Root Access

Journeyman Geek

15:01

wasn't me either

also, the bounty is cause the accepted answer is out of date

allquixotic

I really like your answer to that Q @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: thats probably cause my answer is either what I do (run vms) or what I ought to do (learn to use vagrant ;p)

Mr. I Don't Care

!!sup?

ChatBot John Cavil

@Mr.IDon'tCare That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Journeyman Geek

Not that fond of harrymc's answer cause well, its just... googling...

Mr. I Don't Care

15:03

!!What's your name?

ChatBot John Cavil

@Mr.IDon'tCare That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Journeyman Geek

(didn't downvote him tho, its not sportsmanlike)

Mr. I Don't Care

sigh

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek most of his answers are just googling, if you look at them

and he almost exclusively answers bounty questions to try and farm rep

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I know ;p

Einsteins Grandson

15:03

can I have Java question?

;o)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

allquixotic

I really hate that he tries to game the system like that

Braiam

BOO! I almost only answer bounty here

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: it kinda works tho

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson because you just posted that god damn face, no.

Journeyman Geek

Its not as fun

I like research, but that also means trying out stuff

Einsteins Grandson

15:04

What do you mean? @allquixotic ?

How is it connected?

Journeyman Geek

I like chris' answer too

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek it works for gaining rep, but harry's rep vs. the value of his contribution to the site is greatly disjoint

Einsteins Grandson

I don't know... Maybe there are no programmer here

;o)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: honestly, at this point, I really don't care about rep

;p

and yeah, he's basically powergaming/munchkinning

allquixotic

he's probably just doing it to try and get hired at google, since that seems to be the cool kid way of getting into google these days

but if they actually took a look at how he gets that rep, it's pretty cringe-worthy

he's a professional googler, that's it

Journeyman Geek

15:05

@allquixotic: geeze ;p

google is... external memory for me

like evolt, I used it ages ago, but its not something I use often.

allquixotic

google is useful, but answers that consist of links with a one-sentence description of each, isn't knowledge; that's links

Einsteins Grandson

I am trying to do the HashMap .... Key is gonna be Date and Value is gonna be Object

Is that OK?

I mean is that easy?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: precisely

Einsteins Grandson

;o)))))))))))))))

Journeyman Geek

he needs to go deeper

allquixotic

15:07

@EinsteinsGrandson what exactly are you asking? is it valid syntax? type it into your IDE and compile it.

and stop posting that annoying emoticon or I'm going to flag it

Einsteins Grandson

OK, OK.... what is the maximum ) that my emoticons can have?

20?

;o)

allquixotic

just stop. what is your exact question about HashMap<Date, Object>?

Einsteins Grandson

What I am asking is if it is pretty normal to have Date as a key

Mr. I Don't Care

!!define stupid

ChatBot John Cavil

@Mr.IDon'tCare stupid Lacking in intelligence or exhibiting the quality of having been done by someone lacking in intelligence.

allquixotic

15:08

@EinsteinsGrandson you can have anything as a key in a HashMap, except for an integral type

Braiam

> Assertion failed: SUCCEDDED

:/

Mr. I Don't Care

!!define yourself

ChatBot John Cavil

@Mr.IDon'tCare yourself (reflexive) Your own self.

Mr. I Don't Care

No not that!

Einsteins Grandson

OK, so it will order my Objects according to date right?

allquixotic

15:09

@EinsteinsGrandson HashMap doesn't "order" anything

Einsteins Grandson

hm

Mr. I Don't Care

!!define ChatBot

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: is the spelling mistake there too?

ChatBot John Cavil

@Mr.IDon'tCare It means I aint got time to learn your $5 words

Einsteins Grandson

what i am doing is this primitve application

Mr. I Don't Care

15:09

Nice

!!why?

Braiam

ChatBot John Cavil

@Mr.IDon'tCare That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Einsteins Grandson

I have a CSV file with Employees.... ( id, name, sruname, town, position...)

