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@BESW According to 4e, Abeir and Toril have been separate planes for a lot of time. Then the Spellplague happened and mixed the two worlds. Faerun and Matzica are continents of 3.5e Toril (called Abeir-Toril in that edition's manuals), when the Spellplague triggered Matzica got swapped with Returned Abeir (which is the new continent on Toril)

(of course Eberron is not)

I just wanted to tell you that Matzica isn't in the FR either. Or, well, it is (because Abeir is technically FR) but it's even more far away from Faerun, now.

BESW

Yeah, my Maztica references are mostly AD&D, with "Forgotten Realms" emblazoned on the covers.

BESW

11:22 AM

An analysis of the badges and patches on Ace's jacket.

(I put these sci-fi/fantasy links in SF&F's chat, but I re-link them here because it seems like there's actually more interest here than there.)

BESW

11:45 AM

@trogdor The snake-people don't have to be bad guys, just important.

trogdor

mk

they don't have to be bad as a whole anyway

I can't imagine not making at least some of them bad-guys

BESW

Fair enough.

trogdor

but it wouldn't even be a majority of them or anything for sure

Zachiel

12:10 PM

Ah, @Trogdor @BESW, I'd like your opinion too.

17 hours ago, by Zachiel

I'm in the middle of the terrible process known as "deciding which sources we're going to use for my D&D 4e campaign".

Sorry wrong permalink

BESW

@Zachiel There's a lot of useful stuff that's not setting-specific but comes from those settings.

So I'd probably just make it a "run things past me before you get excited about them" ruling.

Zachiel

I know. I'm trying to avoid having too much material to wade through, especially for players who need a lot of time to parse through english sentences - and cutting interesting options out of my game

@BESW Ah, for example no Muls (setting specific) but Three-kreens are ok.

doppelgreener

I am sort of jumping in the middle here but what is the trouble in picking sources?

Is this story sources, or which 4e books to allow, or etc?

Zachiel

Ah the conversation has just begun. It's which 4e material to allow, parsing from everything official that's ever been written for 4e, element by element. Which looks like a huge thing to do.

doppelgreener

Oh, story-wise?

Or mechanically

BESW

12:15 PM

Let me see if I can explain it (and thus see if I know what's going on).

Zachiel

I'd like to ban the mechanically bad comboes, some material that's good but not that essential to the game (like, do I really need the magic items from dragon magazines? Or the rituals from there?)

BESW

Zachiel is starting a 4e campaign. His players are not comfortable in English, but his 4e material is all in English. They are also new to 4e.

Because of this he wants to restrict the amount of mechanic content they need to sift through in order to make their character-building choices.

Zachiel

One of my players. And I'm not familiar with all the material. I'm parsin' through namelists of backgrounds that have appeared on Dragon Magazines, there's really too much of them

BESW

He'd also like to take this opportunity to remove content which is problematic (perhaps the Seeker class) and setting-specific (like the Dark Sun warlock option).

Zachiel

you mean the sorcerer-king powered one?

doppelgreener

12:17 PM

You could easily broadly avoid the dragon magazines and stick to the actual printed tomes, except where it's not obviously broken.

It's up to your players if they want to do a ton of reading and research.

BESW

He's hoping that he can kill two birds with one stone, by significantly reducing the amount of material the group needs to sift through by excising setting-specific content.

@Zachiel Aye.

doppelgreener

Ok, then... tomes and default setting content.

i.e. nothing from Dark Sun or etc

Zachiel

That's what I tought in the beginning, but then I found myself in a 4e play by hangout game and I had to build a sorcerer and... some of the dragon powers scream "You want me"

BESW

I'd suggest you stick to PHB1/2/3, and the "[source] Power" books, and maybe the "Heroes of the [adjective verb]" books.

Zachiel

I racognize that isn't probably going to be a problem for my players as it is for me but it makes me feel unease

doppelgreener

12:19 PM

@Zachiel Well, yeah, otherwise they wouldn't be publishing them.

