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user55340
2:22 AM
Oh, boy... My father and I put in track lighting in the Kitchen. I put lux (hue lights that are just able to be dimmed - no color change) in them. Its really nice. The wiring otherwise would have been a mess.
 
user55340
The track is a 'U' shaped. 10 feet, 8 feet, 8 feet (this segment has yet to go up). With the hue lights, each light is independently controllable. I've got a Hue Tap (four button switch, doesn't use batteries or need to be wired - the press of the button is enough mechanical power to electrical to generate the wireless message of button press). One button does all on, and then each button does a 'turn off that section'.
 
user55340
There's also a timer that turns one of the lights on to 5% overnight as a night light (and off in the morning).
 
user55340
Now, picture the fun of wiring (and the light switches) three dimmers on track lighting (ignoring that I can dim individual lights on the track).
 
user15026
@MichaelT That sounds like the opposite of fun
 
user55340
Yea, the lights may cost $20 each (compared to about $10 for LED lights that are dumb)... but when you do the "I didn't have to rip out the wall and run wires"...
 
user55340
2:27 AM
Thats a huge time savings.
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
2:51 AM
we have some flat strips of LEDs in our kitchen attached to a PWM dimmer switch
I guess that's what you'd call track lighting
 
user55340
3:05 AM
 
user55340
 
user55340
 
user55340
(those pendants are going to be put on the track soon)
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
well, yeah. so ours are dumb
 
user55340
 
user55340
3:13 AM
@HotelCalifornia my brother uses the lights as a time device for his kids. Its hard to tell a 5 year or a 3 year old "go to bed at 7" because that doesn't have any bearing on life. On the other hand, "when the light turns green, its time to go to bed" has something they can see and understand.
 
user55340
And... if you need to, you can change the light yourself without them really realizing it.
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
haha, nice
 
user55340
(when school starts up next fall he's going to shift the clock from a summer time to a school time by a few minutes each day to get them back into sync with a school night cycle)
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
I could use that, lol
over winter break I became nocturnal
 
user15026
@MichaelT That's really smart.
 
user55340
3:24 AM
@AshleyNunn You can't do a "hey, its time to go to bed" at 5pm when normally its 7... thats too obvious. But you can do a "Lets just kick that up a few minutes tonight"
 
user15026
@MichaelT So smart.
 
user55340
The other bit is switching to summer schedule (let them go to bed at 8pm - its hard to keep them on a 7pm schedule when it does't get dark until late) to the school schedule. He's planning on having it go two minutes earlier each day through August.
 
user15026
That's pretty awesome, actually
 
user15026
Kids won't notice two minutes
 
user55340
3:40 AM
 
user55340
4:34 AM
 
Jude Niroshan
Jude Niroshan
6:52 AM
Easter Bunny Folks ?
 
 
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Duga
Duga
9:30 AM
I think you would be better served to ask your question in programmers.stackexchange.com where it would be more on-topic. — Sacho 47 secs ago
 
Duga
Duga
9:44 AM
A very interesting topic, but probably more suitable for programmers.stackexchange.com — Ruud 31 secs ago
 
 
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Duga
Duga
12:22 PM
Variations on this question have been asked and answered ad nauseum on Programmers.SE already. Best to close it here and let people use the search function on Programmers.SE. — Snowman 1 min ago
 
user114359
1:12 PM
@GlenH7 Is there a reason you did not VTC this question when you edited it an hour ago?
 
user114359
36
Q: Can non-IT people handle a wiki?

Andrew HeathMy company is looking to improve their market research data management. Current data management style: "Hey Jimbo, where's that picture of our WhatZit 2.0? "yeah I remember that email about that company from that guy, gimme a few minutes to search my Outlook" "who has the newest copy of the Im...

cms non-programmers wiki non-technical
 
durron597
durron597
1:25 PM
GOOD MORNING @durron597!! You forgot to do the thing you have to do manually when Friday is a holiday! TGIM!
 
user114359
I do believe you would get your ass kicked for saying that.
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user114359
 
durron597
durron597
@Snowman Indeed
 
Ampt
Ampt
Doing a project schedule today - "How many hours do you need ampt?"
..... all of them?
 
user114359
I'll have the project done by.... 2024.
 
