@tohecz Just think if they'd have advertised it as £6.00 including free post and packing, you'd have thought it a bargain and bought 2

@DavidCarlisle well, the listing price is around GBP 6 actually :)

@tohecz see:-)

and btw, you've never got anything from PRC, TW or HK with the free delivery over $1 but with estimated postage time 14-28 days? :)

and the most funny thing is, I've made a delivery from the UK amazon today and missed that this item is on sold :( It could have cost only like 20p only topped in that package

@tohecz it's not whether it works it's just I'm not sure multiple expandafter, mathcardef and "10000 are suitable the line after explaining how \renewcommand works:-)

@DavidCarlisle well, tough when learning, easy when using they said ;)

@egreg done! tex.stackexchange.com/a/210278

@LaRiFaRi And voted

@egreg merci vielmals

actually I just wanted you to remove that comment :-) But I take the points for my EB Garamond distortion

@percusse VVVVVV

That should give him a starting point.

@Johannes_B Too few ducks in your answer.

@DavidCarlisle lies, lies, lies. :)

@PauloCereda what a thing to say

@DavidCarlisle Sorry. :) s/lies/excuses/g

Can somebody with a clear had have a look at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/209993/…, more specifically at the example with the demo package. I had to copy the definition of \next@tpage from scrextend to the demo package.

@PauloCereda I could use a squashed duck gravatar instead of a green square in my drop caps answer

@DavidCarlisle Stretched duck. :P

extendedfeature=title

@DavidCarlisle: You got mail.

@PauloCereda You know me, Portuguese Chinese, English, no language is a barrier I'm as fluent as Google in all of them.

@DavidCarlisle <3

Too quiet in here. :)

@PauloCereda Faça algum barulho depois .

damn it doesn't understand "then" in context.

@DavidCarlisle ooh advanced Portuguese. :)

Então faça algum barulho would be more appropriate. :)

@PauloCereda must remember to check the reverse translation before posting next time.

@DavidCarlisle It's not wrong, but it would be more suitable as a reply to my comment. :)

@PauloCereda yes reverse translation translated it as make some noise later which rather misses the point of current quietness:-)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@PauloCereda I don't bother with umbrellas. My natty hat keeps the rain off me!

@NicolaTalbot ooh! :)

@egreg: So @David apparently is saved for now in the UK-TUG meeting. :)

@NicolaTalbot You're surely carrying a saucepan in your bag.

@egreg I don't know what happens in Italian TeX meetings but UKTUG meetings in Oxford colleges, are very genteel affairs, with little violence.

@Nicola: your videos are awesome! Congrats for this epic milestone!

@egreg I'll have to get a bigger bag :-)

@PauloCereda Ahh, thanks :-)

Too quiet, part 2.

Good maen

@PauloCereda haha :)

Vim: 1; Emacs: (( $vim + 1 ))

github.com/vermiculus/stack-mode/pull/9

@SeanAllred We all know that Emacs is a full OP without a good text editor. This just supports the statement.

@tohecz It's not enough of an operating system yet. And it's a damned fine editor :) Honestly though, evil-mode is probably better than either Emacs or Vim alone.

@PauloCereda quack :)

@tohecz Quack! :)

@PauloCereda A duck!

@JosephWright A duck!

My plan is to have vim inside my browser, and not the other way around. :)

@DavidCarlisle: Speaking of browsers, did you see Mozilla is promising a new browser made specially for developers in November the 10th?

@PauloCereda suspiro, espero que não tenha removido mathml ...

@DavidCarlisle I don't think so.

@DavidCarlisle Should I fix this sentence too? :)

Again, it's not wrong, but it sounds different. :)

@PauloCereda you/they wrong I guess but I couldn't tell if it was forward or back translation that got confused

@DavidCarlisle :)

@JosephWright @David Can you confirm me please that (1) you can get Oyster card basically everywhere and return it everywhere and (2) the fare is really more than 50% discount when you have it?

@tohecz well I could look it up on the website but never used one

@percusse I have to say, i really don't understand most of the comments. Is it due to a lack of language skills? I am trying to figure out, what the OP meant by that comment.

@PauloCereda Vimium?

