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Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
1:54 AM

User Interface Developer

MXM

angularjsjqueryhtml5javascript

MXM (mxm.com), is seeking an exceptional User Interface Developer who specializes in user interface architecture…

Posted on Stack Overflow Careers on March 31, 2015

> Author complex "web 2.0" user interfaces using DHTML (XHTML, CSS, JavaScript, DOM, AJAX, JSON)
Wut?
Tag says HTML5, but description says XHTML. Does anyone even write apps in that anymore?
 
Abhimanyu Aryan
Abhimanyu Aryan
2:17 AM
I would have asked this question on quora but then felt that here I might find more experienced programmers who themselves have gone though this problem at some point of time during there learning process. Please take some time to read this lengthy question and guide me like little kid stuck out in middle of ocean.

I am a computer science undergraduate. I didn't had much of knowledge of computers before I stepped into computer science. I basically don't like studying math, science and other subjects after high school because till class 12th I have studied enough science and math to be awar…
 
user15026
Well, probably not every technology ever, for one.
 
user15026
Just sayin'.
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
Calculus is useful, especially the core concepts of how slopes relate to curves relate to areas.
 
user20683
@HELPPLZ you won't learn everything in a bachelor's degree. A graduate level degree can (not always) hurt your employment prospects in the video games industry in particular
 
user20683
game dev is very math intensive
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
2:24 AM
Curiosity does not beat experience.
 
user15026
Also, as a general rule, learning everything ever is not the best choice. Pick a handful of things and stick with them so you can say "I am really good at x,y,z" and be able to back it up.
 
HELP PLZ
HELP PLZ
I don't have math phobia I did little of directx programming and i find math used there is very normal basic vector and trigo which i already studied in high school
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
@HELPPLZ I don't understand your question at all. You start out by saying you're done learning because you already know enough, your teachers are idiots, Zuckerberg just got lucky, and then ask if PhD is specialized? Of course it is; that's how PhD's work.
 
user20683
we aren't a life oracle service
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
Programming is about solving problems. Knowing math (and history, different spoken languages, social sciences, physical sciences....) all are tools for problem solving.
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
2:26 AM
And you do have to have some intellectual curiosity. You won't last long in programming if that's already gone.
 
user20683
you won't last long generally in the STEM disciplines with that gone
 
user15026
"Internet is surely connecting but facebook is not connection the world" - well....as much as you might not like it.....it's kinda connecting the world.
 
user15026
Perhaps not in a way you prefer, but it is doing pretty well at what it says on the tin.
 
user20683
there's a tendency in many engineers to show disdain for management. The sooner you bury this and learn how to work with them, the easier your life will be the more freedom you'll get; since you'll be able to read good managers from bad ones and find the good ones.
 
HELP PLZ
HELP PLZ
Thanks a lot all of you...So, found out basically I should concentrate on just game development. Be nice at C++/DirectX(my choice for developing games) .
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
2:33 AM
...
 
user20683
@HELPPLZ if game dev is what you want to do, get really good at it
 
HELP PLZ
HELP PLZ
Ok
I don't have much of gaming industries India. So, should I move to place where i find people with my interest after graduation?
@WorldEngineer
 
user15026
@HELPPLZ If you have a job, maybe.
 
user20683
@HELPPLZ moving to a foreign country without a work visa or a job offer is...unwise.
 
user15026
Like I wouldn't advise hopping to a different country with no way to support yourself. (Chances are, if you try, they won't let you in anyhow.)
 
user15026
2:37 AM
Least, they wouldn't here.
 
user20683
nor here
 
user20683
you'd need an H1-B or a TN
 
HELP PLZ
HELP PLZ
getting visa & job is not difficult i guess. I have see people moving to other counties without any talent. They just migrate. But in my case i'll be really good at what I do. May be I can apply for an intership
 
user15026
@HELPPLZ Harder than you'd think.
 
HELP PLZ
HELP PLZ
I know about visa process other things my sister is in London. She says for talented people its very easy.
 
user15026
2:39 AM
Well, whatever you think is best, then.
 