Ampt
Ampt
1:30 PM
woah woah woah, lets not get ahead of ourselves
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
project scheduling is one of those increasing number of things that makes me consider starting my own company.
I mean, it seems neigh impossible that I could do much worse
 
enderland
enderland
1:48 PM
CA is weird
 
Ampt
Ampt
Not a King of the Hill fan but that's a pretty spot on assessment
 
durron597
durron597
 
user41796
2:07 PM
@Snowman 'cause I was still half-asleep and merely wanted to get rid of mediawiki
 
user114359
@GlenH7 ah, ok. I eventually voted anyway when I could not think of any redeeming qualities given how the on-topic standards changed in four years.
 
user41796
The other one that had the mediawiki tag was a blatant off-topic resource recommendation, so that was an easy VTC
 
user114359
Nice, looks like nothing has that tag so it will commit suicide in a day or two.
 
user41796
2:22 PM
This user appears to be the one that requested it and another user went ahead and created the tag. Fortunately, easy enough to rollback.
 
user41796
And my 30k user suggestions pushed me past 2k on MSE. Woohoo!
 
user114359
2:41 PM
Anyone here set up a build server for .NET, specifically ASP.NET?
 
durron597
durron597
2:54 PM
@GlenH7 I like the question bans suggestion a lot more than the close votes suggestion
I'm starting to think about my experience on other sites besides programmers; I think programmers has a much higher noise-to-signal than most other sites
I think programmers needs more CVs, but not SE wide
 
user114359
I think the scope of this site is difficult for some people to grasp
 
user114359
The real problem is that ours is one of the few professions that people can do in their spare time without any sort of license.
 
user114359
Any yahoo can download an OSS compiler, hack away, and release a crappy program.
 
user114359
Seems to me that most of the technology SE sites have high volume with a lot of dumb questions.
 
user114359
At the same time, there is also a lot of really good content, attracting people who know what they are doing, which is why these sites do not implode under the massive pressure of noob questions.
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
3:01 PM
you think this site has high noise? heheh
@Snowman - even if I did, I wouldn't admit to it.
 
durron597
durron597
@Telastyn Well, I suppose The Workplace is probably worse.
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
@durron597 - I'm thinking of other programmer sites
 
durron597
durron597
I guess I should offer the caveat that my only real experience is with SO, P.SE, and betas.
 
user114359
I specifically said that all technology sites have high volume and seem to have more dumb questions. SO obviously is king of the hill in that regard.
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
well that's my point "more dumb questions" compared to what?
there are absurdly low dumb questions here for the traffic.
 
durron597
durron597
3:06 PM
Wow. 6 delete votes
87
Q: How to learn Python: Good Example Code?

GoyuixI have been dabbling in Python for a couple months now, read the online docs/tutorial and started playing with Django a bit as well... and I feel like I am starting to leave my formative toddler years and ready for some more serious code. Most everything I see is generally encapsulated in a singl...

python
 
user114359
Compared to the non-tech SE sites I frequent.
 
