The 2nd Monitor

6:00 PM

@BenVlodgi Well... It's technically an RPS, but yes.

@BenVlodgi congratulations for your shiny new badge! BenVlodgi has approved 1 edit suggestions and rejected 0 edit suggestions

BenVlodgi

yayyy me

@skiwi Oic

skiwi

I could turn my code also in RPS101 if I add some classes

Mat's Mug

(starting to wonder whether funny titles that draw attention are actually a good thing)

How is babby formed? — Adam Davis 53 mins ago

(flagged as too chatty)

Jamal

@Mat'sMug That title could be really interesting taken out of context. :-)

Marc-Andre

6:07 PM

Woah my flag was "on-time" on that one. Almost an insta helpful flag :O

Mat's Mug

@Jamal I think it's an awesome title for a CR post!

Jamal

@Marc-Andre Ah, you must've flagged it at just the right time. :-)

Marc-Andre

@Jamal Yep I'm not even sure you had time to read it :P

Simon André Forsberg

@Corbin Yes, unfortunately people still use WMF. I think I'm gonna suggest tomorrow that they should convert them using another program to SVG, because the Java program I'm working on can already deal with SVG.

Corbin

Yeah, I didn't know anyone used anything other than SVG. Crazy.

Jamal

6:10 PM

@Marc-Andre I didn't even have a chance to read it, but that's fine. I could've still waited, as enough flags on a comment will delete it instantly.

Simon André Forsberg

@rolfl my 50 today all comes from yesterday's answers.

BenVlodgi

@Malachi because I know you love nested loops so much

    @Malachi I just wrote this, and figured I might aswell share it

internal static IList<string> BodyToString(IList<IVNode> body)
{
    IList<string> text = new List<string>();
    foreach(var node in body)
        if (node.Type == NodeType.Property)
            text.Add(((VProperty)node).ToVMFString());
        else
            foreach (string s in ((VBlock)node).ToVMFStrings())
                text.Add(s);
    return text;
}

I want tabs to be preserved

Mat's Mug

@BenVlodgi edit that, click "fixed font"

BenVlodgi

@Mat'sMug tnx

Mat's Mug

testing...

@BenVlodgi does this ping you?

BenVlodgi

6:14 PM

I just hear the new message sound

nothing special

Mat's Mug

(ding!) is special ;)

Malachi

@BenVlodgi that's not bad, it only runs the inner loop when it has to, if the node type doesn't match

I gotta jet for a meeting though

BenVlodgi

@Malachi there are only two values for that enum

it is only doubly nested in loops

but I think it looks pretty without those brackets

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi Are you sure you want the Result part in there too?

I think perhaps your general game interface doesn't need the Result thing, that could be specific to just RPSLS.

But it'd be helpful to look at all of the code at the same time. Have you GitHubed it by any chance?

Mat's Mug

@200_success congrats!!

31 mins ago, by Marc-Andre

clap clap clap new 20 k!

200_success

6:24 PM

Thanks. I suspect some manipulation going on, though. Serial upvoting may be reversed later (see my reputation history on Mar 14).

Simon André Forsberg

@200_success By then you will be way over 20k anyway.

Mat's Mug

^^ point

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Q: Optimizing async joins for mongodb (mongoose) using async.js

I'm building a media viewer web app for a kiosk in node that uses data in mongo. To render the viewer, it gathers together all the Asset objects (representing video files), each of which belong to a Category, each of which belong to a Medium. This is my first time using mongo and node together, ...

200_success

I'd just prefer the voting to be clean, not rigged.

Mat's Mug

hey @LokiAstari's here!

@200_success you do deserve all the votes you get ;)

Loki Astari

6:31 PM

Whats up?

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg I'll look into that at a later point, I think I almost got a proper working version

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi I can't wait to review it :)

Marc-Andre

@200_success Nothing is rigged IMHO. For my part I only vote when I find value in a post!

Mat's Mug

@LokiAstari you were mentioned earlier (trying to find it in the transcript...)

Jamal

@LokiAstari Some of us just wanted to see if you wanted to stop by sometime. Feel free to come and go as needed, if you have the time.

Loki Astari

6:33 PM

Too busy at the moment. Will look back tonight.