HELP PLZ
HELP PLZ
Thanks everyone :) for all the suggestions
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Um, what just happened?
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
We were very helpful.
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
"Everyone but me is an idiot" ==> game development?
 
user20683
@RobertHarvey I did the thing I usually do: pick something that I can answer out of an incoherent mess. Even if that answer is not helpful in the slightest.
 
user20683
2:46 AM
Seriously, some of my best answers are "your question is ill formed but I'll answer what I think your question should be"
 
user15026
@RobertHarvey Okay good, I am not the only one that feels that way.
 
StackMonkey
StackMonkey
5:13 AM
@VictorSorokin see above ^^^. Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 54 secs ago
 
 
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StackMonkey
StackMonkey
6:58 AM
Thank's for replay Patrick and others. But my opinion is that you are programmers with limited knowledge who earn badges on this site if you do not know something. I will ask the same questions on Server Fault. — Arsenije 11 secs ago
 
 
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ratchet freak
ratchet freak
9:05 AM
 
StackMonkey
StackMonkey
9:39 AM
This question might be better asked on Programmers. — 200_success 49 secs ago
 
 
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StackMonkey
StackMonkey
11:11 AM
this question looks good for programmers.stackexchange.com — Vihar 24 secs ago
 
StackMonkey
StackMonkey
12:01 PM
@200_success this question is a poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/… Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 20 secs ago
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
Morning, Whiteboard. I'm back after a nice long weekend. I took 32 seconds off my 5k time and took Monday off to watch the Boston Marathon. Unfortunately, I didn't get to the faq-proposed tag, but it's still on my radar for this week. I am well rested, though, so I'm tackling work with quite a bit of vigor.
 
StackMonkey
StackMonkey
@Vihar this question is a poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/… Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat just now
 
 
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durron597
durron597
1:29 PM
This link is filed under "awesome things I wish I knew about but didn't until now"
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Q: Stack Overflow's voting system is not entertaining enough

XMLbogI submit to you the following quartet of indisputable facts: Stack Overflow is for people who are bored at work. Having animations and video games are more exciting (and therefore less boring) than not having animations and video games. Chrono Trigger is the best video game ever made. Downvotin...

discussion voting user-interface fun
 
enderland
enderland
1:39 PM
@durron597 you can find a lot of those reading through balpha's posts - meta.stackexchange.com/users/115866/balpha
 
durron597
durron597
o. m. g.
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A: Add data.SE style "magic links" to comments

balphaMost of these now work. My comment below has the following markdown source: On [main], you are expected to write proper English (as advertised on [english.se]), but here on [meta.se] it's more important to have freehand circles, so please [edit] your post, otherwise I'll have to flag you (see...

How did I not know about that?!?!?!?
 
user55340
Engineer types: I recommend cs students take writing classes to help with writing requirements and documents. Would you recommend engineers to take art or sculpture classes for the future of 3d printing?
 
user41796
@MichaelT mechanicals and civils, perhaps
 
user41796
although I would recommend a writing course first
 
user41796
Electricals won't benefit as much from a sculpture class
 
user41796
1:48 PM
And I'd encourage more sculpture than art
 
user41796
Architectural Engineers could benefit from either art or sculpture classes. A thorough understanding of form would be helpful in their career
 
enderland
enderland
@MichaelT no
3D printing isn't really "art" in the same sense
now, 3d modeling classes or learning sketchup? yeah
 
user55340
@enderland it's about visualizing 3d shapes that are not straight lines.
 
user55340
Being comfortable and familiar with working with those shapes and forms.
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
No. I expect that many CS jobs will not involve 3d printing.
 
enderland
enderland
1:51 PM
3D modeling for CAD work and art is a completely different thing
 
durron597
durron597
 
enderland
enderland
and most engineers loathe "creative art" stuff ;)
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
Whereas every job requires writing.
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@MichaelT Actually, there was a story on NPR about this topic this morning.
 
user41796
@Telastyn He was suggesting writing for CS gigs; sculpting for engineering types
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
1:53 PM
It was about a car startup that 3d printed cars in partnership with a government research lab. The guy from the startup who ran the manufacturing center suggested that very thing.
 
user55340
@ThomasOwens welcome to my morning commute.
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
Ah, I see.
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@MichaelT Did you hear the same story this morning?
 
enderland
enderland
I think for most traditional engineers it's not worth it, but if you want to do something like industrial design/etc then absolutely
 
user41796
Having an intimate understanding of the form you're working with as an engineer is an important skill. It's also what separates "good" machinists from "great" machinists.
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
1:55 PM
I believe the suggestion was that with the advent of 3d printing, it would be possible to create new and unique shapes for items.
 
