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3:00 PM
@Bob Bah, you need some rep, just ask @JourneymanGeek. His answer I posted by proxy is already at 47 upvotes. My previous recored was 13.
 
FreeRepGeek?
 
XD
At this point, rep is just a number XD
@ThatBrazilianGuy: did you rep-cap? ;p
 
actually, Journeyman reminds me of U.S. Office of Personnel Management's Government Labor Categories (they are public knowledge)
 
@JourneymanGeek I don't know, how do I check?
 
3:01 PM
they have things like
IT Specialist Journeyman (the lowest level IT Specialist)
then IT Specialist I, IT Specialist II, IT Specialist III, etc
so you should really be like GeekV by now
 
Bob
@allquixotic requires 15 rep :P
 
@JourneymanGeek Is rep-cap the 200 rep limit on a question per day? Because I had 200 yesterday and today as well. O_o
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy: XD, AWESOME.
@allquixotic: XD. I have much to learn, and much to prove ;p
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy: pretty much. I got 185ish yesterday and slightly over 200 today ;p
Thats odd
mine has a line
 
3:07 PM
 
Bob
I also write too many comments... should answer more :P
 
@Gowtham Do the buttons have no effect or is my browser misbehaving?
 
OH
I think I zoomed in
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy Buttons are fake
 
3:10 PM
@JourneymanGeek Probably because you have earned more than 200 on some given day, I never did ._____.
 
I suppose
 
Sunday, November 11, 2012 was a bad day... -450
I think I awarded a big bounty
 
@Gowtham So what's the purp...OH I STARTED TYPING RANDOMLY
 
October 24, 2012 was a good day. +265
 
@JourneymanGeek July usually gets you a lot of rep
Vacation period?
 
3:12 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy: actually, its the exam pattern
I get more rep during exams cause I'm stressed out ;p
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@JourneymanGeek I've seen the same phenomenon :D
 
I had a quiet week cause everything was well. This past few days was drama city
mostly sorted out now, even the school BS
and... yeah, lots of rep ;p
 
> Innovative or Simply Post-Modern?
New Paradigms in the Study of "Xbox"
O__o
 
lol
I think its googling
 
> The Xbox is a video gaming brand created by Microsoft. It includes a series of video game consoles developed by Microsoft, with consoles in the sixth to eighth generations, as well as applications, streaming services, and an online service, Xbox Live. The brand was first introduced on November 15, 2001 in the United States, with the launch of the original Xbox console
WHAT KIND OF SORCERY IS THAT
They didn't have it when I was on highschool
(Wikipedia was only created on 2001)
!!wiki wikipedia
 
3:15 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy wiki A collaborative website which can be directly edited merely by using a web browser, often by anyone with access to it.
@ThatBrazilianGuy No definition found.
Wikipedia ( or ) is a collaboratively edited, multilingual, free Internet encyclopedia that the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation supports. Volunteers worldwide collaboratively write Wikipedia's 30 million articles in 287 languages, including million}} in the English Wikipedia. Anyone who can access the site can edit almost any of its articles, which on the Internet comprise ranking sixth globally among all websites on Alexa with an estimated 365 million readers. Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger launched Wikipedia on January 15, 2001, the latter from a portmanteau of wiki (a type of col...
 
!!wiki philosophy
 
Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. Philosophy is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument. In more casual speech, by extension, "philosophy" can refer to "the most basic beliefs, concepts, and attitudes of an individual or group". The word "philosophy" comes from the Ancient Greek φιλοσοφία (philosophia), which literally means "love of wisdom". The introduction of t...
 
everything ultimately boils down to that
huh... a picture of a Sith Lord statue for philosophy
 
Wait, someone made a statue of me?
 
> the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality
Wait, what's the study of problems totally disconnected from reality called? Schizophrenia?
 
3:17 PM
no, political science.
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Here, take this star, you deserve it.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy I don't even want to know where you're getting all those stars from
is there some kind of star black market? are they drilling tunnels through the earth to traffick stars now?
 
@allquixotic Nah, we just take them from kids when they get home from school.
 
