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12:01 AM
HATS ARE HAPPENING!
 
are we going to die???
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12:14 AM
Hats
I haz a hat
 
12:33 AM
@Doorknob冰 yay! :)
 
Maybe I'm just broken, but why can't I wear my earned hat? Last year all I had to do was click it in the Winterbash popup and I could put it on. Now there's nothing to "wear hat" for me :o
 
12:56 AM
@Geobits if I click on the link, my overlay does have a Wear hat button in the lower left corner
 
Thanks. Mine has it there now (after earning a second hat). Not sure why it wasn't there before, I'd even restarted my browser just to try something :D
 
lol, did you go on a downvote rampage?
 
Not any more than usual. I hit up lifehacks and puzzling. There are always some bad answers floating around those two.
We've gotten quite a bit better here about the really bad ones. My up/down ratio here is leveling out now :P
 
a handful of the hats are literally impossible on PPCG
btw, when is Hannukah?
 
Google says 16th-24th
 
1:08 AM
ah I see
the mistletoe hat sucks if your time zone is UTC :D
 
Yea... "Stop the countdown, I need to chat on SE right quick."
 
wow, this has a lot of highly voted answers: linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/9752/…
@Geobits do we know what a bad question is?
oh
"later deleted or closed"
 
Anyone found any secret hats yet? :P
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I have 'Fascinating' but I don't know why.
 
1:23 AM
@Doorknob冰 nope
@algorithmshark lucky you
 
@algorithmshark Argh, it seems like everyone's getting that. I must figure it out so I stay first place in number of hats network-wide!
 
Whoa, I'm #1 on the leaderboard.
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@Doorknob冰 you could just upvote something on each site today
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@MartinBüttner It only counts each hat once.
 
1:26 AM
oh
 
woah, secret hat
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then how do you already have 10 hats?
4
 
"warm welcome"
Hooray, I am now first place by a comfortable margin of three hats over @animuson!
 
it would be really neat if there was any indication what the secret hat is for once you've earned it
but then people would probably find out too quickly and share it with everyone
 
Argh, curse you and your iOS 7.0 requirement, SE app. Now I can't get the apple hat on my mom's old iPad. :P
Wow. I'm actually first place on network, Meta, and Stack Overflow
 
1:35 AM
ugh, it's a shame my avatar is off centre, or my Fear and Loathing hat would look sick
oh shit, you can move it
 
@MartinBüttner And rotate and resize, too
 
I just gave our very own Community ♦ a hat of his own:
 
beautiful
can't use the Android app either :(
although my mum's partner should have a newer Android version... I might be able install it there.
and she has a new iPhone... everything falls into place...
 
1:57 AM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Martin BüttnerValid Spells for Waving Hands (I'm sure there's a catchier title for this) code-golfstringsgame The game Waving Hands is somewhere between a pen-and-paper Magic: the Gathering and a very elaborate Rock Paper Scissors. Each turn you write down one of eight gestures for each hand: wiggled Fing...

 
why thank you for the downvote -.-
 
2:15 AM
Hats!
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Wow Martin's already got 4
Did you delete and undelete or something :P
 
lol yeah... actually I originally deleted it thinking it would remain deleted (it was some 0 score answer on a downvoted question)... but then I figured they're not gonna take the hat away again :D
@Sp3000 btw, the call for themes for the weekly challenge challenge is up
 
2:46 AM
Oh k, will take a look
+1 for GAs :D
 
 
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4:12 AM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sp3000Squarefinder Imagine a bunch of rectangles drawn in the plane, each rectangle with its vertices at integer coordinates and its sides parallel to the axes: The rectangles partition the plane into a number of disjoint regions, coloured red and blue below: Your goal is to find the number of s...

 
 
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5:20 AM
winter bash
100 consecutive days!
wow, because of which, I autoearned Treasure Hunter LOL ^^
 
5:42 AM
5 hats
 
 
4 hours later…
9:34 AM
damn, I cannot wear more than 1 hat ?
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9:53 AM
You could always edit your avatar to show more hats, but yeah, only one "real" hat.
 
10:17 AM
:D
those cannot go out of the avatar bounds
 
Hah, I'm the Winterbash leader on 3 sites where I'm not active on just by easy-to-get secret hats :P
 
secret hats ?
also, how to see that view of the leaderboard
(unless you go to each site to see the leaderboard)
@ProgramFOX ^
 
@Optimizer I don't think you can see on which sites you are the leader. I just found out that I got some hats there, and went to their leaderboards.
 
which ones ?
 
