The Comms Room

Nathan C

17:00

@HopelessN00b Permissions on the GPO to block the child OU members? Not really well-versed in group policy things.

Dan

@HopelessN00b At the OU level, no, there's not - but you could use WMI filters (not recommended) or a Groups based deny (Or more selective apply)

Alternatively, apply an override to disable software restriction

Finally, apply the software restrictions policies further down the tree to remove inheritance altogether / create your OU at a higher level

Dirty hack would be to block inheritence on that OU and apply all other GPO's manually - I have to do this all the time on customer sites to stop shite GPO's hitting my stuff

HopelessN00b

@Dan yeah, I tried linking an inverse policy in the child OU, but did shit, I ended up with matching disallow and unrestricted rules, and the disallows have precedence. Blech. The Groups idea is a good one, though. I'll give that a go.

Basically just need an OU/group to temporarily put computers in for installing software, because it seems that every damned installer in the world runs afoul of our anti-ransomware SRPs. I'm a bit surprised that it's this... um ... convoluted to implement.

Dan

@HopelessN00b I'd just do a clean OU with block inheritence, tbh

Although you'll then get dicked with idiots click the "Enforce" option because they think it's enforcing the settings with the GPO for some reason

HopelessN00b

@Dan Yeah, but then they lose their site-specific settings, firewall exceptions slam shut, big pain in the ass, given that most of our users are at remote sites and dumb as house plants.

Dan

@HopelessN00b Ooh, I see, not like a build OU

In that case, skip the OU

Add a group called "Temporary Software Installation" or something and deny the SRP GPO for that group. Reboot the machine, job done :)

HopelessN00b

17:11

I can't find a decent Q about this on the main... May as well post one, I suppose. Have a reasonable question in a sea of "how do I sync my code repository to India" and "my super-PC is borken" questions.

cole

@MichelZ I thought so

I'm looking at it like "That's not...a service account"

Nathan C

Trying to troubleshoot our phone system...figures we'd get one where support is ...lacking.

At least without filing a detailed support ticket.

Magellan

17:28

That's what support contracts are for

Mornin all

mfinni

1

Q: Quest Migration Manager for Exchange, and custom Managed Folders - causing duplicates

So, we're doing a big cross-forest Exchange (2010->2010) migration, using Quest. It is not working correctly for mailboxes that have custom Managed Folders, which my client uses instead of retention policies. Quest will bring over the "Managed Folders" hierarchy to the target mailbox, but not as...

exchange-2010

Quest DIE DIE DIE DIE

MichelZ

DELL you mean

:)

Nathan C

@Magellan Yeah I know...it's just a weird issue. Phones outside the VOIP network can see the configuration server (as it's being routed by our firewall so people can access their control panels) and get calls and all that stuff ...except they can't view voicemail on the phone.

When they get voicemail, it takes over a day for the phone to recognize it

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b w:(

Nathan C

I'm leaning towards a port entry but I'm not sure...never a dull moment. :P

mfinni

17:38

@MichelZ Regardless

HopelessN00b

@mfinni What's wrong with Quest? They make good shit. It's the crappy admins and devs who rely on their tools as a crutch that need to die.

Oh, nevermind, I see. Maybe your client should use this opportunity to switch to retention policies? :)

Anyway, for @Dan to get some rep off of, if he wants it.

2

Q: How do I block inheritance/application of single GPO?

Due to the workload generated by recent ransomware outbreaks (Cryptolocker/Cryptowall/etc.), I was recently tasked with implementing Software Restriction policies to block program execution from temporary directories. This is generally working well enough, but we have a problem when we need to i...

windows active-directory group-policy

Dan

@HopelessN00b Cheers :)

HopelessN00b

17:54

Thanks much, sir. Punching up instructions and dumping the problem off to the helldesk team now. :)

MichelZ

you mean taking a dump on the helldesk?

mfinni

@HopelessN00b Yes, that would be great, if we weren't planning on moving the corporate office (the bulk of the users with large mailboxes and "exempt from retention" custom managed folders) tomorrow.

If Quest can't work properly with known behavior of custom Managed Folders, then advertise that as a limitation and we can work around it. We're raising it as an issue now and they're saying "nope, designed behavior"

We spent a lot of money on Quest so that we would have less headaches during this divestiture

MichelZ

@mfinni yeah, as if vendors advertise deficiencies of a product :)

HopelessN00b

@mfinni Sounds like you need a manager to say "nope, stopping payment!"