@allquixotic Not tunnels, pipes. There's a certain dealer that disguises himself as a plumber, he specializes in that. That, and mushrooms.
 
man, I've spent 10 minutes looking through the unanswered question list on SO and almost every single one of them is about some technology I've never even heard of, much less know how to answer
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3:21 PM
lol
thats how I often feel on SF
 
I guess you just have to be a fast typist to get rep on SO
 
Bob
middle of the night, I'm cold... time to start up a GPU-intensive game :D
 
and wait for easy questions
 
@JourneymanGeek (copypasta from wiki, actually)
 
Bob
@allquixotic tags, the only way
 
3:22 PM
@Bob Middle of the night?
I keep forgetting you are from the future.
Will it rain is it raining tomorrow?
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy how should I know, it's nighttime
 
@Bob I can send you my warmth.exe
I think I lost the source :S
 
Bob
@allquixotic ?? :S
 
@Bob From where I deduce it is only possible to rain during daytime.
At least on Australia your parallel universe
 
unless its spain, where the rain falls mainly on the plain
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3:25 PM
@allquixotic I better put this process on a blacklist. It's overheating hardware all over the place:
(absolutely-not-fun fact: the place across the street in the picture is where I get the bus to work every day.)
 
Today I took a cab just to get to the bus stop, and then a double-priced van instead of a bus, because air conditioner.
 
b64 decode, ILspy, realize it's not malware, run
depends on .NET 4 Client Profile
 
Bob
lol
I'll stick with SR3 thanks :P
 
bah
 
Bob
3:29 PM
useful work
 
making heat when you're cold is useful work
 
saints row 3?
 
wtf is that doing on unix.stackexchange.com
his eyes are creepy -- that looks hugely shopped
 
lol
thats richie ;p
some text would be nice tho
 
@JourneymanGeek or just, you know, post a very odd picture of a creepy old man who isn't even smiling (though I imagine that would make it worse if he were)
it's totally unprecedented that people would rebel against pictures of older bearded men randomly appearing on their favorite sites
that picture of Ritchie really gives me..... uncanny valley
!!wiki "Uncanny valley"
 
3:40 PM
The uncanny valley is a hypothesis in the field of human aesthetics which holds that when human features look and move almost, but not exactly, like natural human beings, it causes a response of among some human observers. Examples can be found in the fields of robotics, 3D computer animation, and in medical fields such as burn reconstruction, infectious diseases, neurological conditions, and plastic surgery. The "valley" refers to the dip in a graph of the comfort level of humans as subjects move toward a healthy, natural human likeness described in a function of a subject's aesthetic ...
 
@JourneymanGeek I had hit over 1k consec visits
 
got broken during wedding
 
@allquixotic where?
 
3:51 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy the homepage. it's one of the ads.
 
@allquixotic Oh, ADs. I keep forgetting they even exist.
Last time I saw a, ahem, regular user trying to download something from a popular download site, and he didn't have ADBplus...
My reaction was, "how do they even accomplish to perform the download?!"
 
Then it suddenly dawned on me, they do achieve, they download a lot of malware
That's so counter-productive, I can understand why non-tech-savvy people would click a download button that purposefully deceives the user into thinking these are the buttons you are looking for.
What I don't understand is why the hell would a download site implement those banners
They counterfeit the very goal of the download site
It would like going to a restaurant that has a lote of fake food on the menu, and when you order it the food starts broadcasting radio ADs on the first bite
Or a footbal stadium with a lot of fake doors that if you happen to enter you are surronded by an army of used car salesman yelling
@allquixotic No, it's the top-voted community-approved AD:
That definetely proves, *nixers have no common sense sense of aesthetics.
 
4:08 PM
Is it possible to create raid from 2 hdds where one is at an intel 6gbs sata port and the other at one 3gbps?
 
@Luka if you mean software RAID or BIOS RAID, sure (definitely software, not sure about the BIOS RAID)... hardware raid, no
 
I mean use the Intel Z68 RAID.
 
