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3:01 AM

@Shokhet More specifically:

Myopia (Ancient Greek: μυωπία, muōpia, from myein "to shut (like a mole - mys/mus in Greek)" – ops (gen. opos) "eye, look, sight") literally meaning "trying to see like a mole" (mys/mus), commonly known as near-sightedness (American English) and short-sightedness (British English), is a condition of the eye where the light that comes in does not directly focus on the retina but in front of it, causing the image that one sees when looking at a distant object to be out of focus, but in focus when looking at a close object. When used colloquially, 'myopia' can also refer to a view on or way of thinking...

> When used colloquially, 'myopia' can also refer to a view on or way of thinking about something which is—by extension of the medical definition—hyper-focused and fails to include a larger context beyond the focus.

I read the message and literally did not see who the author was, because I didn't look.

@IsaacMoses Ah. I see. I knew the optical definition of myopia, but I didn't know that other meaning. Thanks for the clarification! :)

This should never have been closed. It's explicitly asking for something to help modern Hebrew speakers study Tanach. — Isaac Moses 39 secs ago

1 hour later…

4:11 AM

Anyone else have SE suddenly stop working?

@Shokhet It's up for me

@IsaacMoses It's working now; it wasn't about 10 minutes ago.

@Shokhet I didn't notice. High but not 100% probability that I was on then.

I see. I had the same problem with other sites (LH), and could read chat, but couldn't log in.

Someone dropped a link to Jon Skeet's profile in a different chat room, so I clicked on it -- SO was in read-only mode

@IsaacMoses I agree.

4:34 AM

Chat is back online!

Tweeted by StackStatus on January 7, 2015 at 4:25 AM

I felt a great disturbance in ~~the force~~ chat, but it got better. :-)

Same :)

....I recently found out about @StackStatus, so I checked there first when I started getting errors. I was told chat would be down for a bit, and then I found out it's back up! :)

If that biblical-Hebrew question gets reopened I hope to use this as a start for an answer. But, precisely because I would have an interest in the question, I don't intend to use mod powers on it.

@Shokhet yes, it's a good thing to know about. By definition, by the time you can post a report in chat the moment will have passed, so we each have to know about it and look on our own. :-)

@MonicaCellio Right. :)

....although I was able to look at chat, when it went down; I made the mistake of hitting "refresh," and then went to the "Oops, something bad happened" page

@MonicaCellio That question needs some editing attention, though....either [product-recommendation] or [how-to], and maybe some styling issues. brb ;-)

In chat rooms that I was in I got a "hey, check your network and refresh" message but the room was still visible. Actually refreshing got the error page.

@Shokhet good ideas.

4:42 AM

Same here. I tried sending a message in a different room, but it didn't go through

@Shokhet same here -- just the green text and the "retry" taunt. (Yeah you can click that... won't help you, but if it makes you feel better...)

'Where were you when you learned you'd won?' 'I was actually asleep; I woke up when I refreshed the webite and saw the news.'

@MonicaCellio Yup :)

@MonicaCellio :)

@MonicaCellio:

@IsaacMoses The way it's worded (and made clearer after my edit), it's asking for studies of the differences and similarities of modern and Biblical Hebrew. Is that still on-topic? — Shokhet 12 secs ago

@Shokhet thanks for the update.

Getting late here -- TZT, all.

@MonicaCellio TZT!

5:07 AM

@Shokhet ... for the purpose of analyzing how speakers of modern Hebrew [mis]comprehend Tanach. Yes! On-topic, interesting, and valuable. — Isaac Moses 16 mins ago

@IsaacMoses Alright; have one more VTRO ;-) — Shokhet 10 mins ago

Charles Koppelman

5:57 AM

@Shokhet glad this has become an interesting question.

2 hours later…

8:03 AM

@Shokhet Oh... Irony of ironies - i didn't see what your original post was a response to!

7 hours later…

3:13 PM

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Q: Are local service recommendations on topic?

