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1:01 PM

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sure lets add another device :-) They "took care of the rest" didnt they? For that kind of money i am going to hire my own sherpa who will follow me around with a desktop wi-fi connection and 2 car batteries.

1:13 PM

-and what does that get me? (using thier own estimator) 10 e-mails a day , 1 movie a day, 6 hours of streaming music, 18pics a day (little ones) , 1 game or application a day, and unlimited web browsing.

@Psycogeek wut

estimated total: 58 GB

so let's stick him on the 50 GB plan!

Journeyman Geek

and then ream him on the overages!

@Bob not to wory each overage gig is only $15

@Psycogeek ...

I pay 25c/MB over

that means i only pay $15 to watch a fair quality netflix movie. $30 for a bad stretch of youtube cat videos

1:16 PM

so, who's up for $250/GB? :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob: if that happens, I have neighbours with unsecured wifi ;p

this one is actually halfway decent: yatangomobile.com.au/pricing

@Bob you pay $500 to watch cat videos?

Journeyman Geek

hm

turns out nx uses a LOT of memory...

@Bob that is about the same here for a similar plan

Journeyman Geek

1:20 PM

so I suppose I have a torrent download box again

@JourneymanGeek poor you...

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: oh, I wouldn't use it

its illegal ;p

@JourneymanGeek what is it on this time?

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: old laptop

@JourneymanGeek it'd be even worse if those neighbors with unsecured wifi are paying $250/gb

1:24 PM

@JourneymanGeek not if you ask nicely in a roundabout manner D:

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: cough

@JourneymanGeek All of 7 strands of copper per wire in this cable :\

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: most land ISPs are unlimited here

@JourneymanGeek no mobile hotspots?

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: I'd love to know who it is. I'd secure their wifi for them if they asked nicely

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

1:25 PM

Hi @JourneymanGeek :D

Recognize me? :P

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: not from here.

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut: crazy buddy?

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

Ooh... You didn't forget :D

Journeyman Geek

dogs never forget. Or was that elephants?

@allquixotic what's a mobile hotspot?

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut that hat almost fooled me :-)

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

1:26 PM

hehe :D

oh, those things you pay $1000/month for?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: and most mobile hotspots are secured

@JourneymanGeek Android actually defaults to an insecure AP :\

Journeyman Geek

anyway, we have a cap on maximum per month charges here.

@Bob: oh?

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@Psycogeek: I almost forgot you!!! :D

1:27 PM

@JourneymanGeek Small dogs behave badly, like short men: study

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I wouldn't use someone elses AP except in an emergency ;p

@Bob: thats sizist.

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@JourneymanGeek And looks like you wear a cat hat... Don't dogs hate cats? :D

Journeyman Geek

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut: Its a disguise.

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

heh, it's nice... :)

@Bob amazon.com/Verizon-Jetpack-MHS291L-Hotspot-Wireless/dp/…

battery powered device with similar volume to a smartphone that's folded in half (thicker but not as long) with the sole purpose of sharing cellular data over wifi

Journeyman Geek

1:33 PM

@allquixotic: there's quite a few similar units on the market.

@allquixotic ...I was joking

some mobile hotspots' firmware is based on a non-user-customizable version of Android -- where the lower level base system and middleware and kernel are the same, but the UI layer is a lot more locked down, can't install apps, etc

makes it easy for them to use smartphone LTE radios in them

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

btw, WHO USES WINDOWS 8 here? :D

Journeyman Geek

I do

!!gates

ChatBot John Cavil

1:37 PM

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Waffle's Crazy Peanut

Oh, the chatbot is here,.... Nice :D

chatboth? a Bothan bot? Star Wars?

Journeyman Geek

both chat.

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

Ugh..!!! >_<

Journeyman Geek

lol

guy just pulled out bitcoin out of someone's sock in this show.

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

1:39 PM

@JourneymanGeek: Bitlocker says that it can encrypt USB drives. Is that true? It seems like I can encrypt both of my external HDDs... o_O

Journeyman Geek

sounds plausible

not tried it tho

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

How can it be safe in other PCs?