@Luka the only thing it depends on is whether your 3gbps port is on the same SATA controller
many motherboards will have something like: a built-in chipset-integrated SATA controller and one or more additional add-on SATA controllers (possibly by a different manufacturer) soldered onto the motherboard to provide extra ports
if you are plugging drives into different SATA controllers entirely, you won't be able to use fakeraid a.k.a. BIOS RAID a.k.a. "Intel Z68 RAID" as you said
BIOS RAID always assumes that the SATA controller integrated into the platform controller hub is the one controlling all the RAIDed disks
 
Aha I see... I have this motherboard: asus.com/Motherboards/P8Z68V_PRO/#specifications and I have one SSD and 2 HDDs I want to raid 1
I decided marvel controller is crap (people say my mb is only pc1)
 
> Intel® Z68 chipset :
2 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), gray
4 x SATA 3Gb/s port(s), blue
Support Raid 0, 1, 5, 10
Support Intel® Smart Response Technology on 2nd generation Intel® Core™ processor family
Marvell® PCIe SATA 6Gb/s controller : *2
2 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), navy blue
JMicron® JMB362 controller : *2
1 x eSATA 3Gb/s port(s), red
 
4:14 PM
Yes, I saw that
 
you could plug all of your drives into the chipset's builtin SATA controller and you'd likely be fine, even if the port speed differs between them
but don't (!) plug any of the drives alternately into the JMicron or Marvell controllers and the on-board controller
that will not work
 
can you please tell me what's the bandwidth of the Intel controller?
 
so basically, don't use any of the navy blue or red SATA ports for drives you want to RAID
 
I mean what's better: SSD: 6gbps, HDD 1: 3gbps, HDD 2: 3gbps OR SSD: 6gbps, HDD 1: 6gbps, HDD 2: 3gbps?
 
@Luka unless your hard drives are very high-end (10k RPM or higher), it's very likely that they won't be able to exceed 3 Gbps, so it doesn't matter whether you plug them into 3 Gbps or 6 Gbps ports
the SSD is rather likely to exceed 3 Gbps in spikes during intensive reads, but the HDDs pretty much won't, ever
 
4:17 PM
If I plug one to 6gbps and one to 3gbps, will incompatibilities arise?
 
@Luka like I said above, I don't know, but it's neither impossible nor guaranteed
 
OK, thanks a lot!
 
it shouldn't cause any problems
 
@allquixotic my awesome 10k enterprise class 6gbps HD that I got ultra-cheap on the other hand... that thing damn well screams.
@allquixotic did you really not recognize Ritchie??
 
@JimmyHoffa yeah, I really wish you could get fast HDDs at the same capacity as consumer-grade 7200rpms... 4 TB
 
4:20 PM
I don't want to seem curious but how you can get HDDs cheap?
 
@allquixotic 600gb of exrtremely fast storage for my desktop is fine for me, fits OS and all the games I need at any one time. Nothing else I do really benefits from disk speed.
@Luka Refurbished/Recertified/Open-Box
 
Oh, great point!
 
@JimmyHoffa I know his name, but I don't go around staring at pictures of old engineers... I know the faces of Torvalds and Stallman and Gates and Jobs and even Perens and Schneier, but I'd never seen Ritchie before
 
One last question: intel.com/content/dam/doc/product-brief/… can anyone please commend on the bandwidth of the Intel sata ports? Do all the ports share the same bandwidth?
 
@Luka buying new hard drives (good ones) for very cheap these days is extremely difficult because the price of HDDs across the board has increased since about 2011
 
4:22 PM
@allquixotic I've just picked up what he looked like from reading fair bits of what he's written where you tend to find a picture of the author-- he's an extremely smart guy who has written absolute metric tons of shit
 
there was a terrible tsunami and flood with a high death toll and the loss of a major world-class HDD manufacturing facility in Thailand, which wiped out years of progress in the HDD sector
 
yes, I know, I remember when I got one 2TB ultra cheap and then a few months later the price doubled!
 
