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2:00 PM
nux, United States
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Need I say more? Just look at the pic!
Kinda presumptuous huh?
 
in UL is not activated
 
yep
@terdon read its signature also
 
@Braiam huh?
 
2:04 PM
@terdon the post quality bans are not activated in UL
 
Really? How do you know?
 
@terdon no post on UL meta
 
SU, SO, Math and AU are the only ones (I think) has the thingy
 
Huh, OK, I thought these were a network-wide feature
 
2:06 PM
Ah, that'd explain how we're still accepting questions from that user we were talking about earlier...
 
which one ?
Nux ?
 
Ugh, we've already covered I'm too lazy to check the scrollback...
@Kiwy ... that one
 
see the two last stared chat message :D
@derobert can't we send a message to moderator ?
 
Mar 3 at 20:49, by derobert
You expect me to read the chat log‽ I'm lazy!
@Kiwy you can flag a post for moderator attention. Or try pinging MichaelMrozek
Hah, we'll have to see how long a chain of pointers we can get in the starred comments list....
 
yes definitly !
 
2:12 PM
being that consistently downvoted is an accomplishment
 
how can you get 11question 23 answer and only one rep points on AU ?
O_o
 
@casey Indeed. And yet that account has rep... The wonders of upvotes counting for so much more than downvotes.
 
@Kiwy suspended
 
@Kiwy it looks like he got all his rep taken away for serial upvoting reversals, or most of it anyway
 
2:15 PM
Suspended users have 1rep for the duration of their suspension
 
Yep. Suspended for voting irregularities.
I guess that explains why he came here...
 
that's the inherent violence of the system... you have to deal with the crappy users nobody wants to D:
 
@derobert that sounds very probable....
 
yep, suspended, his rep would be 92 if not
 
if you see a crappy post, be my guess and downvote it
 
2:18 PM
mind you that the 92 rep includes the 100 association bonus
 
@casey Odd he has an association bonus on SuperUser, then. I thought you only got that with rep >= 200 somewhere.
 
@derobert it looks like he hit 200 on AU before the serial reversal
he has 2 days with more then -100 in reversals
 
that's very unexpected
 
he has the association bonus here too
 
@casey Ah, that makes sense...
 
2:19 PM
and only 72 rep
 
@casey Impressive!
 
@derobert very
 
Has an association bonus on AskUbuntu as well.
 
yep, and he'd be at 92 if not for the suspension
yes I added up his daily rep totals...
 
Sounds like he can protect his 101 Super User rep by never visiting the site again.
It's unfortunate. It appears he actually has some real questions, but hasn't figured out how to ask them in a format that works on SE.
Others make me wish he'd actually ask whatever it is he's trying to do...
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Q: How to get Process ID and using Process id get Netstat details in Shell Script

rajcoumarIn commandline we can do like this ps -ef | grep keystone We get process id for the keystone Using the process id we can do this. netstat -tulpn | grep pid I want to write the shell script. How to write ?

Errrm, lsof anyone?
 
2:30 PM
arrg!!! when will be the time that in my country they will stop with the handwritten assignments!
just... who stared that?
 
slm
@Braiam Can we just get him banned here too? Seems stupid to allow him to participate in any SE when you get banned for something like this.
 
2:46 PM
@slm any idea if this is possible?
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Q: How can I share an optical drive in a way that fools the client into thinking it's a local drive?

OliI'm in the frankly ludicrous situation where my desktop has two optical drives and my media centre has none (nor space for one). Before I consider something as extreme as buying an external optical drive, I would like to see if there's a way of tethering my drives across the network. Both machin...

 
slm
@Braiam I went through eveything he had here and DV'd
 
@slm unless he has done something bad here, mods wont
 
@slm seems to have worked, he's banned. When did that happen?
 
Just recently. Wasn't there when I looked before.
maybe @MichaelMrozek looked?
Automatic question/answer bans—if we even have them here—do not show as suspensions, AFAIK.
 