Journeyman Geek

passcode + they'd also need bitlocker.

they plug it in and it's encrypted so they can't read it

!!xkcd encrypted

ChatBot John Cavil

Actual actual reality: nobody cares about his secrets. (Also, I would be hard-pressed to find that wrench for $5.)

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

1:41 PM

@allquixotic Oh, that's helpful. But, they can format it, right?

Journeyman Geek

sure

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

(sigh)

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut and erase your data, yes, but then they've stolen a drive with valuable data, erased the valuable data, and now all they have is a usable empty flash drive

Journeyman Geek

yup

which is a lot less valuable than a flash drive with unencrypted / decrypted data

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

1:42 PM

@allquixotic But, they've earned a nice Seagate hard drive -_-

Duh, what can I do to prevent others from formatting? :P

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut encryption is to protect the data, not the hardware

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut so? stop getting your stuff stolen and you won't have to care

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut padlock it to something

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@Bob yeah, yeah... I know :D

Journeyman Geek

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut: nothing.

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

1:43 PM

BING!! BING!!! BANG, BANG, BANG ... Subwoofer sound annoys my pleasant time of hearing music. Grr..!!!

Journeyman Geek

lol

someone elses?

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut you know you can turn that off, right?

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

Yeah, I know... But, I wanna get pinged :P

> 25-100% discounts

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

That's complicated :D

1:44 PM

so... free? o.O

then stop using a crazy loud subwoofer

Journeyman Geek

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut: mine has a dial at the back to turn it down

or turn off the pings

or stop complaining... pick one

Journeyman Geek

or turn down the volume just for firefox

yes, that too

1:45 PM

> Atom 230, 2GB RAM, 100GB Disk - $5/mo
* 2GB RAM
* 100GB Disk
* 2TB Bandwidth
* 1 IP Address
* OS: Centos, Ubuntu, Scientific Linux and Fedora
* Gigabit port

this shit...

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@JourneymanGeek Aaaargh..!!! I just have to do something... Once I become a mod, I'll be freezing this room :P

I'm actually rather tempted just to see how fast it runs :P

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

Take my word..!!!!

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut if you become a mod, I'm quitting the SE network

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no offense but there is 0 chance of you ever becoming a mod

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

Oh, why is that? :D

Journeyman Geek

1:46 PM

lol

wait

Atom 230?

wait, I have more chance of becoming a mod D:

...that's the proc in that shitty netbook

Journeyman Geek

er

wtf

Journeyman Geek

1:47 PM

@Bob: those use 100mbps

are they hooking up netbooks as dedi servers now?

Journeyman Geek

so gigabit port is odd

@JourneymanGeek hm?

is Atom 230 a BGA?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: there's a mini itx board for that

1:47 PM

@allquixotic ya

released 2008

@Bob sounds pausible... and profitable

@Bob ok, so it's not like they're just lifting the proc and putting it in another board

oh wait, it was nettop

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@allquixotic: YOU..!!! C'mon, fight with me..!!! :P

netbook was N270

...the 230 is even slower

1:48 PM

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut I'm not going to, sorry... more interested in this dedi offer Bob posted

Journeyman Geek

silentpcreview.com/article865-page1.html

holy shit. nope, not going near that

not interested in the "I want to buy it" sense, but the "wtf" sense

> Status \t End of Life

yep... EOL Atom ftw

how about $5/year instead of $5/mo :P

@allquixotic well it's 2008

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@allquixotic This isn't over... I'll definitely make you quit SE (probably within a few years, at least) :D

1:49 PM

@allquixotic you're pretty much paying for remote storage

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut uh huh.