user55340
@ThomasOwens yep.
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
So if you're interested in engineering in a manufacturing setting, art and sculpture could help drive an understanding of non-traditional shapes.
 
user55340
Shapes not constrained by traditional lines, pegs and holes.
 
enderland
enderland
3D printing is not currently scalable though
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
So you could design something that is not only functional, but also asthetically pleasing. And perhaps more efficient if you're looking for something aerodynamic.
 
enderland
enderland
1:56 PM
I don't know how that will change in the future, but at this point if you want to do something mass produced you can't really 3D print it
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@enderland It's getting there.
 
enderland
enderland
at least cost effectively
@ThomasOwens not really in a meaningful way, yet, the cost/time per part produced via 3D printing is huge compared to injection molding (for plastics at least) if you are making a significant quantity
 
user55340
In college, it's hard to get some STEM types out of the direct path, into the tangential arts (writing, sculpture) that can provide other benefits to the final professional work.
 
user55340
@enderland it's closer than you think.
 
enderland
enderland
where 3D printing really shines is one-off fab types of things (think warranty parts or single use items) or prototypes
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
1:57 PM
@enderland The lab in the story I heard was able to spend less time manufacturing complex panels for airplanes than it took to ship the finished item.
3d printing is very quickly moving toward something that is for mass production.
 
enderland
enderland
@ThomasOwens yes, but that's likely a relatively low volume item
 
user55340
And cost less than the shipping too.
 
durron597
durron597
@ThomasOwens Were you actually at the Boston? My brother ran it in 3:13
 
enderland
enderland
if you are making 100 or even 1000 things it's almost assuredly cheaper to 3d print them
at least for plastics, I don't know how metal fab compares yet (there are structural issues in some applications)
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@durron597 Yeah. I was at mile 23 for quite a bit.
I wasn't out for the whole thing, though.
 
durron597
durron597
2:06 PM
@ThomasOwens Did you stay to see rank and file runners, or just the elites?
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@durron597 I saw the end of wave 2 and left when wave 3 started showing up. It was awfully cold and windy. I was walking along the route, though, and kept watching.
 
enderland
enderland
@GlenH7 lol, I'm sure it's more than what we spent ;)
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 Well, on the bright side, at least you are over 10000 cv reviews now
 
enderland
enderland
I'm only 750 or so rep away from 3k here :)
 
user41796
@enderland It was an expensive ring. But seriously, learn when to put the rotors away and let them live on their own.
 
user41796
2:11 PM
@durron597 GAH! I meant to grab a screenshot at 10k. D'oh!
 
enderland
enderland
@GlenH7 yeah. my parents basically cut me loose when I left for college, which was a great thing as it forced me to "do life" on my own
 
user41796
Perish the thought of cutting them loose at graduating from college then... :-)
 
enderland
enderland
I guess my parents DID partially help with college costs, not sure if that's the same thing or not
I can't fathom the idea of being involved in a significant "making life decisions" way that some parents are for their older kids
 
user41796
Yeah, this is why I have full enclosure headphones
 
user41796
And the eeyores are work are more annoying than normal today. Oh well
 
user41796
2:18 PM
Irony is complaining about the complainers
 
enderland
enderland
THEY ARE THE WORST
@AshleyNunn do you speak spanish by chance? stackexchange.com/work-here/13/…
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 Well just get it at 11111 then.
 
user41796
Oh, how the headphones are paying for themselves at this point. :-)
 
user41796
@durron597 But that'll take FOREVER! :-)
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 or even 10101 if you don't want to wait that long
 
user41796
2:21 PM
And I'll likely tune out as I get close and will miss that one too
 
user41796
10101 is more doable, yeah
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
3:04 PM
"Informational interviews..." Does anyone really do these, or is it a job-hunting urban legend?
Informational interview
An Informational Interview (also known as an Informational conversation) is a meeting in which a potential job seeker seeks advice on their career, the industry, and the corporate culture of a potential future workplace; while an employed professional learns about the job seeker and judges their professional potential and fit to the corporate culture, so building their candidate pool for future hires. In an informational interview, job seekers can be unemployed, or else employed and considering new options. They use the interview to gather information on the field and on specific companies that...
 
