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Been thinking of buying a new laptop soon and would like to go back to thinkpads (I'm on a Dell now). Wondering if anyone has played with the new line, especially the new keyboard.

slhck

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Q: Does My System can manage 8GB RAM or not

Hii Everyone here is my System Configuration Mother Board : Asrock G31M-VS Processor : Intel Dual Core 2.5GHZ RAM : 1GB DDR2 667MHZ Now Iam Trying to Upgrade My Memory i have checked in this Site and i found that my mother board can support 8GB RAM DDR2 RAM with FSB 800...

Do we have a canonical question for this?

ekaj

does can manage

slhck

We should really close all these as duplicates of something. There's no point in having one for each combination of mobo, CPU, etc

Oh, I reached 100k

ekaj

Grats!

slhck

12:31 PM

Thanks :)

ekaj

I'm tired but I can't go to bed or I'll sleep until 5pm again

terdon

@slhck whohoo! Well done!

@slhck wow, I was in the process of editing that post when yours came through. What a strange guy, he Capitalizes Everything Except i which he should actually capitalize. Grrr

slhck

Yeah i Don't know Why you would Do that.

ekaj

Or People On Social Networking Who Do Weird Stuff Too.!! (( :

slhck

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A: Can my system manage 8GB of RAM?

Yes your motherboard will support 8GB of RAM(source) and yes your processor will be able to handle 8GB of RAM. But if you do install 8GB RAM you will also need to install a 64Bit OS too(32 bit Operating Systems only use 3.25GB of RAM). I don't feel there is need for 8GB RAM as the dual core proc...

I mean, is that right?

Why shouldn't they buy 8 GB if the system supports it?

ekaj

12:39 PM

Their logic is that the processor is going to be the bottleneck past 4 gigs of RAM I think, but I'm no hardware person

terdon

@slhck Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Why should the CPU have an issue? And what if you simply want to load a huge file/program that is several Gigs in size?

slhck

Exactly.

Bob

@vzhen 'coding use'?

if you're planning to compile in little time, then a cheap system isn't gonna cut it

ekaj

Bob

@JourneymanGeek At about $300? Celeron if you're lucky.

@vzhen None of us do :P

For $300 in a desktop you might just manage an i3

which is decent

bit slow for compiling

but more than enough for actually typing up code, etc.

you'll want more RAM if you wanna run IDEs like Eclipse

gaming is another matter

slhck

12:49 PM

@Igor I'm on an i5 3230m based laptop right now(Windows 8 Enterprise). I'm running a Firefox, foobar2000(for songs), Steam, Pidgin(a chat client) & I'm consuming 1.5GB of RAM. Even if OP gets 32GB of RAM there's no way OP can run so many programs to use all the RAM without completely freezing his machine. — Karan Raj Baruah 2 mins ago

What?

Why would having too much RAM freeze your machine?

ekaj

bad piece

non-matching speeds

@slhck Congrats!

but I'm guessing

Thanks!

I'm hoping to hit 20k today or tomorrow :)

Bob

12:50 PM

@ekaj processor... bottleneck on RAM size???

I don't think x86-32 CPUs are even sold anymore for consumer use

slhck

@Bob Nonsense, right?

Bob

@slhck Yes, utter nonsense.

@KaranRajBaruah That... makes no sense. Running a game (heavy on CPU &/ GPU) while performing other tasks could cause contention for CPU &/ GPU resources, but there's certainly nothing saying having more RAM would cause slowdowns - quite the opposite! Any unused RAM is actually used to cache the disks, which speeds up IO. You can also keep a lot more background programs open. — Bob 38 secs ago

slhck

@Bob Yeah. I mean, I don't know a lot about hardware but that's just common sense.

With RAM being so cheap.. It's like winning $50k in the lottery and only redeeming half of your prize because you're not gonna spend it all anyway.

