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Man_From_India

3:00 PM

@JimReynolds Any reason?

Damkerng T.

Let me type the definition...

Jim Reynolds

How do you like this sentence: He left me without raining.

Is that an ok sentence?

Man_From_India

Gibberish :-)

MARamezani

@JimReynolds Yes.

Damkerng T.

> informing, n. As a count noun: a piece of information imparted; an instruction, a teaching (now rare). As a mass noun: the action or practice of informing; the imparting of information; instructing.

Jim Reynolds

3:01 PM

And so is informing.

MARamezani

But not capitalized OK.

Jim Reynolds

As a count noun, it would need an article or to be plural.

And rare indeed.

Man_From_India

As a mass noun it's also used. And that is not rare.

Jim Reynolds

It's unlikely the OP was asking about some obscure meaning.

So is raining.

But you said gibberish.

Man_From_India

To me, OP's sentence is far logical that your raining example :D

MARamezani

3:04 PM

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Q: How to ask the another question within the less than 20 minute on the StackOverflow?

TO ask a another question within 20 minute on the Stack overflow not possible,

O>0

Jim Reynolds

Please use it in a paragraph and explain what it means.

Man_From_India

me?

Jim Reynolds

Sure.

Man_From_India

u mean about logic?

Jim Reynolds

Since it's logical to you, explain what the sentence means to me!

:-)

Man_From_India

3:06 PM

Oh sure

Jim Reynolds

Makes popcorn.

:D

Damkerng T.

sneaked in and got some...

nom, nom...

Jim Reynolds

Goodness . . . If he says he left me without imparting information . . . .

I will SCREAM.

Man_From_India

> He left me without raining.

That means He can rain, but left without doing it.

On the other hand - He left me without informing means he can inform (somebody), but left without without doing it.

Jim Reynolds

Yes. I agree.

Man_From_India

3:08 PM

Thank god :D

Jim Reynolds

I wrote that it's possible.

But not likely.

Man_From_India

But your answer suggests that it's obligatory to have an object. You also wrote that without object if informing is a noun, it doesn't make any sense. Can you please elaborate?

Jim Reynolds

And it would generally be considered an incomplete idea.

Because it begs for more information.

Inform who about what?

Man_From_India

Well...

Jim Reynolds

He left me without informing me where he was going.

That is normal, standard.

I also made an example, like your "raining" example.

Man_From_India

3:12 PM

Play is a verb. He played football. The object is there, but still we can say he left without playing.

Jim Reynolds

I think?

Damkerng T.

Some verbs do clearly have both transitive and intransitive uses.

Jim Reynolds

And that's the problem with a "grammar-based" approach to understanding language.

Damkerng T.

Particularly, the most common ones.

Man_From_India

agree

Damkerng T.

3:14 PM

> "What are you doing?" "I'm eating!"

Jim Reynolds

I'm eating Man from India.

Delicious.

Crispy toenails.

Damkerng T.

lol -- Eww... That's a bit scary!

Man_From_India

No please, you already did once :D not again :D :D

Jim Reynolds

O.o

I only ate an arm before.

Man_From_India

And that too barbequed :O :'(

Jim Reynolds

3:15 PM

Well . . .

If someone asks you, Is it ok to say "He left me without raining?" ..

You would simply say, "Oh absolutely."

?

Man_From_India

I can imagine a lot :D

Damkerng T.

> "What are you doing?" "I'm raining!"

Haha.

:D

How are you raining?

3:17 PM

A lot

MARamezani

@JimReynolds Fine, thanks.

Damkerng T.

I don't know; it just happened!

Jim Reynolds

Very hravily at the moment. Thank you.

Lol

Man_From_India

Cats and dogs, may be?

Jim Reynolds

@Dam: What's worse than raining cats and dogs?

Man_From_India

3:18 PM

Next time anyone sees Jim in the room, always welcome him by asking - How are you raining, Jim?

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I give up!

Jim Reynolds

Hailing taxis.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds Nice one!

Jim Reynolds

What can happen after it rains cats and dogs?

Damkerng T.

I give up, again!

Jim Reynolds

3:20 PM

You might step in a poodle (puddle).

:D

Damkerng T.

You're ruining my pudding!

Man_From_India

Jim, if have still any energy left let's discuss about another sentence regarding informing.