user41796
I think they're rare, but not completely non-existent
 
user41796
Given the lack of slack in most people's schedules, I'm not certain I would invest the time in pursuing an informational interview
 
durron597
durron597
If you can think of it, some people probably do it. There are 7 billion of us after all
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
[things you can't unsee on the internet]
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
I've heard about this stuff happening a bit around conferences and stuff
usually poaching talent
"you don't want to be seen interviewing with Apple, but are interested in our company. How about we have dinner and have a friendly chat?"
 
enderland
enderland
3:10 PM
I think that happens a lot more in the Silicon Valley area
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
(proceed to sell the hell out of the company to the candidate)
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
in other words it's putting your CV out there while trying to hide it in semantics
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
not even CV, it's more like picking up a girl in a bar - except it's a skilled colleague at a conference.
 
Ampt
Ampt
Same difference, amirite?
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
I have no idea, that would require interaction with humanity.
 
Ampt
Ampt
3:21 PM
"Hey baby, why don't you and I go back to my place and discuss the logistical challenges faced by off-shore employess with a pending green card status"
works every time
 
enderland
enderland
I think there are quite a few companies that do that sort of thing, though, I went to a local networking event which turned out to be sponsored by a company which basically did that
"you should work for us"
"even though our HR is super slow and we'll call you a few times periodically telling you we'll get back to you even though we won't"
 
Ampt
Ampt
"We need so many people! (just not you)"
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
"Our turnover is so bad! We need more suckers... er..."
 
enderland
enderland
I think it's more they aren't big enough for a real coordinated HR department
so it's a bunch of super busy hiring managers bumbling over each other
 
Ampt
Ampt
or they are but HR has grown into an unweildy beast that can't be controlled
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
3:24 PM
@enderland and because of all the bumbling many candidates just give up
creating even more problems
 
enderland
enderland
@ratchetfreak hi, my name is enderland, and as a moderator on The Workplace I don't work for companies which can't even actually offer me a job in spite of wanting to
:)
 
Ampt
Ampt
> hi, my name is enderland, and as a moderator on The Workplace I don't work for companies which can't even actually offer me a job in spite of wanting to can only quit a job, not start one.
 
enderland
enderland
hey now I started one yesterday ;)
 
Ampt
Ampt
HINT: You should quit!
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt HR doesn't do hiring anymore, most people who do HR these days see that as below them; they're all about managing company liability: Updating employee handbooks, ensuring everyone signs agreements that they'll follow them and can be killed at will and that nothing anyone in the company does can be traced back to the company
and managing benefits.
 
Ampt
Ampt
3:29 PM
> and mismanaging benefits, which they constantly try to downsize at the drop of a hat
 
enderland
enderland
@Ampt I've thought about it... but I'm giving this job at least 3 months to try and see :)
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@Ampt exactly, benefits are a company liability. Reduce reduce reduce.
 
Ampt
Ampt
wait until someone realizes that HR is a liability...
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
@JimmyHoffa HR doesn't hire anymore? Thank God, because they suck at it.
That they consider it beneath them explains a few things.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@RobertHarvey they didn't used to necessarily, their terribleness at it is a modern thing.
Time was, all the people who do hiring these days, used to be hired to HR jobs. Now they all work for recruiters taking a cut of the industry GDP while adding to it in no way whatsoever.
HR doesn't do hiring because hiring is a liability- hire the wrong person and oh noes! Reduce reduce reduce.
 
Ampt
Ampt
3:32 PM
better have the same 4 people do the work of 8...
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
That's why they push it to outside companies, then if the employee steals from the company or its customers, they can't be held liable - after all they didn't hire them.
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
@JimmyHoffa except it's still their responsibility to screen those out
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@ratchetfreak plausible deniability, they play zero role in the process so they can hang onto as little liability in case of a court case as possible. I've not even met an HR person until post-hiring in multiple jobs.
also accounts for the fact that so much work is contractors these days - in the case of a contractor instead of an FTE, they really are not responsible and can even sue the contracting company over the employee doing such.
 