Biology, Amateur Radio and Quantitative Finance.
 
10:29 AM
oooh
 
It's bad that I'm the leader on a site of which I cannot even spell the name correctly :P
 
how do you get those three ?
fascinating .. chameleon
 
hehe, that's a secret ;)
 
so there are more than 30 hats
 
But it's probably not too hard to find out if you go to my profiles there.
 
10:30 AM
:D
it still says this is a secret hat
 
Yes, it always says that, even if you got it.
(better hint: look at my activity)
 
warm welcome is obv
 
I got that Warm Welcome hat at random on Meta.SE, no idea how to get it on other sites.
 
u have it on biology too
 
Warm Welcome? No, I only have that one on Meta.
 
10:34 AM
ohh, the hats popup shows across everything
 
yep
^ 80 sites \o/
Made my hat notifications explode.
 
you manually did that process on 80 sites ?
or ran a Program(Fox) ?
 
No. I had to do one thing to get that on all those sites.
 
I now have everything same as ur bio profile
 
Yup, you can expect some secret hats within a few minutes ;)
 
10:40 AM
I don't see them coming.
is it the "About me" section that is important .. ?
 
No, that section doesn't matter.
But it always takes a few minutes for a hat to be awarded.
 
sorry for being the douchebag
 
Well I did not get Chameleon when editing the "about me". It is related to profile though.
 
@ProgramFOX Try changing the profile picture instead.
 
@Unihedro I... did that:
10 mins ago, by ProgramFOX
user image
 
it clearly says, link a site.
 
I do have a link to another site on my profile.
 
yeah, that is why u have the hat
how much do I wait before hat comes to me
 
For me it never took longer than 5 minutes.
 
(everyone starring on sidebar, as 8 diff. users are present :D )
 
10:51 AM
I'm now 3rd on the leaderboard...
in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks) on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by ProgramFOX
I was the Winterbash winner of PPCG in 2013... Must. Win. That. Again. o_o
 
leaderboard is total unique hats or total hats ?
 
Total unique hats.
 
Noooo I'm now the 2nd
 
so you meant only PPCG leaderboard or overall ?
 
in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks) on Stack Overflow Chat, 16 mins ago, by Unihedro
http://winterbash2014.stackexchange.com/leaderboard/network #7 network-wide!
Leaderboard has [1: "per-site", 2: "network-wide"] modes.
 
10:54 AM
oh the first one
yea
I upvoted a 800 votes post, still no secret hat
oh wait.
:/
@Unihedro you can't possible be at 1st in PPCG. its very hard to get a gold badge.
 
@Optimizer it's not like he couldn't have other hats
 
all others hats have equal chance of getting , no ?
gold one is a bit difficult.
I was just lucky.
 
11:10 AM
well, werewolf hunter also needs some luck
and some are outright impossible on PPCG ^^
 
like ?
 
30 Minutes or Less is very unlikely
Naruto is near impossible
 
naruto
..
how is that naruto !
when he was accepted, he had a lot of votes, before that when everyone rejected him, he had no votes.
 
and answering 5 questions on a saturday will take a lot more work here than elsewhere ^^
 
you can answer simple ones
old ones
last sat I answered 3
@Unihedro what are you trying to get from that ? ;)
 
11:17 AM
yeah, I might have a look next week
 
@Optimizer Bugdroid :)
 
you could have upvoted something :|
or downvoted me :P
 
Vote limit :(
 
:D :D
still trying my luck for chameleon.
later at night I can do not a cherry.
 
I was going for "I Voted Today", but I forgot to vote on questions also.
 
11:19 AM
LOL
can I see my remaining votes somewhere ?
 
Nope, "inventory panes" never existed
 
hmm
who was saying wolverine is tough ? :P
 
lol, you lucky bastard
 
still waiting for chameleon ..
 
11:29 AM
i'll downvote it !!
 
@MartinBüttner Is it? ;)
 
thanks ;)
 
I was not fast enough!
 