Are questions that ask if such-and-such a thing exists in their locale ontopic? Examples: Are there any safrut teachers in Boston? Who has a toiveling service in Los Angeles? In the past, this probably would have been too localized, but that's gone. So, should they be kept or not?

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4:09 PM

I'm not going to vote on your answers just yet, because I haven't had time to think about it; but FYI I posted a similar Meta Q on MLH, and Robert Cartaino deleted my "polling answers." — Shokhet 2 mins ago

(Should we post a "meta meta" question if polling questions are okay, on MMY? :P) — Shokhet 1 min ago

4:28 PM

@Scimonster @IsaacMoses Our long discussion on the local service recommendations question has been deleted rather quickly..... so fine, I should probably start using the acronym "MYM." Happy, now?

;-)

@Shokhet Thrilled.

:D

:)

Anyone know offhand in what year (since creation) the Torah was given?

@Scimonster 2448

@IsaacMoses Thanks

Suppose a lot of time passed in parshat Bereishit!

4:34 PM

@Scimonster Yes, indeed. Billions of years. <ducks>

@IsaacMoses :P

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Q: Why the vast difference of opinion about the age of the Universe?

5770 and 13,000,000,000 is a big difference! I am looking for a good explanation to the difference opinion of the age of the universe. Please help me out!

number creation science

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A: Why the vast difference of opinion about the age of the Universe?

The Seder Olam Rabbah added up all of the generations in the Torah and those in the rest of Biblical history to determine how many years had passed since the Creation of Adam. By that reckoning, 5770 years have now elapsed since that Creation. Genesis 1 describes Six Days between the initial Crea...

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A: Bereishit vs. science

According to the Rambam in the Guide of the Perplexed "Whenever it is possible to interpret the words of an individual in such a manner that they confirm to a being whose existence has been demonstrated, this is the conduct that is more fitting and most suitable for an equitable man of exellent n...

@Scimonster Wow, that's a long answer.....the reason I pasted mine was to put emphasis on the author of that answer....who is found to be לשיטתו in chat ;-)

4:40 PM

@Shokhet I noticed. :P I pasted that because i like it.

@Scimonster Aright; you have no complaint from me on that one.

....we now have issur-hashmaat-kol, which is great; I just started looking for the gemara that starts that prohibition, but searching "השמעת קול" in Shas turns up nothing....IIRC it's in Shabbos, and has something to do with a grain mill, right?

Anyone here know where that is?

@Shokhet (for the purpose of editing the tag wiki)

@Shokhet I'm through most of Gemara Shabbat and don't remember it from the first 17 perakim.

@Shokhet "mashmia'" maybe?

@Scimonster Hm....I never finished the mesechta, though I came close. It's been a few years, though.

@IsaacMoses Good idea....got a bunch of hits, will start looking through them. Thanks!

@IsaacMoses A lot of "קא משמע לן"s :P ....there seems to be something relevant on 18a, though

@IsaacMoses אבל אין נותנין חטין לתוך הריחים של מים אלא בכדי שיטחנו מבעוד יום מאי טעמא אמר רבה מפני שמשמעת קול

Thanks!

@Shokhet Looks like I didn't have it exactly, either. Anyway, good find, and well done remembering that it has to do with a mill

4:51 PM

@IsaacMoses Thanks :)

@Scimonster Actually, it's been the same amount of time since I've learned Shabbos seriously as the amount of time since I last learned Javascript :P (both were 10th grade subjects)

....it seems that I remember Shabbos better than the code I learned. Interesting.

:P

@Shokhet Wow, same here! Except that it's current for me! :P

:)

@Shokhet Did you make a Reish Lakishian leap at some point?

@IsaacMoses Nope ....no R Yochanan offered me his sister; if that happened, I very well may have :P

....and then I asked this question; for if it gets a good answer, that would be a great thing to put in the full wiki for that tag :)

Are these really two different questions, that should be asked separately? — Shokhet 5 secs ago

5:24 PM

@Shokhet Whaaaaaaaaaaat? Shoket this is the first time you heard about hashmaat kol?