Duga
Duga
3:28 PM
Might be a better fit for programmers.stackexchange.com — Moby Disk 1 min ago
 
durron597
durron597
I have a networking related problem that mostly affects ssh connections but is more likely to be networking related than unix/linux. Which SE?
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
isn't there a sysadmin?
 
durron597
durron597
This problem may be too basic for Network Engineering beta
Their chatroom is dead, so I can't ask them
 
user41796
What are you doing that's messing with SSH?
 
durron597
durron597
@Telastyn ha. You're funny
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
3:37 PM
sysadmin.SE I meant.
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 I've basically written up the question, I was gonna put it on *ix.SE but now I'm thinking SuperUser may be better
the question isn't advanced enough for ServerFault
all the machines involved are either *ix or cygwin
 
user41796
Some days I wonder if anything is advanced enough for SF anymore
 
durron597
durron597
Oh.
3
Q: Ssh connection freezes

blahbaaI have an old P4 system which is running Ubuntu 11.04. The machine is connected to the internet via a USB wireless adapter, and it has openssh installed, so I can connect to it from other computers in my network. My problem is, a few minutes after I connect to the machine via ssh, the ssh connect...

ssh wireless-router ubuntu-11.04
That popped up as I began to write the question on SuperUser
I bet there's some sort of keepalive on the firewall
Though that doesn't explain why my Netty connection drops out randomly 3-4 times per week
This is the post I was going to make and decided it was a dupe:
 
user41796
I wonder if the keepalive will take care of the netty issue
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 Well it has nothing to do with ssh
the netty issue
But I bet they've got a keepalive on one of the machines between me and them
 
user41796
3:46 PM
yep
 
durron597
durron597
they've got to. they're a hosting company, I'm sure people leave connections open all the time
Now that I'm thinking about it as something they may have configured intentionally instead of as a bug, I'm far less inclined to do something about it.
but my netty app sends a heartbeat very often
so that dropping out must be a different problem
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
Wow. Two answers equate "increment" and "iteration". They aren't the same thing.
 
durron597
durron597
@ThomasOwens link?
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
0
Q: What does "Increment" in Agile software development mean?

Khrystyna from UkraineI am reading book "Software Requirements" by Karl Wiegers. And here are such sentence "Project teams that build products incrementally by following an agile development process also need to understand the requirements that goin to each increment". What does Increment and Incrementally means?

software
 
durron597
durron597
They don't mean the same thing in the context of a development cycle?
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
3:52 PM
No.
 
durron597
durron597
They definitely don't mean the same thing in the context of a loop
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
You can be incremental without being iterative.
A Waterfall-with-Subprojects or some instances of Design-to-Schedule are incremental without being completely iterative.
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
sigh, I am a bad person. Making a property that does not act like a variable.
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
Iterative implies the whole process (requirements->design->implement/unit test->integrate and maybe ->release). Incremental just means adding on top of.
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Michael Durrant got it right in his comment below the question.
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
3:57 PM
Yes.
That's the definition of incremental. I think most incremental processes are also iterative, but it's not mandatory. Some of the answers go on about iterations.
 
durron597
durron597
What about Eric King's answer
 
user114359
Regarding that increment/iteration question: where is @gnat and his "on the troubles of naming" comment?
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@durron597 It's good. Could be a little more expansive, but it's correct. I just up voted.
@Snowman Why would that be necessary?
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
@Snowman Deservedly absent, though the question could be easily answered with a simple dictionary lookup.
 
user114359
@ThomasOwens I guess it is objectively answerable, but it seems like Google should be able to answer that question. In general, it seems to me that most "name this" or "what does this mean" questions get closed.
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
4:04 PM
The current consensus seems to be that questions about the well-known name of something are on-topic, whereas "suggest a name for this thing" questions are not.
 
user41796
^^^ This, yes.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
hey got my first 100 voted answer
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
Is it about monads?
And now, for today's random thought:
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Q: How can I tell the difference between a rabbit and a cat?

Chef_CodeI received a shipment of prefabricated skinned rabbit last week and the shipment seemed unusual, rabbits have a very close resemblance to a cat once there "hair" and skin has been removed. Is there a telltale sign that I working with a Bugs Bunny and not Sylvester? I have a suspicion that Elmer...

substitutions food-identification cut-of-meat butchering rabbit
Dammit. Comment oneboxing fail. Switching to manual override.
> Joe*'s friend killed his beloved cat and gave it to Joe, passing it off as rabbit. Joe served it to a doctor who complimented him on the "fine cat". According to the doctor rabbits have flat ribs, cats have round ones. So Joe murdered his friend, and thus met the protagonist.
 
user41796
9
A: How can I tell the difference between a rabbit and a cat?