@Bob and 100 GB isn't all that much...

storage is ridiculously expensive pretty much everywhere >_<

@allquixotic it's basically a dedi with the specs of a VPS

and a shittier CPU, even accounting for sharing on a VPS

also costs more for the provider to run :\

no clue why they'd do it if the operational / ongoing costs are higher

Journeyman Geek

I have one of those around here

they might as well bung those drives into a L5420 or something and sell VPSes running on that

Journeyman Geek

1:51 PM

@Bob: NO WAY IN HELL thats doing gig-e

pci port, no pci-e

@JourneymanGeek o.o

is that a lie, or a damn lie? on the part of the provider

@JourneymanGeek might be a different board

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: unlikely

and on the AMD side:

> HP DL145 Dual Opteron, 2GB RAM, 250GB Disk - $10/mo
* 2 x Opteron 248
* 2GB RAM
* 250GB SATA Disk
* 1 IP Address
* Dedicated Power control (power on/off/reset as required)
* 5TB Bandwidth
* OS: Linux, Windows (you provide the license)
* Gigabit port

1:52 PM

O_o

Journeyman Geek

"you provide the licence" >_>

how would you install it?

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

Duh, you guys are really fast :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

@JourneymanGeek they push the unactivated image and you have to do the WPA?

that's.... a 2003/2004 Opteron

WTF

1:53 PM

arm it for 90 day trial

and a TDP of 89W

why the hell are they even doing this

lol 2003 opterons with basically zero concept of power savings... huge TDP...

you're basically paying their electricity bill

the $10/mo

:P

@allquixotic I wonder if they're virtualising everything and faking the CPU IDs

i guess they are trying to scam people who have no concept of CPU generation evolution or Moore's Law

would make more sense from a business perspective

1:54 PM

"WOW, DUAL OPTERONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! click"

@allquixotic more like they're scamming themselves, if it's only $10/month for that shit

@Bob get one for a month and blue pill it ;p

I can see that backfiring so badly

people buy it => run something => 100% utilisation => power costs skyrocket

@Bob would be awesome to see if they disconnect you for actually utilizing the CPU because of the energy costs :P

then it becomes just like those Ivy / Haswell VPSes

lol

1:57 PM

I know who they're competing against though

next step up:

> HP BL460C Dual X5150, 16GB, 500GB - $20/mo
* 2 x Dual Core 5150 Xeon
* 16GB RAM
* 500GB Disk
* 1 IP Address
* Hardware RAID Controller
* Dedicated KVM (HP Lights Out) with full graphical KVM, virtual media
* Dedicated Power control (power on/off/reset as required)
* 5TB Bandwidth
* OS: Linux, Windows (you provide the license)
* Gigabit port

they're competing against a hosting provider selling timeshare access to the original ENIAC for $20/mo

the upgraded package: PDP11

Heh!

> Dual 6-Core Opteron (12 Cores), 48GB RAM, 2 x 1TB Disk - $150/mo
* Perfect for VPS Providers!
* 48GB RAM
* 2 x 1TB Disk
* 50TB Bandwidth
* /29 Subnet
* OS: Linux, Windows (you provide license), XenServer, VMWare
* Gigabit port

"please allow 6 to 8 weeks for processing received SSH packets"

that's the next one

how much do you want to be they're just virtualising everything? :P

1:58 PM

@Bob probability of the whole thing being "Dual 6-Core Opteron"s with faked CPU IDs?

> Perfect for VPS Providers!

blue pill it...

> Warez, Linkz, X-Share or Torrent sites are prohibited - if you want to run these types of services, please look elsewhere to avoid disappointment.

Blue Pill (software)

Blue Pill is the codename for a rootkit based on x86 virtualization. Blue Pill originally required AMD-V (Pacifica) virtualization support, but was later ported to support Intel VT-x (Vanderpool) as well. It was designed by Joanna Rutkowska and originally demonstrated at the Black Hat Briefings on August 3, 2006, with a reference implementation for the Microsoft Windows Vista kernel. Overview The Blue Pill concept is to trap a running instance of the operating system by starting a thin hypervisor and virtualizing the rest of the machine under it. The previous operating system would still...

@Bob at least they didn't mention H@H

> @TorSnipe not hatred, Debian's ISCSI boot is not working with these units. The Atom servers come with ISCSI disks.