6:05 PM

whoa, check this out: meta.islam.stackexchange.com/a/1459/2469

From our good friend Jon Ericson

6:35 PM

@havarka No, but I don't have a very good handle on the precise definition of hasmaat kol. Hopefully someone around here does.

@Daniel whoa, indeed. It's amazing the trouble people will go to

@IsaacMoses It's fake internet points, is all. Big deal :P (vote up all my posts now ;)

@Shokhet I wonder if movements of the voting ring could constitute an answer to

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Q: How do hats modify users' behavior?

How are users modifying their behavior because of Winterbash 2014? What have you seen, positive and negative? I've seen some comments on various Winterbash posts about the behaviors the hats encourage, and I thought it would be useful to collect those observations in one place.

discussion winterbash-2014

@IsaacMoses Maybe. I don't think so, though, because (from Jon's post) it sounds like this was going on for a while, probably longer than the three weeks of hatz.

I mean, the question-asker there lost ~700 rep -- that probably (but not necessarily) took longer than three weeks, if the ring was voting on other stuff also

(which I think they'd have to, to avoid automatic serial upvoting reversal, if I understand how things work properly)

6:50 PM

Challenge: Come up with a crime syndicate whose purpose sounds more ridiculous than "Stack Exchange Voting Ring"

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@JonEricson What do you think of the above ^^^ ?

@IsaacMoses "Stack Exchange Hat Ring".

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@JonEricson :) That sounds like some sort of accessory

@Shokhet To be honest, hats distracted me from taking action earlier.

@JonEricson Hm. Write an answer to the question Isaac linked earlier, then :P

6:54 PM

Heh.

Supermarket Deals Circular Stealing Ring?

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@Shokhet I saw someone who lost 1250

@Daniel Whoa. That's pretty serious.

...here, or on Islam?

Take-a-penny-leave-a-penny thieves.

@Shokhet On Islam.SE

6:56 PM

Get-more-than-one-free-donut-at-Krispee-Kreme thieves

@Daniel I see.

Simchat Torah Sefer-Torah-Carrying Opportunity Domination Ring

@JonEricson the sockpuppets were voting for other people as well?

Like it seems like a lot of people who weren't suspended lost rep with the deletions of the accounts

@Daniel Yes. This was not a traditional sock ring. Most of the people who lost rep were innocent of wrongdoing.

@IsaacMoses I'm pretty sure that actually exists

6:59 PM

@Daniel if so, it's even more ridiculous than if it was fictitious

@JonEricson Huh. Why? Were they trying to support a certain viewpoint, or were they trying to mask a more targeted voting pattern?

@IsaacMoses TD Bank pen thieves

@JonEricson Interesting. Could have something to do with the serious sectarianism issues they are having over there. Upvote anybody who agrees with you

@IsaacMoses Sectarianism is a major issue on Islam.SE

Not that I know that's what was going on here, but it wouldn't surprise me at all

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Q: Please vote based on quality

As a former moderator on one site that deals with religious texts, a user on the three strictly religious sites, and a participant on religious topics that pop up from time to time on other sites, I've come to appreciate votes that reflect objective quality in a post. I personally think atheists ...

discussion scope etiquette voting

@IsaacMoses Ridiculous, of course. But some people seriously feel a need to be holding a sefer Torah for all 3hours of hakafot

@Daniel There's a Meta.Islam post I saw a while ago about that....they're having a tough time with it, AFAICT

7:03 PM

I'm really conflicted about talking about this aspect, unfortunately. But the voting on other sites was much more in line with what we expect from voting rings.

....I think it was this one

@JonEricson I think your guardedness is appropriate, FWIW. I don't think it'd be beneficial to have a lot of discussion in one site's chat room about problems on another site.

I feel bad for goldPseudo. He tries so hard and stuff like this keeps happening

@IsaacMoses But unguardedness would be much more fun!

@JonEricson You quote Clay Shirky:

> [The] group structure is necessary to defend the group from itself. Group structure exists to keep a group on target, on track, on message, on charter, whatever. To keep a group focused on its own sophisticated goals and to keep a group from sliding into these basic patterns. Group structure defends the group from the action of its own members.