@DavidCarlisle I looked at the website, but it seems to be intentionally too complicated (so that local people get good tariffs and foreign people choose something stupid)

@Johannes_B For Chrome. :) For Firefox, it's VimFx. :)

@PauloCereda I have sommething similar, but i am not really satisfied.

@Johannes_B VimFx is quite good IMHO.

@PauloCereda My firefox doesn't show it in the list of add ons.

Reminds me that i have to urgently clean my drive, make a full and complete reinstall of a nice OS and finally install TL 14.

@PauloCereda Did you like my titlepage answer?

@tohecz last time we went to london we spent an evening trying to work out best ticket to get, then when we got to the station we sensibly used the human ticket office instead of the machine, and the lady said "you don't want that ticket you want one of these" (a different ticket from a different company altogether, for the same train:-) at about 2/3 the cost. It's not just foreigners that are confused....

@DavidCarlisle that's for trains. I'm worried about London zones 1-2 (since the farthest we'll travel is probably Greenwich)

@tohecz train in plus all local bus and underground in the inner zones, but confusion is same whatever, perhaps Joseph is a regular visitor to the capital and has better information (I'm averaging less than a day a year at present)

@Johannes_B Love it! :)

@PauloCereda <3

@Johannes_B: addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/vimfx

@Johannes_B <3

@PauloCereda Not available for Firefox 26.0

@Johannes_B Oh my!

I'm with FF33. :)

@Johannes_B try this instead

addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/firemacs

@PauloCereda I think i tried vimfx on the laptop of a freind (the one with the buggy wlan a while back). It was better, indeed.

@DavidCarlisle oy

<3

@PauloCereda only 33?

@DavidCarlisle My laptop is pretty old by now, i think anything working like emacs will destroy the memory.

@DavidCarlisle I thought you'd look at me with disapprovement. :)

@DavidCarlisle Or worse :-)

@Johannes_B I didn't get a home computer until i could get one that ran emacs, it was a 486 with 1000K memory running windows for workgroups 1.1, I would guess your laptop has more memory than that

@DavidCarlisle Just tried to run emacs. It was a great success

For the record: Bad review

@DavidCarlisle 32.0.2 here :)

It's bad because of "No Action Required" after two comments were made about it being bad.

@tohecz 36

@Werner well, the review is fine IMHO. He could have upvoted one of the comments to change it from NoAction to Done. Remember that he can't VTD

@tohecz Hmmm... I would have flagged it as "Not an Answer". I hadn't thought of what you mentioned though.

@Werner it would be right probably, but after two 10k+ users having commented, not quite necessary. However, the review queue is guilty here.

Anyone online for a quick tikz/pgfplots pointer? I've got a loglog graph of different scales (so say one axis goes from -10 to -1 and the other -6 to -4). I'm trying to draw a circle at a particular point, just to mark a feature. I'm doing \draw (1,1) circle [blue,radius=1]; but of course a circle on this scale is an ellipse. How do I tell tikz to (locally) forget scaling (other than working out the ratios and drawing the appropriate ellipse that will display as a circle)?

@tohecz Yes and yes

Got it: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108332/…

@JosephWright thanks, that's good to know :) Btw, don't you know why I believe you work at IC London?

@tohecz Nope, I'm in Norwich

@tohecz I go through London a lot to go to my mum's, so I have an Oyster

@JosephWright ah ok :) Well, as I said before, if you were around sometime 14-18, we could meet. If not, then maybe another time :)

What are everyone's opinions on the FSF?

@tohecz Oyster cards save you about 50%. You cannot buy them at all stops, but you can at a lot. I am not sure what you mean by return it.

dum di dum...

@StrongBad well, it's written somewhere that you pay GBP5 for the card, which is returnable.

@SeanAllred Stallman + emacs = nope. :)

@PauloCereda you + emacs = yep :)

@tohecz Ah, I have never tried to return my oyster card. I don't know where you can do that.

Stallman is a bit of a nut job these days, but I don't think the entire FSF supports him

@StrongBad ok, I'll search once more. Thanks

@SeanAllred 'These days'?

He's like a not-so-benevolent Guido von Rossum

@JosephWright Touché. :)

@PauloCereda Frank has some LPPL-related story about him

@JosephWright Let's put it this way: probably as long as I've been alive.

