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12:30 AM
@FaheemMitha plenty of people use Fortran
its old (Backus, 1957) but the last lanuage standard published was in 2008 and work is in progress for Fortran 2015.
its still in wide use, particularly in supercomputer usage. multiple vendors still tweak their compilers to be competitive and if you deal with large matrix operations its still the fastest language out there
note you can make C just as fast if you give up some language flexibility (e.g. aliasing)
 
1:22 AM
Hi I am trying to decide whether to install linux into my C drive or a USB. Does the USB have to be plugged in all the time I'm using Linux? What if it accidently gets pulled out while I'm doing something important?
 
@JohnSmith are you aware that installing Linux in the same partition were Windows resides will effectively remove Windows of your system right?
 
@Braiam hm, unet allowed me to do it :S
it has an option to save to hard drive?
what about the usb approach
 
@JohnSmith do a back up of all your important files, dig a hole and keep it there
 
if im working on something and the usb comes out, everything will crash?
 
@JohnSmith there are more pressing issues here, like that you don't have a back up in case something catastrophic happens, do the back up first
 
1:30 AM
I have nothing on my computer ^_^
new computer
i want to be able to use windows and linux
what does everyone else do
 
a back up
 
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and read the fine manual
 
that's a terrible answer
I'm asking what drive should I install it in
 
that's actually the best answer
it answers all your questions
 
1:33 AM
there are two options: a) on my computer b) external
my question was if the external drive is disconnected, linux will crash?
 
read the manual/guide of your distribution
 
i know how to install it
ive installed it on servers
i haven't installed it in parallel on windows
 
@JohnSmith your distro should include indications of how to install it besides Windows, read that
 
my question isn't how to install it...
it's whether if a usb disconnects
will it crash linux?
 
@JohnSmith why you think it will crash?
 
1:35 AM
:S
so i can take the usb out?
after it loads
because all the files are stored on the usb
 
did you installed everything, and the installation told you that you can reboot the system and unplug the media?
 
that's why i would assume it would crash
it said i could reboot
and then my usb light would flicker a lot as it loaded
so I assumed they were connected somehow
if not, then ill just use a usb
 
57 secs ago, by John Smith
it said i could reboot
did you reboot? into what?
the installation again?
 
i can't remember what i used
all i remember was that i had to disable stuff for windows boot
i installed in parallel on a usb before, never thought about what would happen if it disconnected
 
are you installing everything again?
 
1:39 AM
yes
new computer
 
are you installing everything again?
 
then no
i am downloading the iso right now ^_^
 
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what do you mean ... lol
i have 2 computers, 1 of them I used a usb with linux
that computer broke
 
@JohnSmith ask a question on the site, and describe exactly the current status, and what inquire you have and why
 
1:41 AM
this isn't an inquiry of how to install linux -.-'
im asking whether linux will crash if the usb is unplugged
i didn't ask a question, because i don't think it's necessary
that's why im here :)
 
unplugged when? Before the installtion starts? while installing? when it finished installing and told you to unplug the drive?
 
when im actually using linux
installation done
im coding on linux
some jerk pulls my usb out
everything crashes?
 
when you are using Windows, do you need to plug an usb or leave the installation dvd inside?
 
no, but i thought linux installed on the usb
not the drive
 
did you told the installation to install the system on the drive?
 
1:44 AM
no
the only option it gives is either install on a) hard drive b) usb
unetbootin at least
installing on hard drive can only install on C:, so it clutters everything, but I figure I won't need a usb everytime I want to boot up linux
 
what distro is that? Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Arch, SUSE, Mint?
 
Mint
 
if you shut down the system and unplug the drive, can you boot into mint?
 
I don't know ^_^
I never tried, that's my question
 
you better do...
 
1:46 AM
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how in the world you expect anyone to know if you don't have idea where you installed your system?
 
answer: just do it yourself
I installed in on the usb..
 
then obviously if the usb is not present nothing is going to work
 
ok
thank you, that's all
 
that is, if you actually installed it in the USB
 
1:48 AM
ill pay close attention when it installs
these programs that auto install things, i dont know where it goes, and never really cared :P
thanks
 
2:20 AM
round and round and round we go
 
@casey stop rubbing salt to the wound... :/
 
I got a headache reading the part I read before I gave up
anyone know etiquette for the gcc bugzilla? If I have a bug in 5.1.0 that has an open P3 bug from 2013 against 4.9.0 is it preferable to bump the old bug and hope someone on the cc list cares, or is it preferable to post a new bug against 5.1.0?
 
2:38 AM
@casey link?
there isn't anything here about still reproducible bugs gcc.gnu.org/bugs/management.html
 
I posted to that one, but if it doesn't go anywhere I'll probably re-post it as a new bug against 5.1.0 or if I'm adventurous I'll build trunk and file the bug against that
that way it can count against the next gcc release and someone might take a bigger look at it
though it isn't a regression so maybe they won't care anyway
(finalization is a Fortran 2003 feature that was first supported by gfortran 4.9.0)
 
3:12 AM
yet another cryptic apt warning described
 
 
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8:16 AM
@casey Yes, I know. I was joking.
Though it is ironical that Common Lisp can't get a new standard since 1994, while this ghastly relic of a language gets updates regularly.
@casey have you tried to make contact with the devs more directly? Do you know who they are? Either irc or mailing list would be reasonable ways to go.
People don't always pay attention to bug trackers. The relevant people may not even be subscribed.
Does llvm/clang have any Fortran support, I wonder.
 
8:34 AM
Yes, via something called DragonEgg.
 
8:46 AM
@casey weird, there is a patch and they are ignoring it?
 
 
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10:56 AM
Is there an equivalent to pdfinfo for GIFS and other image formats?
 
@FaheemMitha identify
 
@Gilles thank you
 
from imagemagick
 
Do GIFs typically encode information about their creator like PDFs do? The one I'm looking at does not appear to have anything.
 
@FaheemMitha no, they don't. jpeg and tiff might but not png or gif.
 
10:58 AM
@Gilles Ok. Thank you.
 
11:32 AM
@casey The patch fix the issue? I'm guessing that if you submit a new bug report and say "hey, got a patch" they will merge it
 
11:59 AM
@Braiam sounds like a plan. Or pester them via ml/irc.
 
 
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9:16 PM
hey guys
 
 
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10:27 PM
Most Linux distributions receive updates from their package manager, but is there any sort of common method for updating applications when no package manager is available?
I'm thinking of specialized or embedded systems that have Internet access, but limited capabilities. Something running BusyBox, say.
On Windows you see each application (Firefox, Chrome, etc.) with its own update service, and except for WinGUP.org I don't see that there's a very good generic one available. Is there some common one for Linux that's difficult to Google for?
 
@Bo102010 you install another package manager on top
or simply have something that pushes the upgrades automagically on deploy (something like an orchestration/automation software, ie Chef)
 
Installing a lightweight package manager is not a bad idea. Not sure if the push mechanism makes sense for what I have in mind (say, a Playstation or a router or something).
 
@Bo102010 it's called a package manager. On Linux, it's rare for applications to embed their own, because it's part of the OS.
opkg is a common choice for embedded Linux systems
 
Thanks. I'm checking to see whether opkg can verify signed packages - if so I think it would do the trick.
Looks like it theoretically has such support - looks promising; many thanks.
 
10:44 PM
@Bo102010 it can, but you need a recent version
the patch was merged in September 2014
so you need opkg ≥ 0.2.4
 

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