I think there are also some automatic suspensions but I'm not sure
 
slm
2:52 PM
@terdon Good seems foolish to allow a person that's banned for that particular activity to continue on any SE site
it's like letting a guy move from town to town kiting checks
@derobert The mods were aware of him, 2 of the Q's he posted were immediately closed by them
 
@slm It might just be a holdover from how separate different SE sites are. Remember that you still have to create yet another account for each new site, for example...
 
slm
yes makes sense
 
just wow... 80% of his Q's are closed and only 1 doesn't have a net -
 
slm
good, bury this garbage
I got the feeling he was just pumping the site w/ Q's to get rep for some other nefarious purpose
been here 18 days and had 11 Q's, that's an awfully high ratio to me
The Q's were all over the place too
 
@slm Well, that's not likely, as its been a net negative rep...
 
slm
2:57 PM
It wasn't until earlier today, it was up to 118 I believe
 
100 of it being the association bonus.
 
slm
right
but it was starting to gain traction is my point
good to route it out now
 
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, and just assume not understanding the SE model and/or incompetence.
Well, I guess if rep trolling, that'd be incompetence too, as surely you ought to be able to do better than 2 rep/question.
 
slm
@derobert - you're more tolerant to this garbage than I, I'll readily help anyone that genuinely needs it but there are certain tells that my gut notices, this guy is causing several of them to twitch.
@terdon Should be possible, I'm looking, search for DVD over lan linux there are several ways to do this
 
Thanks
Sheesh!
For what the Hell do you need the source code of this screen? — konqui 27 mins ago
 
3:11 PM
Flag it...
 
did
I mean, we're a *nix site, of course people are interested in seeing source!
5
 
@terdon boom
 
3:25 PM
damn, he came here now
 
Did my best to answer the d-i question :-)
 
slm
3:40 PM
So what did all the jerks get out of school early today...I hate days like this
 
@derobert d-i?
 
debian-installer
the one that got the ridiculous 'why would you want source?!' comment
 
@derobertyour answer is nice
 
Wow, the only command that is half-right gets 0 votes.
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Q: How to know last time apt-get was executed?

cavilaI known that the command to update the repository lists is apt-get update. How to check if it has been executed today or in the last 24 hours? I do not known if should check some file timestamp. Or issue another apt command. Or use dpkg utility. Could not find something useful at man pages.

Ok, I take that back. For some reason the poster wants to know when apt-get update was last executed. afaik there is no sensible way of doing this.
Also, I've no idea why anyone would care about this. Weird.
well, no sensible way of doing this other than checking with the server perhaps, but what a waste of time.
Does anyone happen to know what /var/lib/apt/periodic is for?
 
4:00 PM
@FaheemMitha Well, you could check the ages of files in /var/lib/apt I guess.
 
@derobert Against what?
 
@FaheemMitha Those files get modified when you run apt-get update ... so checking how old they are tells you when it was last run
 
Anyway, the suggestion to look at /var/log/apt is the only halfway sensible suggestion there, even though it technically wrong
 
@FaheemMitha I'd guess for the desktop "you have updates!" notifier...
 
@derobert Do they get updated even if there is no change serverside?
 
4:02 PM
some of the files do, yes. Can't tell there are no changes without downloading a few of them.
 
@derobert hmm
yes, that's my point, you have to query the server. so why not just update?
 
and I believe it rebuilds the package cache each time, so /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin probably works too
 
/var/log/apt?
 
@FaheemMitha I monitor "are there updates to be applied?" on my systems. I have then set up to automatically do apt-get update (not upgrade!) from cron. I could see it'd be a good idea to monitor that the update has actually happened...
Otherwise, you may have updates, but not know it.
 
yes pkgcache.bin, srcpkgcache.bin look like they are updated on a run.
that would be a reasonable answer. want to post it? if you go slumming in AU, that is.
@derobert ^^
 
4:07 PM
Looks like that $ ls -l /var/lib/apt/periodic/update-success-stamp is basically the same idea... it also appears to be updated each apt-get update
 
@derobert Dunno. update perioidically, run upgrade, you'll get your upgrades. why would you want to check when update last happened? all that monitor does is tell you some packages can be upgraded.
 
Well, except of course I'd never try to parse the output of ls. I know about stat.
 