Sounds like a counterpoint to:

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Q: Tweaking Mi Yodeya's scope to build a broader community

I was reading this post about one person's issues with Stack Overflow, and something it said struck me (as I noticed the same thing, but didn't attempt to articulate it): The "flavour" of StackOverflow today is entirely different than the flavour it had when I started. When I started the com...

discussion scope

7:09 PM

@Daniel He's an outstanding moderator. I respect him enormously. He's gotten way more than his share of abuse. :-(

@Daniel Let's all go over there and upvote all of his posts! Err um...

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@IsaacMoses Interesting. My snap observation is that it's hard to compare SO's problems with any other site on the network. It's just so much bigger in scale.

@infatuated: They don't exist anymore. I should point out that having an account that you do nothing but vote with is not, in and of itself, a problem. These accounts were probably sock puppets. Since they did not post or comment, it's unlikely you ever saw them. — Jon Ericson ♦ 1 hour ago

@JonEricson ^^^ why is that true? (the first point)

@YeZ Voting is an important part of the system

Some people don't want to write posts, but they are still able to meaningfully contribute by voting

@Daniel Maybe I misunderstood - I thought he meant having a second account just for voting.

7:17 PM

@JonEricson It's bigger enough to be a qualitatively different thing.

@JonEricson The sad part is that, given the choice, I think the community would kick him to the curb

@YeZ I didn't understand Jon to mean that

@Daniel For example, @BSteinhurst observes, votes (made one edit), and was a good member of the community (AFAICT), and then wrote a great answer to the question @IsaacMoses linked to, above

@Daniel @YeZ I didn't think he meant that, either.

@YeZ Oh. Yes, I mean there's no problem going to a site that isn't your "home community" and voting posts you read. Obviously creating sock puppets to double, triple, etc. vote is not ok.

@Shokhet How did you even know about him/her?

Oh from his answer to that question

@Daniel He drops by chat once in a while, and then wrote an answer to the above question

7:20 PM

@JonEricson Makes sense. I do that. (The first thing.)

@Daniel exactly

@YeZ I only use my Programmers account for voting. And a single edit.

Oh, that's what Jon just said.

@Daniel Just curious, what were you doing on Islam.SE?

@Scimonster I visit there sometimes and ask questions

@Daniel I've considered that, for Islam and Christianity, but I'm waiting on an answer to judaism.stackexchange.com/q/9869/5323 :P

Also there was a period where a MY user was frequenting their chatroom and representing an unconventional Jewish outlook

So I would watch that to make sure the wrong messages weren't being sent

That's how I got started there

7:29 PM

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Q: Why is it necessary to ask a Rabbi?

In various places on this site, including the FAQ, we have the following disclaimer: Like Wikipedia, this site makes no guarantee of validity, and does not offer professional (particularly rabbinic) advice. Treat information from this site like it came from a crowd of your friends. As discu...

halacha rabbis internet halacha-theory posek-psak-decisor-ruling

@IsaacMoses eyeroll

I'm trying out and demonstrating the bounty feature here. The idea is that I'd really like an answer to this question, but it's been up for a while now without a sufficient answer. Whoever gives the best answer within a week gets a nice little reputation bonus. If you have questions in a similar situation, consider starting a bounty. — Isaac Moses Jan 18 '10 at 4:03

As you can see, doing this makes your question prominent in a few ways: It gets bumped to the top of the recent-activity list, it gets a striking bounty label, and it makes it to the Featured tab. — Isaac Moses Jan 18 '10 at 4:11

@Scimonster ??

@Shokhet You can post a bounty.

Quoting the very first bounty offerer.

@Scimonster I know. I edited that question a short while ago, but I don't think I'll post bounty on that one just yet.

7:35 PM

@Scimonster Related to this site is my question on Islam.SE that I believe will be the highest-scored unanswered question once this issue resolves itself

7:47 PM

@Daniel Interesting question.

