That one is what renders differently depending on whether amsfonts is loaded... :-(
And I know that nath is evil. But I am Darth Vader :-)
The thing is, I can assume, that nath makes a lot of rendering based on specific sizes like 2.7\mex, where \mex is dimen which is context dependent, but initially set to 1ex.
@egreg Hello! I'm again here with the same problem :-) Have you any expertise in that matters?
@Johannes_B Can you confirm different renderings?
@egreg BTW, yesterday you've said that delimiter sizing has nothing to do with WYSIWYG. What software do you use and what is your workflow in ruling the sizes?
@Speravir I've heard that there are ways of turning a Perl script into an .exe so I'd always assumed that's what MikTeX does. I don't know if TL also creates makeglossaries.exe or if it's just particular to MikTeX. This question seems to come up every so often but there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer that I can find. (Not just for makeglossaries but for all the other helper applications, such as latexmk, that use Perl.)
@NicolaTalbot There is. :) For TL, the secret is runscript.exe (I can't remember the name since I don't have Windows anymore). It's a wrapper for running scripts, so if you get runscript.exe, copy it and rename it to makeglossaries.exe, it will look, via kpsewhich, for a script with the same name of the file and run it. That's how arara is deployed in TL in Windows. :)
Now, I suspect MiKTeX uses "real" binaries, probably with an embedded interpreter.
@PauloCereda Ah, so that's why it makeglossaries.exe still needs Perl to be installed. But what's the advantage of using makeglossaries.exe over using makeglossaries.bat?
@PauloCereda Oh, this is confusing. I'm sticking with Linux ;-)
@Johannes_B Yes, as far as I can tell. The "real" makeglossaries is a Perl script makeglossaries.bat just runs Perl on the makeglossaries script. I'm trying to work out what makeglossaries.exe does, as that's created by the distros not by me.
@PauloCereda I thought that was just for the TL installer, but I could just be getting confused.
I managed to upload a new version of datatool yesterday with a date-stamp sometimes next week.
@JosephWright "This document is only a brief introduction to the new facilities and is intended for package writers who are familiar with TEX fonts and LATEX packages." Anything for TeX fonts?
@Nicola: your future self already discovered, visited your past self to warn her future self which is your present self about the other future self which is actually the future self. :)
@Canageek now that it's morning here and I've had a couple of cups of coffee I thought about it again and took a quick look at my code: it should be quite easy to add this :)
@AndrewZabavnikov I'm not really sure what you are after. LaTeX makes loading TeX-style fonts relatively easy using the 'NFSS'. What is important is that once you change fonts you change sizes. Note also, as commented on your question, that there are different 'encodings' and this can have an impact (not everything works nicely with the 'OT1' encoding, which is what you get as-standard when you load LaTeX)
@AndrewZabavnikov just don't use nath and use amsmath pmatrix environment and the problem goes away. It is hard to believe the time you will save by not having to choose the occasional delimiter size by hand will ever equal the time you loose by worrying how to fix the problems caused by the automatic sizing of nath not being what you want.
If you don't want longtable to add headers and footers to the table at the same time that multicol is balancing where to make the break (which would require that frank and I cooperate:-) then multicol will balance the output from longtable if you first trick longtable into thinking that it isn't ...
@JosephWright this is why I don't really have a bad conscience about it: the basic command works just the same. My backwards compatibility so far would be to simply load the former sty file
@JosephWright I noticed. Quite interesting. Although only part of mhchem is written in expl3. The sty file is a mix of expl3 and 2e right now
@PauloCereda interesting idea :)
@JosephWright If you think it's not worth it: it's easy to change. That's exactly the kind of feedback I'm interested in
Can someone please provide me the features available in LaTeX3. The reason for me to post this question is that I have not started to learn about KOMA SCRIPT.I am aware of how powerful it is.But Now should I go for KOMA SCRIPTS or LaTeX3?