@Luka one thing you have to understand about modern chipsets is that the bandwidth is "full width" -- because there's no Front-Side Bus, each PCI Express lane is point to point to the CPU, and each lane can max itself out in parallel without bottlenecking
the SATA controller, in turn, provides its port bandwidth promises with the understanding that it has enough underlying PCI-E lanes to support it
 
they wouldn't have that many 6 Gbps ports (and 3 Gbps ones) if they didn't think they had enough lanes to support it
it's not like a USB 2.0 hub, where you can plug one USB hub into a port with 480 Mbps of bandwidth, then plug eight devices into the hub that each want their own 480 Mbps and hit a bottleneck
 
4:25 PM
Seems like those HDD manufactures took advantage of the tsunami to be honest. It's hard to believe the whole story.
 
that's not how SATA and PCIE works
 
@Luka I agree
 
@JimmyHoffa with my Adaptec 5405 hardware RAID controller, I also have extremely fast storage, but 8 TB of it because of RAID-0... and I actually use a significant part of that... I use way, way more than 600 GB though, so that drive wouldn't fly for me
I could probably get by in the near term with a RAID0 of 2 x 2TB 10k RPM, but 2 x 2TB 10k RPM sounds like about a $1500 investment
 
But in the end I personally believe the HDD industry is doomed in the consumer market... Most people are OK with one 256 or 512 ssd and when those price fall to $100 no one will buy HDDs other than cloud companies and the like.
 
the only thing yours has over mine is lower seek times for data that isn't cached, but throughput is probably comparable or better with the RAID array of 7200rpms
 
4:27 PM
Business types are never in a hurry to lower prices any quicker than their competitors, the tsunami inflated prices and while production is likely been back a good while prices have not dropped appropriately just because company's don't change their prices based on their costs, their prices are based on market competition and pay no mind to cost (until it get's near their cost which is really impossible in modern corporate approaches to things where they cut costs to the bone)
 
@Luka and people who have terabytes of games and movies
 
yes, those are few
 
not really...
 
maybe less than 5% of PC uses
 
The way I see it, HDDs are here to stay, but will probably be relegated to tertiary storage, for backups, long-term archival storage, etc; what tape was once used for.
 
4:28 PM
Compared to the total of PC users, we might indeed be a small fraction
@DragonLord Yeah, and multi-TB HDDs will be really expensive in the future ._____.
 
it's still a big market, and that market segment spends a whole hell of a lot more per-person than the majority of the people, considering the majority is just going to buy a commodity $800 desktop with crap components and not upgrade it for 5 years and not install any games or demanding software
 
@allquixotic I have more than 600gb of storage but I just don't see myself needing more than 600gb of high speed storage off hand; it'll fit my OS + all the games I need to run at any one time (sometimes I may need to swap but that just means uninstalling ones I won't play anymore so no loss their)
 
I mean, just look at the average PC user: he has no idea how to build a PC and he brought it. Now he use it only for FB, YT and a few games maybe
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You may do more tasks that rely on high speed storage than I
 
@DragonLord was once? tape is still a huge thing -- call it quaternary storage if you have to, but Amazon Glacier is tape-based, and many enterprises send reels of tape to data retention warehouses for long-term storage... it's cheaper per GB than HDDs
@JimmyHoffa video capture is a rather major requirement for me.... framebuffer -> CPU -> RAM -> GPU VCE -> 1080p@60fps H264 -> disk... all while doing all the other expensive tasks involved in playing a game
 
4:31 PM
@allquixotic Not that it's common in the consumer market any more. Hard drive storage density and reliability is pretty good these days.
 
time to install the raid, I will report back
 
@DragonLord I think, unless SSD prices continue to fall and/or densities continue to climb at a faster rate than HDDs, HDDs are really here to stay as primary non-volatile storage... even in cases where people don't need fast storage or lots of it, buying an HDD is almost always more cost-efficient than buying an SSD
"I need 250 GB of storage and I have X amount of money... what's the cheapest way to do it?" -- that's not a lot of storage, and HDD is always cheaper
 
@allquixotic I recognize video capture is very disk intensive - don't need the explanation :P I don't do it and most don't but yeah as I figured; you do more disk intensive tasks than I
 
of course, the cost per GB increases with the amount of storage you need with SSDs at a much faster rate than with HDDs
4 TB of SSD is a lot costlier than 4 TB of HDD
 
@allquixotic warehouses? They use caves and old mines and such :P
 
4:34 PM
@JimmyHoffa I know. Iron Mountain
 
@allquixotic What are you, a professional youtuber for a gaming channel?
 