8:07 PM

@Daniel I agree. goldPseudo does a great job as far as I can tell from the outside, and he gets flack for it because his site lives in shark-infested waters. His answer here is spot-on, and Islam isn't the only religion site with a user base who won't curate. He must care very, very much about the site (or SE in general) to keep trying there.

@Shokhet for what little it's worth, I've asked a few questions on Christianity and had a reasonable experience there. I'd never offer answers there, of course (even if I knew them and cared to spend the time) because of promoting their religion, but a few questions seem ok to me (IANAR). I don't know if I'd ask on Islam as it's never come up for me. My rabbi has only advised me to steer clear of one of SE's religious sites.

@MonicaCellio "(seriously, I have cast more downvotes alone than any other user has cast total votes)" Wow. Talk about heavy lifting.

is there a way to sort questions by views?

@YeZ There's a "most viewed" section of judaism.stackexchange.com/tools

There's always Stack Exchange Data Explorer

@IsaacMoses yeah, that really jumped out at me. I knew that for a long time they had a lot of non-voting going on, but I hadn't realized it was that bad.

8:24 PM

@MonicaCellio He's cast nearly three times as many downvotes as upvotes! That's sounds atypical of SE.

@IsaacMoses that is unusual. I wonder how many of those are on posts that have since been deleted.

On meta, OTOH, more up than down (2:1).

@MonicaCellio Around here, everyone who's cast at least 1000 votes has cast at least four upvotes for every downvote.

Interestingly, the two users in that group with the highest proportion of downvotes cast are your two colleagues on the mod team.

Do mod actions, like closures and deletions, count as downvotes?

@IsaacMoses interesting, thanks!

@IsaacMoses They have a lot of low quality posts

@IsaacMoses I have noticed that among the mods I seem to be slacking in the DV department, yes. And maybe overall (haven't looked at your query yet).

8:37 PM

@Shokhet blows everyone else away in average votes per day (of account's existence), at 17. Next highest are @msh210 and @ShmuelBrin, with 9.

@IsaacMoses no. I believe that downvotes cast on posts that are later deleted are still counted, and I know I don't always cast those DVs before deleting, but it's not just that.

@MonicaCellio My new years resolution is to downvote more. Isn't that nice?

Mods get their name in blue in chat? I just realized this pattern.

@MonicaCellio You vote about as often, overall, as DoubleAA does.

@YeZ on a couple other sites I've seen people outright say that they won't DV, or vote to close, because it's "not nice". When I was newer to SE I tended to not DV bad first posts, commenting instead and giving the new user time to fix it. But I found I wasn't remembering to go back and vote later, and I've seen that sometimes that DV actually motivates an edit. It's hard to know what the right thing to do is -- but in the face of clearly-wrong stuff (or non-constructive) I DV now.

@YeZ it's funny the things one does or doesn't notice, sometimes. Yeah, for a while. :-)

@MonicaCellio a DV (or close vote) is much less likely to be considered offensive by a new user when accompanied by a clearly kind and constructive comment

8:42 PM

@MonicaCellio If they would implemet notification of edits on posts you DVed, I'd be quicker to do it.

@IsaacMoses certainly true, and I try to always leave such a comment in that situation.

@YeZ yes. I have wanted that for a while.

I like how the entire pane of starred comments is all leitzanus.

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But it's also possible for a post you upvoted to be edited in a way that makes you want to retract that vote (particularly on meta), and you don't get that either. So, I guess balance is good.

@YeZ One of them became a MY question title!

@MonicaCellio That's probably far less common, though.

8:48 PM

@YeZ yes, I would expect so.

@IsaacMoses whoa, I'm fourth-highest in votes cast???

If you project my voting record over a four year span, I think I'm not doing too badly.

is there a question on the site about p'sak in hashkafa?

@MonicaCellio I guess so.

@YeZ Indeed, in VpD, you're #6 (among Civic Duticians), just above DoubleAA.

@IsaacMoses I suppose you just wrote a query for that. Care to share?

@YeZ data.stackexchange.com/judaism/query/263506/…

@YeZ Here's one that totals for a site: data.stackexchange.com/hermeneutics/query/263508/…

@YeZ Oh....