Then I have a CSV file with Airtickets (idTicket, date, from , where, airline, price, id)

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson HashMap just sorts objects into buckets (in an un-ordered fashion) based on the hashCode() of each key, and it determines uniqueness of objects by calling the equals() method on the key

Read the docs

Einsteins Grandson

So each Airticket has one attribute .... id of the Employee who was flying with this ticket

allquixotic

15:11

so if you call map.put(o1, v1); and there already exists an object in the map such that o2.equals(o1), then that call will not insert o1 into the map; instead, it will update the value associated with the o1 key to v1

but it doesn't sort. you'd need to use a SortedMap<K,V> implementation such as TreeMap for that

Einsteins Grandson

And want to create the 3rd CSV file that will put name into first column and then the airticket details in the next few columns...

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Maybe he didn't google hard enough :\

Einsteins Grandson

And I want the airtickets so be ordered according to date

So that 3rd CSV might look like this

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson I'm not going to write your code for you. are you even reading what I'm writing?

Einsteins Grandson

not yet, I am gonna read now.. ;o)

Oliver Salzburg

15:13

@EinsteinsGrandson Why don't you post a question about it on Stack Overflow? ;D

Einsteins Grandson

;o)

Oliver Salzburg

...hilarious

allquixotic

for automatic sorting of the keys, you might want to use TreeMap

Einsteins Grandson

I am thinking about it..... I am banned ?

on StackOverflow?

I think I am

Oliver Salzburg

@EinsteinsGrandson Oh, right!

Einsteins Grandson

15:14

becase I posted some stupid question about bascis of programming 2 years ago

Since then I am banned

;o)

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson You should set your gravatar to this:

2

pretty cool, huh?

Einsteins Grandson

OK, in 10 years I will do it .... I swear!

allquixotic

look at those sharp teeth!

Einsteins Grandson

Can you wait 10 years, please?

;o))))))))))

allquixotic

(if anyone tells him where that's from I'll be very upset)

jokerdino

15:17

@allquixotic hohoho

allquixotic

@jokerdino Merry Christmas. ?

jokerdino

I know where it is from. That's why.

Journeyman Geek

;)

/me had to look it up

Braiam

he'd haz understoz betta if ya haz done "ahahahaha"

jokerdino

I saw it and bam. Instant recognition.

Journeyman Geek

15:19

amusingly, I've mostly stuck around to the kinder/gentler or the totally meaner parts of the web

so never come across it

allquixotic

yet nobody thought it was funny enough to star :( I'm as much of a star powergamer as harrymc is a rep powergamer

5

TY :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

Google application -> CV -> first bullet point -> "Over 9000 stars in Root Access chat"

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I think there have been days when I had the entire wall to myself

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek no doubt. me too. Bob too. we've all had it. but that was intentional

jokerdino

15:21

When you are on a roll, you can whore the whole starboard.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

XD

allquixotic

I rather like having a "diverse" star wall with lots of different people on it

Journeyman Geek

kinda helps that I'm a recovering snarky bastard.

allquixotic

right now the star wall has Hennes, me, JMan, jokerdino, That Brazilian Guy, and Braiam.. not bad

no Bob stars recently tho

lol my phone keeps vibrating -- "DEWD, IT'S RAINING HARD" (areal flood warning, coastal flood advisory, etc etc)

Einsteins Grandson

So the final CSV should look like this

allquixotic

15:24

right now in Maryland it's been raining moderate to heavy rain for about 36 hours straight

Einsteins Grandson

Journeyman Geek

lol

jokerdino

There is this Katrina level hurricane in Bay of Bengal.

Journeyman Geek

what's that have to do with java?

@jokerdino: oh no

jokerdino

That thing went too north for any impact here though.

Journeyman Geek

15:25

we need to have it in Noida ;p

allquixotic

this isn't a hurricane; there's no thunder, no lightning, very little wind, just rain rain rain rain rain rain

Einsteins Grandson

I mean.... I want the airtickets in the CSV to be ordered first by name of the employee... and then by date of the flight

Journeyman Geek

hm

Einsteins Grandson

Each employee is an Object

Journeyman Geek

no no

Einsteins Grandson

15:26

And one of the attributes of the Employee Object is gonna be TreeMap?

Braiam

none of you knows what's a hurricane...