@allquixotic oh yea. I'm still a bit confused why it needs to be explicitly mentioned by so many providers

2:00 PM

iSCSI? something fishy about that

@JourneymanGeek ^

:P

iSCSI is always fishy, except when JourneymanGeek does it on OS/2

then it's just !!toostupid

(and smells like a wet dog)

a different provider:

> Dual Xeon L5520 2.26GHz (Limited Stock)
- 72 GB DDR3 RAM
- 1000 Gig HD
- 10000 Gig B/W @ 100mbps Port
- 4 IPs
- Linux Operating System
- Free Remote reboot
Customer Price : $110/mo (Order Now)
Reseller Price : 10% discount (Order Now @ Reseller Site)

cue flood of cheap VPSes

72 GB of RAM o.O

72GB is pretty ridiculous, even at that price

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@Psycogeek This really works?

2:04 PM

cooling spray? um

yeah, let's just spray our netbook with some kind of liquid, sounds great

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@allquixotic while running*

@allquixotic If you cool down one area, how will you see THM_ reading changed? It is reading for several components.

@Boris_yo i think having the right software to read the data that is accessed via the thermal zone driver thing, would tell you what it belonged to?

> DED Level-1

1 GB RAM
2 x 160 GB Disk
AMD 3700+ CPU
5000 GB Monthly Traffic
1 IP Address
Price - $ 35.99
Order Now

@allquixotic ^ a different provider

where are these people pulling these CPUs from? O.O

that's another 89TDP AMD from 2004

@Bob DotCom bubble burst companies that are still trying to liquidate all their old equipment?

2:09 PM

and who would be stupid enough to pay $36pm for it

filing for chapter 11, years in court, etc

> DED Level-2

2 GB RAM
2 x 160 GB Disks
AMD 3800+ CPU
5000 GB Monthly Traffic
1 IP Address
Price - $ 55.99
Order Now

they just keep going

>
DED Level-3

4 GB RAM
2 x 320 GB Storage
AMD Opteron 1218 (2 cores) CPU
5000 GB Monthly Traffic
1 IP Address
Price - $ 65.99
Order Now

then in 2013: "hundreds of 2004-era systems for $5 each!"

vulture dedi companes: YES!!!!

>
DED Level-4

8 GB RAM
2 x 750 GB Storage
AMD 6000+ X2 (2 cores) CPU
5000 GB Monthly Traffic
1 IP Address
Price - $ 85.99
Order Now

8 gigs of RAM? wow, almost starting to get up to modern laptop levels

2:10 PM

@allquixotic they'd be better off selling to a recycler

@Bob no joke

those procs probably don't even support VT :p

@allquixotic for the low, low price of $85.99

that's a good $15 more than mine...

@Bob they're just trying to scam people apparently -- I can't see in what world that could possibly be a remotely acceptable value proposition

unless it's in Australia

@allquixotic OH

in which case, buy away

2:11 PM

those were under:

> Managed Budget Servers

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

managed. now I get it.

managed == either you pay a f-ton more, or you get 2004-era hardware

I pity the fool who got a job in a DC and has to work with these machines

the managed "service expert" will tell you after about 5 minutes "sorry this system is too weak to do what you want, pay more to upgrade"

@allquixotic Liquidate? Like to sell to return their investment and exit without losses?

@Boris_yo no, like to minimize their losses

2:13 PM

@allquixotic Sorry, your system caught fire. We told you not to run anything too intensive. Now we'll be suing you for damages.

> Premium Dedicated Servers

@Bob but aren't you supposed to be monitoring my system? why didn't you monitor the temperature??? why didn't you tell me it wasn't OK to overclock a 2004 CPU to 5 GHz????

> DED Level-5

12 GB RAM
3 x 1.5 TB Disk
Core i7 975 CPU
5000 GB Monthly Traffic
1 IP Address
Price - $ 109.99
Order Now

@Bob premium in 2009 maybe

@allquixotic why didn't you tell me it wasn't OK to boot an OS????*

i could spend all day laughing at pathetic dedi offers

this is fun

2:15 PM

@allquixotic the christmas sales are out :P

you know what; I wonder what it would take to get this link in front of the eyes of the customers of these dedi providers

they're trying to pass those fossils off as usable machines

their jaws would probably hit the floor

I'm just waiting for the offer of $50pm for a fully managed 80286

!!!undo

!!undo

2:16 PM

!!undo

thanks :)

chat eating messages again :P

thigh thing gets annoying. there's an issue open to remove it

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob unixy would do that

"but we squeeze every last instruction out of your CPU!"

