Root Access - 2015-01-11

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12:00 AM

Just for giggles, I plugged the drive into my hard drive dock to see what would happen

The head kept making these "beeping" noises

I'm shooting a video of this and will upload it to YouTube

@Psycogeek you could say. the public profile should really have more private scope if anything

really public/private profiles are about profiles not scope. You can in theory have a public profile with rules with whatever scope

Yea how :-) useful. when on public there is still remote desktop, the profiles set whatever microsoft deemed them to be needed when applying them. (or however the user or admin would also want to)

12:17 AM

for the most part the direct sharing of your stuff, and complete administration of the computer are off (firewalled different) when using the public profile.

(cripes 5 edits later and it is still spelled wrong)

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ftfy

hm. I'm tempted to pull my 3tb drive to test since I'm actually rather confused to whether they will actually work as a data drive on a pre uefi system

12:35 AM

I think UEFI only assisted in the ability to boot to them. it is the GPT thing that allowed them to be huge?

We had 2+T drives before uefi, both internal and external.

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yup.

Also OS support

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3:14 AM

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It wasn't even raining and booooy am I muddy :p

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3:40 AM

lick it off :-)

> Got a speaker on my bench one day that was marked "smoke came out" on a piece of tape with sharpie. Sent it back out (after repairs) with a new piece of tape that read "refilled smoke. Unit functions as normal".

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lol

4:11 AM

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Toshiba Laptop Hard Drive by FieryDragonLord, on Flickr

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5:11 AM

@Bob that seems familiar, where's that from?

5:26 AM

@JourneymanGeek currently lost in Daiso :P

Do you have a photo of the good headphones?

Were they in-ear? Were they retractable?

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Oh, in ear

one moment

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Thanks

:/ can't seem to find any

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Same problem I have ;p

5:42 AM

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I'll probably clear them out next time I see them ;p

the only advantage of being a big dog, don't you agree @jou?

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@Braiam: :/

is it a bad thing I'm watching a TV show, and thinking their tactics suck? ;p

Animal Convention :D

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NOW they want to disable the weapon.

5:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek mmm?

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Thats the first thing you do

(avatar Legend of korra. ;p)

if Soka is involved, they may very well just trow the thing from a high place

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Soka died ;p

But close enough

there was an if there, not very big but it was there :/

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(eh, this is set when all the last airbender charecters are REALLY old or dead ;p)

6:44 AM

@JourneymanGeek Reddit

reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2ryrgu/…

Hm. snopes.com/travel/airline/squawk.asp

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sparkfun.com/products/retired/10622

@JourneymanGeek Didn't find any of the keyboards :(

Must've been too late

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:(

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8:12 AM

you guys might want to close this one fast superuser.com/q/863308/235569

8:22 AM

I was going to put in a Relative Help center link that would say something like "Product and shopping questions are taken out back and shot" , so where the F--- is that stated superuser.com/help/dont-ask <--- If products&services is a big No No, then why isnt it the first thing in the NO list?

Seriously if you have not showed up at this site before (because it is 1-in-thousands of sites that have forums and questions stuff) these "help" pages and the tour stuff are essoteric , eccentric , as if the persons have already been here done that, and just are not doing it well.

The shit has probably been re-written and hashed over by people who comprehend every aspect of it. But has it ever been re-written to be mindnumbingly stupid and to the point ?

esoteric (ès´e-tèr´îk) adjective
1. a. Intended for or understood by only a particular group: an esoteric cult. See synonyms at mysterious. b. Of or relating to that which is known by a restricted number of people.
2. a. Confined to a small group: esoteric interests. b. Not publicly disclosed; confidential.

Well i did not spell it right :-) but at least it actually was the right word

8:54 AM

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There I feex :-)

9:22 AM

@JourneymanGeek Daiso Platinum rollerballs:

> Caution: Only use for writing

...as opposed to?

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Things other than writing?

...for example?

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Daiso instructions tend to be chinglish/japlish comedy gold.

:P

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Stabbing people?

roller blading?

Essential structural elements in bridges?

Nuclear reactor control elements?

9:24 AM

O_O that's the biggest glob of sealant I've ever seen on a pen

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I thought the daiso platinum pens used the same carts?

Granted, I've only seen FPs, Brush Pens and highlighters

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@JourneymanGeek It's a rollerball.

Speaking of, I need to get a rollerball that takes FP ink sometime.

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ahh completely different.

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Q: My acer aspire wont turn on

"Hi. I replaced my acer aspire screen and after that my laptop wont turn on. And I think is not charging because the charging light won't turn on. I need help please."

seems spammy?

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Plausibly

closed for unclear what you're asking

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1:32 PM

hm

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Q: Please help urgently need upgrading PC

I'm new to this site but hopefully someone can help me out. Basically my computer system is now 3 years old and i thought it's time to upgrade since the programs that I use now my computer can hardly handle. Programs I use: Keyshot 5 Revit 3DS Max Sony Vegas 10 AutoCad ...

