: Putting angostura bitters in absolutely everything sour.

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Bitters on ice cream and sorbet?

I think I have some of those. What should I put them in?

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@ThomasOwens read the label. Everything.

I never actually read the label...

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2:24 PM

Will add to bacon.

I'll just add it to everything. Literally everything I make will have it now.

@ThomasOwens It started with ginger beer for me, and quickly escalated. half'n'half iced tea and lemonade, splash in angostura bitters.

Speaking of beer...has anyone had Not Your Father's Root Beer yet? It's beer, but it tastes like root beer.

@ThomasOwens I almosted grabbed it the other day!

Should I have?

@JimmyHoffa Do you like root beer?

Like, the soda?

STCI Status: source-code 142 (tag burnination, not closure) / skills 22 / self-improvement 90 / payment 17 / pricing 27 / cost-estimation 21

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2:26 PM

Find me someone who doesn't like Root Beer. Honestly, how? That's stupid. Everyone likes Root Beer.

If you like root beer, then you will like this. Some people didn't even know it was alcoholic.

Sounds a little bit like mounting a fake academy award to an edsel hood.

@ThomasOwens nice, I'll have to grab it OMW home soon

weather's been quite hot lately so I grabbed corona and limes last time instead

Or "bonnet," for those of you across the pond.

Apparently, the craft beer stores here are having a hard time keeping it in stock.

2:29 PM

Why is it possible to build in visual studio with unresolved enum references?

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@JimmyHoffa Landshark tastes just as good as Corona but without the aftertaste of sweaty underwear.

@Snowman I may try that instead next time I want a Corona, though I rather like Corona so I may have different tastes than you in that regard heh

@JimmyHoffa That is most definitely false.

I know lots of people who don't like root beer.

@ThomasOwens Is it actual beer made with hopps etc. or is it root beer made in a way that makes it alcoholic?

@durron597 I think it's actual beer that's flavored to taste like root beer.

@ThomasOwens ah

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Looking for some question downvotes: 1 2 3

2:35 PM

Easy Star All-Stars - Dub Side of The Moon (full album)

awww yeah...

@durron597 lego people don't count. Also those aren't people; everyone likes Root Beer ergo if they don't, they aren't people.

@JimmyHoffa I like root beer. I just know lots of people that don't.

Not people.

Also almost no one knows of this tool or uses it, but I have found it unbelievably handy for years now - you should all install it and keep it on hand: legroom.net/software/uniextract

@JimmyHoffa Doesn't 7-Zip do that, except both ways?

safely from windows context menus attempts to extract all sorts of shit you normally wouldn't, MSIs, installshield exes, plus all kinds of stuff

2:42 PM

I thought that 7-Zip could open all of those.

@ThomasOwens Not even close. Also 7-zip is a bloated painful piece of crap with shitty UI dialogs. UniExtract has no UI, you just right click shit in windows and say uniextract it.

I like 7-Zip, though. :(

7zip is pfleh. I don't know why people still use it

or use it at all; it's marketed as so great but there's much better tooling

What's better?

I only install it when I absolutely must because someone demands I zip something with a password or some crap

@ThomasOwens UniExtract. Otherwise if you want to package stuff, that's built into windows...

2:45 PM

tar xvzf

also, why the hell is the rar format so freaking common

since most of the tools that use it are paid, when .zip is free

Zip is traditionally associated with Windows.

@RobertHarvey So? Use .tgz

@durron597 UniExtract will unrar for free without installing garbage

@JimmyHoffa I understand that, I'm talking about something different.

A Windows user wouldn't know a .tgz from a sed.

2:47 PM

@RobertHarvey But they would know rar?

@durron597 also because it just compresses better and has the ability to partial

Only because they have to.

but I agree - not good enough reasons.

Disk space is cheap, internet is fast. I rarely ever see rars anymore though...

rars were more common before torrents came along, and you had to split your episodes of Cheers up into small files to put them on Usenet.

the lengths we go to... I'm installing visual studio SDK just so I can unpackage and repackage this remove-and-sort-usings visual studio extension since it hasn't been updated in years and won't install on visual studio newer than 2010

just gotta change the supported SKUs to include 2013 I hope and then it should just work

2:51 PM

@JimmyHoffa who wrote the extension. your company?

Doesn't VS come with something like that out of the box?

@durron597 no, it's public

@RobertHarvey it does, but it only works in the code editor, I want to apply it to an entire project/solution so it iterates all the code files and does it to all of them

Oh, I see.

I used this extension years ago, but since it's been in disrepair I haven't been able to install it and do so... I figure I'll just fix the SKU myself, can't be that hard

it's public in the vstudio gallery

[Getting my popcorn while I wait for it to trash your project]

Make a backup first.

2:55 PM

@ThomasOwens Do you think software should be in STCI? If yes, should we add it to one of the existing answers or give it it's own answer?

@durron597 Probably. There may be a good answer that it would be a part of.