user55340
@gnat for a desperate accept data point:
 
user55340
@MichaelT If I could check the optimization of my code I would not even ask the question. I've edited my question and accepted that answer only for the sake of making the question reopen and save it from autodeletion. If you could answer the original version of my question then I'd appreciate that. I'd post the question on quora if there is any problem on this website. I'll post the link in my profile later. — user106313 6 mins ago
 
user55340
3:55 PM
I am accepting your answer so as to save my question from auto-deletion. Your answer didn't explain all the concerns raised in the original question. — user106313 40 mins ago
 
user41796
Can we get one more 20k+ VTD to delete this fishing expedition, please?
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Done.
 
user55340
@enderland that Google interview question - got any workplace wisdom for it?
 
user41796
ty
 
enderland
enderland
@MichaelT ?
 
user41796
4:00 PM
 
user55340
Gone now. 10k.
 
enderland
enderland
> This question was voluntarily removed by its author.
I don't even have 3k rep let alone 10k! :)
 
user55340
> So I bombed my Google interview. I accidentally said something that might have rubbed the interviewer the wrong way.
 
user55340
> e the speech - I know I failed." I'm worried now that the interviewer might have taken it the wrong way. I'm not upset I failed - I'm more worried I offended the interviewer now.
 
user41796
 
user55340
4:02 PM
That works better.
 
enderland
enderland
he should be clear actually happened, did he tell the interviewer that?
 
user41796
Desktop FTW!
 
enderland
enderland
I love it when MSDN code examples are invalid
 
user41796
@enderland Pffft! That never happens....
 
enderland
enderland
> This method is used to access the following shared folder types:
Webcal calendars (webcal://mysite/mycalendar)
RSS feeds (feed://mysite/myfeed)
Microsoft SharePoint Foundation folders (stssync://mysite/myfolder)
_iCalendar calendar (.ics) files_
followed by
> This method does not support iCalendar appointment (.ics) files. To open iCalendar appointment files, you can use the OpenSharedItem method of the NameSpace object.
 
user41796
4:04 PM
What I dislike is how they created N sample projects, but then chopped the samples up to populate the help topics. And then they went and changed crucial bits of the samples which causes things to fall apart
 
user41796
regex search and replace FTW! Seriously, talk about playing with fire
 
enderland
enderland
oh ffs microsoft
> This method does not support iCalendar calendar (.ics) files. To open iCalendar calendar files, you can use the OpenSharedFolder method of the NameSpace object
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
@enderland That's the kind of thing that makes programming so difficult.
All of the weird things that make no sense, but you still have to know them.
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
@RobertHarvey and once you memorized all the weird things they change them on you
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Yes, five minutes later.
 
enderland
enderland
4:17 PM
I should never have done the office13 pilot!
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey If it were easy then we'd have even more people trying to cram programming courses down everyone's throats and people raving about how l33t they are for being full stack developers.
 
user41796
^^^ Color me cynical today
 
enderland
enderland
0
Q: Open.ics with Outlook 2013 to read items

enderlandThis is specific to Office 2013. In previous versions of Office (2010), I had a script which would download an .ics attachment and then save it to my calendar. After loading the .ics I then iterate through the .ics file and copy all AppointmentItem's to my calendar. Dim oSharedFolder As Outloo...

vba calendar outlook outlook-vba outlook-2013
feel free to cynically upvote then lol
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
Working with JTree is painful as all hell. I didn't think it would be so hard to make a JPanel that is actually usable display.
 
user15026
@enderland I don't speak Spanish, and it's highly unlikely I would be what SE wanted in a CM despite that...
 
user41796
4:26 PM
@AshleyNunn Don't undersell yourself. Despite the bilingual requirement, I think you have a well demonstrated history on all of the other items there.
 
user41796
And for the record, I think SE does a great job at explaining their commitment to diversity in their job requisitions. I just read that now and have to say I'm impressed.
 
user15026
@GlenH7 Yeah, but since i don't have the bilingual requirement, it's not worth wasting their time.
 
enderland
enderland
Don't undersell yourself...
 
user41796
 
enderland
enderland
Companies like SE probably have a lot of flexibility in their hiring processes, too, keep in mind
 
user15026
4:30 PM
I honestly think I'd like that one better @GlenH7
 
enderland
enderland
@AshleyNunn I saw that one too, wasn't sure if that would be something you like or not
 
user41796
And it's not like you don't have a direct channel to current employees so you can ask additional questions about the role.
 