9:00 PM

@IsaacMoses Didn't notice that column was already there

@YeZ Is it still? :)

@Scimonster arguably

I ran the total-site query for the Civic Duty population (>= 300 votes) of a bunch of sites that are our peers in one way or another.

Our upvote percentage is .93.

Average votes per day is 1?!

Did i misread it?

Religion sites: Islam .70 Christianity .82 BH .85 Skeptics .85

9:04 PM

Sorry, looking at BH.

y u send wrong link!!!

@Scimonster Sorry

But what is AvgVotesPerDay?

@YeZ Like, total views, or recent views? For total, frequent somewhat corresponds. For recent, see the 10k tools.

Similar age/question-volume sites: Travel .96, Sharepoint .98, Academics .93, Scifi .93, DIY .96

@Scimonster votes per day (averaged) over the lifetime of the account.

@IsaacMoses are you running those one at a time?

@MonicaCellio yes.

9:06 PM

@MonicaCellio Aha. So it's each person casts an average of 1.7 votes / day. Mostly because of inactive users.

@Scimonster Frequent is pretty hit or miss. For example, Islam has a question with 500k views, and it isn't anywhere near the top of the frequent list.

@Monica get to work on that cross-site DE!

@Scimonster wait, we might be talking about two different things. I was talking about Isaac's first query, the one that shows users, upvotes, downvotes, etc.

So, our upvote behavior is, anecdotally, on the low end of typical of similar age/volume sites, but higher than is typical of religion sites

@IsaacMoses age of site / # of questions?

9:07 PM

@MonicaCellio I think that still makes sense.

@YeZ Sorry, that's not a ratio; it's sites that are more or less our peers in terms of age and/or volume

@IsaacMoses Oh I get it. Sites with similar ages or # of q

ya.

We have four people with Civic Duty but no Critic.

@Scimonster donations of python are being accepted. :-) (I need to script the data-import part.)

@Scimonster Which one is civic duty?

and critic?

9:09 PM

(And I don't really know any scripting languages, but I have other reasons to use Python in particular.)

@Scimonster wow.

@MonicaCellio I can do JS, but not Python, sorry.

never mind. And I second @MonicaCellio's wow

Civic duty: voted 300 times. Critic: downvoted once.

@Scimonster ok, if I ever get it running somewhere public and therefore want a web front-end on it, I'll get back to you. :-)

@YeZ You got 20k and haven't memorized all the badges yet?!

@MonicaCellio :P

@Scimonster I have and haven't

9:11 PM

@Scimonster you can find them by arranging that data query accd to upvote percent - the four people with 100% are at the top.

(I don't have a machine I can just stick out there. But first order of business is to get it working at all, at least on my private network, and then maybe if it seems worthwhile I can look for hosting or something.)

@YeZ That is what i did.

@IsaacMoses Shame on you.

@Scimonster I don't even know all the badges I have.

As you can see from that I didn't know those two, both of which I have.

in 10 days, I'll get a silver badge.

or maybe 9 days.

I can say without looking that we don't yet have any Generalist, Booster, Publicist, Populist, Great Question, Great Answer, Favorite Question, Stellar Question.

Did i miss any?

@YeZ For Enthusiast?

@Scimonster Nope. My Motzai Shabboses are too busy for that.

@Scimonster copy editor

9:15 PM

@YeZ Couldn't find a better match than

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Q: Is belief in a G-d a commandment?

I am studying to convert to Judaism and one of the questions I was asked was about the Ten Commandments. I remember reading at that time that there was debate about the division of the statements Moses brought down on tablets and that they are, in Hebrew, more commonly called the "Ten Statements...

halacha parshanut-torah-comment hashkafah-philosophy theology

@Scimonster steward

(instead of copy editor - my mistake)

and no marshals?

@Scimonster It appears i missed Illuminator (that's new, so cut me some slack), Marshal, Beta, Legendary, Tenacious, Unsung Hero.