Bob
!!listcommands
 
@Bob help, listen, eval, coffee, refresh, forget, info, listcommands, tell, afk, awsm, ban, unban, color, convert, define, domain, export, findcommand, forgetseen, github, google, hang, inhistory, import, jquery, learn, test, why, ok, hello, friday, after5, theanswer, caution, nicethings, europe, goaway, status, idk, thatword, poptart, routertroubleshooting, networkingproblem, meta, rlemon, no, foxno, yes, orlmente, fixit, uio, taytaytay, ping, maybe, say, facepalm, hv, ohhh, whocares, snore
toostupid, bababababat, plz, whee, lol, sudo, beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe, test1, ittts, gates
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy not professional... just casual
@Bob RE: @Zirak? :P
 
Bob
@allquixotic Ya :P
 
4:36 PM
Casual gaming? So it's Candy Crush and Angry Birds?
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy no, casual uploading. I don't intend to make money by uploading videos, meaning, I'm not a professional youtuber
 
@allquixotic you haz youtube channel?
 
Bob
Well, it's almost 4 AM. Bye all.
 
@Bob Inaccurate.
 
4:39 PM
bye Bob
@JimmyHoffa actually, on the timescale of the age of the universe, the inaccuracy between his statement of what time it is, and what time it is here in the US, is pretty accurate -- assuming that the current date is implied -- just pointing out that we're within ~24h is quite an accurate location in time
 
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, I can approve or reject edits now *____*
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy now now, don't go power tripping
 
MWA HA HA HA EXCELLENT
@allquixotic What, who me? Never!
 
@JimmyHoffa even if he said "Well, it's January 2014. Bye all." that would be tremendously accurate considering how many months that have already passed in the age of the universe
 
> that would be tremendously accurate because it's currently January 2014
Not much detailed in a precision scale, but still accurate
 
4:46 PM
this is how I think about meetings and appointments
who cares if I'm an hour or two late? it's just a tiny fraction of the age of the universe!
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people who obsess with being "on time" clearly have no perspective; I'm more worried about the heat-death of the universe than about not being perfectly punctual
 
@allquixotic I suspect you're kidding. I am dead if not punctual (read: early) - I can't stand the idea of not meeting a deadline I've personally committed myself to
 
This is how I think about meetings and appointments: usually they are a giant waste of time. Lots of time.
 
@JimmyHoffa I hate committing to deadlines to begin with, but when I do, it's usually because I'm being paid to commit to them and to meet them, in which case I tend to meet them -- although if I had my druthers there wouldn't be deadlines
there are companies and organizations that operate successfully without them, for instance Blizzard
 
@allquixotic when I say deadline I just mean a time to be somewhere or do something like meetings. When it comes to actually having work done on deadlines, nah I don't worry two craps about that. Especially when others make the deadlines for me as is normal in companys
I completely ignore deadlines for work (read: completely) when other people make them up without so much as consulting me. -- almost my favorite way to get deadlines because I know I can't care about it then.
 
@JimmyHoffa yeah, the worst deadlines are those that are just for someone else's convenience, set arbitrarily
I guess if I actually care about a person I've agreed to meet with, I want to be semi on-time, but I really have no bad feeling about being 5 or 10 minutes late
 
4:56 PM
Spooks me out the rare times someone let's me estimate and decide the deadline, because then I know I'll make myself nuts to meet it (or as is professional: If it appears irreconcilable without heroic efforts, I raise the issue up the totem pole and try to reset expectations)
 
@JimmyHoffa once in a while, the customer will set a hard deadline and I'll have to go through herculean efforts to meet it
 