@derobert This does not exist on my system
the file, that is
@derobert if you don't want to post it, i can. let me know
at least then there would be one correct answer
 
I added it as a comment
A better backup location would be /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin. Also, please don't parse the output of ls; use stat instead. Keep in mind that ls output depends on locale, depends on age of file, etc. — derobert 15 secs ago
@FaheemMitha it appears you only get those files if you have update-notifier-common installed.
 
see you time to go back home :-)
 
4:13 PM
anthony@Zia:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d$ cat 15update-stamp
APT::Update::Post-Invoke {"touch /var/lib/apt/periodic/update-success-stamp 2>/dev/null || true";};
... and that file comes from update-notifier-common
 
Is .bash_profile read on graphical login? I don't think so.
 
slm
@terdon - here's how you mount a DVD over the LAN
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A: How can I share an optical drive in a way that fools the client into thinking it's a local drive?

slmI think you might be able to accomplish what you want using network block devices (NBD). Looking at the wikipedia page on the subject there is mention of a tool called nbd. It's comprised of a client and server component. Example In this scenario I'm setting up a CDROM on my Fedora 19 laptop (s...

I hate you for making me answer a AU Q 8-)
 
4:29 PM
@slm wow
 
@slm cool! Thanks :)
@slm and hey, improving the quality of AU is always a good idea!
 
slm
That should earn us some additional respect w/ AU mod, right?
I'm gonna cross post it here
writing it up now
 
@terdon nope, .profile
 
@Braiam yeah, and not even that is 100% sure. Depends on implementation
 
slm
Now we have this here too
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Q: How can I mount a block device from one computer to another via the network as a block device?

slmIs it possible to export a block device such as a DVD or CDROM and make it so that it's mountable on another computer as a block device? NOTE: I'm not interested in doing this using NFS or Samba, I actually want the optical drive to show up as a optical drive on a remote computer.

 
4:41 PM
@slm I wonder if that'll work. No idea what is required to fool XBMC, but e.g., I doubt nbd will pass ioctls like eject...
Or media change notification, etc.
 
@derobert Oh, I see.
 
@slm I fear the answer might actually be iSCSI or AoE.
 
@Braiam did you see his meta post? LOL!
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Q: I Dont have reputation to ask at meta but my account has been hacked

user257546please i need to talk to a moderator , when i login with my stack account it says confirm for new account , my outlook was hacked , i reset my password by mobile , now how can i access my account . Any help ?

 
@terdon I edited it :/
 
slm
4:48 PM
@derobert In my testing I was able to mount DVD's on Ubuntu that were inserted into the DVD drive on my Fedora laptop.
 
@Braiam I know, but I wasn't sure if you'd seen his comment explaining who he is. Hehe, he must have annoyed somebody else :)
@slm yeah, could you play a dvd for example? Or have it autoplay?
 
@slm Sure. That'll work. The question is if xbmc will see a disc inserted, automount it, and play the video.
 
slm
poor nux...there is justice in the world
I could play a DVD
I did not test the autoplay
My kids are using the Ubuntu system and were watching a video
 
Sure. But you can also play a DVD over NFS...
Which didn't work for OP.
But if it works, that's great. I don't want to set up iSCSI!
 
slm
I'll try the autoplay in a bit when they're done watching harry potter
So the autoplay doesn't work but the nbd-client and nbd-server stayed up when I ejected the disk and when I put it back in I was able to run the mount command on Ubuntu. So I would assume you could stick a UDEV rule in on Ubuntu to detect this change and do the automount/autoplay
I'm not gonna try it all out but I don't see anything that would lead me to think that it won't
 
slm
5:06 PM
I use GNOME 3 and this still makes me laugh
 
just me or votes/alerts are not real time anymore?
 
slm
I've noticed a delay as well the last day or so, at least I think I have
the toolbar ones, right?
 
both votes and the global inbox doesn't update for me...
 
5:37 PM
@derobert Personally I would have added it as an answer. Who knows if the guy will update his answer.
@slm That's a picture of who? Willy Wonka? Dr. Who? Someone else?
 
@FaheemMitha He replied in a comment that he would.
 
slm
willy wonka
 
Given, hasn't happened yet.
 
@derobert He did. doesn't mean he will
@slm ok, thanks
 
Well, if he doesn't, I can always write up an answer.
 
5:39 PM
@derobert You could, if you remember.
 
I left the tab open for a reason! Surely that'll have me remember, right?
 
@derobert oh, you leave tabs open too? doesn't that get out of control? I have that problem here
i hear there are these things called bookmarks, but i never did get the hang of them
 
Bookmarks are where you put something if you want to "remember" to do it "someday". They're after putting it on your read-it-later list. Tabs are for something you want to remember to do in the next week or so.
And yes, tabs grow without any observable bound.
 
