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12:12 AM
What is the macro to produce "thus" symbol (a triangle-like three dots)?
 
yo'
@pleasestopstalking \therefore
but if you write a math text, you shouldn't ever need it
 
@yo' Thanks very much. :-)
 
 
7 hours later…
6:56 AM
@ChristianHupfer Morgähn
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A: Problem with formatting two tabulars and long caption in table*

Christian HupferThe cause of the strange horizontal spacings seems to be the assymmetric filling of the table cells -- \resizebox exaggerates the vertical lines widths/dots size. I tried to 'improve' the tabular usage and suggest to wrap the layout in an outer tabular. The caption should be used with a [] a...

 
@LaRiFaRi: Ja? ;-)
 
the first \tabularnewline has to go away. This gives a too big vertical space. Without it, it is just perfect. (loading caption of course)
the tables in your MWE are now both set flush left.
both boxes are centered, but the tables are not
I really do not understand this, but just to let you know
 
@LaRiFaRi: Well, the first \tabularnewline is 'correct' for spacing unless caption package is not used, in my point of view (no information on this ... by the OP)
 
it gives bigger spacing than in his example
 
@LaRiFaRi: The resizeboxes are wrong in my point of view.
 
6:58 AM
thats why I wondered...
@ChristianHupfer yeah, no idea what he wants with those...
 
@LaRiFaRi: I could have used \tabularnewline[some value]...
 
I just had a look on your example with lua-visual-debug and wanted to let you know, that the error is not gone but just almost disappears due to the wider tabulars you have typed
Just do ` \begin{tabular}{|l*{4}{|r}|}
& a & b & c & d &
\end{tabular` for the second table
 
@LaRiFaRi: Actually, I have the impression too from looking on the output, that's not completely centered... I think, I should delete my answer. It's no solution at all
 
@ChristianHupfer leave it with some side note, that we still need that MWE...
his broken caption sounds strange, too
 
@LaRiFaRi: Just deleted it, will try to improve it
 
7:02 AM
@ChristianHupfer thank you. Sorry for noting :-) I am pedantic....
lua-visual-debug... great stuff!
 
@LaRiFaRi: I kicked out the resizeboxes and added a normal \LARGE for the corresponding 'sub'tabular ... it looks better
@LaRiFaRi: Thank you in return ;-)
 
I have the solution
@ChristianHupfer some (damn) percent signs missing
 
@LaRiFaRi: Just seen it... looks nice!
 
@ChristianHupfer thanks. This was a really mean error. Hard to find. I hope such stuff gets consistens in LaTeX3
@ChristianHupfer I made that error several times already, that's why lua-visual-debug is a life saver for me and always present.
 
7:19 AM
@LaRiFaRi: If LaTeX3 will get ever released ;-) @JosephWright :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes, I know
 
How bad to remind him in the middle of the night... 8:20
@JosephWright oh, good moring. There he is
morning
 
@LaRiFaRi: There are three weapons to stir up @JosephWright: 1st ... A reference to Monty Python, 2nd ... mock him about LaTeX3 3rd.... link a 'spam' post in here ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer :-)
 
@LaRiFaRi: 8:20 o'clock is not 'middle of the night' in central europe... :D
 
7:24 AM
looks dark to me
but ok, there is some kind of sun coming up right now
I have to work... Good day to all of you
 
@LaRiFaRi: See you... have a nice day
 
thanks
 
 
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8:41 AM
Good morning
 
@ChristianHupfer Hi!
 
@PauloCereda: I've done my good thing today... I mocked @JosephWright about the release date of LaTeX3 ... my work is done for today :-P
@PauloCereda: And hello to the bee-like duke ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I hope we both get to TUG2015 so I can return the 'favour' :-)
 
@JosephWright: I am already 'scared' ;-)
 
@JosephWright Me too. :)
 
9:01 AM
@ChristianHupfer @JosephWright has only delayed it for a decade or so, some of us have delayed it for much longer than that.
 