@allquixotic I've never been against that when it's once-in-a-while
I've been companies that tried demanding it constantly though, they found themselves poorly lacking when I refuse to do that consistently, if it happens frequently it's a simple sign of managers fucking up and not my job to save them from their mistakes, that would only stop them from learning the valuable lesson they're missing. I leave those companies.
But I'm not too good for some overtime and weekend work once or twice a year, that sounds like an accident not incompetence
 
@JimmyHoffa how about asking for a 6-figure budget to work on a project; getting $0 from the powers that be, then asking people whose job isn't related to the project to work on it anyway, uncompensated, after they conclude their normal 8-hour day job?
true story
I wish you could do that in ES
"can you rush build me this battleship right now for 0 dust? plz"
GOOBY PLZ
 
5:26 PM
Yay, weekend. Hi All
 
Ash
ls there any way to turn Windows 8 laptop into a WAP ?
 
Yes.
Does it need to continue running win8 ?
 
Ash
ya..
 
I wonder if the net commands still work in win8
 
Ash
I does it wid hostapd in linux
 
5:32 PM
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Q: Windows 7 hosted network

WikenoI have to use a wired conection to my PC and i'd like to connect my android phone to the internet over Wi-Fi. I tried using the new Wireless Hosted Network functionality in Windows 7, but my phone can't connect - it gets stuck at "Obtaining IP address...". The AP is working - it is visible in the...

That is win 7 though
 
Ash
that will do the job. :)
 
> On Android, the WhatsApp password is a md5 hash of the reversed IMEI number. On iOS devices the password is generated from the device's WLAN MAC address. (...) The username is the users mobile phone number – an attacker would probably already know the number.

> The IMEI can be obtained if you have physical access to the phone or if you control an app installed on the users device. The WLAN MAC address can be found using a network sniffer. Congratulations, you can now take over a users WhatsApp account.
 
Anonymous
@ThatBrazilianGuy fucking old news
 
Anonymous
seriously
 
Whohooo! 4 upvotes away from 20k!
 
Anonymous
5:43 PM
>september 2012
 
Anonymous
now whatsapp does encrypt its shit etc
 
@PatoSáinz Yes, because everybody knows everything so what's the point of posting anything on the internet, really? What's the point in reading books written before 2014? Watching movies of the last season, listening to music?
Let's just produce more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and data! Woohoo \o/
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy now now, play nice.
 
Anonymous
@ThatBrazilianGuy yes you fucker why would we should be surprised because of an issue that was commonly known and fixed
 
I am just being ironic, not offensive.
 
Anonymous
5:48 PM
I AM BEING OFFENSIVE YOU LITTLE TWAT
 
@allquixotic See? That -----^ was offensive
 
Anonymous
jk, i love you @ThatBrazilianGuy
 
Anonymous
<3
 
Now that was just bipolar
 
I think I just got whiplash.
 
5:50 PM
!!define whiplash
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy whiplash the lash of a whip
 
!!orlmente
 
!!define whiplash_(medicine)
 
@terdon It means I aint got time to learn your $5 words
 
5:53 PM
fine
> Whiplash is a non-medical term describing a range of injuries to the neck caused by or related to a sudden distortion of the neck[1] associated with extension.
 
!!define neck
 
@allquixotic neck The part of body connecting the head and the trunk found in humans and some animals.
@terdon No definition found.
 
Why isn't cavil finding this?
Whiplash is a non-medical term describing a range of injuries to the neck caused by or related to a sudden distortion of the neck associated with extension. The term "whiplash" is a colloquialism. "Cervical acceleration-deceleration" (CAD) describes the mechanism of the injury, while the term "whiplash associated disorders" (WAD) describes the injury sequelae and symptoms. Whiplash is commonly associated with motor vehicle accidents, usually when the vehicle has been hit in the rear; however, the injury can be sustained in many other ways, including headbanging, bungee jumping and falls....
!!wiki Whiplash_(medicine)
 
Whiplash is a non-medical term describing a range of injuries to the neck caused by or related to a sudden distortion of the neck associated with extension. The term "whiplash" is a colloquialism. "Cervical acceleration-deceleration" (CAD) describes the mechanism of the injury, while the term "whiplash associated disorders" (WAD) describes the injury sequelae and symptoms. Whiplash is commonly associated with motor vehicle accidents, usually when the vehicle has been hit in the rear; however, the injury can be sustained in many other ways, including headbanging, bungee jumping and falls....
 