Not generally a fan of managers, but I've found that vendors generally fix their shit fast when a manager says that.

mfinni

18:12

@HopelessN00b That's pretty much next steps

MichelZ

now iOS and Windows are the same

8.1

is the next iOS now 10 as well?

Hennes

No, 11. It has to be one higher

Also, 11 looks more symmetrical. Which should appeal to Apple fans.

MichelZ

or they try iOS X

mfinni

@MichelZ iXi

Many machines on Ix. New machines

tombull89

18:38

interesting > live.arstechnica.com/microsoft-cloud-briefing

Ry Jones

@tombull89 needs more buzzwords, but the MICROSOFT (HEART) LINUX slide is nice

faker

I read hyperscale and just noped back out

Ry Jones

wonder what nanoscale is. sixteen bytes of ram and a k of disk? 1/4 iops?

Michael Hampton

mslinux.org

faker

"Java on Azure is officially supported by Oracle, "the only public cloud they support"" -- oh that changes EVERYTHING!!1

Michael Hampton

18:46

Until they start their own public cloud.

faker

why do they need to support a cloud anyway? They release a JDK for a set of OS' which they support.
It shouldn't matter which hardware they run on

pure PR BS

freiheit

@faker Officially, the only VM platform they support is their own. Because you might conceivably come up with some problem that comes down to something virtualization-related... (however, my Oracle DBs on VMware guests are all fine...)

ewwhite

Interesting interview

Michael Hampton

@freiheit If you use their VM platform they'll actually give you a break on Oracle DB licensing. Which is about its only compelling feature.

And it's just a layer on KVM anyway.

freiheit

@MichaelHampton We have a systemwide-negotiated site license...

The site license of pain, misery and suffering...

Michael Hampton

18:55

All the Oracle you can eat?

freiheit

@MichaelHampton Well, not every software product they have, but all the DB stuff and a bunch of other stuff... And, yeah, within that, all you can choke on.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, choke on sounds right.

HopelessN00b

@faker Isn't Java supposed to be compile-once-run-everywhere anyway? Or have they admitted that's a load of shit yet?

ewwhite

I could use a sanity check here... Would it make sense to tell a customer that their environment is too jacked-up (broken) to work on?

HopelessN00b

Depends on how much they're offering, but sure. I've noticed that cheap and jacked-up seem to go hand-in-hand a lot.

Ry Jones

19:03

@ewwhite "I cannot support your current configuration as it is too far outside of best practices."

ewwhite

Context:

Oct 17 at 16:14, by ewwhite

From client BOSS: Ed, MOST of these issues are on ME …We love you, think your doing a great job. I am trying to get MY staff to become proficient on our systems and NOT rely so much on outside help. Nick does great work, you do great work, etc … My people would NEVER learn about our systems if we just contract all the work out, so this is why we are having so many “after the fact” questions coming you way.

Oct 17 at 16:14, by ewwhite

They have instructions to perform the work themselves so THEY LEARN by doing and fixing and ooops that did not work, etc ….. If we just hire you to do all the work, they LOSE the hands on learning. Thanks for you understanding and for helping us AFTER the fact

HopelessN00b

Keep upping your rates for after-the-fact shit until they either stop fucking things up, or find someone else?

ewwhite

But the damage is done... a bad Active Directory name, non-functional DNS, no control of their own firewall or networking equipment (outside network admin) and other craziness.

Ry Jones

@HopelessN00b agreed

@ewwhite fire your client

ewwhite

I think there's a step between receiving the above message and firing them

I'm trying to determine what it should be

HopelessN00b

19:05

@ewwhite Ugh, yeah. $5,000 just to look, $1,000 an hour to... rebuild ... um, everything.

Wesley

@RyJones Or make a shit ton of money off of them. =) I'm more fine now than ever letting clients fire me over money

@ewwhite Money.

ewwhite

Just jack the billing time up?

I want to kinda suggest a refactor/rebuild of what's there

but I feel like the customer also needs to be set straight because letting people just mess shit up isn't a good way to develop them

Ry Jones

why do you want to do this?

is it the paycheck or not?

