English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

05:00

But does this room have any owners?

Johan Larsson

no owner is in italics, lemme show

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/7/c

Cerberus

I know.

I own a few rooms.

Johan Larsson

ok

more fighting?

Cerberus

I don't think so.

I wasn't here most of the time.

Johan Larsson

I was really surprised with Tom's reaction last night.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

05:12

I posted a long meta answer to @TheodoreBroda's Q

oh, I'm in the wrong room again.

@Cerberus Reg is this room's owner

in EL&U 2014 Election, 2 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I posted a long meta answer to @TheodoreBroda's Q

in EL&U 2014 Election, 1 min ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

oh, I'm in the wrong room again.

@Cerberus seriously are you still up?

Cerberus

No.

@JohanLarsson What was it?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's like you're living your life in GMT-6 or something

Johan Larsson

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 how do you mean?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 A room can have multiple owners, and mods don't really need to be owners?

Johan Larsson

It is 07:16 and I'm going to work

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

05:16

@Cerberus But he is this room's only owner

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Are you sure? It's Saturday.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus It was Midsommarafton yesterday, had to dodge a party to be able to put in a sessioon

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You have a point. Perhaps I shouldn't have singled out that word as offensive. It depends on the context. — Theodore Broda 8 mins ago

@JohanLarsson Oh, dear...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yay! context!

con! text! con! text!

Cerberus

05:18

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm odd.

Johan Larsson

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh I misread it as Cerb is the only owner

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus why is it odd?

Cerberus

I am.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Because mods can do everything owners can and more?

Johan Larsson

That makes sense to me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus But why couldn't they also be the owner of the room?

I think he created the room

Cerberus

05:22

I don't know.

> And they were chatting. Reg and Rob were telling jokes only they understood. Kosmonaut and Reg and others were having linguistics discussions that stretched beyond my armchair-linguist understanding. Etc. It was a lively place.

You don't remember me! The first linguistic discussions in this rooms were had between Kosmo and me!

whines softly

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Excellent Meta answer, by the way.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I didn't want to overdo the name-dropping.

Cerberus

Haha, flatterer.

No, overload was better.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I like -do

Anyway I can't find who created the room or when the ownership would have been assigned to reg. But for as far as I can recall it's always been his room.

Cerberus

OK.

I can accept that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

And since he's always here, we never really needed a second owner.

I don't think he was a mod when the room was created.

Cerberus

05:27

Oh, I see.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah it wasn't until like 6 months later that we had elections

Cerberus

Right.

I wasn't there when the site was created, alas.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm, I've been a member since 2010-08-13.

I'm glad I checked that. I didn't check before writing my meta post and was thinking that I might have been wrong about the timing of my joining vs chat creation :p

Now I see that I was right.

Of course I was.

once thought he was wrong, but it turns out he was mistaken.

Anyway. it's way late here.

I need to get to bed before something bad happens.

storms off

Alraxite

So, what does the room topic mean?

I never got it, at least not beyond the Jesus's turning-water-into-wine reference.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Unimpressive storming-off.

@Alraxite I forgot.

It is a reference to some funny spam post or other, I think.

Alraxite

05:41

Hmm, okay.

Cerberus

Bed time for me.

G'bye!

Alraxite

Goodnight!

Cerberus

Where did you live again?

Alraxite

You have an astonishing memory for someone with three brains' worth of storage.

Cerberus

I know.

I was thinking Romania, but no.

Alraxite

05:44

I'm from India.

Cerberus

Ahh that was it.

Well, consider it a compliment: your English sounds neutral enough for me not to have any association.

Or perhaps that compliment was not mine to give.

Good morning, and good bye!

Alraxite

Um, Okay. thanks!

@Cerberus I wanted to ask something though.

Cerberus

Yeah?

Alraxite

how do you store your passwords?

also any other important data.

Cerberus

Most are in Last Pass. A few important ones I memorize.

Important data, such as which?

Alraxite

05:46

Anything that can't be stored in text files.

Cerberus

I use Dropbox to back up some files?

I have some copies on external discs.

Alraxite

Right, I see. Just wanted to know what people use.

Cerberus

The best thing to have is one of those services that lets you auto-synchronize, like Dropbox, but let you pick any number of folders from your drives.

I used to use Idrive for that.

It worked well.

What do you use?

Alraxite

For backup?

I haven't set up one for long term use yet.

I do have an external HDD where most of my stuff is.