Jim Reynolds

So, Man, my friend (and meal),

O.O

Man_From_India

Then I am hiding...

please spare me demon

Jim Reynolds

Heaven willing . . .

Let's do.

Man_From_India

3:21 PM

sentence or hide? :D

Jim Reynolds

Sentence. Then hide.

Man_From_India

> W. Blackstone Comm. Laws Eng. IV. xiii. 172 Sharpers; who..if unsuccessful, have it in their power to be still greater gainers by informing.

this should also be termed as incomplete....

Damkerng T.

Oh, Blackstone.

Not sure which sense this informing is.

Man_From_India

[Oh by the way, Jim don't mind my arguing. I love to question :D]

demon is hidden? ;-)

so let's play in the garden :D

Damkerng T.

Maybe cracking his popcorn. :P

Man_From_India

3:25 PM

I made minutes back :D

Damkerng T.

Ah, BRB

Man_From_India

see you @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

I'm back!

(I usually use BRB for 3-4-minute leaving.)

^unnecessary -ing!

Man_From_India

welcome back :D

Damkerng T.

Thank you!

Man_From_India

3:28 PM

how r u raining, by the way :D :D

Damkerng T.

Hahaha!

I was raining well. I'm not raining now.

:D

Man_From_India

Where is that demon? Sure is he preparing some barbeque :D

Damkerng T.

ELL status: 15,014 questions

Man_From_India

All total?

Damkerng T.

Yes.

Man_From_India

3:32 PM

It's already graduated, right?

I mean ELL

Damkerng T.

Nope.

Still is a beta site.

Oh, no! It's a different movie!

MARamezani

@Man_From_India Grad sites look beautiful. ELL still has that ugly "pastel"-color logo.

Damkerng T.

I thought it was Avengers, but it's The Avengers!

Jim Reynolds

I'm here!

Man_From_India

How are you raining, Jim? :P

While talking about barbeque and eating, I am hungry :D

Jim Reynolds

3:36 PM

I'm here!

Stupid thing logged me out.

who..if unsuccessful, have it in their power to be still greater gainers by informing

It is a fragment.

What do you want to discuss?

I am happy arguing. :-)

Man_From_India

True...but there is a full stop after informing, I probably forgot to add. That says a lot I think

Jim Reynolds

It doesn't say what the sentence is supposed to mean.

And . . . @Dam . . . .

Yes?

Oh. I dunno.

?

3:40 PM

True, but it says informing means the action of inform. So that sentence can mean anything that inform mean.

Jim Reynolds

Ok. Here's an idea, just out of the blue.

In Taiwan, people often tell me something like "You think too much."

I find it difficult to imagine what it might mean.

Damkerng T.

?

Jim Reynolds

And the OED is full of things people seldom if ever will ever repeat again!

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds Is it because it doesn't make sense as a sentence in English, or is it because it was used strangely in the context?

@JimReynolds Was it OED, or ODE, or what?

Man_From_India

Is it probably a bad day of raining for Jim :D sorry dude :D :D

Damkerng T.

3:45 PM

Okay, OED is that dictionary that can occupy the whole rack of a bookcase easily!

ODE is this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Dictionary_of_English

Jim Reynolds

@Dam This one ...who..if unsuccessful, have it in their power to be still greater gainers by informing

?

It's from 1769.

Well good grief.

:P

(But mentioning just Blackstone already alerted me!)

Jim Reynolds

3:48 PM

What's Blackstone?

Man_From_India

What about this one?

> The grinding diurnal arrest and imprisonment of ordinary gay men, usually prompted by anonymous informings.

Damkerng T.

I remember that one of LawA51P questions was answered with a citation of something in Blackstone's some sort of Law book.

Something sounded pretty formidable.

Man_From_India

Be right back...Jim made me hungry...coming after dinner

Jim Reynolds

He's going to eat part of himself!

Damkerng T.

lol

Enjoy the dinner!

@Jim Maybe it was this: Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England.

Jim Reynolds

3:55 PM

The Blackstones have grown far too powerful.

Damkerng T.

I guess so!

skeggse

Is there a word for monotheistic-god-centric (similar to anthropocentric for humans)?

I found ecclesiastical, but that's more pertaining to church structures and the human aspect of monotheistic religions.

Damkerng T.