Einsteins Grandson

and in this TreeMap I am gonna have the airtickets?

allquixotic

23

A: Collections.sort with multiple fields

Do you see anything wrong with the code? Yes. Why are you adding the three fields together before you compare them? I would probably do something like this: (assuming the fields are in the order you wish to sort them in) @Override public int compare(final Report record1, final Report recor...

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: we have java and sumatra to thank for that

allquixotic

that's much simpler

Braiam

15:27

@JourneymanGeek ¬_¬ through I won't argue you

allquixotic

if you're allowed to use third party library dependencies, take a look at Apache Commons Collections

Journeyman Geek

(protip, just cause you managed to get your ass banned on SO, dosen't mean you can't use it)

allquixotic

that can also make things a lot simpler for this type of thing

jokerdino

@Braiam yeah, we call them cyclone

Cyclone Phailin

Very Severe Cyclonic Storm Phailin is a violent tropical cyclone currently threatening the eastern coast of India. Originating from an area of low pressure over the Andaman Sea in early October 2013, Phailin slowly consolidated into a depression on October 8. The depression gained forward momentum and attained gale-force winds on October 9 and was designated as Cyclonic Storm Phailin, becoming the second storm of the season. Phailin is now forecasted to intensify further in the next two days, and make landfall over north Andhra Pradesh and Odisha coasts at peak strength. IMD says that it...

Einsteins Grandson

Haha, I know I can use it

Journeyman Geek

15:28

hm

Odisha is orissa?

Braiam

Hurricane David

Hurricane David was a Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale Cape Verde-type hurricane. The fourth named tropical cyclone, second hurricane, and first major hurricane of the 1979 Atlantic hurricane season, traversed through the Leeward Islands, Greater Antilles, and East Coast of the United States during late August and early September. David was the first hurricane to affect the Lesser Antilles since Hurricane Inez in 1966. With winds of 175 mph (280 km/h), David remains the only Category 5 intensity to make landfall on the Dominican Republic in ...

That Brazilian Guy

!!ping google.com

ChatBot John Cavil

@ThatBrazilianGuy That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Braiam

that beast hit my island

That Brazilian Guy

!!help

ChatBot John Cavil

15:29

@ThatBrazilianGuy github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot/wiki/Interacting-with-the-bot

jokerdino

@Braiam check the wind speed for both of them.

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: remember the big tsunami a few years back?

if not for sumatra, we'd probably have been wiped out.

Its a big if not for, I guess

jokerdino

David:175mph
Phailin: 195mph

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek you mean.... you mean you might have died if not for Sumatra? D:

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: dogs can't swim THAT well.

4

yeah, or at least be VERY soggy

Einsteins Grandson

15:31

How can I get my ban on SO lifted?

;o)))))))))))

I would have to anser like 20 questions right?

Braiam

@jokerdino winds don't kill, rain does

That Brazilian Guy

@EinsteinsGrandson How can you anser like 20 question while banned?

Braiam

we learned that lesson in the caribean

Einsteins Grandson

I can answer question, can't I ?

jokerdino

@Braiam I watched the movie Twister.

Einsteins Grandson

15:33

How then would I be able to get a reward of ban being lifted?

Braiam

> Extreme river flooding resulted in most of the country's 2,000 fatalities.

Journeyman Geek

@EinsteinsGrandson: GOOD answers

and edits

and lots of em

jokerdino

and some more

Einsteins Grandson

can I create new account?

I have 2 PCs

jokerdino

it wont help

Einsteins Grandson

15:33

with 2 IP addresses

It will help

How will they know it's me?

jokerdino

i tell them

Einsteins Grandson

with the second account?

no, You won't

How will you know my second nickname

jokerdino

you will tell us

Journeyman Geek

from the :o))))))))))))

of course

Einsteins Grandson

OK, so I can, right?

fuck... that's true

I will use ((((((((((((((((-:

2

Nobody will recognize me!

allquixotic

15:35

except mods who can see the history of the message you just posted giving it away

Einsteins Grandson

or just ;-) simple...

What do you mean?

allquixotic

if you want to be totally anonymous, just use :)

nobody will ever be able to know it's you, because so many people use :)

Einsteins Grandson

OK, i will use something new

OK, i will use ;)

They will not have a chance to find out it's me, right?