@ThomasOwens There's general-development, source-code, ... that's basically it.

@Ixrec are you around?

Yeah. Add it to that one.

which one, those are two different ones.

Oh. source-code.

2:58 PM

@ThomasOwens Can you delete this answer? I'm merging it with the legal post

Done.

Flagged it.

@ThomasOwens ty

Any ZeroMQ gurus around?

I've got to publish events out when certain entities are created by one of my webservices. I was originally going to use RabbitMQ to do this but the boss wants ZeroMQ. I just wrote a PoC and it works like a charm. I'm just wondering if there's any downside to have the Publisher in my pub/sub setup only live for very short periods of time (less than a second).

@MetaFight no, and the peaking I did gave me the inclination that 0MQ is in the class of tools that create problems rather than solving them

The most ridiculous offender of all is the sudoers man page, which for 15 years has started with a 'quick guide' to EBNF, a system for defining the grammar of a language. 'Don't despair', it says, 'the definitions below are annotated.'

@MetaFight The whole point of a message queue system is to decouple the publishers and subscribers and allow them to come and go (intentionally or not).

3:04 PM

Well, the cockiness of the stale documentation is already a troubling point.

/// <summary>
/// Used in compiling wf code
/// </summary>
internal class AcceptableNotImplementedException : NotImplementedException
{
}

@MetaFight 0MQ is a completely different ball of wax than RabbitMQ

but, unfortunately, it's become the de facto MQ technology over here.

Note that my experience is with JMS (OpenMQ and ActiveMQ). But I think the concept is the same. The ZeroMQ broker should live on and the broker configuration and arguments to message publication should determine how to live.

RabbitMQ, ActiveMQ, and most other MQ systems are MQ services that operate across a network. ZeroMQ appears to be a framework for building an MQ service that does whatever you program it to do....

3:05 PM

@ThomasOwens yes, I realise this.

ZeroMQ wins all the benchmark comparisons so people choose it based solely on that, but it doesn't actually do anything so yeah, of course it wins. Last I checked it's not even an executable and doesn't provide networking facilities..

@ThomasOwens from what I can tell there is no broker

@MetaFight yeah. It's sort of a DIY kit for making your own. Which is stupid. Your boss chose it because it wins the benchmarks didn't he?

I wanted RabbitMQ because it had a broker. My webservice would pass it a message and that was then end of that. With ZeroMQ it's different. I open a socket in "publish" mode and just send data willy nilly. If subscribers are around they seem to get the data. If not, they don't.

@MetaFight Wait...what?

That's...not cool.

So it's not really a message queue?

3:08 PM

@ThomasOwens ZeroMQ is not the same thing as Active/Rabbit/MS/WhateverMQ

@JimmyHoffa He chose it because another team is using it. And they're using it because they stream a lot of data and need it to be as fast as possible.

@JimmyHoffa Why does it have the same naming style, then?

That's confusing.

@ThomasOwens it's C++, confused is the dev's stable state

So it's not really a message queue at all. It's a framework?

exactly.

3:10 PM

@ThomasOwens that's my understanding.

a very cocky framework.

I guess the name "ZeroMQ" makes sense. There are 0 message queues.

@JimmyHoffa I just looked at the sudoers man page. egads

The lack of broker is not a big deal my case. My messages are time sensitive, so if my subscriber happens to be rebooting there's no reason for it to go over the messages that were sent in its absence.

@durron597 it's totally fine, EBNF is easy...

3:19 PM

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dang. ZeroMQ won't work without some ugly hacking. If I open up a ZeroMQ context and socket just to publish a single message that doesn't give the subscribers enough time to notice and automatically reconnect. fudge.

Alright. Aren't you supposed to be able to navigate between types in different projects if they're in the same solution? I keep getting metadata references, not the actual types.

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Zmq is used for things like "hey I'm looking for a webcam on the local net" messages.

uh oh. Your project reference are actually pointing to DLLs then. Not actual csprojs.

if you have project references, yes.

with dll references, it's not guaranteed.

3:24 PM

And if someone could recommend any good tags, I was struggling with how to categorize this question. — IQAndreas Jan 21 '14 at 5:13

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It's a protocol / framework most often used for finding things on the local net and talking to them.

it's not what I need.

time for another awkward chat with the boss.

@MetaFight That's absolutely right. How do I switch them back to real references, and does the world end if I do that?

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Consider the days before when you had a net accessible camera. Configuration was a pain. Now, it's less so. But is. It the "guaranteed delivery and routing message queue "

generally, remove the dll reference, add references, select project, pick the ones you need from the sln. And depending on how nested/terrible your dependency graph is, it may end the world.

it tends to involve a few hours of "compile, fix errors, repeat"

3:28 PM

Can a 10k check for me if this question entered the review queue?

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No one has done a review on it yet.

@RobertHarvey what Telly said.