Ah, there we go.
 
5:55 PM
i think !!define takes from thefreedictionary or something
wiktionary
 
6:25 PM
Google now lets strangers send you email using Google+ (without knowing your email address prior) pcworld.com/article/2086722/…
 
6:51 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy thanks man, disabled that!
lately i've been putting more and more energy into disabling things that google adds to my account that increase my exposure that i really don't want
a.k.a. old curmudgeon doesn't like new features
 
@allquixotic it's generational. People used to drill on how much you should share nothing and make as little as possible available online, so folks learned to participate in the internet via anonymity and pseudonymity, newer generation either as rebellion or lack of the importance put on privacy has bucked this and gone with the "I just won't worry about it" approach. Neither is more right, just interesting the distinction and how clearly it lies on a generational line of when people began
participating in the internet
I also wonder if it's partially that they don't know how to participate pseudonymously quite so well whereas for you or I it's second nature.
 
@JimmyHoffa I think the real new generation (kids becoming teenagers today) are not growing up with any concept of identity-privacy whatsoever... the only privacy they know about is "I should be allowed to go to the bathroom without being looked at while I do it"
but as far as their identity and their reputation and their thoughts and ideas, they don't have any reason to think that should be protected
 
True, I won't speculate into which way is right or wrong but yeah it is interesting, and that does appear to basically be the perspective held by our future maintainers.
 
@JimmyHoffa also, privacy aside, younger generations are more eager to participate in random discourse with people they don't even know, and to bring these strangers "frighteningly" close to their day to day activities (by "frighteningly" I mean, by our standards)
us old curmudgeons who grew up on dial-up are basically OK with getting to know someone at a distance where you can turn them off any time you want (like on a forum) by simply not visiting whatever place you meet them at, or going to a different part of that service, and not letting them into, e.g. your email/IM areas until after you know them well
but we wouldn't want to be like "hey guys in Root Access :) I'm a newbie here, and my email is whatever@gmail.com"
which is effectively what Google is pushing, and what young kids are okay with
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
7:06 PM
eargasm
 
7:17 PM
t
 
nice
 
doesn't quite work yet
I can never remember how the bot actualy replies to people
however you can toggle it and use it, you just get no notification when you enable or disable it
 
7:33 PM
@rlemon I'd just have it at disabled all the time, or just remove the plugin if it made its way to master
I don't want things being un-oneboxed
 
well that is the key - by default it is disabled. if another owner is here when you are not and dislikes them they can enable it and you can kill it when you return
just trying to make it easier than having to rebuild.
 
fair nuff
i don't mind having plugins in Zirak master that I won't use; already nuked summon and urban and probably a few others
it's very low maintenance on my part to "take care" of those
 
@rlemon if you have a "args.reply(' That didn\'t make much sense. Please use on or off to toggle the command ');" message, why then you allow several input?
 
@allquixotic to be clear, I did get the contextify bug fixed by hollowing it out (very simple library was easy to mock it's facilities - at the loss of a touch of security) but that's where I left it. I didn't resolve the last issue of the bot joining then basically saying "I'm done! Later guys!" which I suspect is basically an issue of how Zombie works that unlike a real browser, it doesn't just stick around when it doesn't have further tasks (basically it executes the browser tasks requested
then quits)
 
@Braiam because people don't always listen to instructions
 
Should be easy to resolve the last little issue hacking something up that makes the zombie host either leak some of it's faux resources to us before it dies or making it just live on halting at the good state before walking it's disposal tree that it does when it's finished all it's requested tasks
 
@JimmyHoffa interesting... so you actually got it working. wow. I'll see if I can figure out how to make it simply stay on the page happily. I'd be really interested in seeing the full breadth of the changes you made to get all that working
I mean for something like ZombieJS there has to be an API where you can just tell it "stay on the page, listen for more events coming from the network, and run the JS client mainloop"?
 