Anecdotally, Buddhists are the most chill SE religionists, with 95% upvotes among their dutiful

@Scimonster No slack for you!

... which number eight so far

9:18 PM

@YeZ How about slacks?

@IsaacMoses what was that a reply to?

@Scimonster You want holes in your slacks?

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Q: Why can men wear pants if pants are immodest?

I have a question from another post here. If pants are considered to be immodest garments in general, aside from the issue of them being a male garment, why are they permissible for men to wear? Are they considered immodest just for women? Why? "Pissuk Raglayim" (spreading the legs) has been men...

halacha women clothing tznius-modesty men-male

@YeZ Following my previous comment. There are 8 Civic Duticians so far on Buddhism

@IsaacMoses Oh, their dutiful number eight.

GTG.

TZT everyone.

shulem

9:20 PM

@YeZ possibly-interesting factoid: moderators are not eligible for Deputy and Marshal. No writing myself a ~~minivan~~ badge.

@Scimonster TZT.

@MonicaCellio ahh classic dilbert

@YeZ One of which, a mod, has cast by far the most downvotes

@YeZ found it on the first try. :-)

@Scimonster TZT

9:32 PM

wow we have quite a random list of questions with 10k+ views.

Our highest viewed question wants to know when the next Shemitta year is/was.

@YeZ Yeah, I don't know what's up with that one. A bunch of those are of interest to Christians, I suspect. Tablet K is of interest to cheese-eaters in the US.

... a similar question about Triangle K, of interest to chip-eaters in the US, is almost at 9K views.

@IsaacMoses and a question about pizza is at 1200!

@YeZ That query behaves oddly. When I change it to "8000-10000", the Tri-K one, which has 8995, does not come up, but when I change it to "7000-1000", it does

Maybe the view count in the search index is updated very infrequently?

10:05 PM

@Daniel @Shokhet @Daniel yes, I do drop by chat now and then. It does feel weird to be a topic of conversation though I am glad it is as a positive example.

@BSteinhurst Hi :)

....just dropped by, and found myself mentioned without expecting it.....the same probably happened to you, earlier

@MonicaCellio I see. Thanks for that info!

@IsaacMoses I vote. Is that a problem? :P

@YeZ wait, how does the Samoa question have fewer than 3k views? That's a classic! Or should be.

@BSteinhurst being a topic of conversation could be much worse -- though usually isn't on this site. :-)

10:22 PM

It's strange that number of votes doesn't seem to correlate that strongly with number of views

(At least if we exclude questions below some threshold for votes or views)

@Shokhet You also post a lot of content. And edit stuff. And participate on Meta. And contribute to community publications.

Dayeinu!

@YeZ @Scimonster @IsaacMoses et al You don't need a query for votes: judaism.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Voters&filter=all (+ it seems to be updated more often than the data explorer)

@IsaacMoses :)

.....now I'm humming Pesach tunes. Thanks a lot, @IsaacMoses. ;-)

@Shokhet That doesn't do stats like my query does

@IsaacMoses tbh, I didn't check your query; I probably should, right?

@Shokhet meya yamim kodem hachag

10:25 PM

@IsaacMoses :)

@Shokhet Only if you're interested in voting stats

@IsaacMoses (I'm not checking that math, though)

@IsaacMoses I'm still catching up in chat. If I spot the link to the query, I'll check it out.

@Shokhet Only 86

@Shokhet data.stackexchange.com/judaism/query/263506/voting-stats

2

@Scimonster Nobody here has the Beta badge meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/2146/5323

@Shokhet and data.stackexchange.com/judaism/query/263508/…

10:28 PM

@IsaacMoses Thanks.

Links now point to MY-oriented queries

....what do I put in for "threshhold?

@Shokhet 300, if you want the population of Civic Duticians

גזירות שלא יבואו לידי תיקון כלי

גזרו חכמים על עשיית איזה דברים בשבת, שאף שלעצמם אין להם שייכות כלל לתיקון מנה, חששו שאם יהיו מתירים לעשותם בשבת, שבסופו יכולים גם לבוא לידי תיקון כלי.