StephieIn Germany we have an old (joking) saying that roughly translates to "head off, tail off - bunny", so your question is legitimate. But first things first: There is no health risk involved if you ate the latest shipment of "meowling rabbit". (To cat lovers everywhere: This is no endorsement, I hav...

 
user41796
Had to share that just for the opening quote...
 
whatsisname
whatsisname
4:12 PM
wow, a -13 accepted answer
24
Q: No social media profiles. Am I suspicious?

user33825I'm a recent university graduate looking for work. For privacy reasons, I have never registered in any of the social media sites under my real name. I cannot easily be found on Facebook/Twitter/Linkedin, there are no pictures of me on the Internet. I really want it to stay this way. Now almost ...

recruitment human-resources social-media
don't see that very often
 
user114359
From a 35k user, no less.
 
enderland
enderland
what kind of site would have that happen on... :P
 
Robert Harvey
Robert Harvey
How did we ever survive as a species without LinkedIn and Facebook? — Robert Harvey 10 secs ago
 
durron597
durron597
fascinating! I can't do scp user@site1.mydomain.com:/path/to/file anotheruser@site2.mydomain.com:/path/
I have to do two different commands
I wonder why
 
user41796
@durron597 Can only store one set of user credentials
 
durron597
durron597
4:16 PM
@GlenH7 That's not the error I got
I got "no route to host"
 
user41796
Hmmm
 
user41796
Not what I would have expected for an error
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 I don't much care, this was a one-off, not a script, I just thought it was interesting.
 
user41796
wash hands; walk away then. :-)
 
durron597
durron597
Maybe the problem is the reason I'm doing the command from neither the source nor the destination box
The two boxes can't see each other
but my desktop can see both
scp is probably trying to set up a direct connection and failing
 
Steven Burnap
Steven Burnap
4:37 PM
I wouldn't expect scp to be that smart. It seems like a bit of an edge case.
 
Steven Burnap
Steven Burnap
4:54 PM
Strange. On my Mac, talking to an AWS server, scp user@IP:/path/to/file user@IP:/path/to/file gives me a connection timeout. (trying to scp on a remote box to intself)
 
enderland
enderland
you get to use a mac at work?
lucky :)
 
Steven Burnap
Steven Burnap
Our division was run by a former Apple exec for a few years.
 
user114359
I actually reached my close vote limit for the day. I think I have had that happen only once before.
 
whatsisname
whatsisname
and it's only noon
 
enderland
enderland
you know it's monday when... SE is more exciting than work and you burn up CVs that early :P
 
user15026
5:07 PM
Well, didn't get any jobs out of last week's stuff, today's interview went as good as I usually think. I am not a fan of the hours, but it would work as a stop gap thing until I find soemthing more suited to me. (1230-9pm in a call center)
 
enderland
enderland
@AshleyNunn that's both a :( and a :) then?
and wow does that message look weird
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Not great but not horrific either
 
durron597
durron597
@Snowman I'm almost up to 200 CV reviews already
I'm coming for you thorsten muller
 
user41796
The more reviewers the better
 
durron597
durron597
I wish I could see where 197 or whatever falls in the "top reviewer" list
 
enderland
enderland
5:12 PM
 
durron597
durron597
@enderland Yes, I know, but it doesn't show me what my rank is
 
enderland
enderland
Not even close enough to make it ;)
 
durron597
durron597
@enderland just how many CVs I have. I know that too
Even when I pass thorsten muller I've still got a looooong way to go for the next spot
 
user114359
must... earn... fake internet points.... badges.... rep....
 