user15026
But I mean I am still not certified or anything. So I feel like again I would be a waste of time.
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Doesn't hurt to ask for more information
 
enderland
enderland
@AshleyNunn let them determine you aren't certified or qualified, don't try to determine that for them ;)
 
user41796
4:31 PM
^^^^ This
 
user15026
@GlenH7 I could, but that would mean admitting I want it. And I don't want to do that because I am tired of never being right enough. (why yes, I have burned out some)
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Conversely, if you don't tell them you're interested then they'll never get the process started
 
user15026
And I don't know how to sell myself appropriately because all I see are the things that would make me crap for it.
 
user41796
You're already at "No."
 
user41796
All you have is upside
 
user15026
4:33 PM
@GlenH7 I suppose. I just don't want to get hopeful.
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn So pour a stiff glass of your favorite alcoholic beverage, look over each of their hiring points and come up with stories about how you've excelled in cases like that.
 
user41796
You like helping people find things. So there's the first example taken care of.
 
user15026
@GlenH7 my house is lacking in alcohol!
 
user41796
You know the SE infrastructure really well. Heck, you even help moderate a site for them. Point two.
 
GimmeTehRepz
GimmeTehRepz
Doesn't SE pretty much always hire people who were previously mods on the site?
 
user15026
4:35 PM
I just think it would be a crazy thing. Like bonkers nuts to even think a company I value a crap load would even look at me.
 
Ampt
Ampt
I mean you're already a mod... you've been chosen by the community for the good of the site!
 
user15026
@GimmeTehRepz they do hire out of the network for some things, but a large number of the employees, especially CM and Dev, come out of the network.
 
Ampt
Ampt
ooooh maybe you'll get to meet joel
tell him that I've got a list of features for him when he's got a second
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Since I can't buy you a bottle through the magic of the interwebs, I guess I'll have to suggest a walk first. Would rather be able to buy a bottle, but c'est la vie.
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn That's just your self-doubt talking
 
user15026
4:36 PM
@GlenH7 I could go see the ducks, they would remind me I am pretty great.
 
user41796
You are qualified for that role
 
Ampt
Ampt
but srsly, you are
 
user15026
@GlenH7 you think?
 
Ampt
Ampt
well, you're already doing it for free... so... yes
 
enderland
enderland
^^
 
user41796
4:37 PM
@AshleyNunn See, and you're much closer to being a programmer than you realize - since we all use rubber ducks to talk to in order to resolve our programming problems. You just use real ones
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Yes, quite seriously. Just from chatting with you in here, I can build half of your application
 
user41796
And I only know a fraction of the good stuff that could be put into a resume.
 
user15026
@GlenH7 see, I can't. I am like "I don't know what my skills are or how to phrase them"
 
user15026
So I just decide not to.
 
user41796
And they'd never turn you down if you said "I want to start as a CSR, but keep studying and possibly move into a more technical role"
 
user41796
4:39 PM
@AshleyNunn You should chat with the ducks then to get your courage up
 
enderland
enderland
It's also probable your morale in general for job applications is at or close to zero, which translates to wanting to avoid any hope to avoid any further demoralization...
 
user41796
This may be the only hang-up though:
 
user15026
@enderland yep, you got it.
 
user41796
> As you will be visiting our clients in this role you will need to travel regularly.
 
user15026
@GlenH7 I have a passport.
 
user41796
4:39 PM
OTOH, IIRC I think you want to be traveling at this point
 
Ampt
Ampt
Bam, you're in
 
user15026
And I can get friends to watch my cat.
 
user15026
Hell, I would love to travel.
 
user41796
Okay, you need to chat with the ducks today then
 
user15026
Damn it, guys. I think I am going to try this and it is all your fault.
 
Ampt
Ampt
4:40 PM
QUACK
 
user41796
'cause I think you'd do great in that job
 
Ampt
Ampt
HONK HONK
 
user15026
First shower, then pants, then ducks, then, who knows.
2
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn And you've got a ready source of resume + cover letter reviewers
 
Ampt
Ampt
 
user15026
4:41 PM
@GlenH7 Oh I wouldn't want to impose!
 
user41796
And for that matter, cheat and ask some of the recent hires what they think was the secret sauce for the interviewing process
 
user15026
@ampt that is the best and weirdest thing I have seen in a while.
 