Bob

> like browsing with many tabs open can easily lead to browser allocating around 1 GB of memory

looks at FF with 225 tabs and 3 GB RAM used

yea.... 1 GB....

terdon

Yeah, and I often deal with text files that are >4G in size (I work with genome sequences)

Bob

12:57 PM

@slhck I still wouldn't recommend upgrading the RAM, tbh - it's just not worth it.

DDR2 isn't that cheap per GB

and the rest of the machine is already pretty old

though "Dual Core 2.5GHZ" means nothing

slhck

True

Bob

if it were DDR3, sure

you could at least later upgrade the CPU/mobo and keep the RAM (though, DDR4 soon...)

but DDR2 is a dead end now

unless you really need to keep the system running for a long time with no further upgrades, it's not worth spending the extra $60-$100 for even 4 GB of DDR2

@terdon That's probably just a little more specialised :P

terdon

@Bob well, yeah, OK, but opening large files is not all that uncommon. Be they images or whatever.

Bob

Ya.

@terdon Though I do hope this guy doesn't plan to do any high-res video editing/transcoding on that old machine! :P

terdon

Heh

@slhck maybe this should be migrated to Server Fault or Unix & Linux?

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Q: Handle many apache processes the right way

We are experiencing many apache processes in peaks. Sometimes there are > 1000 apache processes at a time and a lot of them are waiting. This can cause high server loads or even downtimes of the server. Now I am wondering how to setup a System that is capable of handling 1000 oder 2000 oder 300...

ubuntu apache

Bob

1:04 PM

@terdon O.O

I sense a seriously messed setup.

Also, don't think Server Fault would be very receptive to that one :P

terdon

Yeah, but handling >1000 servers is certainly off topic here.

Bob

@terdon That's 1000 processes

slhck

@Bob that --^

Bob

if he's using the old prefork MPM (almost definitely), then... yea

terdon

@Bob ah, point, yes.

Still, that's a professional system, so off topic here right?

Bob

1:06 PM

worker at least, please, or even the event MPM

slhck

It's a little vague for my taste.

Bob

@terdon doesn't sound professional enough for SF

terdon

@slhck yes, so it may come under the don't migrate crap rule

slhck

For SF definitely, yeah.

terdon

@Bob bad professional is still a professional :)

Bob

1:06 PM

SF expects trained professionals, or at least questions sounding like them

this guy honestly sounds kinda clueless

terdon

OK, I'll delete my comment then.

slhck

Indeed :D

Journeyman Geek

@Bob a monitor alone is > 100 dollars ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek bah, I wouldn't call a monitor part of a system (for the purpose of purchasing)

of all components, that may just be the easiest to port

slhck

I left a comment

allquixotic

1:11 PM

@Bob my NUC was $300 base for the unit without RAM or an SSD or a network card. add in those 3 and it was 4-something

terdon

@slhck for borderline questions, you can send them to Unix & Linux. We deal with both professional and newbie questions over there. Though the don't migrate crap rule of course applies.

slhck

I actually rarely migrate stuff these days.

allquixotic

surprisingly, the main thing I've noticed about it is that the 32 GB MLC mSATA SSD is remarkably slow... it must be like 3 SD card chips in RAID.... not great

the CPU handles fine even when using it as a desktop, and the graphics are meh, but the I/O just isn't what I'm used to; the Surface Pro is waaaaaaaay faster with its 128GB SSD and Ivy Bridge i5

Bob

@allquixotic yea, but $400 would definitely cover the difference between an i3 and i5

or was your NUC an i7?

allquixotic

no it's an i3

Bob

1:15 PM

ah.