8:00 PM
@allquixotic Wasn't much, there were a couple small things here and there; I hollowed out contextify which did most of it, also I wrote a simpler runner script and the only other fix was a small tweak to....zombie I think? Yeah it's faux browser didn't have a style attribute on anchors, so I just cloned where it added style attributes to other elements and made it do it for anchors too. Is a known Zombie bug with easy fix
@allquixotic It has wait facilities, I didn't quite get them to work how I needed, you might be able to
 
@JimmyHoffa impressive :) would be very interested to see the results and to see whether the client JS engine can actually load the whole bot, due to its complicated featureset
 
My analysis could also be wrong
 
and if, on the off chance, ZombieJS doesn't support some certain JS features that are required by the bot code client-side, I can always apply the ES5 shims/shams patch that reduces the bot's JavaScript feature requirement to the level of about IE 7
by the way, that patch is here
you just git apply the patch in the SO-ChatBot main directory, then node build.js
 
8:15 PM
okay unonebox is in master now FYI
 
cool
 
@Bob troubles connecting to the chatbot host there like I had before... thoughts?
 
@JimmyHoffa his thoughts right now are of being chased by friendly horses who are tapping their hooves on telegraphs. in short, he's asleep
I'm sure he'll answer you in ~5 hours :P
 
@allquixotic telegraphing horses? Everybody knows you should never telegraph..
In sporting terminology, to telegraph is to unintentionally alert an opponent to one's immediate situation or intentions. The sporting use of the term telegraph draws a direct comparison with the communication device of the same name. "Telegraphing" always refers to a reflexive physical action rather than a protracted or intellectual give-away. For example, a boxer rotating his shoulders to throw a hook would be telegraphing. A rugby team betraying its line-out plays by using an easily-decoded line-out code is not telegraphing. While telegraphing is a hazard for any sporting event, it is...
Them horses gonna get knocked out.
 
@JimmyHoffa youtube "what does the fox say" and you will understand
 
8:28 PM
@allquixotic The fox says "I'm gonna get you sucka" ?
 
@JimmyHoffa do you want to play ES tonight? we can run it for a few more turns until we either get bored, or it's totally obvious that we can't lose or even be challenged by the Easy AI... and then if you want we can start a new game with much harder AIs
or we can run it to its completion and win outright
the AI won't surrender, so someone is going to have to win for the game to end on its own
 
I want to win outright :D but not sure about tonight. Probably going to read a book with the wife tonight (I know stupid real life 'n all that)
Hey you're a native baltimorean, do you pronounce water like "wooter" ?
 
@JimmyHoffa no
I know (lots of) people who do, but I don't
 
I thought someone was messing with me when they say people say that there. I have no idea how you could get that pronunciation from the words spelling...
at least like in pittsburgh how they turn an ow sound into ah it's kind of relatably similar sounds "dOWntOWn" -> "dAHntAHn"
Are there other words where they turn an "ah" sound into an "oo" sound in Baltimore?
 
I learned English from people (parents and grandparents) who spent most of their lives in: North Dakota, England, North Carolina, and only 25% of the family tree spent more than a few years in Maryland at the time I was born (my dad)
my dad grew up in Maryland as did his dad, but my mom's family had only lived here for a number of years; they didn't grow up here
I don't have an English accent; when I took that accent test, I think I leaned a bit southern
picked up on some of the North Carolina
@JimmyHoffa don't know... I'll have to think about that
@JimmyHoffa also, the way I've heard it, it's more like "wooder" than "wooter"
 
8:36 PM
@allquixotic gotcha
 
the stereotypical Marylander accent is the "ue" in the word "true" (and similar words) being pronounced with an extremely nasal "e" -- like "eww", but more "iew"
I have that as part of my natural accent, but not the "wooder" part
 
8:53 PM
Hah, that's cool: Go to the MDN and open up the javascript console (at least in chrome) awesome message.
 
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That's so cool it makes me want to start inspecting the js console around lots of websites...
Who knows what goes unseen
 

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