Ampt
Ampt
loool are you serious? Go see the friggin ducks, then write stuff for us to pick apart like the cynical bastards we are.
 
enderland
enderland
@AshleyNunn ....
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Pffft, this may mean you'll be out my way and I'll get cupucakes. That's a win!
 
user15026
4:42 PM
@GlenH7 Oh, I see, this is all selfishly motivated!
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Well, duh
 
Ampt
Ampt
haven't you realized? Everything we do is selfishly motivated!
:D
 
user41796
Oh, and you're qualified for the gig, so give it a shot.
 
user41796
> then write stuff for us to pick apart like the cynical bastards we are.
 
user41796
consistent storyline there...
 
user55340
4:43 PM
@AshleyNunn are the ducks in the Stanley cup playoff? Is Canada going to finally bring the cup back?
 
Ampt
Ampt
@GlenH7 it's all the yogurt I eat.
 
user41796
Way TMI....
 
Ampt
Ampt
Wasn't sure you were going to get that ;)
 
user41796
Some things are ... obvious.
 
user41796
:-)
 
user15026
4:45 PM
@ampt bans
 
Ampt
Ampt
see, you're getting it already
 
user55340
How much water is in the Anaheim Ice rink?
 
user15026
@michaelT that made me laugh.
 
Ampt
Ampt
I'll have you know that I've been banned by the Community bot for talking about yogurt.
 
enderland
enderland
how many online personality profile types of quizzes are there... I've taken so many just for internal trainings. and there are ALWAYS more
 
user55340
4:47 PM
@enderland are you an ewock or a storm trooper?
 
Ampt
Ampt
Ewok, plebeian!
 
enderland
enderland
@MichaelT definitely storm trooper
 
Ampt
Ampt
... do you think stormtroopers wear socks?
 
user15026
@enderland I have taken so many for job interview stuff. I tend to start psychoanalysis on them.
 
user15026
@ampt to stop the armor from chafing, duh
 
enderland
enderland
4:48 PM
@AshleyNunn Yeah I know, each internal training we have has one which is slightly different and yet they are all the same
"wow people are different! NO FREAKING WAY" (but apparently this is profound to some people)
 
jen6
jen6
Can I ask a question? about (programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/279776/…) this question
 
Ampt
Ampt
@jen6 yep
 
jen6
jen6
I study c++ but no idea about what to make
 
Ampt
Ampt
this is the perfect place to discuss questions that are deemed off topic for the main site
 
enderland
enderland
 
user15026
4:50 PM
@enderland wait, wait, wait. We aren't just clones of each other? There goes that theory.
 
enderland
enderland
those are two good sites for doing progrmaming
 
jen6
jen6
reading c++ books and notes new feature are also fun but I want to use theme!!
them
@enderland thanks I'll
 
enderland
enderland
5:02 PM
Dear @enderland, when somebody is trying to help you down voting is not the best feedback. — Eugene Astafiev 1 min ago
I'm a bad person apparently
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
@ThomasOwens I never use any of the default swing models if I can help it
 
user41796
@enderland I usually return with "votes are anonymous by design"
 
enderland
enderland
@GlenH7 well he copy pasted code out of the page I had read for documentation, so... hard to feel like it was "helpful"
 
user41796
Then that just adds to the delicious irony of explaining to them that votes are anonymous by design
 
user15026
@GlenH7 the ducks say I would be quacked not to try.
 
user41796
5:15 PM
Those are very wise ducks
 
Ampt
Ampt
I'll have you know that I'm the one who downvoted you - twice — Ampt 12 secs ago
no one takes credits for my downvotes
no one
 
user41796
That's hilarious, especially given your rep on SO
 
Ampt
Ampt
right? hahaha
 
user15026
@ampt duly noted. Do not take credit for the sock's downvote. I don't want to know what happens if I do.
 
user41796
Or just make comments like that when you have < 125 rep
 
Ampt
Ampt
5:18 PM
I take credit for all the DVs at SO
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@ratchetfreak I wrote my own accordion.
I'm writing tests now, including a simple main to drive a JFrame demo.
It was easier.
 
user15026
@ampt well, you are a sock, so it could well be your fault
 
Ampt
Ampt
Tests? Pah, just launch it once locally, if it works, deploy!
Tests are for rockets and heart monitors!
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
CellRenderer is a very nice class for stamping controls without actually including them in the hierarchy
 