@Johannes_B well, it's short but it basically says what's true. IMHO not one to get flagged. But likely someone makes a longer one that will outscore it ...
@AndrewZabavnikov TeX fonts have only 256 slots. Cyrillic fonts cover the ASCII characters, but if you want to use Latin Modern for them, you have to change fonts. Latin Modern is available in T1 encoding, Cyrillic in T2A encoding.
Not only out of curiosity, but also to know the extent to which one should delegate the document arrangement to LaTeX! And how much is too much for "manual work"
@AndrewZabavnikov Yes, of course. But you need to tell LaTeX to.
@AndrewZabavnikov If your text is Russian with small inserts in English, just avoid lmodern, load only the T2A encoding and no English with babel. Type your text without any specific markup.
@JosephWright I didn't look at it a detail but first steps into expl3 necessarily leads to such errors I guess. (I always fear looking at my first attempts...)
@AndrewZabavnikov So you can't use lmodern that's all. Sorry, I'm not interested in nath.
But why does lmodern seem to solve the issue? Because it uses a fixed math extension font, just like standard LaTeX, so overriding the variable size math extension font defined with amssymb. Of course, using a fixed size math extension font is wrong. Standard LaTeX had to. Latin Modern is at failure in that point.
@AndrewZabavnikov This is exactly what I was talking about: with amsfonts the math extension font uses different sizes, while nath does under the assumption that it is available only at one size.
@AndrewZabavnikov it says that if latex is using a font encoded as OMX family cmex medium weight normal shape, then the external tfms to use at various font sizes are as specified in the last bit
@tohecz cmex has been available at different sizes for more than 20 years; why did the developer of Latin Modern decide to design lmex only at 10pt is beyond my understanding.
@tohecz so if you want lmodern to use cmex you can change the \DeclareFontShape as above and just switch tfm at the last minute or you can tell latex to use the cm family at a higher level \SetSymbolFont{largesymbols}{normal}{OMX}{cmex}{m}{n} comes to the same thing in the end
@tohecz Declare defines the name largesymbols and sets the default for all vesrons, then once it is set you can set fonts for specific versions (normal, bold, ...) using \Set, so since largesymbols is declared already you could just use \Set unless you want to overwrite the default for any mathversion eg if someone uses \mathversion{heavy} for super-bold (as mathtime has)
@NicolaTalbot biber does this, and I do not like this approach: It extracts its contents (all needed Perl modules) into a temporary subdirectory; this extraction lasts a while, where the computer seemingly does nothing, and on every update, but also for obscure reasons you get errrors, where the only cure consists in deleting this directory in temp-folder. MiKTEX must follow another way, but I do not know which one this is. (cont.)
@NicolaTalbot Yes, in MiKTeX very probably the real problem is the treatment of Perl scripts or perhaps the exe wrappers themselves are the problem . Somewhere on TeX.sx also @MartinScharrer wrote about a problem with his texdef script. And you’re right, also in TL a makeglossaries.exe is contained. The sources must be somewhere on w32tex.org.
@egreg Reading gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/latin-modern, I get the feeling they got part-way through doing 'traditional' TeX math fonts for LM then decided to switch the 'Unicode plan'.
@ComFreek Yeah you can always use pre existing figures, which will be fine if you find the exact one, and don't need any customization. If you are doing a serious document or need to do many of these, it'll be helpful to learn one of the drawing packages. It'll probably e frustrating at the start but you'll be happy in the long run with the results...
@PeterGrill You are right of course, but I do not have enough time at the moment. I really miss Strg+C on the image and Strg+V in the document :( Sometimes, LaTeX is kind of frustrating :D
@Speravir Forgive me if I ask stupid questions. This type of thing is a lot easier on Linux. What are the benefits of using makeglossaries.exe over makeglossaries.bat? Is the .exe faster? Does the .exe pick up the location of perl.exe from the system path or from the registry? Why do the distros bother to create an .exe when there's already a .bat? (Perhaps they just automatically create a .exe for every Perl script they detect.)