If it weren't off topic, looks like fun ;p

(Not to mention his system looks decent, and least on par with an older graphics workstation setup)

Now I'm curious how different a workstation GPU is from a gaming one.

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2:09 PM

looks like fairly similar to mainstream cores, with some software/driver/firmware changes

hm, maybe not on the higher end 0_0. there's models with 8/12gb of graphics ram

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4:45 PM

Just enabled Secure Boot

Not sure why it was not working as shipped

I don't intend to install an alternate OS at this time, and it isn't hard to disable it if necessary

That should provide an extra layer of malware protection

I know certain Linux distributions are set up to work with Secure Boot and the default Microsoft signature in the UEFI firmware

Confirm-SecureBootUEFI is True

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6:14 PM

Anyone use Nginx?

6:41 PM

!!meta

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Please don't ask to ask; if you simply ask your actual question, we will help you if we know the answer or can help you find it. This is much faster and simpler than asking if it's OK to ask. As a rule, it is always OK to ask in this channel. Please go ahead.

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9:02 PM

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9:51 PM

@DragonLord The lovely sound of an extremely confused HDD. "DEAR GOD, WHY AM I OPEN!?!?! D:"

you're torturing the poor thing

10:32 PM

urk

Java checked exceptions really piss me off at times

10:55 PM

Folks, what's the preferred medium for backup these days? What's the preferred medium for archiving? Home office situation.

@NickAlexeev Probably not what you want to hear, but there is no one true answer.

It depends on how much data you have, how quickly you need to access it, what your retention period is, etc., etc.

Also, your budget.

@Bob I didn't have any pre-conceived notions about what I wanted to hear. So, it's all good. ;)

How much data: 300GB at the moment. Documents, code, schematics, 3D models, pictures. Let's say that new data is generated at a rate of 50 MB per week.
How quick access: backup every week, access only if there was trouble.
Retention period: 100 years.

@NickAlexeev Use archival optical discs

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@NickAlexeev 100 years seems ... Excessive

There are discs that use a layer of 24K fine gold in place of the usual silver or silver alloy

11:04 PM

@DragonLord Do you mean these Archival Discs?

@NickAlexeev Not necessarily this kind

I'm talking about stuff like Archival Gold

@NickAlexeev And budget?

These discs are made by Delkin Devices and have a specified life of at least 100 years

delkin.com/archival-gold-storage-media

The problem is the retention period.

If all you really need is your most recent couple of backups, then it's fairly easy and cheap.

If you want to keep everything going back forever... well.

WTF Eclipse. I had to launch it to test out the JIRA plugin... haven't done anything more than launch it, and it's pegging a whole core.

Constantly.

Expensive—about $12 per BD-R (200 year retention), $4–$5 per DVD-R (100 year retention)

11:08 PM

For the last ten minutes.

But if you need true archival-grade discs, these are your best bet

@DragonLord If you really want long-term retention, you need multiple copies.

Spread out over several countries.

There is no single medium that can be guaranteed to last that long.

I would probably take out the discs every couple of years and verify the data

@DragonLord Thank you, I didn't know that archival optical disks existed.

Not just verify. Make fresh copies.

11:10 PM

Ordinary optical media is typically good for about 10-15 years if you take good care of it

@Bob Of course, but how often depends on the nature of the media

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sigh

I need @JourneymanGeek's amount of RAM :P

...I also need to figure out just wtf Eclipse is doing

@Bob What the heck?

How much memory do you have?

(For the record, my laptop has 24 GB)

@DragonLord 8 GB

11:16 PM

Yeah, Firefox using 1.4 GB is excessive

Try closing and restarting the browser

But why is NetBeans using more than 1.3 GB?

While I don't have (nor need.. Java IDEs are ridiculous) more at home, I'm currently at work, so fewer options anyway.

@DragonLord ...not sure if you're joking.

Firefox using 1.4 GB is ridiculously low

Chrome or IE with the same workload would literally run out of commit space, giant page file or no.

I usually have about 20 tabs open and memory usage is on the order of 500-800MB

@DragonLord Because it's the 64-bit version. Seriously. The 32-bit version uses half that... or maybe it's 7.4 vs 8.0.

@DragonLord 248 tabs open at the moment.

I also have a ton of projects open in NetBeans, so while the memory usage is considerably worse than the last version I had installed, I can accept it.

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@NickAlexeev Acid free paper and Ink ;p

@Bob Wow

The extreme case for me is about 40-50 tabs and that's unusual

11:19 PM

Eclipse, on the other hand... less than half the workload of NetBeans, and I'm not actually doing anything on it.

It's up to 1.2 GB now.

@DragonLord I don't worry until FF reaches 2.4 GB of commit.

That's when the memory pressure causes lag (trying to find large contiguous spaces) and crashes (OOM 32-bit).

@Bob At that point, you risk an out-of-memory crash

Below that, it's perfectly fine.