Journeyman Geek

2:17 PM

lol

@allquixotic Is it like fraudulent company who cheated and lost most of their customers tries to liquidate?

@allquixotic I'm sorely tempted

Journeyman Geek

can you even get a 286 on the internet?

just need FTL information transfer first

@JourneymanGeek ebay.com.au/itm/…

>

“Pulled From Working Computers PINS ALL GOOD NO BENT PINS SEE PICTURE.”

pulled from working computers???

Journeyman Geek

lol

2:18 PM

wtf is their definition of "working"?

@Boris_yo no, it's like, the turn of the century/millennium, and there are hundreds of companies that think that making a website is going to make them the next AOL/Excite/whatever, and they all start creating websites, and within a few years they all realize "Aww, we can't make money on the internet because we're dumb", and then they close their offices and a holdings company buys it up as part of the bankruptcy settlement

then the holdings company takes half a decade in court before they start to auction off the assets (server hardware)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: "it beeps once. Ok, its good"

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also, old hardware does last pretty long

@JourneymanGeek It beeps five times. Ok, it's better!

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I'm confused at people using atoms as servers

I bought what's basically the same system for... something like 200 dollars including the case when it was still new

@JourneymanGeek gotta be better than a fricking AMD CPU from 2003 with a TDP of 89W

Journeyman Geek

2:20 PM

lol

i wonder if anyone does NUC based hosting

you'll get more hot air out of that than useful results

Journeyman Geek

lol

@allquixotic: I am tempted to get one :p

@allquixotic So who is liqudating here? Company or holdings company?

Journeyman Geek

but the fact that they are HDMI only is a bit of an issue

2:21 PM

@Boris_yo the original company is long gone; liquidators liquidate

Journeyman Geek

and they arn't horribly cost effective when you add in storage and ram and stuff

"liquidators gonna liquidate" - lol - variation of that meme "haters gonna hate"

@allquixotic Liquidators recoup their losses?

can any body look at this question and vote to reopen it if its worth it : superuser.com/q/689718/241659

@Boris_yo liquidators are basically vultures who sell off stuff from the corpses of companies that failed

2:22 PM

@allquixotic I kinda want one, but at those prices... bleh ebay.com.au/itm/…

office chairs, desks... servers

I'd rather spend the $100 to upgrade that old P4 machine

!!tell 12718497 maybe

ChatBot John Cavil

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I almost said no, except that the prospect of putting something other than an ancient OS on it made it slightly more palatable

2:23 PM

@JourneymanGeek what do you think about this question : superuser.com/q/689718/241659

@allquixotic well, by upgrade I meant keep the case, replace the mobo, CPU, RAM, HDD, etc..

@allquixotic So if I have a company who makes losses and want to close it but come out with reducing losses as much as possible, I am not liquidator but it is company that I sell all mu stuff to? If so, is there a term for original company that wants to do above?

@Ash you have plenty of good answers from veteran users who give technically accurate and useful points. i don't think it needs to be reopened for any more answers. recommend that you accept an answer and leave it closed

@Boris_yo right, you sell the whole company (what's left of it) to the liquidators and they sell it on your behalf

Journeyman Geek

(the size of the NUCs is nice, but all said, I'm spending pretty close to what I'd spend on a 'real' system)

doesn't make sense for the original company to do it, because it only happens when the original company is going out of business

Journeyman Geek

2:25 PM

@Ash: its kinda theoratical

@JourneymanGeek size was actually a constraint in my case because my room is already cluttered enough as it is

and the power efficiency of it is nice

what the chat flag for test1

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: yeah, there's that.

why in the world would anyone flag that

@allquixotic And why is this deal worthwhile for liquidators? Due to my situation where I sell all my stuff for bargain prices?