I wonder if there is such a word.

skeggse

I'm not sure if there is...

Damkerng T.

What do you think, Jim?

Have you tried theocentricism?

(I wonder if we can add mono- to it.)

MARamezani

4:03 PM

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This, is the masterpiece I've been working on.

(That resulted in me being absent)

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Wow, that looks quite neat!

Jim Reynolds

Hmm...

MARamezani

I hope.

Jim Reynolds

God-centered from a god's perspective, or a human's?

MARamezani

@skeggse Hullo, BTW!

Jim Reynolds

4:05 PM

Or mine (I'm both, yet neither).

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds o_O

skeggse

@MARamezani Hi :D

@DamkerngT. that seems like an option

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds Are you claiming that you're a demigod?

@skeggse I hope so.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. There's some [idiotic] belief that angels are aliens.

skeggse

@JimReynolds I guess I'm not entirely sure what the difference is

Jim Reynolds

4:07 PM

I don't know. Does that mean like half-god or lesser god?

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds Let's take the one you're more comfortable with. :P

Jim Reynolds

monotheistic-god-centric

skeggse

@JimReynolds That's what I have written right now

It's not pretty but it's the most accurate thing I could come up with

haha

Jim Reynolds

Do you mean a belief tendency or attitude held by some people?

skeggse

I'm looking for a word that could be described as "of or pertaining to a monotheistic god'

Jim Reynolds

4:09 PM

Hmm

skeggse

How a view could be considered anthropocentric, but instead of pertaining to humans, pertaining to a singular god

monotheocentrism — the assumption that worship of the one God is the only legitimate form of religion

Not sure that's what I'm going for

not necessarily the only definition

Jim Reynolds

Can you show how it could be used in a sentence with _____

Damkerng T.

Surprisingly, there are 2 hits of monotheocentrism on Google Books!

Jim Reynolds

O.o

Damkerng T.

> Anthropocentrism and monotheocentrism - the assumptions that worship of one God is the only legitimate worship and man is the centre of creation, form each other in the same process.
--Waters of Life and Death: Ethical and Theological ... - Page 147
https://books.google.com/books?id=QNLYAAAAMAAJ

skeggse

4:12 PM

"Nature can also be ascribed value in religious frameworks: a monotheistic god creates the world, and either effectively declares it a work of art, or implies that humankind should assume the role of ruler. Casually, this remains an anthropocentric view, but it does so in the context of a higher power, thus making it monotheistic-god-centric view."

Damkerng T.

> For Judeocentrism and monotheocentrism converge for Levinas around a set of privileged modalities that, irrespective of their utopian or messianic bent, manifestly fail to address an enormous number of the world's nations as either ...
The Fence and the Neighbor: Emmanuel Levinas, Yeshayahu ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0791491447

Man_From_India

Jim you are promoting Cannibalism here :O beware of Jim...everyone!!!

Jim Reynolds

Not promoting it!

MARamezani

@JimReynolds Yes. Spreading it.

Damkerng T.

Yeah, just practicing it. :P

MARamezani

4:14 PM

There's a difference.

Jim Reynolds

Reaches out and saws off Man From India's leg.

Man_From_India

Practising it, spreading it, and even asking people to eat themselves :'( beware :D

skeggse

/help

aww

Was hoping there was a /me

Man_From_India

The next Scary movie, and Jim is in it. Take it from me....

Jim Reynolds

We use asterisks

Man_From_India

4:16 PM

for raining, jim? :P

:D

I am done with my dinner...full of energy :D

Jim Reynolds

I do love plain language in academic writing.

MARamezani

@JimReynolds And I love peanuts.

O.o

o.O

0.o

4:18 PM

o.0

Hullo @Stoney!

StoneyB

Hi, MAR!

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Oh, your eyes are very sharp!

MARamezani

How was your day?

Man_From_India

:D

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. They don't cut anything well recently.

Damkerng T.

4:19 PM

Hello, @StoneyB! We are trying to find a single word for "monotheistic-god-centric".

MARamezani

They must've become blunt.

Man_From_India

@StoneyB Hi...how is it going?

StoneyB

Me? I've just spent two and a half hours writing an answer only to find that @JimReynolds beat me to it, far more intelligibly.