@JosephWright: Well, seriously spoken, I won't have the opportunity to attend TUG 2015, most probably. I am considering to apply for a position as 'supervisor' for student teachers in Mathematics at a local seminar institution for teachers and this a very long application run... multiple steps/hurdles must be jumped over, finally ending in some hot phase sometimes around 20th of july
@DavidCarlisle: Act of sabotage? ;-)
@PauloCereda: Rumours has it, that there are some ... looking carefully around ... TeX fundamentalists sabotaging any development in TeX towards LaTeX3 ;-) Don't spread this message around!!!!! Don't!
 
9:17 AM
@JosephWright If my reading of the lua is right we only clean the test directory at the start of the tests, if I put checkengines = {"xetex","etex"} in either order, the second one fails tlb0027b as it picks up the earlier toc file so effectively has three runs and takes 2 pages rather than 1.
 
@egreg: @David got the tick for suggesting grep against our script. :)
 
@PauloCereda quite right too
 
@PauloCereda A case of premature ticking
Or acceptatio praecox, as the Romans would have said.
 
@Johannes_B: "Du you want...." ...Du?????
 
@ChristianHupfer ¿Que?
 
9:23 AM
@Johannes_B: Your comment
 
@Johannes_B He's from Barcelona? :)
 
@ChristianHupfer I fear you have to be a little bit more precise.
 
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Q: page number, bookmark number, do not match

AlejandroGood day people, Today, I was wondering how to correlate the bookmark numbering with the table of contents. As the attached picture shows, the Titulo and Declaracion share the same number page at the bookmark part. In the documento, Declaracion correspond to i (Roman number for one). I have try ...

@PauloCereda: Looking for the Generalissimo :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh, du you want? :-)
 
@Johannes_B: Yes, Du you want.... :-P
 
9:25 AM
@ChristianHupfer If @AdamLiter won't do it, i'll revide the english language. ;-)
 
@Johannes_B: I am looking forward for your upcoming redefinition and "Johannes B's New Exciting Grammar of the even more exciting New English" ;-) Can I have a signed copy? :D
@PauloCereda: There's too much butter on those trays... No, senor, it's un, dos, tres :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Is that a sewuel to Hachie's Buch der Weisheiten?
 
@ChristianHupfer Yay for a gentleman that spots my reference! <3
 
Mei Junge, wennde ä Mädl hast, und die hat ä Gesicht wie ä Pfund Hackfleesch, dann lass das mal lieber.
 
@Johannes_B: That's only a duplicate of "Christian Hupfers Buch der Weisheiten" ... plagiator:-P
 
9:29 AM
@ChristianHupfer Wennde ä Baby aufm Arm hast, s ganz wichtig; Nich fallen lassen.
 
@PauloCereda: That one was too easy :-P ... By the way, don't mention the war!
 
@ChristianHupfer LOL one of the best episodes. I love the major and the talking moose. :)
 
I demand the closing of Hachie's "Buch der Weisheiten" as a duplicate of my "Buch der Weisheiten"... immediately..... Come on, come on (Read/sound like John Cleese!!!!)
@PauloCereda: When I was a teenage boy I found Polly really cute :D
 
@ChristianHupfer She's very cute indeed. :) I think I read it somewhere, when John Cleese and Polly wrote the second series, they were already divorced.
 
@PauloCereda: Yes, I read that too... it seems to be true
 
9:33 AM
@ChristianHupfer Fawlty Towers is gold.
 
@PauloCereda It is, but in present company don't mention the...
 
@PauloCereda: Fawlty Towers? I only know Fatty Owls ... or F.... Towels :D
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh what if we do the funny walk for them? :)
 
@DavidCarlisle True: I guess we can adjust l3build
 
@DavidCarlisle: I can stand such jokes :D
 
9:37 AM
@JosephWright could you normalise the "FF range to ^^ab at same time? would remove a lot of the diffs.
 