Zachiel

and the FR books

doppelgreener

S'full of nice stuff. But it's also full of experimental stuff and everything good and bad.

Like the books.

Zachiel

@JonathanHobbs XD rrrright

BESW

Most of the magazine content doesn't hurt, but isn't necessary except for specific builds (like a Conlock) and could be included on a "by-approval" basis.

Zachiel

@BESW Such an heavy stone it is! (I guess I'll accept your filter)

BESW

12:21 PM

If a player wants to do something that the PHB and Power books don't support, you can start looking elsewhere to support their specific build idea.

doppelgreener

@BESW <-- this is how I would handle Magazine content

Zachiel

@BESW I'm really bad at by-approval. Once you tell something is ok it's all "why not mine?" and "oh, please -puppy face- can I?"

doppelgreener

@BESW that seems like a pretty good process

@Zachiel Nope, case by case

And have reasons for approving something

Like, reasons you can measure up against other things. "This is ok, it does not seem horribly OP in the big picture, and you went to all the trouble of looking for it" may be a decent approval reason.

There is no slippery slope unless you allow there to be one

and unless you have nothing you can measure against.

BESW

Also, all "by-case" approvals come with the "and it goes back in the banned bin if it gets out of hand" caveat.

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C. Ross

@BESW I thought that the newer (4e++) stuff was generally regarded as better, I can't recall the name of the new "Core book" though ...

doppelgreener

12:23 PM

The slippery slope happens when you can only measure against the previous thing.

BESW

@C.Ross Essentials?

C. Ross

@JonathanHobbs we have stars for that boss

Zachiel

@JonathanHobbs That's part of the problem. Being pretty new to the system, I don't know which are the reasons for a no. The trouble looking for it could be a guide (and it could also tell me to ban al golden and sky blue options from dragons but... wotc's forums' colors have ...gone*)

wax eagle

@C.Ross heroes of Adjective noun

doppelgreener

@C.Ross Stars aren't equivalent

C. Ross

12:24 PM

@BESW yes, never played with them myself

Zachiel

*-to be read in Joker's voice

BESW

Essentials are... a mixed bag.

Some of it's really tight and solid and awesome.

doppelgreener

@Zachiel Then stick with a set of basic books and stick strictly to them, I guess.

BESW

Some of it's boring and mechanically sound.

doppelgreener

If it's not in those it doesn't exist.

C. Ross

12:25 PM

@JonathanHobbs I thought that was star worthy, but you want to throw out agreement text that has no mechanical benefit go for it ;-)

doppelgreener

And as you and your players get more comfortable, then you can start looking at case-by-case stuff.

BESW

And an unfortunate amount is really cool in concept and really underpowered in execution.

Aaron

GoodMorning.

doppelgreener

@C.Ross Mechanical? This is a conversation :P Stars aren't words

BESW

Yawp.

C. Ross

12:25 PM

@BESW ah, no personal experience, thanks for the insight

@JonathanHobbs '<------ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' isn't words either

doppelgreener

Actually sorry I am busy being slightly irritable tonight so I'll quit it

@C.Ross Yeah I deleted it

BESW

@C.Ross And then there's the defender barbarian. I just don't get that class.

C. Ross

@JonathanHobbs sorry, tone may not be coming through, meant in good fun

wax eagle

@BESW speaking of execution....

executioner is just...disappointing (like all 4e assasssins)

BESW

It's a martial defender that can turn into a primal striker at any point in an encounter, but can't turn back until the encounter's over.

C. Ross

12:27 PM

@BESW that does sound odd, though I've seen things approach that in 3.x

BESW

@waxeagle Including the vampire, which has an assassin-like mode.

C. Ross

@BESW well, not that

Zachiel

@C.Ross Most people who don't like essentials does for this reason: "the game had a really different mechanical feeling than 3.5, with the class chassis being the same for everyone. Psionics are borderline, essentials just steps three years back, betraying the concept of 4e and that I don't like".