Cerberus

Why don't you install something like Idrive right now?

Now is as good a time as any.

And you will be glad if your drive should crash tomorrow.

But I'm off to bed.

Bye!

poof

Alraxite

05:50

I know, but I'm not much for online backup given the upload speed I currently have.

Okay, goodbye!

Cerberus

What's your speed?

I have about 1 Mbps up.

Alraxite

I have at most 1 Mbps down.

Cerberus

It takes ages, but it happens automatically on schedule.

That's not much.

Alraxite

And my upload is definitely much less than that

Cerberus

But still, you can have it happen at night. For your most important files?

Oh, well.

Alraxite

05:51

I will use online backup to store my important text files though.

Yes, yes.

Cerberus

Really bye!

Alraxite

See you!

Cerberus

poof

medica

07:03

← 2 messages moved from EL&U 2014 Election

Rajkumar R

08:52

is there any difference between clime and climate?

Matt Эллен

09:32

climate vs clime

most notably: clime is chiefly literary

climate is an everyday word

but the dictionary notes that clime is only synonymous with climate in climate's 1.1 definition.

Johan Larsson

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, 20 hours ago, by Xeo

Why women live longer than men

Matt Эллен

because they don't die sooner, duh

:D

is that a lol that doesn't really mean anything?

@JohanLarsson the one with people taking shade under the digger seems OK. The one stretching extension cords on a swimming pool... that can't end well

Johan Larsson

09:47

do you have exp with T4?

Matt Эллен

I do not

Johan Larsson

ok, I'll rubberduck any way, here goes: I have Point3D & Vector3D, they were classes with a baseclass for shared stuff, Equals, tostring overloads etc. I thinks structs are a nicer fit for them but then there is no inheritance.

Robusto

!!define rubberduck

Jarvis

@Robusto It means I ain't got time to learn your $5 words

Robusto

@JohanLarsson OK, so what does rubberduck mean? Do you mean rubberneck?

Johan Larsson

09:50

Then I can either a) copy paste duplicate the code (ew) b) use T4 and generate partial classes with the shared code (pretty ew for readability)

Robusto

!!define rubberneck

Jarvis

@Robusto rubberneck Someone who engages in rubbernecking, or turning and staring.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto blog.codinghorror.com/rubber-duck-problem-solving

(trying to explain the problem helps solving it)

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Ah, I've experienced that myself, often. But I didn't know that was the word for that process.

Johan Larsson

this is probably the first and last time I teach you a word, gonna enjoy it :)

Robusto

09:58

@JohanLarsson Not if I ever study Swedish.

Johan Larsson

probably not many minutes

I tried to teach Tom English last night, almost ended up in a fight :)

Robusto

Who is Tom English?

Johan Larsson

tchrist

English the language

Robusto

I know. Just yanking your chain.

@JohanLarsson What was the fight about (or would have been about)?

Johan Larsson

12 hours ago, by Johan Larsson

@TheodoreBroda Look at it like this: Football makes sense > the English say football > it makes sense that the English guys know stuff about English.

Starts there^

skullpatrol

10:06

True^

Actually a truism :-)

!!wiki truism

Jarvis

Truism

A truism is a claim that is so obvious or self-evident as to be hardly worth mentioning, except as a reminder or as a rhetorical or literary device and is the opposite of falsism. In philosophy, a sentence which asserts incomplete truth conditions for a proposition may be regarded as a truism. An example of such a sentence would be: "Under appropriate conditions, the sun rises." Without contextual supporta statement of what those appropriate conditions arethe sentence is true but incontestable. A statement which is true by definition ("All cats are mammals.") would also be considered a tr...

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Tom's appeal to numbers is a slippery slope. There are more "native" speakers of English in India than in the U.S., but would you want their dialect to be cited as the "dominant" one? I know I wouldn't.

Johan Larsson

did you get mad/insulted?

Robusto

@JohanLarsson You talking to me?

Johan Larsson

yeah :)

Robusto

10:17

Mad about what?

Johan Larsson

about the ~attack~ on your language

Robusto

@JohanLarsson No, not at all. My language is a big boy and can take care of itself.

Johan Larsson

ok, it feels better now

Robusto

@JohanLarsson What percentage of Swedish people don't speak/understand any English? I suspect it is a small number.

Johan Larsson

I would guess 20%, children under 10 probably don't know that much and people over 70

Depends on how any any is, if it is zero the number if probably lower.