@DavidCarlisle We want to normalise "10 to "FF, yes?
@DavidCarlisle UTF-8 to escaped or the other way around?
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh, ducking hell .... Leute was what i just said to latex-community.org/forum/…
 
@JosephWright I think so probably easiest to use ^^ to keep the logs ascii as far as possible
 
@DavidCarlisle OK
 
@JosephWright 80 to FF not 10 to FF though
 
9:41 AM
@DavidCarlisle Ah right
 
@Johannes_B: Looks like Navier-Stokes equations in a rotating frame of reference... Have fun :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh, putting it in a code environment and preserving linebreaks ... turns out this were just 14 lines of code.
 
@JosephWright I think I might do the change to the allocation counts as well, in the spirit of removing engine differences.
 
@DavidCarlisle Cool
 
@JosephWright since I can say I've had no negative comments on the suggestion:-)
 
9:51 AM
@DavidCarlisle Only joined the team in 2009 ;-)
@DavidCarlisle I'll see if I can sort the normalisation stuff. My plan is that there will be an l3build and expl3 release around the same time as the LaTeX2e update as there are things to 'match up'.
 
@JosephWright thanks
 
10:04 AM
@Johannes_B: And now solve the equations :D
 
10:45 AM
@yo': Tom, what do I have to do in the vim.sx site? There's not button for me to ask questions. :(
 
@PauloCereda It's presumably following the normal vi user interface guidelines
 
@DavidCarlisle booo
 
11:01 AM
@Johannes_B thanks for the pointer. I added an answer.
 
@PauloCereda: Press q! continously on that site ... :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer But you have to press esc, : before that otherwise nothing happens and you screen fills up with ~
 
@DavidCarlisle: I know, but I've just forgotten .. :D But the other way round: q! looks nice on the vim screen :D
 
I want to join the vim site and ask:
Nov 13 '14 at 10:20, by David Carlisle
Apr 12 '13 at 16:40, by David Carlisle
user image
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@DavidCarlisle: That would be one of the 100000000 duplicates there then :D
 
11:09 AM
@DavidCarlisle Do it! :)
@DavidCarlisle Normal mode. :)
 
@PauloCereda I will, as soon as I find the stack exchange ask a question button
 
I am off, paying a visit to my father... Have a nice time
 
@ChristianHupfer Have a nice day!
 
11:29 AM
tests
 
@Ramanewbie we don't have mathjax here if that is your question:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle what makes you think that ?
 
@Ramanewbie people who post math in $ and then remove it are 99 times out of 100 seeing if it renders as mathematics as it does on math.stackexchange. So it was worth a guess:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle On chat it's down to whether you have an small add-on script installed/active. So what you see depends on who you are!
 
@DavidCarlisle $$\LaTeX$$
^^ we are in the money, we are in the money!
 
11:38 AM
@DavidCarlisle well maybe I'm part of the 1% people who don't...
 
E.g. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/19677346#19677346 (spotted quickly in math chat room) shows as code to me but probably not to the person posting
@Ramanewbie What were you after then?
 
@JosephWright Real money? :)
 
@JosephWright I just put it in the wrong room... e__e
 
@Ramanewbie :-)
@JosephWright ah well yes some people have mathjax addons that work anywhere on the internet, but that doesn't count:-)
@PauloCereda fail:
! You can't use `\spacefactor' in display math mode.
\@->\spacefactor
                 \@m
l.7 $$\LaTeX
            $$
?
 
@DavidCarlisle No money. :(
People, does CGPA mean something important?
 
11:55 AM
@PauloCereda Cumulative Grade Point Average?
Hello, btw! :-)
 
@PaulGessler Yep. I'm analysing a proposal for a friend of mine. :)
@PaulGessler hi! :)
 
I'm off to catch the bus. Have a nice day everyone; maybe I'll be back later to come up with vim questions for David to ask. ;-)
 
@PaulGessler Have a great day!
 
@PauloCereda If you'd have gone \mbox{$$\LaTeX$$} you'd have been rich
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
12:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle With latest updates 15 test failures with XeTeX, still 134 with LuaTeX
 
yo'
@PauloCereda The site has not been created yet. Once it's created, it'll be in Private Beta for 7 days and only the committed users will be able to participate. This is to create the minimum necessary amount of question so that it doesn't look empty. Then it'll go in Public Beta. You'll get a mail once this happens ;)
 
@yo' Ah I see.
 