Aaron

What did I walk into the middle of?

BESW

@C.Ross Compelling idea, but... ah... what do you do with that?

@Zachiel Really?

wax eagle

12:28 PM

@Aaron a rational discussion of the flaws of essentials?

doppelgreener

@Aaron 4e content discussion. @Zachiel is new to 4e and starting up a 4e game and would like to restrict content for various reasons, but isn't sure in what way to filter the content.

C. Ross

@Zachiel fair

BESW

Because most of the resistance to Essentials I've seen is pretty much the same as the resistance to 4e in the first place: "they made it too simple and took away our interesting choices."

C. Ross

@Zachiel for what it's worth we did pretty well with just PHB1,2,3, back when that was all we had

Aaron

@JonathanHobbs Ah. Thank you.

wax eagle

12:29 PM

tbh we've had good luck with E-class only games

Zachiel

@JonathanHobbs and @Aaron knows how bad I'm a taking this kind of decisions.

C. Ross

I think I still have my PHB 1 and 2 ...

Zachiel

@BESW I tried to edit in a "most people I know" but it was too late.

@C.Ross That was the chassis for my previous game. Then a player asked if he could build a necromancer-oh-pretty-please. It later turned out he wanted a 3.5-like army of minions necromancer (which is not doable in 4e) and he can't even join the game because it's set on the wrong weekday, but the idea of using moar manuals spread to the group.

BESW

I did pretty well with a "everything is legit until I have reason to ban it--do not give me reason" policy.

Zachiel

@BESW that's in great part because it's you. I have problems forewarning the consequences of my actions.

(And no, that's not restriceted to D&D and yes, that's ruining my life)

BESW

12:34 PM

@Zachiel "I don't know what I'm doing. If it turns out something's going wrong I reserve the right to fix it."

But yes, I do recognize that my training in facilitating group efforts of various kinds is useful in my GMing work.

Zachiel

@BESW I guess I'll know when something goes wrong because, like, the monsters never hit or never get to act. And then I'll ask around to realize what's causing it.

BESW

That sounds about right.

Inbar Rose

@Zachiel What kind of self-respecting D&D won't let me build armies of undead minions?

Zachiel

If I can't find it myself

BESW

I've mentioned action/reflection/study/planning before, right?

wax eagle

12:36 PM

@InbarRose one with an incredibly tight action economy

Zachiel

@InbarRose One that lets you build them for free, provided you don't bring them in your tactical battles to take care of enemies in your stead

Inbar Rose

Someone said FREE undead hordes? :)

BESW

I'm not sure 3.5's problem wasn't that it had too much self respect.

Inbar Rose

@BESW That's not what I meant.

Zachiel

@BESW too many negations, parse failed.

Inbar Rose

12:38 PM

Don't use no double negatives?

Zachiel

[snickers]

BESW

@InbarRose I always don't use no negatives.

Inbar Rose

I never don't use none.

doppelgreener

stop it my brain isn't prepared for this

well, continue the other conversation

just don't make my brain crumble under the negatives

wax eagle

@JonathanHobbs my brain is throwing a lack of coffee exception, will be caught as soon as my giant darth vader mug cools.

doppelgreener

12:41 PM

@waxeagle whoa

How giant?

Inbar Rose

doppelgreener

@InbarRose yes it was almost there

Inbar Rose

I was debating posting a more gruesome and bloody explosion but decided against it.

wax eagle

@JonathanHobbs 16ish oz? not sure

actually probably in the 20s

Inbar Rose

Who uses ounces. Jeez. Get with the metric system.

BESW

12:42 PM

My work used to have a lovely Batman mug, but it vanished when the secretary quit suddenly.