@allquixotic wait, did it come with a PSU?

allquixotic

for a full-system, you could definitely kit out a Sandy Bridge Celeron NUC (there are no Ivy or Haswell Celery NUCs) for cheaper than an i3

@Bob yes, it's an external PSU in-line with the cable, much like a laptop

Bob

because you could pretty easily get a basic mobo + i3 + PSU + case for $300

maybe even include 8 GB of DDR3 in that

@allquixotic well...

allquixotic

well, it's laptop-grade hardware, so it's smaller and lower power -- if your requirements don't include "smaller or lower power" you can get more for the same money with full-scale desktop hardware, although the case is almost sure to be more expensive than the NUC's little plastic thing

Bob

bigger SSDs => more small chips in parallel => longer life and faster speeds

that's how I always thought it went

@allquixotic unless second-hand case :P

@PatoSáinz ...what manner of perversion is this??

Anonymous

@bob /g/ thread

Bob

1:24 PM

...

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: you get more space, and there's some dirt cheap mini itx or mini atx cases

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ohhi :P

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek how is computer ruination going?

Gowtham

@JourneymanGeek not me !

Journeyman Geek

1:49 PM

@PatoSáinz: going to do it on a VM

Told my parents I wasn't comfortable with it, and it would cause more problems than it'll solve

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek i would have done the same

Bob

yay, network card from amazon arrived

guess what

a4 envelope, and it's a half-mini-pcie wifi card

-__-

Gowtham

@Bob pic ?

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: It was a very interesting mental exercise, but its the computer geek equivilent of rolling in something smelly.

holy cow

I am 2 upvotes away from repcapping today

scratch that ;)

Bob

Journeyman Geek

2:01 PM

lol

Boris_yo

2:32 PM

Come get some... dx.com/p/…

Bob

@Boris_yo why on earth would I pay $50 for something I could hack up in two hours, tops?

Boris_yo

@Bob Aluminum frame.

Bob

..so?

it's a slingshot

@allquixotic success! I haven't fiddled with drivers yet (gotta purge ralink, maybe install intel), but the new wifi card worked right out of the box

and I swear it connects faster with a better signal too ;)

...I also discovered an empty slot next to the wifi one

it's either mini pcie (full length) or msata

hmm

might get a SSD :P

was wonderign what that empty space was, then saw the empty connector

O.O moment

> 32-GB solid-state drive (for use only on computer models equipped with an Intel processor) 686927-001

allquixotic

@Bob yeay

Bob

anyone know how to tell between mini-pcie and msata?

well, they call it a "MSSD"

amazon.com/HP-686927-001-MSSD-32GB/dp/B008H69G3G

allquixotic

2:42 PM

@Bob with one you physically own, or from specs?

@Bob ah, so they're selling an "hp" logo :-)

Bob

@allquixotic the physical port

I suppose specs work too, but I can't find anything in the service manual

apart from that part number that's supposed to go in the slot

Page 64 here: h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c03694820.pdf

allquixotic

@Bob mini-pcie and msata are the same electrical connection aren't they? msata is just the protocol

Bob

@allquixotic Not quite...

> The connector is similar in appearance to a PCI Express Mini Card interface, and is electrically compatible; however, the data signals (TX±/RX± SATA, PETn0 PETp0 PERn0 PERp0 PCI Express) need a connection to the SATA host controller instead of the PCI Express host controller.

I guess I can't tell from the port

and it's undocumented

joy

allquixotic

It's almost Yoda's != operator. "a equals not b". Better would be "a, b, equals not". But a b =! or a,b =! doesn't compile. — allquixotic 16 hours ago

20 upvotes... if that were an answer, I'd have a delicious amount of SO rep (which is extremely rare for me)

Bob

I suppose it won't actually damage anything if I were to try

but I don't have any mpcie or msata drives lying around

allquixotic

2:45 PM

@Bob yeah, "electrically compatible" means that the worst that can happen is the data signals between the SSD and the motherboard make the motherboard go "wtf?"