Noah

10:27

Hi

@MattЭллен

how are you

> Need to edit this: A few months ago his backpack got lost. Someone had broken into his car and broken a window.

@Robusto

Robusto

What?

What bearing would TV space operas have on this discussion? Do you suppose that all manufactured usages in speculative fiction should in some way govern English usage? — Robusto 1 min ago

Noah

11:04

@Robusto Do you think the paragraph is okay?

RegDwigнt

11:28

> I'm far from being an English major, but I have a simple question.

How is that a but?

Robusto

@RegDwigнt It is a demonstration of poor English skills. QED

RegDwigнt

Yup.

Robusto

Meanwhile, Rick James . . .

RegDwigнt

Lots of cleaning up on all aisles today.

@Robusto Ease up on Rick. Cocaine's one hell of a drug.

Robusto

I didn't realize you were an apologist for Rick James. Or cocaine, for that matter.

skullpatrol

11:42

@Robusto Did you disable your sound notification?

Johan Larsson

I broke my lib yesterday, fixed it and broke it again today

Robusto

@skullpatrol Obviously not. Why?

Mitch

Do you have another lib you can use?

Like a spare lib?

Johan Larsson

I could revert

skullpatrol

@Robusto just wondering :-)

RegDwigнt

11:43

@Robusto that's not an apology. That's an advertisement. Not liminal enough for you, I guess.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt An apologist doesn't apologize, he defends.

So I called you a warrior. A champion.

RegDwigнt

I can't defend for I have not fended.

Fund? Foughd?

Robusto

But you can detract without having tracted.

You can debase without having based.

RegDwigнt

I just checked and you are right that I can.

With either hand, too.

Robusto

You can debut without having buted.

RegDwigнt

11:47

What about being indebted? Is that like being bted all over again?

Robusto

Now you're catching on.

So who are you pulling for in the WC? Germany? Is Russian involved?

RegDwigнt

Russkies play like shit this time.

Literally the most boring game so far.

A pity. They used to be strong six and four years ago.

skullpatrol

They have Klitschko as their national hero.

Robusto

I cannot imagine the hooplah in Deutschland. It must be all-consuming.

RegDwigнt

And yeah, Germany's pretty much all that's left, what with Spain, England and soon apparently Italy as well getting bored and going home.

Robusto

11:50

Costa Rica put Italia into the shitter. Tough luck, Italia.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto it was hell eight years ago, when the Cup took place here. Four years ago, it was noticeably less. This year, there's nothing. Literally not a single person on the streets with a flag or anything.

@Robusto France vs. Switzerland was even better. The funnest game so far.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt What have you done with Germany?

Is it possible they've . . . grown up? Nah.

skullpatrol

Klitschko is tied with Muhammad Ali for second on the all-time list for most heavyweight title fights with 25, behind only Joe Louis with 27. :-O

RegDwigнt

Probably just too broke to spare a Euro for fan insignia.

@skullpatrol which Klitschko? I am always getting them confused.

skullpatrol

Wladimir Klitschko

}} Wladimir Klitschko ( [Volodymyr Volodymyrovych Klychko]; born 25 March 1976) is a Ukrainian heavyweight professional boxer. Klitschko is the current WBA (Super), IBF, WBO, IBO and 'The Ring' world champion (see List of heavyweight boxing champions.) Klitschko is the longest reigning IBF, WBO & IBO heavyweight champion in history with the most title defenses for those organizations. Overall, he is the second longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time with the second most successful title defenses with 21 (counting his "super" championships). On 13 October 2013, Boxrec rated ...

RegDwigнt

11:52

I actually watched an excellent documentary about them a while ago. The two brothers have nothing at all in common. Five minutes into the movie, I could tell them apart with the same ease they themselves could. But fast forward a year, and I'm right back at square one.

Robusto

All that punching tends to blur the facial features.

RegDwigнt

Nah, that's the kicker. They even look completely different.

skullpatrol

I think he is going to break Joe Louis' record.

RegDwigнt

Different constitution, too.

Robusto

I don't know either one of them.

RegDwigнt

11:54

Well they started their whole carreer in the US.

They were known on your shores for years before they came back to Europe.

Robusto

Not to me.

skullpatrol

They promised their mother never to box against each other.

Robusto

I don't follow boxing. At all.

skullpatrol

Too bad.^

RegDwigнt

I follow it even less.