I'm just wondering if I should drop the .bat from my CTAN uploads.
@NicolaTalbot I don't know the exact context, but a *.bat is generally human readable whereas an *.exe file is already compiled. Distributing a *.bat file is most of the time considered "safer" (this assumption probably also holds in the LaTeX world).
@NicolaTalbot I really don’t know. I’m not a programmer. But you maybe right, that, if it’s working, the .exe is faster. But once again: The definitive answers could only give the developers of MiKTeX and TL for Windows.
@NicolaTalbot Yes I think, you can remove it. It’s very, very probably not called at all. TL has the runscript.exe copy. MiKTeX this obscure makeglossaries.exe, what not works without Perl, but with Perl I can directly start makeglossaries … Aah, perhaps add the extension .pl or write a small wrapper makeglossaries.pl that starts makeglossaries.
@Speravir I was just wondering about the makeglossaries question where perl --version runs okay from the command prompt (and so is therefore on the path) but makeglossaries.exe is complaining the Perl interpreter can't be found. So I was wondering if makeglossaries.bat would work for the OP.
Or the OP could edit the .bat file to insert the full path name for perl.exe.
(Only that would get overridden with the next update.)
@NicolaTalbot Let me test this, but it lasts a bit … I would not be astonished, if the OP had forgotten to restart Windows … another mystery.
@NicolaTalbot Actually I recently have removed Perl from my virtual drive (I do not want to build a new on again and again) just for finding out, what I wrote you yesterday.
@Speravir That would be really useful as there are so many Perl scripts that come with the TeX distributions. It would be great to have a definitive answer.
@tohecz It looks like a compound word from “Mist” (dung, crap, rubbish, …) and a short form of “Käse/Kaese” (cheese), this short form is usually used in southern parts of German speaking regions. So, it sounds like “cheese from dung” or “cheese in the dung” or “cheese that is crap”.
@NicolaTalbot Addition: In MiKTeX the makeglossaries.bat is definitely not started. Otherwise it would have been added into the config file scripts.ini. Or in other words: MiKTeX does not start script files not included into this file – batch fiels, but also lua and perl scripts and, oh, one python script, I would need a code example to test, whether this works without an external Python interpreter. This config file is signed, so external changes will not work.
@NicolaTalbot Installed again ActivePerl in virtual drive and glossaries worked instantly without restarting. So the OP of this one question must have an additional localized problem.
@DavidCarlisle Hi. It is not in a float. It doesn't visibly overflow into the first page. I don't know if the picture is bigger than textheight. How can I find out? tikzpicture is called as follows:
\begin{tikzpicture}[node distance=8pt and 33pt]
I'm certainly pushing the limits of the page size. I'm debating if I can scale it down.
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@Thomas: hi Thomas! Don't get upset, your reasons are valid, and I think the question is interesting! :) Maybe if you rewrite your question a little, it can become more adherent to the model (maybe thesis was a little too specific) and more attractive. About the website rules: the community actually sets the tone, no strict rules whatsoever. :) No decision is final, and pretty much everything is salvageable. :) By the way, is that an alpaca? :P — Paulo Cereda25 secs ago
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(tikz question). If I have a node foo, and i want to reference the point foo.east, but moved up say 0.1cm, what syntax can I use? Anyone? This seems like too trivial a question to post to the site.
@FaheemMitha well, in Gnome 2 I basically use: panels*, notification area*, sensor applets*, multiple desktops* and keyboard shortcuts. The ones marked with * are missing in G3
Can someone please provide me the features available in LaTeX3. The reason for me to post this question is that I have not started to learn about KOMA SCRIPT.I am aware of how powerful it is.But Now should I go for KOMA SCRIPTS or LaTeX3?
Not only out of curiosity, but also to know the extent to which one should delegate the document arrangement to LaTeX! And how much is too much for "manual work"
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