@derobert I wish there was some way of putting them in a heirarchy or something. maybe that will be the next browser innovation
 
@slm Thanks, do you use either or both of these?
 
slm
both
 
@slm so i can install them both and they won't tread on each other? and they work well for you?
 
slm
Yes I use them for different things
I like the Outliner for organizing sets of tags in a tree you can unload the tab but still keep it in that list
so it frees up the resources it was consuming but it's collected in a group that you can label
 
6:14 PM
@slm that does sound handy. i'll try them. thanks.
I want a video tutorial for these. :-)
 
@slm thanks for those links, those are going to useful!
 
The outliner one really looks useful. playing with it now.
I was teasing @terdon and others with the video tutorial, but there are a couple on youtube
the outliner is for organizing groups of tabs. what is the too many tabs one good for?
 
slm
6:59 PM
In a groove today 8-)
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A: How can I force a script to use more resources?

slmImprovement #1 - Loops Your looping structure seems completely unnecessary if you use brace expansions instead, it can be condensed like so: $ more pass.bash #!/bin/bash echo {a..z}{a..z}{a..z}{a..z} | while IFS= read -d ' ' str;do pass=$(openssl passwd -salt $1 $str) if [[ "$pass" == "$2...

 
@slm You're an animal. Take a moment to tell me how to open a new top level window in outliner?
 
slm
The outliner one is nice b/c you can save your tabs in there and then bring them back later b/w runs of chrome
You mean groups?
 
@slm i guess. the top level says "Window"
i have three. no idea how they were created
 
slm
you have 3 windows of chrome open?
there's one of those per window
literally
 
@slm ah, yes. that does seem to be the case.
so, i should be organizing everything into subfolders in one window then?
i guess my question then becomes; how do i create new subfolders?
 
slm
7:25 PM
Down in the bottom of the outliner window
 
@slm yes, saw it now. i've been putting my tex.sx in one of those group things, but it seems to have created a separate physical window for that. is that correct, or user error?
 
slm
Collapse the group using the + sign and then move it to whatever window you want by dragging.
 
i was expecting a virtual organizing scheme. i don't really want a bunch of actual windows
 
7:52 PM
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A: How can I force a script to use more resources?

derobertIn addition to the various implementation optimizations in @slm's answer, there is a huge algorithmic optimization to make. (There may also be some cryptanalytic attacks, I'm not sure how strong the UNIX crypt algorithm is, but that is probably beyond the scope of a shell script) The problem you...

 
@derobert do you use these fancy chrome tab management extns?
 
@FaheemMitha no, I only use Chrome for web music services, and a few chat.SE rooms
 
@derobert ok
 
Every time I try to use it as a general purpose web browser, Chrome sees it fit to remind me of some feature its missing vs. Firefox
 
@derobert like?
 
7:55 PM
Middle-click go to URL from primary selection
Middle-click link always opens in new tab
@slm cryptanalytic is a word... not an attempted pun on crypt(3)
 
slm
whoops, sorry I didn't find it when I looked
 
@derobert does firefox have similar extensions?
 
@slm you got me on its vs. it's, though.
 
slm
That one usually get's me, I think Gilles has fixed literally dozens of those for me
 
@FaheemMitha Firefox has tab groups built-in
At least, I think it does. If not, there are about a billion Firefox tab extensions...
 
slm
8:00 PM
I always goof then vs. than and for some reason I love the word afterwords even though it's afterwards
 
I have to look up effect v. affect each time :-(
 
slm
me too
there is a nice SE page on it
grammar
 
but I can keep insure vs. ensure straight, for some reason.
 
slm
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Q: "Effect" vs. "Affect"

HamidI've noticed that some people use effect and affect interchangeably. What are the differences between these two and when are the proper situations to use each of them?

 
Need to come up with a sentence using both noun and verb forms of both effect and affect—all correctly, of course.
 
slm
8:05 PM
that site is the one I use for it too
@derobert - have you tried using the chapcrack tool at all?
 
@slm so, do these groups create separate "physical" windows?
 
slm
no
 
@slm Nope.
@FaheemMitha yeah, Firefox has built-in tab groups. support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-organize-tabs
 
@slm strange, wonder why i'm seeing them then
@derobert that's good. you don't use them, though?
 
@FaheemMitha not really. I use multiple windows instead.
 