Braiam

... what?

Einsteins Grandson

and I will post only good questions on SO

and will never be banned with this new account !

allquixotic

15:37

make a new email address, then use a VPN to another country, then make a new account, then use ;) or :) as your smiley, and don't use a name that's recognizably similar to your current display name, and you'll be fine

Journeyman Geek

I doubt ;p

Einsteins Grandson

I will only have to earn again my 200 points I achieved on SuperUser

Braiam

@allquixotic btw, what was the most annoying: that the calc crashed or that it did on you?

Einsteins Grandson

;o))))))))))))

jokerdino

@allquixotic you forgot about asking good questions.

Journeyman Geek

15:37

(that said, I suspect people I've run into anywhere on the internet can recognise my smiley ;p )

allquixotic

@Braiam I think it crashed because of VMware, strangely enough

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: or do what I do and rarely ask questions ;)

Einsteins Grandson

OK, i will do that!

allquixotic

@jokerdino well, there's that, but that part isn't a prerequisite of him being able to at least ask a few questions first :)

@JourneymanGeek exactly!

Einsteins Grandson

I hope none of you will make sure I will be banned on SO .... under my new account!

I trust you all!

Journeyman Geek

15:38

And when you do, research first

then try

Einsteins Grandson

;o)

Journeyman Geek

then when you're stuck THEN ask a question

jokerdino

cough

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson we can't, if you don't tell us your account's new name etc

Einsteins Grandson

You can

allquixotic

15:39

and don't make it, like, EinsteinsMother

Journeyman Geek

lol

Einsteins Grandson

You can find out according to style and content of the questions I will put on SO !

allquixotic

the word "Einstein" should not be in there at all

Einsteins Grandson

;o))))))))))))))))))))))

Journeyman Geek

or shrodinger's cat

@EinsteinsGrandson: good reason to work on improving it

Einsteins Grandson

15:39

I will do something like NewtonsBrother

jokerdino

You probably should stop visiting this chat as well. We can very easily join the dots.

Einsteins Grandson

;o)))))))))))))))))))))

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson too easy to recognize

Journeyman Geek

catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

4

@EinsteinsGrandson: read this.

Einsteins Grandson

I am sarcastic !

Braiam

15:40

@EinsteinsGrandson did you really read meta.stackoverflow.com/a/86998/213575 ?

Journeyman Geek

At least twice.

Braiam

@JourneymanGeek is that Jon Skeet's?

Journeyman Geek

naw

eric s raymond

Braiam

no this is msmvps.com/blogs/jon_skeet/archive/2010/08/29/…

allquixotic

I have noticed that, as I become better at solving my own problems, I am more reluctant to give up when I hit a problem, and more willing to try 4 or 5 alternate things before I go asking someone else

Journeyman Geek

15:41

ESR is more general

@allquixotic: precisely

allquixotic

googling, searching SO, searching docs, trying various things, talking to my imaginary rubber ducky, etc

it improves the quality of your thinking, and you're often able to resolve the problem yourself

Einsteins Grandson

I have noticed that, as I become better at solving my own problems, I am more reluctant to give up when I hit a problem, and more willing to try 4 or 5 alternate things before I go asking someone else

What article?

allquixotic

it's extremely hard to teach quality thinking to someone else who is currently not a quality thinker, though

Braiam

I first consult Morpheous, and if he comes with the crappy two pills... I ask someone else...

Einsteins Grandson

You are acting according to?

allquixotic

15:42

@EinsteinsGrandson I didn't say antyhing about an article

Einsteins Grandson

I mean .... where are the rules?

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson rules? rules for what?

Journeyman Geek

@EinsteinsGrandson: common sense !

Einsteins Grandson

as you said.... I started using this rules and my question got better?