Where's a new user?? I want to give warm welcome!
 
someone downvote me please ? ;)
 
11:30 AM
@Unihedro 99 bottles of beer has a first post
(the Go answer, with the b,i,e,r variables)
 
11:43 AM
I guess I'll have to answer 16 more code golfs during the winter bash ^^
@Unihedro what was that edit for? ^^
 
@MartinBüttner ?
 
the comment you edited into the regex golf
 
28 mins ago, by Unihedro
@Optimizer Bugdroid :)
 
oh okay
 
'Cuz I'm out of votes, so.
Now I need to find an iOS simulator to get the iOS app, then edit it off for Not A Cherry.
 
11:46 AM
I wonder if the design of that hat is a copyright violation
 
@Unihedro Running iOS on a non-Apple device is not allowed by Apple.
 
@ProgramFOX :O
Another reason to hate Apple..
 
@ProgramFOX you going for 50 tag wiki edits? ;)
 
@MartinBüttner Didn't even think of that! :P Thanks for the hint.
 
there are probably easier silver badges out there
 
11:50 AM
Yeah. prays for 17 suggested edits to appear
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Did I just hear a need of suggesting edits?
 
I need 29 first posts :D
@Unihedro please don't clutter our front page...
 
lol
 
Or... if I can gather 250 views for my question with 2250 views...
Going to lunch, getting more energy for more hats ;)
 
:)
 
12:01 PM
whats with so many wiki tag edits ?
 
12 mins ago, by Martin Büttner
@ProgramFOX you going for 50 tag wiki edits? ;)
Tag Editor badge I think
 
just the badge or a hat too ?
 
It's a silver badge, so it leads to a hat yes
 
chameleon :(
 
12:24 PM
@Optimizer Something hat-related... but it didn't seem to do anything.
 
hmm
 
Acutally, this:
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A: Winter Bash 2014 Secret Hats

SPArchaeologistSaw someone with a waffle hat. No idea how he got it though. Will report back if I discover something.

There was some speculation about tag wiki edits but now I see that the theory was rejected, see the comments.
 
got the chameleon
so no one will downvote me. eh ? (goes to post a new CJam answer)
 
Post a Pyth one. Might work better :P
 
haha
 
12:46 PM
Dat serial voting
 
me ?
 
How would I know?
 
Does SE detect if you vote all the questions/answers of one user?
 
@Sp3000 Yes, and SE also auto-reverts that.
 
How do you get to the review queues on mobile?
 
12:47 PM
Ah.
 
It does if u have a weird pattern
like if u do targeted voting etc
but like if I upvote all your answers, that would be fine
 
Not if you do it too fast
 
well yes.
 
Wow Martin did a siteswap question. Damn.
 
you know siteswap? :O
I think that was my first challenge
 
12:50 PM
siteswap ?
 
Seen it before. It's on my puzzle-making "list of ideas that can be used"
"Well, have a bounty then! It seems the question was either too boring or too daunting for everyone else. ;) – Martin Büttner Apr 17 at 8:52"
Well. That's going to happen to feersum if someone doesn't polyomino soon :P
 
lol yeah
@Optimizer you've got an avatar O.O
 
changing the avatar gave me chameleon
 
oh okay
I added my github account as my website
 
i did that too
so not sure
the secret hat post mentioned that change ur profile pic when some user tried everything
 
12:55 PM
I tried changing About Me and I don't seem to have it yet... hats seem to take a while to come though so I can't tell
 
@Sp3000 interesting :)
 
(Also I just changed hats, lets see how long chat takes to update)
 
I just answered with CJam (along with char count) on a 3 yr old popularity contest.
How much more desperate will I have to be to get a downvote ? :P
 
votes
 
I said DOWNVOTE
 
12:59 PM
Maybe this is your secret ploy to make people upvote :o
 
no. I plainly said DOWNVOTE
 
lol guys I'm about to repcap from your upvotes... I'm gonna be really sad if they all get reverted for serial voting :D
I thought you already have fear and loathing though?
 
no single person did serial, right ?
 
I don't know
I'm just getting tons of upvotes across my question :D
 
that is fine
people are trying to reach vote cap
different people
also, I am looking for Business in ...
which needs a downvote
 
1:02 PM
@Optimizer I feel like it's mostly the same person because almost no question got two upvotes
 
oh.
btw, how do you remove an SE from ur account ?
I want to remove Bio
 
@Optimizer oh I mixed those up
@Optimizer search on MSE
 
I have already remove before. Just can't remember
ugh, so its not directly possible if you have interacted using that account.
 
It'd be really sad if they did get reverted :/
 
1:22 PM
at least the hats are there
also, I only got 4 votes. so its fine for me.
 