So boring.

skullpatrol

11:55

:(

its my fav

RegDwigнt

Also, boxing is rigged. I prefer wrestling.

And that's the bottom line cause Stone Cold said so.

skullpatrol

what isn't rigged in pro sport?

RegDwigнt

There are enough sports you can't rig.

That's why I stopped watching cycling and switched to snooker.

skullpatrol

example please

RegDwigнt

Snooker. Bowling. Darts.

skullpatrol

11:59

if the contestants agree to rig it, then it is rigged, by definition

Robusto

I have to agree with skull on this one.

Also, I sent you an email.

I'm out while moving monitors &c. and restarting.

RegDwigнt

That is true, and yet I am still to see a single rigged snooker game.

skullpatrol

later pal

RegDwigнt

While with cycling, you don't need to look further than the very first cyclist you can think of.

skullpatrol

just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it can't happen

like that tree in the forest that no one hears fall...

Johan Larsson

12:02

@RegDwigнt Snooker?

Mitch

@skullpatrol That's crazy talk.

Johan Larsson

John Higgins was ~convicted~ right?

RegDwigнt

@JohanLarsson without rigging a single match, yes.

Good luck with that in track and field, or cycling.

skullpatrol

@Mitch ?

RegDwigнt

@skullpatrol I was not talking about "what could happen" there. I was talking about "is". Present tense.

I am certain that if you give me a million dollars you could even rig this chat.

But so far it's not happened.

If you want to prove your point, just hand over the money.

skullpatrol

12:18

17 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

That is true, and yet I am still to see a single rigged snooker game.

To YOUR knowledge^

Alraxite

@RegDwigнt How do you know that?

RegDwigнt

@skullpatrol yes. Which is precisely what that sentence says.

You did notice the "I" there, right?

I typically do not apply it to other people.

skullpatrol

You can be fooled.

RegDwigнt

Wait, what are we discussing here at all?

It is a simple fact that I've seen so many people get busted in cycling, winter Olympics, football, and even basketball, but not a single one in darts.

I am just stating a datapoint.

And I watch all these things approximately equally often.

I can name any number of sprinters who took illegal substances. I can't name a single bowler.

skullpatrol

yes, you make a good point

RegDwigнt

12:24

And I wasn't even meaning to.

skullpatrol

it depends on your POV

RegDwigнt

All I was after was making the old "boxing is rigged, wrestling isn't" pun.

@skullpatrol everything I say depends on my POV.

skullpatrol

but i like boxing :(

RegDwigнt

See, that's your POV.

I like a good documentary about the Klitchkos once in a blue moon.

skullpatrol

that's why i said you made a good point pal :-)

Wladimir is not as entertaining to watch as Ali was, but if he has tied with him his place in history is set, imo

Russia/Ukraine should be proud

Mitch

12:30

@skullpatrol Hi!

skullpatrol

hi

Mitch

@skullpatrol You said "A is A, by definition" and I said "That's crazy talk" and then you said "?" and then I said, more or less, "You said "A is A by definition" and I said" (I may not be getting this exactly right ""That's crazy talk" and then you said "?" and..." ... and now we're pretty much here. I think you would find it hard to disagree that that is crazy talk.

skullpatrol

everything i say is a lie

Mitch

@RegDwigнt It's not rigged? What's the whole point then?

RegDwigнt

@Mitch that you give me money first. Duh.

Mitch

12:39

@RegDwigнt sighs

RegDwigнt

I even take roubles.

Mitch

writing out check

RegDwigнt

No Czech roubles, please.

Mitch

Czech please!

skullpatrol

and the check better not bounce :D

Mitch

12:40

sighs

pulls out wallet

checks wallet

You can everything in my wallet

skullpatrol

lint?

RegDwigнt

Can I accidentally the whole bottle in your wallet?

Mitch

Sure. You can verb every so often too.

@skullpatrol No thanks, but I'll have some of that cash.

Hey WTF? Why does the chat room description make sense?

At least the first part.

The part that makes sense.

skullpatrol

@Mitch Johnny?

Robusto

I know. Why, oh why does our chat room description have to make sense. And why are we no longer The Incomprehensible Room? Is nothing sacred?

Mitch

12:44

I usually answer to other names, but if you want to call me Johnny, that's fine.

RegDwigнt

OMG uright.

Andrew Leach

@Mitch It was borne out of stuff in the Election chatroom yesterday (last night, my time).