@JosephWright ah you've updated l3build? will re-install
@JosephWright OK re-installed build and running xetex/xetex will see what I get:-)
 
12:37 PM
@JosephWright \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} I suspect that there isn't time to finalise a design of that that works, so we should just check in whatever nonsense xetex makes as the etex tlg for those cases.
s/ etex/ xetex/ in the above
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle the [A-Za-z]*tex namespace is sooooo crowded that it doesn't allow any typos :)
 
@yo' that's ok I never make typos
 
1:09 PM
@ChristianHupfer That looks like something they found on the ship in Roswell.
 
1:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, quite possibly
@DavidCarlisle LuaTeX issues a mix of things, I see
 
@JosephWright I skipped luatex, just ran xetex and etex and looking now (when not eating:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah
 
@JosephWright tlb1816 so chardef of \AA is 197 in classic tex (in particular fam 0) so you get no ^^c5 in cmr10 but in xetex it's 29125 and you get no ^^c5 in cmmi10 feature or bug (and where do they get set these days?)
 
@DavidCarlisle A few of the XeTeX failures are to do with T1 versus UC encoding. Wondering what to do here: 'in the wild' any XeTeX (or LuaTeX) users will see the failing behaviour but then they really shouldn't be doing \usepackage{t1enc} or really even \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
@DavidCarlisle Looking at those now ^^^
 
@JosephWright yes it's difficult. Can make that work actually but I don't know if we should, or should by TL2015
 
1:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle Exactly: making it 'work' would actually be breaking what people are using in reality
@DavidCarlisle Perhaps the team should have taken a bit more notice of Unicode engines a few years ago :-)
 
@JosephWright well not necessarily
 
@DavidCarlisle Happens due to ltunicode.ltx
 
@JosephWright so I suspected:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Testing with TL2014 XeLaTeX:
Missing character: There is no Å in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no Å in font cmmi10!
Missing character: There is no Å in font cmmi10!
 
@JosephWright yes it's not changed but...
 
1:47 PM
i.e. what we now get ignoring normalisation
 
@JosephWright inputenc and fontenc not really changed since 1994 and we couldn't have taken notice then
 
@DavidCarlisle Wanted to be sure I'd not messed up in ltunicode :-)
@DavidCarlisle Understood: there was a smiley there
@DavidCarlisle I mean only that we have no real position on this or at least have not had one, and so other people have naturally reacted in their own way. See for example EU1, EU2 which I think should both be UC.
 
@JosephWright yes but comment is probably true in that if we'd done this earlier we could have made things more gradual and had less legacy problems
 
@DavidCarlisle Doesn't actually produce any output with pdfTeX, so it's not that much of an issue in a practical sense (you have to fix a document of this form whatever!)
@DavidCarlisle Also understood
 
@JosephWright svn commit them all and the problems miraculously vanish
 
1:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
@DavidCarlisle Question is what is 'right' here. For example, with tlb2203 there are chars printed by pdfTeX that don't appear with XeTeX/LuaTeX, but then the test uses inputenc which means there's an error in any case with a newer engine.
@DavidCarlisle So what is 'right'? Fix inputenc and test again, accept that the docs have to be modified, say that TL have things wrong about default codes for the format, ...?
 
@JosephWright when we just modified inputenc not to do completely the wrong thing for utf8 in xetex last time it was months of calming down public worries that we'd break everything. I suspect leaving inputenc alone this time is the thing to do, there will be enough worries about the other things..
 
2:49 PM
I love this episode, specially the singing dinosaurs. :)
 
3:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle Fine with me
@PauloCereda :-)
 
3:14 PM
@DavidCarlisle there isn't a vim site yet.
 
@Johannes_B: What looks like something found in Roswell? ... The truth is out there :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Follow this little crooked arrow to the left of the message you are referring to. ;-)
@ChristianHupfer And thanks for waking me up. Sitting in the library, almost fell asleep.
 