@JosephWright Really? Do tell, please. :)

@PauloCereda I forget the details, I'm afraid

(I ask because Stefan Monnier has asked me to submit stack-mode to the GNU ELPA.)

@StrongBad btw, welcome in the TeXroom :)

@JosephWright actually stallman was quite reasonable about LPPL (unlike some who might remain nameless:-)

@JosephWright 'might' ?

@tohecz It is on this page: tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/replacements-and-refunds/…

@DavidCarlisle He wasn't the one arguing freedom to call 950 g a kilogram, then

@JosephWright That's just… really dumb…

@JosephWright not as far as I recall:-) (but then he only sent a couple of messages in a thread with over 1000)

There's really no other expression for it

@SeanAllred well actually it's not so dumb

@DavidCarlisle 950g will never equal 1kg

@SeanAllred well, what if I write it in small print on the door of my shop? :)

@DavidCarlisle: You edited the 'metafun ConTeXt' question out of meaning of my 'joke' :-(

@tohecz ._.

@SeanAllred but that doesn't mean someone should not have the right to say it is, and more particularly one shouldn't use software copyright to enforce the issue. Stallman's point is that you can take the source of gcc and change it so that the sin function returns 42 for all values. If you do it is (a) stupid, and (b) the result is not conformant to the C standard, but the licence condition on the source allows you to do it.

@ChristianHupfer ?

@DavidCarlisle: The OP wrote "I want to ... bla bla", and I wrote 'We want a MWE' .. as a review comment

@DavidCarlisle Makes sense to me, actually—in the more general sense of problem/solution. The process of code review should weed out these errors—it just requires that everyone invests the time.

At any rate, I've got to go back into work. Thanks everyone!

I may have left for Emacs.SE, but my heart will always be here. <3

@ChristianHupfer actually how did the OP post I tried to just do the usual low rep include the mage thing, but it said there were not enough characters so I just copied the title into the body so I could post.

@DavidCarlisle: Nevermind ;-) Somebody even upvoted the post...

@PauloCereda: Are you to blame? ;-)

@ChristianHupfer I assume that was on the grounds of maintaining the convention of never going below -1

@DavidCarlisle: Ok, I remember that... I neither up- or downvoted it

@ChristianHupfer nor me:-)

@DavidCarlisle: By the way: It's neither ... nor ..., isn't it?

@ChristianHupfer probably yes (although i didn't notice it, that is it didn't "jump out" as obviously wrong:-)

@ChristianHupfer yes, officially :)

@DavidCarlisle: Strange English grammar ;-)

@tohecz: Thanks

@ChristianHupfer I actually find English grammar very easy to capture. Well, there are things that are strange, but in general, it's quite nice an logical.

@ChristianHupfer What?

@PauloCereda: Nevermind ;-)

@ChristianHupfer english is almost completely ambiguous in its use of "(n)or" there may be a grammar but it's hard to spot:-)

@SeanAllred Traitor. :)

@DavidCarlisle: I remembered a former teacher of mine who insisted 'neither...nor'... in the very moment I have pressed the return key (for the previous statement of mine...) Well, she was no native speaker anyway...

@Johannes_B which one?

@SeanAllred Nothing is 1kg anyway. All our templates including the master template got contaminated so everything is about a kilogram ;)

My favorite Stallman caricature is from WTFPL site :)

@percusse As I understand it, all (save one) SI units have absolute physical definitions (1s = so many oscillations of Ce11+ or something like that, etc.)

the gram might be that single one, but I can't remember. It seems like it'd be an easy-ish thing to define, no?

@SeanAllred Yes mass will be redefined very soon.

@percusse Hah! Too accurate :) I wonder what the LPPL would look like?

@SeanAllred: As a (theoretical) Physicsist I must say, that defining a mass unit is very difficult

@ChristianHupfer Mass is not going to be a fundamental unit anyway so no worries :)

@SeanAllred vvv

Que?

@DavidCarlisle Ha!

@DavidCarlisle I lol'd

A top-journal template with flaws in floats, making them leaking whitespace? WTF?

@tohecz I can tell you why. Who cares?

@percusse I do, if I'm about to submit a paper there!

@tohecz Again with no offense; Who cares?