durron597
durron597
@Snowman omg are you a psychic?!?!?!
 
user15026
5:24 PM
@enderland Yeah, pretty much. The call center said they'd let me know tomorrow or Wednesday, at least. And nothing stops me from continuing to look :)
 
user15026
@GlenH7 it's money, I will take it for now for sure!
 
durron597
durron597
Anyone have any experience with snapper.io or a similar tool tha tthey like?
@Snowman gotta love when people put lots of work into editing a question that doesn't make it any less off topic
 
user114359
You found the edit I rejected?
 
durron597
durron597
@Snowman I also rejected it ;)
Came up in my queue too
Honestly we probably should have accepted it but unchecked the "this edit was helpful" box
 
user114359
I think "polishing a turd" should be a reason to reject an edit.
 
durron597
durron597
5:35 PM
@Snowman "All the work one cares to add will not turn a mud pie into an apple tart; it remains a mud pie, value zero." - Robert A. Heinlein
 
user114359
I actually feel a tiny bit sorry for the person who suggested the edit, it showed some effort but did not address the blatant off-topicness.
 
user114359
Some things get better with age. Wine, cheese, even raw meat (if dry aged properly). Apparently, candy Runts are not on that list.
 
Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa
@RobertHarvey like anything about monads would ever get +100... there's less than 100 people in the world who don't confuse monad with mohawk
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa a kid at the barbershop this weekend got the tightest mohawk. Looked sweet.
 
whatsisname
whatsisname
5:52 PM
why doesn't posting a question with the career-development just get it hellbanned
 
user114359
How about someone with direct SQL access mass-delete all of those questions and the problematic career tags?
 
user114359
Maybe certain tags should prevent the question from being asked. Make them show up in red. Meta uses different colors for tags, I know it is possible.
 
durron597
durron597
1050
Q: I'm graduating with a Computer Science degree but I don't feel like I know how to program

wp123I'm graduating with a Computer Science degree but I see websites like Stack Overflow and search engines like Google and don't know where I'd even begin to write something like that. During one summer I did have the opportunity to work as a iPhone developer, but I felt like I was mostly gluing tog...

education career-development
Why does this question have career-development?
 
Dogweather
Dogweather
Hard to imagine going into a CS major, never having programmed.
 
durron597
durron597
127
Q: Is there any way to get faster at solving bugs? I've just had a warning from my boss

BeeBandI've just been told by my boss that I will receive a negative performance review on Monday. He wants to talk to me about why I am so slow and why my bug fix rate is so low. I love programming and solving problems but I actually do find my job really really hard. I've actually been a programmer ...

career-development debugging bug
Also this one:
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Q: Why is the use of abstractions (such as LINQ) so taboo?

Matthew Patrick CashattI am an independent contractor and, as such, I interview 3-4 times a year for new gigs. I am in the midst of that cycle now and got turned down for an opportunity even though I felt like the interview went well. The same thing has happened to me a couple of times this year. Now, I am not a per...

.net career-development algorithms linq
I'm struggling to think of a question tagged career-development that is not either off topic nor shouldn't be tagged that
 
whatsisname
whatsisname
5:56 PM
@Dogweather: i've seen it plenty
 
user114359
If all of the questions with a specific tag are closed, does the tag go away like it does if there are no questions at all with that tag?
 
durron597
durron597
People who have been around awhile (@GlenH7 @MichaelT @ThomasOwens etc.) why hasn't career-development been blacklisted?
 
user41796
Blacklisting is reserved for egregiously bad stuff
 
user41796
Preference is to move everything off of the tag and let it die off
 
user41796
Unfortunately, there are some things in that tag that can't be (shouldn't be) nuked.
 
user41796
6:09 PM
So the tag persists
 
user114359
There are 53 pages of tags... wow. Many of those tags are worthless, too.
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 Is there such a thing as a historical significance tag?
 