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Maybe cataloging/explaining why it's not possible to unfuck their shit after the fact? Although, sounds like that'd take some time too... I'd be happy to just leave it at "You've architected your environment into a colossal cluster fuck, and it's not salvageable. You need to either pay me to set it up again, properly, or find someone else who's willing to deal with this quagmire."

ewwhite

@RyJones because they asked me to bid on a VMware/SAN/AD/Exchange/new PC infra project

then rejected me because it was "too cheap"

my bid was 50% of their employee's design.

so I lost out on a BIG project...

HopelessN00b

19:09

@ewwhite Sounds like you could/should throw in a "rebuild everything" line item to become massively more expensive.... since that seems to be what they want. Fits nicely with what they need, which is a new everything anyway.

ewwhite

they did their own thing... and are asking for help to fix all the stuff they didn't think about or know about

Ry Jones

@ewwhite move on, you don't need them

ewwhite

@RyJones well, I DO support their Linux servers. (runs the same DB as the produce sites), so there's that.

but I'll call and explain how messed up their other stuff is

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Sounds like the way to go. "Sorry, the stuff you set up yourself is too jacked up for me to untangle."

Wesley

@ewwhite I would say that since your rates are already high-ish (not in a bad way), if all of this un-jacking is billed at normal rates, and normal off-hours rates, they'll see a meaty 5 figure bill and say "WAT"

ewwhite

19:14

@Wesley they'll just pay. (which is not a problem... just frustrating)

Wesley

@ewwhite That's jank as hell.

ewwhite

an example... they asked me to rebuild their old prod Linux server into a dev server

Wesley

@ewwhite Well... okay. =/ Is the money enough to make you happy with the situation?

ewwhite

the Devs were antsy to get on it... and realized that the server was off (I'm writing its kickstart now)

Wesley

I mean, if I could make $10k a week off of someone being a screw up, I'd be pretty okay with it.

2

ewwhite

19:15

so they powered it on and started using it

Wesley

I'm a greedy little boy.

=)

@ewwhite That's awful.

HopelessN00b

@Wesley Right, this. Why not just take the money? I sure would.

ewwhite

So I powered the server off...

and they powered it on again.

so I just erased it

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite "Oh, damn, they wrecked all the everythings! Now I'll have to bill another 10 hours. Cha-ching!"

Nathan C

@ewwhite The technology equivalent of a nuke :p

ewwhite

19:16

I'm sometimes honest!

Wesley

@HopelessN00b The only possible downside I could think of is if 1) There's more money to be made in longer term, easier, and less heartburn inducing contracts, and 2) If I'm just not being professionally developed or challenged to be a marketable pro in the long term. $10k a week is great, but if it's dealing with NT 3.51 until 2020, then I'm kinda screwed out of a job.

@ewwhite I love that. =D

ewwhite

@Wesley you're totally right

the first time I did an install for this place, they videotaped me doing the server install

(yes, videotape)

Wesley

@ewwhite FFS

That's horrible.

HopelessN00b

@Wesley Take the short-term paydays -> invest wisely -> financial independence -> who needs an effing job?

Nathan C

blegh, digium phones are annoying sometimes

ewwhite

19:19

@NathanC really? Why?

I liked Digium

Nathan C

@ewwhite Having trouble with phones that are outside the config server's subnet

Wesley

@HopelessN00b I dunno, I like working. I like working in IT.

ewwhite

no tftp?

Nathan C

Everything works except voicemail retrieval via the phone interface

Wesley

If I was independently wealthy I'd still do sysadmin stuff.

ewwhite

19:20

oh, so a software issue

Nathan C

just spits back a "500" error

I feel like it's a simple port config (the server is routed via our firewall), but I have no idea.

HopelessN00b

@Wesley I do too... but I bet I'd like it a lot more if I was rich enough to say "fuck this place and all your crazy dumbassery. I'm out, fix it yourself."

Nathan C

But, it's technically not my problem since it was our contractor that sold us the equipment, soooooo....

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b it's a weird sense of power.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite That too... honestly, though, I'm more about the... well, eliminating the "what it pays" component makes the world look very different. I'd love to be able to hack away at shit I find interesting, rather than what some idiot sociopath in a suit think is economically useful.

ewwhite

19:25

@HopelessN00b maybe you should go on your own... or with a super small firm

ownership and accountability.