@Johannes_B: I followed the message in my inbox and did not search in between :-P
@Johannes_B: Two good deeds a day :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Wanna know what i just thought about the cute girl sitting two tables in front of me?
 
@Johannes_B: I was almost 4 hours away from TeX.SX and no new unanswered questions since then? :-(
@Johannes_B: Hell no... I am an innocent man :-P
 
3:26 PM
@ChristianHupfer For the record, it was och Mädel, Gott bist du dürre. Du musst mal was essen Did that hurt your innocence?
 
@Johannes_B: No, not really... Let me make an educated guess: You offered her some of your Liver puree.... a liver steak ..... baked liver with beans .... fried liver ... cooked liver with noodles.... ?
 
@ChristianHupfer I didn't do anything?
 
@Johannes_B: If there's any girl to be too slim .... call Liver Man, your nourishment advisor
 
@ChristianHupfer She looks really innocent, like a busy learner. Not painted with makeup and flitter and tinsel like many other girls. I like that.
 
@Johannes_B: Don't tell that to me... tell the girl ;-)
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Q: What is the difference between pdf "print ready" and just straight pdf?

user24039I am about to get a book printed and the term: "pdf print ready" has come up. How is this different from an ordinary pdf file?

Look at the comments :D
 
3:35 PM
@ChristianHupfer Most of the time i am looking very stern (espeacially when the topic is templates) and i wear a black shirt with SECURITY printed on the front. I look as if i could barely read.
 
@Johannes_B: You should not wear a shirt with "I like LaTeX" on it ... it could be misunderstood :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer btw, not to mention my UVEX class 3 safety boots. I probably look like i could destroy the world ... with the blink of the eye ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer it could be anything, really: fonts embedded, color spaces, bleeds, etc.
 
@PaulGessler: Yes... you are right. The OP should provide more information
 
Gut reaction given the phrasing of the question is: off-topic. But if the OP can edit into some specific requirement he/she is having trouble meeting, it could become on-topic. ;-)
 
3:42 PM
@PaulGessler: Yes, it's too early to cast a close vote
 
@paul @christian I left a comment as well.
 
Does anyone know an environment called vwcol ???
 
@PaulGessler: too easy :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer :-)
 
3:51 PM
@Johannes_B I got the ping. :)
 
@PauloCereda Ah, i keep doing that. Sorry buddy :-)
 
4:19 PM
@PauloCereda doesn't like accidental pings
Do you @PauloCereda?
@FaheemMitha yes but @PauloCereda has already signed up to show interest in one (area 51)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I saw the site proposal. It's going through commit right now, at approximately 200 miles an hour. Will probably reach 100% in the next day, if not before.
 
@DavidCarlisle: a vi.sx site?
 
@ChristianHupfer yes
 
yo'
17 hours ago, by yo'
Please, anybody interesting in participating in the announced vim.SE site, you can use this link to commit to the site (commitment means you promise to ask or answer 10 questions within 3 months from the site's creation): http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/80441/vi-and-vim?referrer=AuXaas64fLrn‌​ou2V41ekZw2
 
@yo' So it's happening?
 
4:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle: I want to cite one of Britain's greatest authors: Love's Labour's lost ;-)
 
yo'
@JosephWright well, yes.
@PaulGessler Thanks for boosting my commitment :)
 
@yo' yw! :-) That reminds me, I need to get some questions/answers together for [engineering] which is in private beta atm.
 
yo'
@PaulGessler well, it's good to post some in private beta too, but also quite important to continue in public beta!
 
4:40 PM
@egreg: I was hoping Palmeiras would return this beautiful maglia: images.centauro.com.br/900x900/7512052R/… :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Lots of long lines?
 
There's a little Italian flag with the inscription: Avanti Palestra! Scoppia che la vittoria è nostra!
 
@JosephWright not so many now:
$ grep -c Overfu `grep -l Overfu *log`
doc.log:1
ltoutput.log:61
utf8ienc.log:21
 
@DavidCarlisle Have you already committed to the vim site?
 