Journeyman Geek

2:26 PM

maybe its cause I've usually focused on my budget ;p

@Boris_yo the liquidator hopes to sell the stuff at a higher price than they paid the original company to buy out the assets... they auction off most of the stuff

in most cases the company that's going out of business is desperate to recoup some of their losses and they're willing to take a fairly bad deal on it overall

@allquixotic You want to be my liquidator? I have old Pentiums desktops and 2 old laptops? :)

@allquixotic but wait, there's more!

> PLAN - ROOT-1

2GB RAM
2x400 GB DISK
AMD 5600 X2 CPU
10TB TRAFFIC
PRICE $58.99/Month
ORDER NOW

@Boris_yo no... :P

@Bob overpriced... if it were much cheaper it might be ok-ish

oh, that's managed too

2:28 PM

oh!

@allquixotic another 2006 CPU..

$58.99 incl. management could be ok if you are clueless about linux system administration and too afraid to get ~~free managed service~~, ahem, free help from SE (here, Comms Room, SF, etc)

these somehow make the C2Ds look good

@allquixotic ...did I mention 2006 AMD?

Journeyman Geek

If you're clueless, you shouldn't be going with a dedi anyway

@allquixotic And about companies that tried to rule markets after .COM burst? They wanted to sell their stuff and computing equipment however, you did not mention about their websites themselves. Domains like travel.com creditcard. com business.com worth millions...

Journeyman Geek

2:29 PM

hmm

this is seriously neat

@Bob if you need any perspective on truly horrid dedi offerings, just look here :D

Journeyman Geek

damn, I wish I still had a second internet connection

$119/mo for a Core2-era low-end Xeon, 2 GB of DDR2-667, 250 GB HDD, and no managed

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I call that... spare parts ;p

o.O

2:31 PM

@Ash you cant fight progress, if Intel Microsoft and or apple had done this 10 years ago , instead of people saying it was impossible , they would be saying How else Could it be :-) mostly because everything would already be designed around that existing. Raid cards have been protecting thier ram with battery backup for that long, but again everything about the software and hardware was designed to be able to do that. On the mainboard it is not.

@allquixotic so, basically this?

> Basic Server Monthly Price: $99

250 GB HDD
10 TB Bandwidth
2 GB RAM
Core 2 Duo
NO setup fee! Click Here to Order

@Bob yeah, but for an extra $20/mo because Softlayer likes to be expensive. also, 5 TB less bandwidth

@allquixotic I suppose they actually speak English, though?

xbroshost.com/servers.php

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@Bob well, yeah... all their employees are US based AFAIK

that image makes my brain hurt

2:35 PM

I'd rather have Hetzner's "extraordinary cancellation fee" (for some German dialect specific meaning of "extraordinary") than pay double for half the hardware

> Experience The Phoenix Power Of XbrosHost Dedicated Server Now !

The... "Phoenix Power"?

O.O

PHOENIX POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wait WHAT

> Ultimate Server

Bullet 2 X 1.5 TB Hard Disk
Bullet 10 TB Bandwidth
Bullet 16 GB RAM
Bullet AMD Athelon X2

Starting From $200/Per Month

...an AMD desktop chip??

whaaaha?

moving on to a different provider:

> o 34/7/365 Tech Support

hey, look, they can bend time!

@Bob it's OK, their employees are outsourced to Mars (or whatever planet has 34 hour days)

I know what makes Softlayer an inferior provider now.. it was completely obvious but I didn't realize it until I saw XbrosHost

they don't have the Phoenix Power

Hetzner will be ground into dust by the Phoenix Power, it's just a matter of time

> Xeon 3E6500 $110.95 – 35% off Promo Code: winterdedi1
Core 2 Quad Q8200 $124.95 - 35% off Promo Code: winterdedi3
Core i7-2600 $194.95 - 35% off Promo Code: winterdedi6

I... what?

the closest match is the E6500, which is an '08 Pentium...

2:41 PM

to be fair, the i7-2600 is a Sandy Bridge that exists ;p

pricey though

@allquixotic and surprisingly prices so close to a C2Q

2:56 PM

gah. has anyone here used Boson NetSim?

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