200_success

@Marc-Andre It raises my suspicions when I see several upvotes within a minute.

Jamal

That's fine. See you later.

Mat's Mug

there:

1 hour ago, by Corbin

I wish Loki would drop in. He's pretty good at correcting people pretty quickly lol.

200_success

@LokiAstari Bye! See you here again sometime.

Jamal

@200_success Unless someone is contributing a majority of their votes to you, I cannot track it myself. If the script does trigger, then that's that. All we can do is to educate users on this.

Marc-Andre

6:37 PM

In my case, I almost always verify the new answers/question of a user I know or feel like "inspecting", so some times many upvote can be awarded, but I've not seen any reversal cause by me at least. I always take good care to not upvote too much in too fast.

konijn

I wonder about that, I've done some serial upvoting from data.stackexchange queries

no rollbacks yet

like upvote all answers that have 9 votes already

Mat's Mug

For my part I have aimed my vote-gun at a specific user more than once, but when I do so I always upvote other valuable competing answers and the question it was posted on as well. So I can aim at a user, but actually shoot at posts.

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Simon André Forsberg

@Mat'sMug Does aiming at a user and actually shooting at posts mean that you miss?

Mat's Mug

@SimonAndréForsberg no, it means the serial-vote-reversal script misses... and that I run out of ammo quite fast ;)

Simon André Forsberg

Yeah, running out of ammo that we know of :)

200_success

6:44 PM

As long as you at least skim through a post before you vote on it, that's fine with me.

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg I still need to do atleast part of the view so that it prints the results, but gotta go afk now

Jamal

Way off-topic:

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Q: Sample Code Wanted for Workshop on Code Reviewing

I want to run a one-hour workshop for some of my colleagues on reviewing code. I'd like to find some code samples that we can critique. We're not going to review our own code (this time), to prevent hurt feelings. Pointers to some Github repos would be very helpful. Preferably some messy code th...

python

Mat's Mug

funny

Welcome to CR! You've found the code reviewer's dream land - feel free to wander about our python questions and review them; we have plenty of other tags as well! Unfortunately, this question is off-topic per our help center though. — Mat's Mug 44 secs ago

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Q: Sample Code Wanted for Workshop on Code Reviewing

I want to run a one-hour workshop for some of my colleagues on reviewing code. I'd like to find some code samples that we can critique. We're not going to review our own code (this time), to prevent hurt feelings. Pointers to some Github repos would be very helpful. Preferably some messy code th...

python

Jamal

Um... too late...

Mat's Mug

6:53 PM

aw, guys we gotta speed up on closing off-topic questions. Does @StackExchange post closed/off-topic questions?

Simon André Forsberg

@Mat'sMug StackExchange posts everything.

BenVlodgi

Just 4 hours ago, my co-worker made the mistake of not enclosing his data while looping over a collection and calling lambda functions with it. in python

200_success

The Sample Code question might be appropriate for Meta?

Mat's Mug

@200_success "I'd like to find some code samples that we can critique. [...] Pointers to some Github repos would be very helpful. Preferably some messy code that has both glaring and subtle flaws." I don't think so. The OP should just browse our questions and answer them, IMHO.

200_success

That's true.

Jamal

6:57 PM

@Mat'sMug Yeah, pretty much. Normally questions about code reviews belong on Programmers, but this isn't one of them.

Mat's Mug

I think OP just skipped the intro and jumped on the 'Ask a question' button without even reading a single existing question..

Simon André Forsberg

@Mat'sMug I think many of our new users do that

Jamal

@Mat'sMug Pretty much what many people do. :-/ It's even worse when they give us something that's not code.

Same with the user who just posted the NAA on the C++ post. Everyone thinks we're a stinkin' forum.

Simon André Forsberg

The first time I'm about to ask a question on a site, I might do a bit too much research. I check questions asked, I check the meta, I'm researching their off-topic close reasons, and more...

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Mat's Mug

@SimonAndréForsberg too bad we can't make a base class out of you and have every new user implement that!

Jamal

7:08 PM

And yet, one of my first questions here was off-topic. :-/ But Winston Ewert was nice enough to point out the mistake, and I improved my post.