Mitch

@AndrewLeach To be perfectly civil about it all, that's fucking idiotic.

skullpatrol

!!wiki Johnny Cash

Jarvis

Johnny Cash

John R. "Johnny" Cash (February 26, 1932 – September 12, 2003) was a singer-songwriter, actor, and author, Although primarily remembered as a country icon, his genre-spanning songs and sound embraced rock and roll, rockabilly, blues, folk, and gospel. This crossover appeal won Cash the rare honor of multiple induction in the Country Music, Rock and Roll, and Gospel Music Halls of Fame. Cash was known for his deep bass-baritone voice, distinctive sound of his Tennessee Three backing band, a rebelliousness coupled with an increasingly somber and humble demeanor, free prison concerts...

RegDwigнt

12:45

11 hours ago, by hichris123

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: General discussion for English Language and Usage. I am in a party. The wine is depleted. Then some Son of God manufacture even more win. Yay. (no tags)

Andrew Leach

@Mitch I'll leave you to the pleasures of the transcript.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Interlopers comin' in here interfering.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto looks like he got bit by our dog.

Good doggy, good.

Robusto

Yay, @Cerberus. He guards this place, you know.

@RegDwigнt Can you change it back to something more familiar?

RegDwigнt

It's one thing to edit the room topic, but a different thing entirely to promote the discussion to general! It's major at best. Mostly ensign.

skullpatrol

12:47

How about "skullpatrol's dungeon"?

That^ will keep the newbs out :-)

Robusto

@RegDwigнt I suppose it's the polar opposite of private, in both senses.

RegDwigнt

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: The Incomprehensible Groom. With Obnoxious Lout Scoring Advice. (no tags)

Mitch

@AndrewLeach I saw enough. Not very mod like.

(your company excepted)

Robusto

@RegDwigнt I'll settle for that.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto little wonder. Your words.

Feb 17 at 14:04, by Robusto

When you came rolling up in here, did you see a sign saying "Obnoxious Lout Scoring Advice"?

skullpatrol

12:50

Can I change my name to "Lout"?

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I don't understand that. Nice.

@skullpatrol You can change your name to anything.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch nonono. In English, you have to say, "I don't understand that nicely".

Mitch

I'm changing my name to "Your name here"

@RegDwigнt Only mangoes would do that.

skullpatrol

@Mitch You can change your name to anything.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch mangoes, womancomes.

Robusto

12:52

@RegDwigнt But where does the narwhal bacon?

RegDwigнt

Seven pancakes from last time.

Also, the correct question is "when". Luckily, I answered both.

Robusto

It wasn't about luck.

RegDwigнt

I am modest like that.

skullpatrol

How modest of you to say so.

RegDwigнt

Mussorgsky style.

skullpatrol

12:54

!!wiki modest

Jarvis

Modesto, California

| blank_info = , | blank1_name = FIPS code | blank1_info = | website = | footnotes = }} Modesto (Spanish for "modest"), officially the City of Modesto, is the county seat and largest city of Stanislaus County, California, United States. With a population of approximately 201,165 at the 2010 census, Modesto ranks as the 18th largest city in the state of California. The Modesto Census County Division, which includes the cities of Ceres and Riverbank, has a population of 312,842 as of 2010.{{cite web | url = http://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/data/docs/gazetteer/count

RegDwigнt

Yeah. No.

Robusto

Jun 1 at 17:30, by Robusto

@MattЭллен And you have much to be modest about!

Andrew Leach

That's a Churchillism.

Robusto

I know.

I figured we were all literate adults here.

RegDwigнt

12:54

I can't claim I am modest. Just a little bit moder than some.

Robusto

Feb 17 at 14:13, by Robusto

If I'm curt with you it's because time is of the essence.

Call me Curt. Or Kurt. Depending on where you come from.

RegDwigнt

Are you saying we look like dorks?

Robusto

Hey, they're your clothes, motherfucker.

skullpatrol

Captain Kurt?

Robusto

That's Kurtz.

RegDwigнt

12:56

I think we have now successfully chewed up that scene every which way.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt The Mussorgsky discussion was last night.

RegDwigнt

I wasn't there for the occasion, I guess.

Yours and mine Mussorgsky discussion is easily two years back.

May 7 '11 at 20:38, by RegDwight

Modest Modestovich Robustov.

Yeah. Easily.

But I must be off to Edeka.

Lators.

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