1:33 PM
youngest member in top 20 on the leaderboard
4 more reviews to go
btw, I have a nice question in mind related to hats
not sure how good it will be ..
 
What's the idea? (If you're unsure you could post it for the weekly challenge challenge)
 
its not fit for weekly.
idea is to write a code to predict how many hats a user will get
answer chosen at 5th ,
winner will be the least difference across some number of users
I want to see some entries which rely on current data.
Is the hat data available via some API ?
@MartinBüttner what do you think ?
 
2:11 PM
Now I look like a birthday cake
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Hmmm... Rainbolt cake!
 
@Optimizer not sure how much it adds over the answer score prediction challenge
and you need to factor in date of posting, because later answers will obviously have it easier
also, you'll probably want people to use some data from the SE API, but at the same time you don't want them to post an answer that converges to the correct answer as the 5th draws nearer
 
2:34 PM
@MartinBüttner I have some thoughts on preventing that. will talk in around 20 minutes
 
2:46 PM
if you guys want to help Sp3000 out to a gold badge, codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/42265/8478 needs 3 more upvotes ;)
 
Out of votes.
 
Ahaha :P alternatively I could just wait another month for Fanatic :P
 
But why would it give him a gold badge?
 
@ProgramFOX populist ;)
 
Oh wait no.
Nevermind.
 
2:48 PM
tbh I'm surprised it got more upvotes than the question, but judging from the fact that your comment got more upvoted than the second highest answer...
 
@ProgramFOX I'm not gonna accept a suboptimal answer though ;)
(btw, I'm actually in the same situation codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/35767/8478 :D)
 
My logic was a bit broken...
 
Does Populist apply retroactively if the accepted answer eventually hits 10?
 
yup
that's how I got my first populist
 
Oh, that makes things a bit easier
I guess the rules of PPCG make it a bit easier to get Populist
Since there's a very good reason why the top-voted isn't accepted
 
2:51 PM
yup
lol, I'm looking forward to all the bounties over the next two weeks
 
How come? Which hat?
 
Gelt and a hat for a bounty on Christmas
Speaking of bounties...
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Q: Create a chatbot for the Stack Exchange chatrooms

ProgramFOXThe challenge The goal of this challenge is to create a chatbot that can run in the chatrooms of Stack Exchange. Your bot needs to be able to detect when specific commands are posted by a user and respond to it. This is the list of commands, and what your bot should do: !!newest: output the ti...

^ offered +100 bounty.
 
yes, I noticed :D
 
3:06 PM
@ProgramFOX Why this rule? "To see whether a new message is posted, you must use WebSockets."
When our customer says stuff like that, we reject the requirement with a reason of "This is an implementation detail that should be left up to us." (in more polite words)
 
@Rainbolt If everyone uses the same method, answers are compared to each other for using the same method. That's the most fair in my opinion.
 
@MartinBüttner so , that question. (1) I want to allow questions to query only 2 days worth of information. 1 is the date of posting of question (which can be taken in from a file) and the other will be 25th December.
 
@ProgramFOX I thought we were using as a scoring mechanism. Are you saying that you want to use "everyone does the same thing" as a scoring mechanism?
 
@MartinBüttner (2) It would be on the theme of Winter Bash, so we can make the next week as winter bash themed and have this question
 
Anyway, I think implementation details are best left to the competitors, and since there are no answers as of yet (and it's still day 1 on the bounty), you might consider loosening the restrictions.
 
3:12 PM
Hm, yeah, I see your point.
 
I can see at least three rules that essentially tell people how to do it, not what to do.
 
@Rainbolt Three? Which are the other ones?
 
Half of 2, all of 5, and all of 7
 
@Rainbolt Why 7? Web requests (except the necessary ones) are not allowed. That's a "what" rule.
About 2, I agree, but I prefer keeping it there to immediately make clear why I provide a username and password.
 
Why the ban on web requests?
 
3:15 PM
Standard loopholes.
 
(Any "how" can be changed to a "what" if you just ban all the alternatives)
 
I also link to those but just to explain that some specific web requests are allowed, I added an extra rule for that.
 
You're probably right. I don't know what loophole you are referring to but I'm sure you have encountered problems with it before.
 
Challenge edited @Rainbolt
 
Cool. I'm going to at least start writing my submission tonight. I'm at work for the next 7 hours
I kind of want to focus on writing a good bot rather than winning the competition.
 