That Brazilian Guy

@EinsteinsGrandson Here: Meta Super User

allquixotic

15:43

oh... I see what yo mean

well, reading rules isn't going to make you a better thinker

Journeyman Geek

@EinsteinsGrandson: what's the first thing you do when you have a problem?

allquixotic

you have to learn how to learn first

that's what it all comes down to

Einsteins Grandson

I have noticed that, as I become better at solving my own problems, I am more reluctant to give up when I hit a problem, and more willing to try 4 or 5 alternate things before I go asking someone else

allquixotic

you need to improve the process by which you learn

Einsteins Grandson

So these are the rules?

allquixotic

15:44

don't worry about the rules

Einsteins Grandson

googling, searching SO, searching docs, trying various things, talking to my imaginary rubber ducky, etc

it improves the quality of your thinking, and you're often able to resolve the problem yourself

That Brazilian Guy

Instead of thinking "Who can I ask", think "what can I try"

allquixotic

the rules won't even matter to you, because you'll be following them naturally, if you learn how to learn.

I know that you already have some method in your head for what you do when you have a problem you need to solve

Einsteins Grandson

I know what you mean.... But life is short!

allquixotic

it can be difficult, but I am saying that the best thing for you, is to improve that method, so that you are able to solve things more efficiently

Einsteins Grandson

15:45

You need to solve prolems as soon as possible

And when you ask somebody he/she will help you quickly

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson actually, solving things on your own results in you solving things as soon as possible

it's faster to answer something yourself than wait for someone else to answer it, and that's assuming that someone else wants to answer it

That Brazilian Guy

@EinsteinsGrandson If you learn how to learn, and learn how to solve stuff, you will solve problems faster!

Journeyman Geek

@EinsteinsGrandson: but if you're constantly asking people for fish, they will slap you with a trout. Learn to fish, and you can sit out in your boat all day with beer.

Einsteins Grandson

It will take 10 times less time

Won't it?

Braiam

@EinsteinsGrandson look, when you got a problem you first try to solve it, if it don't work then try again once you run out of ideas, you search for people that had your problem, if still with the problem or somewhere you didn't understood how to solve it then you experiment, if all experiment fails then you ask a question

Journeyman Geek

15:46

@EinsteinsGrandson: but the next 9000 times you do it, you know what to do

or where to look

Einsteins Grandson

The problem is

There is no 90000 times

Journeyman Geek

the problem is you're lazy

allquixotic

building up knowledge, or at least knowing where to find the documentation, will help you accrue knowledge, rather than having to ask someone for it all the time

Journeyman Geek

and not the right way ;p

Braiam

@EinsteinsGrandson the thing is that you must put some effort

That Brazilian Guy

15:47

@EinsteinsGrandson You will have to re-explain the problem to every new person. You only have to explain it to yourself once. You can view the big picture and connect dots that might be hidden to others

Oliver Salzburg

But asking someone else right away is a lot faster!

Thus, it's better :D

Journeyman Geek

You want people to peel your potatos. Some people peel their own potatos. Some of us design our own jet powered potato peelers.

Einsteins Grandson

Only 1 time

Braiam

@EinsteinsGrandson try this rubberduckdebugging.com

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson if you aren't using the knowledge you accrue more than once, then you should probably re-consider why you are learning what you are learning... if, on the other hand, you are learning it because someone else told you that you need to learn it, but you don't intend to ever use it again (university class), you should not be taking that class until you understand that you're going to be using it again in the future

jokerdino

15:48

@OliverSalzburg Please mark it as sarcasm. Not everyone has their brains in their sleeves.

Oliver Salzburg

@jokerdino :D

That Brazilian Guy

Wait, what if @EinsteinsGrandson is just a troll and we're biting his bait?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy I don't believe he's a troll

he is trying to solve problems to do his homework for university

Journeyman Geek

naw, I think he's actually that lazy ;p

jokerdino

@allquixotic The greatest trick the devil ever played.

Oliver Salzburg

15:49

May 22 at 13:42, by Oliver Salzburg

I'm trying to figure out if @EinsteinsGrandson might be a puppet of @Pat. Their trolling style is so similar.