I just did the worst thing ever: \vspace*{-\baselineskip}. I would correct the code, but it has 2600 lines and the float treatment is very cryptic

@percusse you speak like "let's drop any typography, we don't mind the articles look like shit."

@tohecz That's not me speaking. Blame the money printing machine

@percusse it sounds so, so maybe I misunderstand your "who cares?"?

@tohecz Journals don't care about typography or beauty or this or that. Authors do. And they get punished when their article is accepted.

You are just a guest in their store.

@percusse ah ok, now I get it.

@percusse And their motto is "the customer is always wrong"

@egreg Grrr, I should have thought of that punchline :)

@egreg yep. But you hate when it happens with a renown and not particularly Elsevier-like publisher.

I mean the whole existence of TeX is due to a journal :P

@percusse I thought Knuth was trying to tie his shoes. Then suddenly, there was TeX. :)

@tohecz: Tom, could I ask you a favour?

@PauloCereda no :p oh I mean, hit me! :)

@PauloCereda His shoes are Touring complete.

@tohecz Thank you! :) Do you know any reliable source for a sheet of Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring?

@percusse LOL indeed. :) Shoe lacing is not NP-hard for Knuth. :) For me, although, it is. :)

@PauloCereda is it this thing, right? youtube.com/watch?v=FwWL8Y-qsJg

@PauloCereda NP means Not-a-Problem for many salesmen.

@tohecz Correct. :)

@percusse LOL

@PauloCereda searching

@percusse Good question. I forgot to post the link. Please give me some time, i'll search for it in the morning.

Shoes are just plain NP-difficult.

@PauloCereda are you logged on gtalk?

@PauloCereda imslp.org/wiki/…

@egreg yep, that's the one. Part 10 :)

@tohecz, @egreg: wow, thank you guys!

@PauloCereda Look at this score: conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/8/87/…

@PauloCereda there're piano excerpts out there: free-scores.com/download-sheet-music.php?pdf=540

@PauloCereda The arranger is quite well known around here, isn't she?

@egreg oh my! :)

But actually it isn't Jill Knuth. ;-)

@egreg ah no :(

@egreg Fraktur. :)

@PauloCereda I was just going to point this out :) It's German, let's make it fraktur

@egreg Johann Sebastian Knuth. :)

@tohecz Automatic German. :)

@PauloCereda :)

@egreg @Paulo Printed. Now I have some material for the Xmas service, just have to decide between piano and organ

@tohecz ooh. :)

@tohecz This must be sung!

@egreg get me a choir and I'm in :)

@tohecz \usepackage{choir} :)

@PauloCereda oh :)

@tohecz What I can say is that's not easy to get in with the choir, but it is true for every figured chorale.

@egreg well, you need a conductor, but then I can't see that person anyways when sitting at the organ, no matter what :-/

well, the sheet music is nice, no pedale needed (still I know people who would play bass on pedale, alto by LH and soprano by RH)

@tohecz The one I like most is the last chorale in the Christmas Oratorio, which is on the same melody of O Haupt voll Blut und Wunden: it's amazing how Bach could add music and harmonies using the same melody for expressing either joy or sorrow.

@egreg oh that one of my fav pascha hymns! :)

@egreg ooh that's great!

and yes, he's amazing

I hope the rain would go away, but it seems to be moving while not moving :( accuweather.com/en/fr/national/weather-radar

well, I'll go anyways, I'll be at home at midnight ...

At 2:17:25 mark

@egreg pretty cool.

Now, good bye!

@tohecz Good night!

@egreg well, good bike first, then good night :)

@tohecz Take care and don't cross on red light!

@egreg don't worry, I'll do it only with no cops around ;)

bye

@egreg done tex.stackexchange.com/a/210317

@egreg I did not even want to write any more, when you found the dupe seconds after my answer. But I can't delete an accepted answer. Well... I wrote some lines and the dupe post should clarify the rest

@egreg and thanks for the first 7 seconds of the vid. I am a timpanist and did not expect such cool stuff here.

Good night everybody!

@LaRiFaRi The opening choir seems to be quite tough for the timpanist. Good night! You got my last vote for the day.

@AlanMunn facultyoflanguage.blogspot.nl/2014/10/… Again? hahaha....