@PauloCereda no
 
4:58 PM
@PauloCereda Nice
 
5:09 PM
@JosephWright I added a Plain TeX solution to the permutation problem. ;-)
 
5:24 PM
Cool
 
 
1 hour later…
6:47 PM
@JosephWright it's running, have I broke something?
 
@DavidCarlisle I love them!
@DavidCarlisle I love them!
@DavidCarlisle Did I? Oh I did! :)
 
@PauloCereda I have sound off
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh.
 
@PauloCereda how's the interview?
 
@DavidCarlisle barbara's hands. :) She has the final word. I already have a draft ready to go in the blog. :)
 
6:50 PM
@PauloCereda she's bound to find something, if only a capital letter
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- more likely a bunch of missed punctuation, and more emoticons than she figures are necessary. (brevity is the soul of wit, i believe someone said.) and checking links, and finding paulo's "first" and "favorite" questions and answers. besides, paulo's script rather trashed my first attempt at editing, so it needs to be checked again. real soon now -- we're expecting snow this weekend, so a good time to look at stuff on paper.
 
@barbarabeeton oops didn't know you were here. Hello:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- and now that i've read it, i'm more sorry than ever that on the day of the event, i had other commitments. i really wanted to be there to "raise sand".
@DavidCarlisle -- hello to you too. got to watch out for lurkers.
 
@barbarabeeton you squares all look alike, it's easier to recognise ducks and people
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7:02 PM
@DavidCarlisle -- well, a quick mouse-over will tell you who's hiding behind a square. i've contemplated posting a picture of my hat, but i think remaining semi-anonymous lets me hide better from people like you. <smirk> (will you ever come to another tug meeting?)
 
@barbarabeeton I apologize for my script. That teaches me to not solve things with regex.
@barbarabeeton I heard Joseph will lure the whole L3 team to Darmstadt. :) And there's a remote possibility of me attending it as well. :)
 
@PauloCereda -- no apology needed. i've been faced with worse. (at least the result is in an encoding that emacs can cope with, and the language is one that i can read. and i know enough to save backups. been there, done that.)
 
@barbarabeeton :) At least vim and emacs are cooperating. :)
 
7:46 PM
@PauloCereda never!
 
@PauloCereda: Best of 'both' worlds :D
One for our LaTeX3/xparse experts:
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Q: Conditional code based on token

WernerThis is a follow-up question to Xparse Adding backslash after each command. xparse allows for conditional tokens to be inserted into the parameter text for a macro using the t<token> directive (from the documentation: t An optional <token>, which will result in a value \BooleanTrue if <token>...

 
8:03 PM
@ChristianHupfer what's LaTeX3?
@ChristianHupfer ah that one I could answer:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle: Some strange stuff... a rumour.... a fantasy :-P
 
8:46 PM
 
@Johannes_B: LC?
 
@ChristianHupfer goLaTeX
 
@Johannes_B: Nope, StayTeX.SX ;-)
 
@christian Can someone give me some Tex/Latex code so the output is ok in pdf.
 
@Johannes_B I always give up when people mispell LaTeX. :)
 
9:04 PM
@Johannes_B: Provided a 'basic' non-tikz 'solution' to the 'knowledge' question :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Try a raisebox and align the stack with the baseline, might look better.
@ChristianHupfer Never used the package, but can you make the Striche thicker and less spaced?
 
@Johannes_B: It was the second time I used it :-D
 
@ChristianHupfer The doc looks promising. :-)
@ChristianHupfer So the - isn't some kind of meta symbol, it really is just a hyphen :-D
 
@Johannes_B: KIS .. keep it simple :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Have you seen tex.stackexchange.com/questions/224408/…?
 
9:13 PM
@Johannes_B: Yes... why?
 
@ChristianHupfer Consider this a good question?
Like cave man in here :-/ Do you consider that a good question?
@joseph Since Writelatex rebranded to overleaf, i guess we should create a new tag overleaf and the corresponding synonym? Raise it on meta?
 