Einsteins Grandson

It looks like I am lazy .... But when I try to solve the problem by myself... it always takes 2 days

too long

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: naw, Pat requires the groinpunch over ip protocol. @EinsteinsGrandson at worst needs faceslap over ip protocol

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg No, I think there are people out there who are really this incompetent, and it isn't trolling, it's just that they were raised with this culture of ask someone else to find the answer, instead of thinking

Journeyman Geek

@EinsteinsGrandson: you're not just learning the solution to the problem

you're learning the process of thinking

and the synthesis of new ideas

Einsteins Grandson

And Yes... I am always learning new things and never using the knowledge again

allquixotic

15:51

there are millions of people worldwide, probably hundreds of millions, who are in some kind of knowledge worker field, but they actually have no idea how to think

2

Einsteins Grandson

Or not that often!

allquixotic

absolutely none

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I blame the educational system

Einsteins Grandson

The only thing that I use constantly over and over again are : languages and mathematics...

Nothing else

Journeyman Geek

I had a classmate go "I have no idea where to start on an assignment"

Einsteins Grandson

15:51

World is changing too quickly...

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek I hear that all the time. ugh

Einsteins Grandson

Especially IT world

Journeyman Geek

I pulled out a pen and started underlining things on the question....

and he apparently achieved some degree of enlightenment ;p

allquixotic

I sit next to a coworker who is basically a help vampire, but I'm trying to subtly educate him on how not to be

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I talk to classmates about processes and tools

Oliver Salzburg

15:52

@allquixotic By telling him to STFU and GTFO?

Journeyman Geek

never answers ;p

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg no, by teaching him my thought processes when I solve problems

he seems to be just smart enough to actually be able to learn from my example of thought processes

he doesn't just learn the answer I give him, but the way i came up with it

the frequency of his questions has been going down slowly but steadily

Einsteins Grandson

what do you teach him?

jokerdino

@allquixotic Yeah, some people are quite reactive to gentle nudges.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: indian? ;p

allquixotic

15:53

@JourneymanGeek USAian

Einsteins Grandson

exactly ?

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson well I walk him through the steps

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: XD

Einsteins Grandson

Of what?

solving waht problems?

Software engineering?

;o)

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic Aiming for spiritual rep points, are you? :P

allquixotic

15:54

@EinsteinsGrandson mostly programming, testing, etc

yeah, almost all of it is software engineering related.

Einsteins Grandson

anyway I need to go solve my problems.... I have to create that NewtonsBrother account on SO

;o)))))))))))))))))

allquixotic

he's a nice guy, like I'm sure you are, but he is learning how to learn

you don't seem to want to. oh well. I tried

I won't try again. not worth the effort. :/

Einsteins Grandson

No, I do

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: thats really something I find tragic

Einsteins Grandson

I will try to apply your advices

Journeyman Geek

15:55

but I learnt to learn cause... I hated school ;p

Einsteins Grandson

;o)

jokerdino

The tragic death of someq.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek my biggest problem with school is time -- the time it takes to solve assignments -- I value my free time greatly, and I'm perfectly fine with spending 8 hours solving a trivial problem for a hobby project or a work assignment, but I just don't care enough about stupid shit assigned at school to spend that time and expend that energy

I'm kinda like Einsteins that way, I guess, because I want to get it done fast, but I end up doing a half-arsed job because I'm lazy / I don't want to devote the time to do it right

but at least I have the methodology in my brain to do my real career work (hobbyist programming and job) competently

Einsteins Grandson

It's just quciker as I said..... I know that it takes me forever to solve the problem by myself.... That's why I try other methods to make it quicker!

But I know you hate me all for that...

;o))))))))))))))

allquixotic

@EinsteinsGrandson I agree, but you would learn so much more if you actually spent the time to solve it yourself

I agree that it's faster to have someone give you the answer, but it's not right in the end... you see, I used to be like you

I know what it's like to be in your shoes

it's annoying, but you have to grin and bear it

I used to be a help vampire -- take the advice from one who's been there -- learn it the hard way and your career will benefit from it

Einsteins Grandson

15:59

anyway, if everybody acts according to this rule,.... the whole stackExchange will cease to exist !!!

Darth Android

@EinsteinsGrandson The "I only need it this once" argument only applies if you've only ever once visited a stack exchange website. The second time you visit, that argument no longer is valid.

Einsteins Grandson

I visit stack exchange.... but I always ask different question !

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek -- that's why I find it tragic, about help vampires, because I know that I used to do that too, and I kinda want to help others become self-sufficient because, on a personal level, someone (or someones) helped me get out of that rut, and I kinda owe society, you know?

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