Mat's Mug

(that user has been a member for 9 months though)

Jamal

@Mat'sMug Perhaps he just created an account then for whatever reason, had nothing else to contribute, and then decided to post something.

Thanks, Santa!

The NAA user has now posted a question...

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Q: Splitting a long integer into eight 4-bit values

There is this question that is given in a paper and I am having trouble trying to figure how to write this code using #include stdio.h instead of #include iostream that I have been see almost everywhere. How would you approach this program or at least start it.

c++

Marc-Andre

...

Jamal

Well, you know the drill. At least this time we can be a bit less "harsh."

Marc-Andre

Yep trying to come with a good comment !

Stack Exchange

7:22 PM

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Q: Splitting a long integer into eight 4-bit values

There is this question that is given in a paper and I am having trouble trying to figure how to write this code using #include stdio.h instead of #include iostream that I have been see almost everywhere. How would you approach this program or at least start it.

c++

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Q: In 8-puzzle finding nr of steps moving a tile to the right place

In 8-puzzle I want to count the number of moves it would take to move a specific tile to it's goal place. The problem is my method for this is >100 lines long which is obviously way too much. I'll only include part of that method that counts steps to move the piece to the right row if the goal ro...

java matrix

skiwi

re

Still 56 rep on SO to go hmpf, will be hard to max out

Huh I'm gone for 1 minute and suddenly +20 pts

BenVlodgi

I got 30 for doing nothing today

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi I blame @Santa

@BenVlodgi Reminds me about this song:

►

skiwi

Thanks @Santa! Or is it @SimonAndréForsberg?

Now I will work to get my last point

BenVlodgi

7:37 PM

@SimonAndréForsberg I will watch when I'm home

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi Santa! I know nothing about upvoting anything! :)

Anonymous

sup @SimonAndréForsberg?

Simon André Forsberg

Hi @Pato

Mat's Mug

@Marc-Andre gave up? ;)

Jamal

In case someone hasn't seen my latest zombie (1 away from Necromancer):

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A: Reading input from keyboard

With this much code, you definitely should avoid using using namespace std. More info about that can be found here. You have a lot of global variables, and you shouldn't have any. They're generally discouraged as they can be modified anywhere within the program. This can introduce bugs, and i...

skiwi

7:40 PM

Now why does overriding this method not work

Marc-Andre

@Mat'sMug Not really ! Needed some information at work !

Jamal

I see a @Doorknob!

Doorknob

@Mat'sMug As of 3/17 you were beating us in 20ks, tied in 10ks, and we were beating you in closers and editors :-P

Jamal

What? I'm not good enough to beat all of your editors? ;P

Mat's Mug

@Doorknob I know! We'll have our closers and editors much faster than you can get your trusted users then (hopefully!) :)

(we'll have 2 more 20K'ers by next week!)

Doorknob

7:44 PM

@Mat'sMug I would be on my way to 20k if I actually had a computer. Sure, being on vacation should be better, but I can't help worry about my precious site :-P

Mat's Mug

@Doorknob you think the "race" is fostering votes on both sites? (how can we measure that?!)

Marc-Andre

Damn work that stop me from code reviewing and helping the site!

Doorknob

@Mat You sure can see the difference made in a week on ppcg, let me dig up that mission post again...

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg Do you know much about generics?

Doorknob

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Q: Let's go on a mission

We've been in beta for 1129 days. Don't you think it's time we get out? We seem to be in a similar situation as Code Review. We don't have enough users with sufficient reputation to gain privileges like voting to close and delete. Here's some quick analysis I did with the API (the percentages a...

discussion featured reputation beta-status

The difference in the first week is quite significant

We might pass the 1,000,000 rep mark next week!

Mat's Mug

7:48 PM

Yeah.. but we have magic potion! :)

Doorknob

Lol, vacation is also preventing me from running my bot :-(

Maybe there'll be a compromise and we'll graduate simultaneously :-P

Mat's Mug

that'd be nice!