These fuckers rebooted the server while it was installing CentOS.

Wesley

@ewwhite Like, just now??

ewwhite

yes

Wesley

Oh man.

Ry Jones

so fire them

Wesley

Just think, you're making $3.50 every minute. Now smile.

:D

Or yeah, fire them.

Iain

19:29

@ewwhite how long does that take to install CentOS ?

Ry Jones

they're actively frustrating your efforts to do work.

ewwhite

@Iain since I have no access, I'm VPNed to my RDP jump server at my datacenter, then running an SSH tunnel through Putty to the client's site and the ILO of the server I'm rebuilding. They don't have DHCP and they don't know their switch/firewall passwords to allow me proper access.

and the network guy is in Eastern Europe...

kce

Hi friends!

ewwhite

@Iain net install from a minimal .ISO on another local server... should take 35 minutes

@kce hello!

Iain

@ewwhite I recently had to setup install from grub - I prefer it now to oob installs

ewwhite

19:33

@Iain How do you do it? It assumes Grub is already present, right?

I just erased this server

kce

How goes the battle? Your clients rebooting your server while you're using it?

ewwhite

while I'm building it

kce

Lovely. Hopefully you are getting paid hourly

ewwhite

I just leave the clock running while I go to lunch/dentist/walk-the-dog/poop

Iain

@ewwhite yeah, it's to allow something to be installed to a known base config but it does require that you can boot to grub already

ewwhite

19:37

@Iain so probably good for reinstalls?

Iain

@ewwhite very

ewwhite

I'll play with it. Always nice to have options.

like I'm still rebuilding servers for @JoelESalas - so maybe I'll do grub for the next one

kce

Recommendations for books about "managing" your manager?

ewwhite

@kce oooh, what's the story?

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards that. Then, I see what you put up with, and think that I'd end up in prison quick if I traded my headaches for your headaches.

kce

19:41

@ewwhite Nothing really. I just have a "passive" supervisor. I'm just trying to up my soft skills.

ewwhite

@kce my only advice...

Make people think that they come up with ideas...

gently suggest things in a manner and reinforce it with "good thought" or "excellent approach"...

for a passive supervisor, maybe they have some confidence issues...

kce

I've tried that but maybe I'm providing to many options.

ewwhite

Oh, go in knowing what you want them to go with.

kce

Probably more effective.

Iain

For passive managers decide what you want and present that or even say I'll do x unless you have any objections

kce

19:44

@Iain I need stuff and do not have purchasing authority.

ewwhite

@kce what type of stuff?

and do you know how the $ process works there?

HopelessN00b

@kce So... "I need you to purchase X for me so I can Y."

Iain

... it costs z and here are quotes

kce

@HopelessN00b, @Iain He likes to spec out the hardware so I can't just send 'em a quote.

Chris S

kce

19:46

I'll go with @ewwhite's suggestion and either wait for something or for something to break.

ewwhite

we're at a point where we need $8,000 for a new splined-rotisserator... If this is not replaced, the impact to operations will be X (and if you can express in terms of cost to business, $Y)

Wesley

@ewwhite Thus, suck it.

Chris S

Reticulating Splines

HopelessN00b

@kce Ugh. Sounds passive, and simultaneously micro-management-y. That sucks.

kce

@HopelessN00b I think he just likes hardware.

@ewwhite A bit more refined and direct that my attempts. I'll rephrase and try again.

HopelessN00b

19:48

@kce So? I like women... doesn't mean I involve myself in every female hire we do around here. =D

ewwhite

People luuuurv hardware and playing LEGO with components.

kce

@HopelessN00bThat's not what I heard...

Basil

@ChrisS he counts better than /b/

kce

and some of the younger male interns as well, especially the water polo players.

HopelessN00b

If he likes hardware, that's easy.. let him play with it after you spec it and get what you need ordered.

ewwhite

19:52

I should probably learn the difference between domain local, global and universal. Maybe @MichaelHampton knows.

kce

@ewwhite It's actually pretty simple:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/884417

Also - I thought you were a Linux Admin?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Windows? I know FORMAT C:

ewwhite

@kce I'm on my fourth Exchange deployment in a month...