Jim Reynolds

O.O

MARamezani

O.O

StoneyB

4:20 PM

What do you want to do with this word meaning "monotheistic-god-centric"?

Jim Reynolds

I just made up some crap, but tried to sound authoritative.

MARamezani

@skeggse wants to eat it for breakfast.

Man_From_India

:D and see we were arguing with Jim...in return he barbequed me :D

StoneyB

What is the significance of "O.O"? Am I being mocked or commiserated with?

skeggse

It's an owl O.O

Jim Reynolds

4:22 PM

Takes a bite out of StoneyB's forearm.

skeggse

@StoneyB I gave an example usage above

MARamezani

@Man_From_India He only barbequed you! Don't go all crying! I'm been through worse....

Jim Reynolds

You are being eaten.

Man_From_India

see Cannibal is again here :D

skeggse

Welp

StoneyB

4:22 PM

Are we overrun with zombies? Or anthropophagi?

Man_From_India

@MARamezani What part of you he actually bit?

MARamezani

@Man_From_India What part of me he actually didn't?

Damkerng T.

@StoneyB chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21052980#21052980

Man_From_India

@MARamezani I am too scared :D next time you see a new scary movie...you pay attention of credit part....you will surely find Jim's name there...:D

skeggse

@StoneyB also chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21053126#21053126

MARamezani

4:24 PM

@Man_From_India The idea behind exorcist was Jim's.

skeggse

I don't really care if such a word exists, I was just wondering if anyone here knew of such a word

Jim Reynolds

Certainly God does.

O.0

Damkerng T.

My last guess was monotheocentrism.

Man_From_India

@MARamezani You see the similarity between Jim and Zombie...that explains a lot :-)

MARamezani

@Man_From_India Jimbie. A new word trending in well...

StoneyB

4:27 PM

mmm I don't much care for the -centri- morpheme, which I think has been so sloppily used that it doesn't mean anything very specific any more.

MARamezani

...Jim doesn't let anyone remain alive to make it go trending.

Man_From_India

@MARamezani it is one of the official new words in next version of OED.

skeggse

@StoneyB I got that vibe from an alternate definition

Have a better morpheme?

MARamezani

@Man_From_India If they remain alive enough to implement it.

StoneyB

Thinking ...

MARamezani

4:29 PM

Anyone who says Jimbie three times is eaten and murdered and torn to pieces immediately and mysteriously.

I didn't say Jimbie!

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani That's Candyman!

Man_From_India

@MARamezani I will pass this responsibility to our loving robot, may be. I heard they are immune to Jimbies :D

StoneyB

Monolatry, monolatrous

Jim Reynolds

Shhh! Can't you just enjoy the smell of that brain thinking?

MARamezani

@JimReynolds No. Not really.

Man_From_India

4:30 PM

time to roll on the floor...ROFLMAO

StoneyB

It's better with a little chili powder and cumin.

Jim Reynolds

HAHA

MARamezani

Thinking? THINKING? I have a life-death exam tomorrow and I don't study no s*t.*

Jim Reynolds

Here, roll in this large piece of naan.

StoneyB

You guys give a new depth to the phrase "oriental inscrutability"

MARamezani

4:32 PM

What? Googling

Man_From_India

@MARamezani If u want to save urself from exams, go to Jimbie's plate like a good boy :D

MARamezani

@Man_From_India I slip.

google.com/…

WHAT?!

StoneyB

Though perhaps "inscrutability" should be replaced with "unintelligibility" ...

MARamezani

@StoneyB THANK YOU!

StoneyB

For oriental inscrutability?

MARamezani

4:35 PM

The latter is even better.

@StoneyB For the gift of calling me a grad from Do|t university.

I'm gonna sleep well at night

StoneyB

I never said you were a dolt!

MARamezani

@StoneyB I said I were!

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani For some inexplicable reason, I find that's even more unintelligible!

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. You run a query or something? Are these things voted on?

Man_From_India

@StoneyB don't pay much attention to @MARamezani tonight. He is infected by Jimbie tonight....badly :'(

Damkerng T.

4:37 PM

@MARamezani No, I was just trying to ponder upon your responses!

MARamezani

@StoneyB BTW, Do|t or more precisely Do|t is a meme here!

Isn't that right @Jimbie TM?

Damkerng T.

Strange, | wasn't italicized!