Doorknob

We are in almost an identical situation.

skiwi

Whyyyy is this not working silent rage

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi Speaking of overriding, in case you didn't know about it, there's the concept of covariant return methods. Very useful.

skiwi

7:53 PM

public interface Player<A extends Action, R extends Result> {
    default public void onPostAction(final Player<A, R> target, final A action, final R result) { }
}

public class RPSHumanPlayer extends RPSPlayer {
    @Override
    public void onPostAction(final RPSPlayer target, final RPSGesture gesture, final RPSResult result) {
}

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi I'd say I know quite a lot about generics, using it anywhere and everywhere

Mat's Mug

@Doorknob our numbers differ... are you filtering for recently active users?

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg I know something about it the convariance, but not much

@SimonAndréForsberg The code I just posted isn't working as the @Override cannot apply as it is apereantly a different method signature

Simon André Forsberg

@skiwi What's a RPSPlayer?

skiwi

Oh also:
abstract public class RPSPlayer extends AbstractPlayer<RPSGesture, RPSResult> { }

Doorknob

7:54 PM

@Mat Well, I meant generically, in the sense that our main problem is voting and rep.

skiwi

That last one might be important :p

And then of course this aswell:

abstract public class AbstractPlayer<A extends Action, R extends Result> implements Player<A, R> { }

Simon André Forsberg

Player<A, R> is not the same as a RPSPlayer. There's your problem.

skiwi

I tried the following aswell:
default public <P extends Player<A, R>> void onPostAction(final P target, final A action, final R result) { }

But that doesn't work either...

Simon André Forsberg

This might work: default public <E extends Player<A, R>> void onPostAction(final E target, final A action, final R result) { }

damn, just was I was going to suggest...

@skiwi You have it on git or something so I can download and play around with it?

Mat's Mug

@Doorknob oddly, WebApps graduated with much, much lower figures than ours both...

Doorknob

7:58 PM

@Mat You think we should mention that to the SE team and see what they think? :-P

Maybe our sites could collaborate to both help each other graduate! (And then go back to being mortal enemies afterwards, of course.)

Simon André Forsberg

You might need interface Player<A extends Action, R extends Result, P extends <Player<A, R, P>> or something like that... but when generics gets recursive like that, it often becomes unbearable (if even compilable!) and you should really ask yourself if you really need it like you are currently using it.

Mat's Mug

IDK... I'm sure SE staff is well aware that our respective communities have been simmering for a while, about to enter heavy boil. At one point the pressure will get too high and they won't have a choice but to graduate us :)

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg Don't have it anywhere yet

BenVlodgi

@skiwi why is there an abstract AbstractPlayer and abstract RPSPlayer?

Doorknob

Heh, hopefully that's soon!

Simon André Forsberg

8:00 PM

@skiwi In what way does it help having a Player interface? In what way is a MinesweeperPlayer, UTTTPlayer and a RPSPlayer expected to behave in the same way? Do you really need a general Player interface for all the games?

skiwi

@BenVlodgi Because an AbstractPlayer can still be anything... while an RPSPlayer can only play RPS-like games

BenVlodgi

@skiwi oohh, can players play other games besides RPS?

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg I think it helps, to have atleast some things generalized

@BenVlodgi At some point... in the future

BenVlodgi

noice

like

RPSLSMB

;)

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg But ye I know what you mean by also having A and R in there, but the weird thing is that they are also in the Player interface

Simon André Forsberg

8:02 PM

@skiwi At the moment it looks like the Player interface does more harm than good... (I still haven't seen all your code in context though)

skiwi

@SimonAndréForsberg You'll the context for it to understand I think

Mat's Mug

@Doorknob I'm starting to almost hope to get to beta day #1337 just for the heck of it.

BenVlodgi

@Mat'sMug whys that?

Doorknob

@Mat Lol, that was actually mentioned once on ppcg meta

Mat's Mug

Leet

Leet (or "1337"), also known as eleet or leetspeak, is an alternative alphabet for the English language that is used primarily on the Internet. It uses various combinations of ASCII characters to replace Latinate letters. For example, leet spellings of the word leet include 1337 and l33t; eleet may be spelled 31337 or 3l33t. The term leet is derived from the word elite. The leet alphabet is a specialized form of symbolic writing. Leet may also be considered a substitution cipher, although many dialects or linguistic varieties exist in different online communities. The term leet is also ...