The only place I really have issues is on the desktop at home, where it leaks like a sieve.

Pretty sure it's the graphics driver causing that :\ (cc @allquixotic)

@JourneymanGeek ...what are you replying to? :P

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You probably won't have the same interfaces available in 50 years

Oh, the backup discussion.

@Bob do you use tab groups and stuff?

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11:23 PM

@Bob: oops

@JourneymanGeek That's another reason to copy the data every few years.

you on mobile chat @jou?

@Bob :/

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Was a moment ago ;p

@Bob My photo archives are stored on both an external hard drive and a series of DVDs

I suppose I should copy the first several discs in the collection

11:26 PM

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starts summing all chrome process

Multiprocess Firefox (Electrolysis) is in the works and can break the 2GB barrier because each tab has its own process and therefore gets its own address space

@DragonLord ...FF 64-bit for Windows is far closer to completion.

And, honestly, I prefer it.

e10s has a fair amount of overhear and compatibility issues associated with it.

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@Bob: 16gb/8gb(on laptops) is probably minimal for most power users ;p

@allquixotic I'm guessing the Chrome PWS (which should exclude shared?) is bigger than my FF instance :P

@JourneymanGeek Eh, currently every machine I use (except the 2 GB tablet) has 8 GB.

It's sufficient for pretty much everything I do.

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11:30 PM

@Bob: 4 gb on my laptop and NUC, 16gb on desktop and werk ;p

@Bob 1460 MB total

I'm fine with waiting a bit for it to swap programs I leave in the background for weeks without touching.

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tho, werk system probably needed all that ram once ;p

my desktop has 32 GB of RAM though so IDGAF

at work though I still use FF mainly

(no mem leak)

@DragonLord In theory, e10s should be a huge step for stability.

But I find the base browser more than stable enough (when it isn't running out of memory) anyway, and e10s will inevitably have many teething issues.

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11:32 PM

is still amused he has a ~~core era~~ such an old system with 16 gb of ram

@Bob and minimization of scope/severity of buffer overflows and such

can use win32 mandatory integrity control to give child processes a useless set of perms

not even filesystem access

with one monolithic firefox.exe, you have to give it full FS access

@allquixotic You can do that on a per-thread basis too.

TIL

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb625963.aspx

but, can you prevent one thread from writing into memory used for other threads?

11:34 PM

> The kernel assigns an access token to every process and thread.

> Impersonation is one way that a service thread may be running at a lower integrity level. When a service thread impersonates a local client, the impersonation thread has the client’s security context, which includes the client’s integrity level if the client is running on the same local machine.

if not, it could just write into the main thread's memory regions, since the main thread would have unrestricted FS access

Hmm..

I wonder if impersonation works for low-integrity, or if it only changes the user.

@allquixotic Good point.

e10s is definitely gonna have to happen eventually

just like 64-bit windows builds

Mozilla just moves slowly on things like that.

I'm expecting 64-bit to be out and stable long before e10s, though.

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@allquixotic: and sometimes backwards ;p

11:35 PM

They fixed the stack-walking issues with it just a couple days ago.

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They did have 64 bit, then they didn't then...

> Chrome is launching 64 bit in v37.

O_O

my chrome is still 32... hmm

I thought Chrome had 64-bit for quite a while.

39 stable

11:37 PM

> We don't know if 64-bit Flash will be more stable than 32-bit Flash. If we ship and stability takes a nose dive, we need a mitigation plan.

Hah. Flash and stable in the same sentence... good joke.

@allquixotic Mozilla is underfunded, that's why

Tracking bug: bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=880004

The only dependency left at the moment: bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886640

They have money, but not quite enough to keep up with Chrome

Google is far, far richer than Mozilla

@DragonLord Part of the problem is Chrome is now in the position that IE was last decade.

They have a large enough userbase that people are coding to their non-standard implementations.

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@Bob: And their engine is used by quite a lot of third party implimentations

11:40 PM

It's better than last-decade IE in that they update frequently, but still a major issue.

Heck, SE Chat itself is an example.

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Q: Can we make chat notifications work on Firefox?

With the release of Firefox 22 has come an implementation of the Web Notifications (draft) API. SE Chat has had notifications for a while, but a quick search of the minified code and the lack of a notifications option indicates that it uses window.webkitNotifications, which is of course specific ...

feature-request status-completed chat firefox desktop-notifications

Took them over a year to move off the Chrome-specific implementation.

Will be AFK for about 30 minutes or so as I have to go home from Starbucks

See ya in a bit

roar

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@Bob: eh. I'm not sure the standard implementation is much better ;p

zimbra keeps refusing to close notifications and js erroring ;p

@JourneymanGeek This is not a case of "better" or "worse".

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(Its a case of zimbra sucks)

It's a case of one being standard and widely-supported, and the other being non-standard and supported by only one browser.

11:50 PM

@Bob The cool thing with the 64 bit, will be it can leak longer before actually running out of memory :-)

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