2 days ago, by ewwhite

I used to be a Linux admin, didn't I?

kce

@ewwhite Wow. Anyway to summarize, it's basically the visibility of the object in domain, trusted domains or anything in the forest.

I think.

ewwhite

MDMarra created most of these as domain local

(file share security groups)

HopelessN00b

19:55

@ewwhite Meh. Rarely matters, especially for orgs with a simple, single forest/domain setup.

> If you plan to use one domain for all your servers and no Wide Area Network (WAN) exists, we recommend that you use domain local groups. For a local domain, the global catalog is not used.

ewwhite

hmm

HopelessN00b

Not like it generally matters, but that's probably why Mark did as he did.

ewwhite

And now I'm in the DFS management window... building skillz

HopelessN00b

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! DFS is not a skill you want to build. It's almost as bad as printers, man.

ewwhite

This place has 122 printers.

HopelessN00b

19:58

(I exaggerate a little. DFS namespaces are fine, DFS replication is ... just hell.)

ewwhite

oh, just using the namespace

I'd like to know more about the replication, though

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Not as full-featured or reliable as you want when it works, and a major pain in the ass when it doesn't (which seems to be most of the time).

kce

STOP! Lunch Time! (da na na nah, nah na, nah na!)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

3

ewwhite

that's silly

Wesley

20:05

@DennisKaarsemaker HASHTAG BIG BOOTY WHOOTY

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley #twurktle

Wesley

@ewwhite Oh yeah? Well @DennisKaarsemaker's face is silly.

Ry Jones

Little did they know the turtle was trying to get out from under the stream to save his life

wonder who @cole is beating up today

Wesley

I am doing so many evil, evil things with grep today.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley you're killing Jews with shell tools again?

Wesley

20:06

Grep, statistical analysis for dickweeds.

cole

@RyJones que?

Wesley

@DennisKaarsemaker Nothing I had considered typing in response was something I wanted a permanent public record of. :P

Ry Jones

@cole wondering which of your clients you're beating mercilessly today

cole

@RyJones I don't have clients to beat unfortunately.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley chat has a delete function...

Wesley

20:08

@DennisKaarsemaker I'm still paranoid.

Also, mods can see.

CAN'T CHAT NOW, MODS WILL EAT ME.

cole

Cannot figure out why I can't do a zone transfer of the top level domain to a secondary zone on a Windows server. Works for corp.company.com though. wat

It's really frustrating.

ewwhite

Client: You didn't wipe the old server yet, did you? We need a file from it.

On October 8 - hey [developers] are you guys OK and ready for Ed to WIPE OUT the old production server and reload it fresh ??? Speak now or forever hold your peace !!!!

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite "ewwhite, now offering file recovery services, starting at $1/byte."

Ry Jones

@ewwhite oops

HopelessN00b

20:25

@ewwhite I can recover their file for them for 10 cents per bit, provided they don't care about the order of the bits. :)

ewwhite

post-mortem time...

Ry Jones

what is this, the 90s? The investor has also argued that Yahoo should explore a merger with AOL "to both fully seize the cost reduction opportunity and also to tax-efficiently monetize Yahoo's noncore equity holdings."

HopelessN00b

Both Yahoo and AOL are in maximize-investor-value-by-liquidating territory, and have been... well, since the 90's.

Ry Jones

AOL's dialup service is still profitable.

mossy

I fucking hate networking.

Iain

20:34

Why's that ?

HopelessN00b

@RyJones Seems like they'd be able to make more money by selling their copper for scrap, though.

mossy

@Iain Collision domains and Cisco IOS annoy me. There are a few things i don't give a shit about and networking (above the basic fundamentals) is 1

acutally

fuck Cisco IOS mostly

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Mark Henderson

21:09

@mossy The more I use IOS the more I like it

3 years ago I'd never touched a Cisco device, now I have a small collection

A bunch of ASAs and a few ISR routers

Zoredache

Does anyone happen to know where the Hyper-V MMC stores the list of servers it autoloads?

Hennes

@ChrisS How to count to 11. Add windows ME

Wesley

21:35

@MarkHenderson BITE

What on earth: serverfault.com/questions/638436/…

Dude, just...

...no.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley nom

Michael Hampton

@Wesley Fuck that noise.