Marc-Andre

8:03 PM

@Mat'sMug Nice one!

BenVlodgi

@Mat'sMug hah

Doorknob

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Q: Let's commit to graduate

It's already been 1,082 days in beta, and I'd like to see our site graduating sometime in the near future. James Khoury proposed aiming for the 1,337th day since beta started, and I like that idea, especially since it's only in 255 days. I'd suggest increasing the voting going around so our us...

discussion

Mat's Mug

really?

skiwi

I think I'll remove AbstractPlayer though, it adds pretty much nothing

Stack Exchange

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Q: Replacement of MySql Query

I wan to replace an old mysql statement with new one. Does anyone know me if the following replacement concept is correct? The statement $people = mysql_query("SELECT`id`,`full_name` FROM prople WHERE id > '0'") or die (mysql_error()); $result = mysql_fetch_row($people); if ( $result > 0 ) { ...

php mysql

Simon André Forsberg

8:05 PM

When would our deadline be?

Doorknob

Yeah, that's the 1337th day (supposedly)

Mat's Mug

@SimonAndréForsberg ASAP!

Doorknob

Our deadline is "any time before CR" :-P

Mat's Mug

dream on!

rolfl

There's the doorknob, use it!

Jamal

8:07 PM

CR helps with good code and Code Golf helps with bad code. Good always prevails, duh!

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BenVlodgi

@skiwi probably a good idea, atleast for now

rolfl

s/Code Gold/Code Lead/

Doorknob

@rolfl locks >:O

Jamal

I keep making that typo. ._.

rolfl

s/type/typo/

Jamal

8:08 PM

Well that's ironic...

Doorknob

Lol

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Mat's Mug

I often type "Core Review" by accident

Doorknob

@Jamal We're golden! (Or so you say.) And you're an apple core (apparently)! Gold is better than fruit!

:-P

rolfl

@Doorknob ... the difference is, that on PCG you have Gold, but the winner is the person with the least..... on CR, we have fruit, but, we aim to get lots, and lots.... and we have 'Golden Delicious'.

skiwi

There's only the SO gods left to help me out:

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Q: Overriding method with generics not working (no method found)

I am trying to @Override a method in a class that might look like having a complex inheritance structure, but it should actually be quite simple, however I cannot get it to work. public interface Action { } public interface Result { } public interface Player<A extends Action, R extends Result>...

java inheritance override

Jamal

8:12 PM

@Doorknob Yeah, but... you cannot eat gold!

Mat's Mug

@Jamal they'll eat our dust, though :)

Doorknob

@Jamal I highly doubt an edible site will make it very far

rolfl

You know, I think we should have a block party.... and both graduate together ;-)

BenVlodgi

;)

Doorknob

@rolfl Yeah, I said that a few minutes ago too :-P

Jamal

8:14 PM

@Doorknob Yeah, tell that to Beer SE, our (drinkable) site.

BenVlodgi

its funny, on Area51, the reasons where each group is lacking is totally expected for the types of sites they are

PCG doesn't have a lot of questions, but a lot of answers
CR is the opposite in those regards

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Q: Using an AsyncTask to populate a ListView in a Fragment From a SQLite table

This is the first time that I have played around with AsyncTask in Android and I wanted to make sure I'm using it correctly. The idea is I'm grabbing all the rows from a table in the database using dao and putting them into an Arraylist based off my Item class. Once finished, I added it to a cust...

java multithreading android sqlite

Mat's Mug

@BenVlodgi the Area51 stats are only somewhat important for graduation - besides having a stat at "ok" should be... ok. ;)

BenVlodgi

@Mat'sMug... right its the userbase and distribution of rep

Mat's Mug

regardless of the stats, all we need to care about at this point, is whether we can survive a moderator election and upscaled privilege thresholds

BenVlodgi

8:19 PM

=\

scary

Jamal

We also need enough avid users who could make good moderators.

Mat's Mug

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A: What are the advantages of graduation?

Disadvantage: Existing users are probably going to experience a demotion in privilege levels, since graduated sites have higher standard thresholds: 20000: Trusted user 15000: Protect questions 10000: Access to moderator tools 5000: Approve tag wiki edits 3000: Cast close and reopen votes … I...

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