8:16 PM
@derobert Ok. but if you have dozens of tabs, that doesn't scale
 
Well, then you just need a bunch of windows...
I've never been bad enough that the number of windows became a problem.
 
@slm Did I overlook anything or was there no step by step guide to get to the bash prompt as root?
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A: I can not log into Ubuntu 12.04

AnthonYou should get to single user mode: Reboot the computer and hold Shift, so that the grub menu appears: Highlight the second entry and press e Use ↓ to go to the line stating with linux, then use → to go to ro and change it in rw, remove everything after that with init=/bin/bash Following ...

 
slm
@Anthon - looks good
 
slm
8:44 PM
@derobert - I mentioned chapcrack but meant this one: hashcat hashcat.net/oclhashcat
 
And when i press enter. What Should i do ? — Melkhiah66 52 mins ago
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@slm did you got your Q in SR answered?
 
slm
9:07 PM
@Braiam - which one?
drawing a blank on SR
 
@slm the only one...
well 1.0000001 answers
 
slm
I didn't remember SR
there are 2 A's I haven't had a chance to try the s/w out myself yet
 
Most of my answers on SR are either about Emacs or Autohotkey
 
slm
9:23 PM
@Gilles - for shame autohotkey?
 
@slm one of the absolutely necessary Windows tools, together with Cygwin and Unlocker
it's a pity about AHK's crazy language, Cygwin's slowness and Unlocker's malware-ridden installer, but I don't know better tools
 
slm
I know but the thought of you answering junk about Windows.....
 
Unfortunately, I spent a few years at work where I didn't have any option
 
slm
I've been training someone at work on how to do things from the command line and they have windows using putty which works but it's painfully awkward to do things
me too
 
oh boy yes
 
slm
9:26 PM
copy pasting is just awful
 
I spent a couple of years editing my code in Emacs over Samba, with Puttycyg + ssh to access the command line (on a Linux PC under my desk), because the HW had to be under Windows
 
slm
also I've been trying to hammer the notion of using the tab key vs. typing when navigating the disk
 
Ok, I could probably have gotten away with installing Linux, but that PC had too little RAM for a VM and I needed Windows for some dev tools, for Office, and for IE <antique> for corporate apps
 
slm
So then did you glue things together w/ AHK or used it for other things?
 
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Q: Open source program to copy the contents of a Windows text file to the clipboard

Mike PenningtonBackground I build a lot of text files in my $DAYJOB, which are then submitted to a review board in a very complicated Excel document. The contents of each text file must be pasted into a TextBox on individual Excel tabs (named appropriately). Any given Excel sheet could have between 30 and 22...

^^^^ for this kind of ad hoc stuff
or for desktop automation of this kind
 
9:33 PM
I see SR as an opportunity for devs that has an itch to write something but no the slight idea of what
we've seen 6 apps born from questions
 
by the way @slm or anyone else who may be stuck with Windows:
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A: How do you configure a Windows machine for a Linux user?

GillesIn a VM, of course. Yes, I know painfully well that's not always possible. So I'll answer based on my personal experience (long-time unix user, uses the command line a lot, recently forced to use Windows XP by company policy). In particular, I needed a truckload of third-party add-ons to be prod...

 
@Gilles I feel for you.
@Gilles oh, i see I read and even commented on that post. do you still have to use Win XP?
 
@FaheemMitha no, about a year ago I changed teams and switched to Windows 7, then to Linux with a Windows 7 VM (Yay!)
 
slm
@Gilles already starred, UV'd and bookmarked 8-)
I point co-workers to it that have been getting into Linux + Windows
 
@Gilles Good for you.
Which distribution?
 
9:50 PM
@Gilles you may want to change foxit reader to sumatrapdf ;)
 
@Braiam IIRC I tried both and prefered Foxit
now that Windows is running in a VM I don't read PDFs there anymore, so I've forgotten
 
the malaware and the standalone feature was a dealbreaker for me
 
@Braiam what's a standalone feature?
If I refused to install software that tries to bundle malware, I wouldn't be able to run Java on Windows. Or Windows itself, for that matter. Or Android. Or Ubuntu.
I updated this answer to mention WinCompose instead of AllChars. Because WinCompose is exactly what it says on the tin.
and by the way I also mentioned Sumatra PDF
 
10:16 PM
@Gilles it can be run without installing it
 
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