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Still running?

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Just started again this week

Wesley

21:52

@MarkHenderson Nice! I'll pretend I was your inspiration.

Mark Henderson

You kinda were

I saw what you wrote on the twitter

And then I was like "I should really start again"

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Yeah, I'm happier now that I accepted I can't run a 21 minute 5k yet.

So I'm just going for endurance.

My stamina is awful.

I have this weird thing where I look way fitter than I am.

People always ask "Hey, you been working out?" and I really haven't been.

So I can barely run 5MPH for 10 minutes straight.

Holy shit Emacs has a web browser now: lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-10/msg00713.html

Chopper3

Just saw the best film I've seen for years - "Nightcrawler" with Jake Gyllenhaal, absolutely the creepiest, most tense thing I've seen for years - properly breathtaking - really can't recommend it high enough.

Matt Bear

22:09

hey

so.. accounting has decided to be douchenozzles, and I now need to track my time precisely and bill it to departments...

Wesley

@Chopper3 Noted. I need a good movie to see these days.

@MattBear Sucks.

ewwhite

@MattBear I have some tips for that.

Wesley

@ewwhite Just the tips?

Matt Bear

they arent going to happy when they get billed for the time I spend tracking my time

Chopper3

@Wesley Honestly the most tense and creepy thing I've seen for years, breathtaking in parts

Matt Bear

22:10

and meetings about tracking time

@ewwhite yeah?

ewwhite

@MattBear I use a multiple time-tracker

an entry per client/project

Matt Bear

@ewwhite the problem really comes down to, how do I bill time for working on a server that hosts sites for multiple departments

ewwhite

and it's really not that bad if you have have multiple clocks.

If it's a shared resource, I bill ALL THE FUCKERS!!

Matt Bear

@ewwhite what software is that?

and I'm seriously going to bill accounting for the time spent doing this haha

ewwhite

It's a little jank, but it's called Inertak (Inertron)

and when i was forced to bill and track time at work, I tracked the time it took to track time

Matt Bear

22:15

@ewwhite I found it :p

how do I bill the time I spend looking it funny cat gifs?

Wesley

@MattBear So are you a contractor, or do you work internally as an employee but each department bills each other department?

Matt Bear

@Wesley internally

Wesley

@MattBear Lame.

Matt Bear

contractor would make sense

ewwhite

@MattBear "2 hours - internet webfilter content research"

Wesley

22:16

@MattBear So does it have an bearing on how much you get paid?

Matt Bear

@Wesley no

Wesley

@MattBear LAME.

Matt Bear

@ewwhite rofl

Wesley

@ewwhite Testing content filtering rules. Intrusion detection. Security.

ewwhite

"depositing to the spank-bank"

the usual

Wesley

22:19

Furious masturbation. $205 / hr

Matt Bear

"Researching the propagation of embedded malware in remote webservers"

@Wesley I got $205, I wanna see you furiously masturbate for 1 hour

but you must furiously masturbate for the entire time

Wesley

@MattBear Ripped forearms, brah.

Matt Bear

despite the chafing and bleeding

Wesley

@MattBear 55 gallon drum of lube, bray.

Matt Bear

@Wesley lube? pussy

dry dock it, that's the real mans way

Wesley

22:28

I am always surprised at how many people choose to use a product that they know zero about, and then want free consulting to dig themselves out of the hole they got themselves in.

"Well we're paying XYZ amount of monthly money for your hosted service, you should teach us how to computer!"

ewwhite

@MattBear I just envision raw skin and bleeding...

cole

@Wesley sounds like my work lol

Wesley

@cole It's ridiculous.

cole

@Wesley I live it

So, I found out today we're getting an additional headcount in 2015.

Wesley

At least we get paid for it.

@cole ...by the time you leave. :P

cole

22:33

lolol

Have fun filling TWO positions

Jacob

22:51

@cole The lols you could get working here...

cole

?

Jacob

@cole So many things we discover working with clients are hilarious.

Matt Bear

@ewwhite hence my willingness to pay :p but why are you envisioning @Wesley's bloody penis...

Jacob

@cole I'll trade.

HopelessN00b

23:18

@Wesley Makes a lot more sense when you put in the context of all the other stupid, shitty things people do, though.

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