Man_From_India

:D

StoneyB

Ah. My field is mimesis, not memesis.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. This phenomenal occurrence is first sighted some while ago.

Jim Reynolds

4:39 PM

@MARam you now need five letters to be uniquely pinged.

MARamezani

@JimReynolds Yayyyyyyyyy!

Next step: Do|t BS

Damkerng T.

Oh, it doesn't work!

MARamezani

It?

Damkerng T.

(trying to put RAM banks from an AMD PC to an Intel PC)

Jim Reynolds

That sounds illegal.

MARamezani

4:42 PM

@DamkerngT. The two had an old fight, right?

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Q: Why is 'The Chinese have invented the printer' wrong?

' The Chinese invented the printer ' Raymond Murphy says that we can't use the present perfect here. I question why? According to Murphy ' We can't use the present perfect if there's no connection with present .' But I guess there is a connection/result in the above example. Because we...

usage

NICE Q!

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds But according to the PC motherboard, this RAM model should work!

@MARamezani Because of that the!

That the makes it definite, so we can't use the present perfect! (If I understand the grammar correctly)

Jim Reynolds

@Dam Did you try hitting it with a can of coconut milk?

Damkerng T.

Wait, hit my PC, or that sentence?

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. IT!

Damkerng T.

o_O

Jim Reynolds

4:46 PM

Ram the RAM

StoneyB

Al Gore has invented the internet! We are free to speak unintelligibly to the entire world!

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds If I hit them with a can of coconut milk...

Jim Reynolds

Spray it with . . . . Well, what do you have that's sprayable?

You'll have RAM ka gai?

Damkerng T.

I have a Foggy.

Jim Reynolds

O.0

Thank Heaven we don't have to smell it.

Damkerng T.

4:48 PM

@JimReynolds It's a spray bottle.

Jim Reynolds

But the poor cat!

Oh. Ok.

MARamezani

@JimReynolds But the poor neighbors!

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Q: Is Stack Overflow Evil?

I love Stack Overflow, and I wish a vast profit to the people who created it. But I worry about creating indispensible privately held repositories of knowledge. Google appears to be going evil. Facebook appears to have been evil from the start. What guarantees do we have that Stack Overflow wo...

discussion copyright creative-commons

Is Jimbie Evil?

o.0

Jim Reynolds

StoneyB has me tripping on the fuzziness of -ing forms.

Damkerng T.

Raymond Murphy... That name sounds so familiar... -- Oh, Murphy's Essential Grammar In Use!

Jim Reynolds

Verbal noun or nounal verb?

StoneyB

4:51 PM

Deverbal

Jim Reynolds

Imagine dancing wildly.

O.O

StoneyB

Or imagine wild dancing.

Jim Reynolds

It's animal, vegetable AND mineral.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Ah, wanted to read that some time...Or didn't I read it already? O.O

Scratching head

StoneyB

I am the very model of a modern major general.

MARamezani

4:53 PM

@StoneyB BTW who's in your user profile?

I mean the angry guy.

StoneyB

Samuel Johnson. I may swap him out someday for Bernard Shaw.

Or Friedrich Dürrenmatt.

MARamezani

Johnson? Did he look like that? Still scratching head

I saw him in the internet somewhere some time.

StoneyB

Yup. That's the Gilbert Stuart portrait.

Or part of it.

MARamezani

Oh, it is him.

google.com/…

StoneyB

You doubted me? You doubted me?

2

MARamezani

4:56 PM

@StoneyB How. Dare. Me/I/Whatever!

Damkerng T.

lol

MARamezani

Haaaaaah, feels good not to have snailor in the starred tab

You can take it like this: Tell everyone [who are] out there... — MARamezani 12 secs ago

Hmm, this is a reduced relative clause, right?

Right.

Man_From_India

@JimReynolds I found an answer that I was trying to say, but yes I was wrong. This answer addressed my confusion.

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Q: "Informing" — Gerund instead of Verb+Object?

I think if we take informing as a noun in this sentence, it should be fine. What are your views on the grammaticality of the following sentence? He left me without informing.

grammaticality gerund transitive-verbs intransitive-verbs

StoneyB

♫ For I myself have said it, And it's greatly to my credit ♫

MARamezani

@StoneyB No fair, how come your weird chars don't turn into squares?

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