Journeyman Geek

whoot

Hit 60K today :)

allquixotic

grats

Bob

@JourneymanGeek congrats

allquixotic

i still want Trusted User on SU :/

Bob

lol

allquixotic

2:46 PM

although i kinda want to go T-shaped and also get like 8k rep on SO and U&L

Bob

you beat me a while ago

allquixotic

15-16k is pretty good for SU

Bob

never caught up

Boris_yo

@Bob And a sturdy one. You want to hack for 2 hours sourcing materials for something that would break ultimately?

allquixotic

I answer about one question per day, unless I'm on a rare answer binge

and I've been meta.SU'ing more than ever before

Bob

2:47 PM

@Boris_yo uhh... I can grab a couple of nice thick wooden boards and a jigsaw and cut them in 30 mins

if your slingshot breaks 2cm thick wood, well... you have other problems, like not killing people

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: about the same for me

Bob

@allquixotic one per... week? month? here :(

Journeyman Geek

I have a few years on you tho ;p

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek true... and you have a lot more very popular answers than I do

only 8 answers with more than 20 upvotes here

Bob

huh, no, at least one a week here :P

allquixotic

2:50 PM

I've visited SU on 491 separate days and posted 436 answers, so I've obviously had a lot of blind spots where I didn't answer anything

Boris_yo

@Bob I just want to scare/repel annoying birds without fatalities.

Journeyman Geek

I have slightly over 2K answers ;p

Boris_yo

@ThatBrazilianGuy No way this is you!

Bob

702 consecutive days - I'm addicted :P

2

That Brazilian Guy

@MichaelFrank I saw that on my facebook feed and it made me unsubscribe Kotaku's feed. Crossed the inanity frontier by too many miles.

(Here we can talk inanities and post ~~cat~~ fox pictures, because, well, that's what we do).

allquixotic

2:52 PM

@Bob 702 consecutive? that takes fortitude -- and a lot of either idling in chat, or stopping to take a break from gaming

I'm pretty sure I lost my consecutive streak when I was playing XCOM: Enemy Within

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

it was too good

That Brazilian Guy

354 days, 9 consecutive :(
I think my most was 90 days

allquixotic

I played it all night Friday, woke up Saturday, played it all day Saturday, went to sleep, woke up Sunday.... yeah, basically that screwed over my streak

Journeyman Geek

I'm pretty sure I went over a year

@sathya probably has us all beat ;p

Bob

2:53 PM

> member for 1 year, 11 months
visited 702 days, 702 consecutive

allquixotic

I really need to write a Selenium daemon that fires off a PhantomJS process and logs me into SU once per day

Bob

not a day missed :P

allquixotic

@Bob wow

i'm going to name my program FreeGoldStar

Bob

haven't had any extended trips yet though

@allquixotic I've mentioned that a bunch of times in here before :P

never bothered to do so

Journeyman Geek

oh the fanatic? I has that ;p

That Brazilian Guy

2:55 PM

@allquixotic Yes, is there a badge for logging daily for a long time, isn't it?

allquixotic

@Bob it would actually only be a light fork of so-chatbot-driver

Bob

might end up doing that if I hit 1k - that would be too painful to lose

Journeyman Geek

superuser.com/help/badges/42/fanatic

allquixotic

main thing that'd have to be done is supporting google authentication

since my SE account is tied to my GOOG account

Bob

@JourneymanGeek WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE?!?!

That Brazilian Guy

2:56 PM

Oh, I have only the Enthusiast badge, not the Fanatic.

Journeyman Geek

I have one too ;p

Bob

> Awarded jan 3 at 0:38 to
Pidgeon
1

:S

100 consec days

1 rep

Journeyman Geek

Thats dedication ;p

allquixotic

or a bot

Bob

pretty sure you'd earn some rep by osmosis after that much time

allquixotic

2:58 PM

@Bob a lot of people are simple "consumers" of the great knowledgebase of the internet a.k.a. SE, they don't have anything at all to add (or aren't motivated enough to add, or not confident enough to add) so they simply login to view existing Q&As

maybe they just wanted to be able to upvote, idk

That Brazilian Guy

@Boris_yo I'm pretty sure I am me, if things haven't changed since the last time I checked. Or if the self is only an illusion, whatever disrupts your sense of reality first.

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