Ampt
Ampt
and maybe not even rockets, depending on where you're pointing them.
 
user41796
5:45 PM
I think that only in C# does the code value.Value make sense.
 
durron597
durron597
Wow. Famous question badge on superuser. I don't have one of those on SO haha
 
enderland
enderland
@durron597 I have a handful on SO :)
I must be more famous than @durron597
 
durron597
durron597
Chat outage! rude.
@enderland We have about the same number of people reached.
 
enderland
enderland
> Make no mistake: human questions are the most important ones, not questions about finding printed C++ standard
waaaaaaaaaaaaaat
 
user41796
According to your SO profiles, enderland is more famous by 4k people
 
durron597
durron597
6:04 PM
@GlenH7 I can subtract too! high five
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Did anyone see my post about the DHTML folks on Careers?
> Author complex "web 2.0" user interfaces using DHTML (XHTML, CSS, JavaScript, DOM, AJAX, JSON)
 
user41796
I know! Isn't it awesome?! I just got the hang of it yesterday! Er, wait. maybe it was the day before? I dunno, I forget.
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Isn't XHTML defunct?
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 Well, what date was it? Today is the 21st.
@RobertHarvey I saw you wrote DHTML and my brain went DHMO
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey I'm not familiar with it. Could be they simply have too much in place to consider anything else. Or they need help with migration.
 
enderland
enderland
6:08 PM
-4
Q: Putting soft questions on hold unproductive?

Alexei AverchenkoI understand you want questions that can be answered definitively, that's the point of a stack. But given how many sappy personal advice questions you're getting, maybe it's time to create a support group to redirect them to, or maybe find an existing one, because just putting these questions on ...

discussion off-topic
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey

User Interface Developer

MXM

angularjsjqueryhtml5javascript

MXM (mxm.com), is seeking an exceptional User Interface Developer who specializes in user interface architecture…

Posted on Stack Overflow Careers on March 31, 2015

 
enderland
enderland
is this guy trolling?
 
user41796
winforms and silverlight are dead, but there's still active development done in them
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
@GlenH7 Tags say HTML5.
 
user41796
The wikipedia article indicated there is an xhtml5 spec in the works.
 
user41796
6:10 PM
@enderland After reading his Edit, I wish I could downvote further
 
user41796
Trolling or not, they haven't bothered to research any of the sites history but they suddenly know the solution to everything. Next! in line, please!
 
user41796
@enderland I was doing great with the help vampire article until I got to:
 
user41796
> so leave your stakes at home.
 
user41796
Yeah, um.... I'm not so sure about that. ;-)
 
durron597
durron597
come on people, vtc some stuff so I can get 20 reviews in today! (cc: @Snowman @ratchetfreak)
 
user41796
6:15 PM
And Shog9 shuts it all down. Props!
 
enderland
enderland
6:37 PM
this article is fan-tastic
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Oh, yeah. That's basically the definitive work on how an internet group can destroy itself from the inside out.
 
user55340
Or be designed in a way that prevents the core group from fixing problems as they arise.
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
@RobertHarvey I'm familiar with all of them, so I can't really answer. But neither of them contradicts the scope of the corresponding site. — Alexei Averchenko 41 secs ago
"I'm corrupted by what I already know, so I can't respond objectively."
---
Are these nanodegree things worth it?
 
user41796
6:57 PM
@RobertHarvey Wouldn't register with me when scanning a resume
 
user41796
So I'd say "no"
 
user41796
Continuing education is a good thing, don't get me wrong. But I wouldn't pay money for a non-accredited "degree" in the hopes of it bolstering my resume.
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@RobertHarvey I'd say yes. I wouldn't weigh them as much as work experience, but if one covers the skills that I'd need, I'd at least want to test the candidate in a phone screen.
I don't know about that one in particular, but it would catch my eye.
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Thanks.
 
user55340
@MichaelT I understand now, thanks — Alexei Averchenko 5 mins ago
 
durron597
durron597
7:54 PM
5 4 minutes left in the SO election!
 
enderland
enderland
should I vote more than once?
 
durron597
durron597
@enderland All your socks should vote
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
this little piggy voted for Truman, this little piggy voted for Roosevelt...
 
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