השמעת קול

וכן אסרו להשמיע קול על שיר על ידי שום דבר אלא מותר רק בפה בלבד, והטעם שמא נבוא לתקן כלי שיר. מה נקרא קול של שיר, כשמתכוין להשמיע קול בנעימות קצת כדרך שיר. אין האיסור חל רק אם נעשה דוקא לצורך שיר, אלא כל השמעת קול בדרך זה אסורה, וכגון להשמיע קול נעים בשביל אדם שישן (שקול נעים מרדימו), וזה אסור אפילו אינו נעשה על ידי כלי וכו', וכגון על ידי טפטוף מים וכו'.

@Shokhet in general, minimum number of total votes for a user to make it into the analysis

10:30 PM

@Shokhet that was meant for you

@IsaacMoses Got it. So 300 will catch all that have the Civic Duty badge, for example?

@havarka Thanks; I'm reading it now

1 min ago, by Isaac Moses

@Shokhet 300, if you want the population of Civic Duticians

TZT

@IsaacMoses I didn't see that one; all I saw was the "in general" comment

@IsaacMoses TZT!

@havarka Where is this quote from?

....you might be able to write an answer to my question, then :)

@Shokhet mysefer.com/product.asp?P_ID=4153&strPageHistory=related

@S

@Shokhet I know, just too lazy to translate, I am not native english speaker, take credit :p or translate and copy and I post it :D :D

@havarka We'll see. It's easier for me to type in an answer box than it is to type in chat, so if I go to the trouble of translating I'll probably just write an answer. What part of that sefer is that from? (page number, chapter number, etc)

10:36 PM

siman 37, seif 23-24

you can still use ctrl+c & ctrl+v for my sake :p

Thanks. If I write it up, it likely won't be until later today; I'm a little busy now

@havarka I probably will; I don't know if I have access to a copy of that sefer

my day finishes here in 23 minutes :p

@havarka Oh? How come?

I think I'l write it

@Shokhet Eastern Europe

@IsaacMoses This is a very cool query. Thanks! :)

@havarka Right; forgot about that

@MonicaCellio I'd have to check, but if I remember correctly, I down-voted a post on LH that was deleted that day, and got 41 votes that day (counting the deleted one), but only 39 the next, so that hitting total votes two days in a row brought me a total of 80 votes. (I think)

10:51 PM

@Shokhet I've had days with 41 or 42 votes on a site, but I don't know offhand if I've done it two days in a row. I think the deletion just removes the vote from your daily allotment (but not your own vote total) and you'd be able to use 40 the next day, but I haven't done science.

Nor looked for documentation. :-)

@MonicaCellio Yeah. This is if I remember correctly from the first two days of LH. I haven't either looked for documentation :)

11:06 PM

judaism.stackexchange.com/q/51139/5323 + christianity.stackexchange.com/q/35961 ?

@Shokhet huh. Two different users (apparently, anyway), very similar context. I wonder where the topic was being discussed.

@Shokhet and here's #3: hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/q/14284

@MonicaCellio Interesting.

All asked on the same day, three different user names, each with just that question. Discussion, or one person with many names?

@MonicaCellio I didn't even notice they were the same day. Whoa.

That's weird.

@Shokhet two within a couple hours; noticing that got me to check the third.

11:14 PM

@MonicaCellio Odd.

@MonicaCellio I didn't check BH, but I don't think any of these users stopped to register their accounts....

....yeah, none registered

@Shokhet I searched there for "Egeliah" after seeing it in our question.

@MonicaCellio Huh. That's pretty weird. It's not a problem, I think, it's just off.

@Shokhet yeah. Odd, but not against the rules or anything.

11:51 PM

@Shokhet thanks. I'll point out that VpD is biased in favor of newer users, since QpD has gone up over time, generally, so older users have had, on average, fewer opportunities to vote per day. In addition, the whole back catalog us available for voting the instant that a new user arrives

I may try correcting that by making the denominator the sum, for all days of a user's tenure, of the number of extant questions on each of those days, or some easier-to-compute proxy

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