user41796
Not to my knowledge no
 
user114359
 
user41796
@Snowman That looks like close & delete vote bait
 
user114359
6:16 PM
Not today, I used all of my CVs :-(
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@durron597 I know, I know. Need to write up my STCI Phase II Meta post. I forgot last weekend was Easter weekend.
This week or weekend, I hope.
 
durron597
durron597
0
Q: Mark a tag as a historical significance tag

durron597We already have tag blacklisting. That's great, and very useful. I would also like to have a related feature: marking a tag as "historical only". For example, on Programmers.SE, one of the custom close-reasons is for questions that are about career or education advice, salary, or compensation: ...

feature-request tags historical-lock
 
user41796
@durron597 T-minus 30 seconds until the first comment of "This is too specific to Progs...."
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 No way, other sites must have this problem
I just used progs as an example
 
user41796
Doesn't matter. Someone always thinks it's appropriate to say it
 
user41796
6:23 PM
I think this is too specific to SO/P.SE. — Scimonster yesterday
 
durron597
durron597
@GlenH7 Let's wait and see.
Anyway, if a question is too specific to n sites, n > 1, it's appropriate for MSE
 
user41796
I think you asked on the appropriate meta site. And I think it's a good question, so enjoy the 5 bits of unicorn poo.
 
durron597
durron597
Oh man, yes!
 
user41796
I'm just being bitter and cynical in pointing out the inevitable commentary.
 
durron597
durron597
-7
Q: Proposal to rename Community user

pizzaI feel that the word community is overused on Stack Exchange. There are community managers, community moderators, and Community user. And Community is a moderator, but not a community moderator (though some users call it such). Posts can be deleted by community, or they can be deleted by Com...

feature-request fun community-user
+1 from me. That's right, I did it
@GlenH7 Okay, you win
The main example you use of the career-development tag kind of falls short here in my opinion because that tag is not even blacklisted with the all caps don't use this tag warning. It looks like a regular tag to me. It even has some open questions in it (although a majority do seem to be closed or duplicates). Why not ask this on programmer's meta and burninate it or deal with the tag in that manner. The examples used here, in my opinion, seem like they should be dealt with in the context of Programmers, and not used as a generic template for the entire exchange. — Travis J 35 secs ago
 
user41796
6:29 PM
@durron597 You can't even put caps in a tag...
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
What's a good GUI element to display an array of complex things? For a 1D or 2D array of simple objects or primitives, a table works nicely. But if you have an array of complex elements (more than just a single data type), what would be good? A Card Layout with a panel and a panel for every element in the array and some kind of method (combo box tab, etc.) to select which element you're viewing?
 
durron597
durron597
@ThomasOwens Find your dumbest user and get them to design it
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
I tried that.
Very unresponsive.
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
material design ftw
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@HotelCalifornia For a desktop app? Yeah....no.
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
6:30 PM
eh, it could work
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
And it's nontrivial to implement.
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
I mean, you say 'card,' and I instantly think of material design
yeah okay, that's fair
#constructive
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
 
user114359
How do we blacklist a tag, anyway? @ThomasOwens, does a mod need to do it?
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@Snowman The CM team has to do it.
And it has to have 0 tagged questions for it to happen.
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
6:32 PM
oh. that doesn't really look like 'cards' to me, but okay
 
durron597
durron597
Yeah, I can't even imagine a question in the current P.SE form where that tag is appropriate
@ThomasOwens Not according to animuson
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@HotelCalifornia It doesn't look like cards, but it's like a deck of cards.
@durron597 Unless things have changed.
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
ah
 
durron597
durron597
This is actually how the tag blacklist already works. It only prevents new questions from getting the tag. It doesn't automatically burn it from all the existing questions. But from the tag wiki you linked: "Questions about developing one's career can be asked as long as they invite the unique insights of a programmer and are specifically about developing one's career as a programmer." It doesn't appear the tag is completely off-topic, just mostly. — animuson ♦ 5 mins ago
 
user114359
@durron597 sounds like someone needs to ask a Prog.SE.Meta question with a list of tags to blacklist.
 