@Johannes_B: I have not really thought long on that question... I will return to it
 
9:34 PM
To be quite honest, the idea of putting rules to indicate a level of knowledge in a CV would have never occured to me.
@PauloCereda the linked LyX question above where i suggested breaklines ... this seems to be a screenshot of the code.
 
Look at the example citation of a “music” piece! Oh, dear!
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Q: Using bibtex, how do I cite a musical composition?

CharlesHolbrowFor example S. Reich. It’s Gonna Rain. 1965.

 
9:55 PM
Bus driver just stopped at McDonald's... 0.o :-)
 
@PaulGessler you are making @egreg jealous
 
@PaulGessler My train never stops at McDonald's. And there's good wine on it. ;-)
 
10:21 PM
@JosephWright did you address the toc problem, as I still see tlb0027b fail?
 
@DavidCarlisle Not yet: I need to give it a bit of thought (see check-in then back-out today!)
@DavidCarlisle Will sort over the weekend certainly
 
@JosephWright ah Ok I thought so but just checking:-0
 
@DavidCarlisle Had a mail from Morten :-)
> How's l3output coming along?
 
@JosephWright I got bored and left it for a bit, tomorrow probably:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
10:23 PM
any thoughts on fontenc re-asserting the T1 lccodes?
 
@DavidCarlisle Am just reading your mail now (been travelling to home (Northampton) from work (Norwich))
 
It's not a fully formed plan, just part of my general feeling that we should make more "traditional" documents just work.
 
@egreg I wish I could get wine on the bus!
 
@DavidCarlisle I do understand the point
@DavidCarlisle I think you are probably right: loading an encoding file should deal with all of the possible input, or at least that bit not in the ASCII range
@DavidCarlisle On a modern system the time required is more-or-less zero
 
@egreg McWine. :)
@PaulGessler or a Big Mac. :)
 
10:38 PM
@JosephWright the reason for not doing it at the time wasn't time but concerns over changing encoding mid-paragraph, but while you may switch between cyrillic and latin 8bit encodings, it seems that switching between unicode and 8bit is sufficiently rare that we should be able to do something, and anyway just having one fixed set of lccodes isn't really an option anyway so teh mid-paragraph case will just have to be dealt with as pragmatically as possible...
 
@DavidCarlisle It's Spanish. :) Don't look at me. :)
 
@PauloCereda Argentina. You're the closest
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh no!
 
@PauloCereda It's tough having to take responsibility for a whole continent:-)
 
@PauloCereda Horror! This is the brand of wine they serve: berlucchi.it/home/index-en
 
10:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle Largest country in Latin America. What language is Latin America usually referred? Spanish.
@egreg Is it very bad? Thankfully I've never seen one of these. :)
 
@PauloCereda That's a very famous brand of wine; it's the one I drink on the train. Surely not at McD.
 
@egreg Cool! :) I thought those were served in McD. :) I've never seen one of these around; I will buy a bottle when I have the chance. :)
 
11:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle Fixed
 
@JosephWright ah thanks. So should I add luatex back or should we concentrate on xetex and than worry about luatex after the binaries are updated?
 
@DavidCarlisle I'd leave LuaTeX for the moment: the important diffs here will be common to XeTeX/LuaTeX
@DavidCarlisle I now have a new issue to think about (we have a couple of .bbl files that are 'fixed' and I have to work out how to preserve)
 
@JosephWright that was my thought too. so I'll leave it out. xetex diffs all seem understandable even if it isn't definite what we should do about them, which is pretty good considering.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes
@DavidCarlisle Have a plan for the new issue I've created :-)
 
@JosephWright you mean vlatex01.bbl ? what goes wrong, oh you mean you clear them out now along with the toc?
 
11:19 PM
@DavidCarlisle My plan currently is simply to move files 'out of the way', but I also need to make sure they are not 'fixed' support files. Give me two mins!
@DavidCarlisle Should be sorted
@DavidCarlisle Should be down to 14 failures
 
11:40 PM
@JosephWright ok updated l3build and running check in base.....
 

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