@durron597 it's in there

@ratchetfreak I'm surprised it hasn't appeared for anyone in the last two days

I was noticing that some open-source questions weren't entering the queue on Stack Overflow too, I wonder if it's a bug of some kind

@ratchetfreak Can you link me to the review task?

@durron597 programmers.stackexchange.com/review/close/109457

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3:33 PM

There are likely in the queue, it's just no one has done a review on it because the queue is backed up.

37 items in the queue

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57 outstanding tasks.

Ah. I only see 5 tasks

@ratchetfreak I wouldn't have mentioned it if I hadn't seen something similar over the weekend on SO. Ok, I guess I was just incorrect. Thanks

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I have 22 more and I'm out of them today.

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@MichaelT I don't find anything wrong with that providing the answer back up their opinion with an explanation of why that is the case. Which in this case, the answerer did. :) — Rachel 5 mins ago

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3:40 PM

"I come from a perl background and if ($foo) next; is perfectly acceptable." --- "I come from a Java background and we have a strict style guide. You always need braces and simple if statements are forbidden" --- "I come from a lisp background and such questions are meaningless". In order to avoid it getting closed again (it has 3 close votes as of this writing), the question needs to be modified so that those examples are not acceptable. This may invalidate existing answers. — MichaelT 58 secs ago

@MichaelT Downvoted.

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Have you voted on round two of closing?

@MichaelT Out.

I'll try to remember to do so tomorrow

You should check Programmers.SE. I think it would be on topic there but check their requirements first. — JasonMArcher 57 secs ago

alright, let's see if my repackaged remove and sort usings actually does what I expect..

3:54 PM

ReSharper seems to be able to punch through the metadata and give me an actual dependency graph.

Good question, though it's primarily opinion based and will probably be closed. Might be a better fit for programmers.stackexchange.com — Patrick Quirk 33 secs ago

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Q: Why design pattern is not named as implementation pattern?

I find that most of the design patterns are concerned with implementation of a model like mvc, or how to change the implementation with less cost. These are all happened in the implementation phase of a software. So why not call them implementation patterns?

design-patterns terminology

"Because implementation is the output of a compiler or interpreter."

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@MichaelT I added a close vote to round two.

@Kezza this question could be on topic on Programmers, but it would not survive in it's current form, because as written it is too opinion based. I recommend deleting the question here, and in the new version use language more like "what problems could arise by giving the team responsibility?" and less like "I would like some unbiased opinions", as the former is answerable but the latter is a poll, which is frowned upon. — durron597 36 secs ago

@Snowman that SVN question would be fine here, no?

@ThomasOwens Yeah that's crap but it's better to be tagged that way than to be tagged software

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4:00 PM

@durron597 I just added a comment. I think it would be: while there is opinion involved, I think a group of experts would agree on the right approach. The only question is whether it would be a duplicate or not.

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it should be migrated to Programmers.SE, except that it would be closed as a duplicate over there of Is it good idea to require to commit only working code? — durron597 46 secs ago

@Snowman How's that

user114359

Good, although I think the official answer (with which I disagree) is to migrate then close.

4:25 PM

Well, it's been fun, but I guess this means it's time to close up shop

So long and thanks for all the fish!

Every single one of his examples is from 2012 or earlier.

I could bitchslap his article to tears but I don't feel like registering on medium.com to do so.

Don't you understand?

he wrote an article. on the internet.

It's final man.

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

@Ampt Duty calls.

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

4:41 PM

Is anyone familiar with XToolkit versus MToolkit and what makes Xming fail with XToolkit and not MToolkit, sometimes?

@ThomasOwens What error are you getting?

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Q: Problem with remoted display of java applications

I'm trying to remote display Java based development environments, such as NetBeans and IntelliJ, from a linux machine to a windows machine. When I do this, the right click functionality of the environments does not work, which makes them unusable. I use the -X option with Putty to tunnel X th...

windows linux java xorg xming

that sites web design is awful too

@durron597 Good question. They are using it in a secure environment that I'm not able to access. In a rewrite of an application, JDialogs aren't showing up. I had them force the use of MToolkit and the problem went away.

I saw that specific post and told them what to do to switch and it resolved the issue. But no one knows why the old application worked and the new one doesn't.

I do know that Exceed works just find with XToolkit. I'm betting that maybe XMing may not be the most recent version.

It's a good thing you're still on Java 6 according to what I've read about this

I'm wondering if they are also running an old XMing.

4:49 PM

@ThomasOwens the front page is really polluted with crap now and it appears most of us are out of CVs. can haz halp plz?

wow, creating visual studio extensions couldn't be a worse experience...

these things are a wreck, I feel like I'm back in MFC

yeah the visual studio extension stuff is so poorly documented

(I halfway am, it makes you reference old header files and use their arcane defines in some XML structure)

it's amazing stuff like resharper was created at all

@whatsisname addins aren't bad I understand, it's extensions that are wrecked

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