user114359
6:34 PM
I vote for pretty much anything to do with careers, resumes, and education.
 
user41796
@Snowman - it doesn't remove because you could end up with untagged posts that way
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
Alternatively, add JPanels to a grid and add a scrollbar.
 
user114359
I am talking about blacklisting, so new questions cannot use the tags, according to that comment that @durron597 linked.
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
I think those are my two options: A scrollbar and panels so the GUI isn't too tall or a card layout with tabs or a combo box to select the item to view. I think I prefer the scrollbar.
 
durron597
durron597
@ThomasOwens I think you need to factor the amount of data that's going to go in the inner panels
you want to minimize clicking and drilling
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
6:37 PM
@durron597 Yeah. That's why I think the scrollbar is a good idea. Especially since I don't know how many there may be.
It's not likely to be a lot, but it could become unweildly for a combobox or a tab.
 
durron597
durron597
@ThomasOwens What I'm saying is, asking us for advice is unproductive because if I were faced with this exact problem, I would think about the underlying screen first before I worried about the selection / navigation process
so the only way I (we) can help you, IMO, is if you provide us all of that information
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
@durron597 The screen is the navigation process.
There's no distinction.
 
durron597
durron597
6:55 PM
@ThomasOwens Imagine you had a program that was allowed for really low level control of system devices and drivers
Top level: all the types of devices on your system
Second level: all the devices themselves
Third level: all the types of commands a device can receive
Fourth level: all the possible commands a device can receive
Let's say you built a GUI that uses a tree like navigation process, like regedit:
In theory, you could create an entire screen for every single command
Or, you could create an entire screen for every type of command, with multiple entries
Or, you could create an entire screen for the entire device, with multiple subwindows for the categorized types of commands
Or, you could create one huge screen that contains all the commands for every type of device on your system
All of these designs would WORK.
But you want to use your real estate efficiently. You want to put as much data on one screen as possible, without making the screen too busy as to be unintelligible
Because you ALSO don't want too much drilling
the first case is definitely too much drilling, each screen won't have much on it
the last case is definitely too busy.
However, (this is the important bit) a person has to understand the problem domain well in order to be able to answer your question
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
has anyone here used node.js?
 
Thomas Owens
Thomas Owens
Ah. I see what you mean. Yeah, it's only one level deep. It's just complex data. I think I've managed to make a sane UI. I'm going to throw some pictures at users and see if they respond to those.
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
7:12 PM
no. I've only seen snippets of it, vomited, and then moved on.
kinda like Rollercoaster Tycoon if you make the coasters too nauseating. People just paint the sidewalk looking at the things.
 
enderland
enderland
@HotelCalifornia very basic stuff with a coursera class for AWS examples....
 
Telastyn
Telastyn
also, I have like 4 questions out because nobody here seems to be able to respond to email/chat and they're not local enough for me to track them down bodily.
 
HotelCalifornia
HotelCalifornia
7:34 PM
ah, I was just wondering because it seems like the core modules aren't installing
 
Steven Burnap
Steven Burnap
7:52 PM
I have used node.js. Not a lot, though
 
user20683
likewise
 
user20683
I know SO has a JS chat
 
user20683
and probably a node specific chat
 
user20683
since node != client side JS
 
Steven Burnap
Steven Burnap
The web guys like it because they don't have to learn something different. I personally see no reason for it.
 
user20683
7:54 PM
@StevenBurnap I can see use cases where you need high response but aren't doing much in the way of actual computing
 
Steven Burnap
Steven Burnap
I didn't think it's performance was particularly great compared to other things. The places I've seen it used have had scaling problems.
 
user20683
@StevenBurnap I reminds me very much of some of the embedded software models I've seen and yeah, I agree it's no magic sauce
 
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