3:20 PM
I was referring to this loophole:
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A: Standard "loopholes" which are no longer funny

Peter TaylorFetching the desired output from an external source This includes doing an HTTP request to fetch the page with the question and extracting a solution from that page. This was mildly amusing back in 2011, but now is derivative and uninteresting.

It's not exactly the same, but still.
 
Ah, I see.
 
When I see a moderator around, I will ask to unfreeze the official testing room, because it has been frozen due to inactivity.
 
huh, Deoxyribonucleic ASCII was my 5th challenge... I could have sworn I had already posted a lot more challenges at the time
 
Some kind of heater fire at work. No work getting done on this beautiful Monday morning. Fun.
 
sounds like the heater is doing what it's supposed to
 
3:31 PM
Martin trying to get the TARDIS? :P
 
ummmm...
:D
 
so the iOS app does not install on OSX ?
 
it's probably not that easy though
 
even windows is better in this case :/
booted my macbook for nothing
 
Hmm that's awkward. My reference implementation's wrong. :/
 
3:37 PM
@MartinBüttner You'd think that, but the blower isn't working, so none of the heat is getting to the rest of the building anyway. Just burning insulation it appears.
The fire department has been searching for a while now. They're confident it's burning something, but they can't find it.
 
what just happened...
oh...
I got 3 hats for a single upvote on SciFi
 
what ?
 
but none that I didn't have on PPCG already
Fascinating, Warm Welcome and Saint Lucia
 
Ahaha nice
 
lol
every time I see chat now, I wonder who this llama is :/
 
3:48 PM
@MartinBüttner Saint Lucia + Snow Covered Dirt Block = Chocolate Birthday Cake.
 
with "icing"
why is it called icing anyway?
 
The thin, glazy stuff looks kinda like a coating of ice. Frosting is thicker, but people use them interchangeably now.
Of course, frosting has the same ice-like origins I'd guess.
 
that kinda makes sense, thanks
I also never noticed that both frosting and icing exist for basically the same thing (which isn't even cold)... although I did know both of the terms, but I always heard/read them with enough of a break in between, not to notice that it wasn't always the same word :D
 
I think people just had to find something to call it beside "liquid sugar" so they could convince themselves it was a good idea to eat it ;)
 
:D
the literal translation of the German equivalent is "sugar pour" or "sugar cast"
 
3:57 PM
Sounds about right :)
 
@Rainbolt I now also edited Rule 2 because logging on would not be necessary if you run your bot as JavaScript on the chat room page.
 
4:14 PM
I got a hat!
oh. Apparently, from the sidebar, so did everybody else
 
@ProgramFOX I like that. You could create a bookmarklet out of it so if it crashes you just refresh the page you are back in action.
Plus, I bet JQuery would be useful for answering a lot of the questions you requested.
 
@Rainbolt Better use a userscript for that purpose.
 
I don't know what a userscript is
(Other than a script that you can use)
 
It's a JavaScript script that runs automatically when you go to a page, if you installed it. You can install userscripts using the Greasemonkey add-on (in Firefox) or using the Tampermonkey add-on (in Chrome).
Would a Connect Four KotH be a duplicate of this?
 
I was thinking of something slightly less complicated than that. You can just save this as a bookmark and it will run: javascript:alert('Hi');
If you try to navigate to it, Chrome will just remove the javascript: bit, but if you save it as a bookmark it will alert "Hi"
 
4:26 PM
That might work too. But a userscript is made for automatically running things. And you'll probably have to run the bookmark manually before it starts.
 
4:51 PM
@ProgramFOX how did u get Gelt
its not December 16th yet
 
> Unless the requirement mentions a specific timezone, hats that are date-based are often awarded for 12 hours before and 13 hours after the specified date in UTC, to accomodate people everywhere in the world. This means you can earn such a hat even though for you it's not even that day yet.
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A: Why didn't (or did) I or some other user get a hat although the requirements were (or weren't) fulfilled?

balphaLeeway on date-based hats Unless the requirement mentions a specific timezone, hats that are date-based are often awarded for 12 hours before and 13 hours after the specified date in UTC, to accomodate people everywhere in the world. This means you can earn such a hat even though for you it's no...

@Optimizer ^
 
nice
what are the requirements of Kofia ?
so my any first post after 26th Dec makes me get that hat ?
 
> first post between 12/26 and 1/1
I think "first post" means the very first posts on a site, but I'm not sure.
 
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