Zachiel

@InbarRose that's an asplosion.

wax eagle

it's this one: geekalerts.com/darth-vader-mug

came in a Christmas gift set with some candy or hot chocolate or something.

doppelgreener

Wow that is pretty giant

Here's the critical giant-mug test:

Inbar Rose

@waxeagle First of all. Awesome... Second of all - use the metric system, its the 21st century man, stop measuring based on a hundreds of years old dead kings body.

doppelgreener

Is the drink still warm toward the bottom?

wax eagle

12:45 PM

@JonathanHobbs definitely not which is perfect :)

doppelgreener

@InbarRose Even coffee shops in Australia use oz sometimes! It seems to be A Thing for coffee

Not that I can remember what the 'oz' is for. Those weird suffixes. :(

Inbar Rose

ounces.

doppelgreener

@waxeagle Okay. x)

wax eagle

@InbarRose I'm OK on kg and km but mL I'm still iffy on :)

doppelgreener

@waxeagle Very well. :D

wax eagle

12:46 PM

Vader unfortunately does not seem to actually have been meant for use though :( he started to spider from about day 1

he's still water tight though so he'll stay in service until he cracks through

Inbar Rose

Basically, 1 litre (or liter) of h20 (pure water) is 1kg in mass.

the traditional "cup" measurement is 200 mL. so 5 cups is 1 liter.

wax eagle

@InbarRose doesn't help me relate it to a liquid measurement I understand. I know that.

@InbarRose so a 12oz beer is 300mL? got it.

doppelgreener

@InbarRose Metric cups are 4 to the litre

wax eagle

and a pint is 400mL

Inbar Rose

@JonathanHobbs I said the "traditional" cup.

doppelgreener

12:48 PM

@InbarRose Which one?

wax eagle

ah US cup is 236 mL which is why it's flipping hard to convert :)

Inbar Rose

Well... its easier with ounces

doppelgreener

It is

I haven't seen a place that uses the mL measurement for coffee cup size

Inbar Rose

1 L is about 34 ounces.

doppelgreener

And at least if people all use ounces for measurement, a 12oz is always a 12oz - contrast to the many various sizes "regular" and "large" can be

Inbar Rose

12:51 PM

12oz is like 350 ml

One thing that is very funny about D&D. When translated to the metric system it gets very funny

Because the ratios of feet/pounds/ounces is ingrained into the mechanics.

wax eagle

4e is phrased almost completely in "squares" the units ultimately don't matter :)

doppelgreener

@InbarRose convert into pure centimetres?

BESW

4e gives exactly 0 figs about our "normal" physics.

("Figs" are the SI unit of caring. "F***s" are the Imperial unit.)

(There are 3.79 figs in one f***.)

Zachiel

You mean "Fox" is the Imperial unit [tries a pronounciation pun and runs for his life]

BESW

Well played.

Zachiel

1:05 PM

@waxeagle Back on track, I've heard 3.5e players not turning to 4e becaue counting distance in squares is too wargamey

BESW

I wonder if anyone has ever complained that some D&D edition was "not wargame-like enough."

wax eagle

@Zachiel that's fair. However, it makes really good sense with 4e's ultimate purpose: creating a tight, mechanically balanced tactical combat system

(whether that was the original design goal or not is a moot point)

BESW

Yes, well. I think that goes back to whether role-playing and combat are mutually exclusive.

I think "too wargame-y" is code for "not enough space to role-play."

And that is, first and foremost, the accusation leveled against 4e: it stifles RP.

"Too much like a wargame," "too much like an MMO," "the skill lists are too simplified," "the powers limit what choices I can make," "I can't multiclass properly anymore." It's all "I can't RP the way I used to, so nobody can RP at all."

It's like the fortune cookie joke where you add "...with this fully armed and operational battle station!" to the end of whatever the fortune is.

Zachiel

@BESW That happened. Me, for instance. 3.x is not.

BESW

Add "...and that stops role-playing" to the end of any complaint about a D&D edition.

Zachiel

1:19 PM

@BESW or sometimes it's just "I can't RP the way I used to do", full stop. It usually comes with a "to me" suffix to the aforementioned criticisms.

Tridus

@Zachiel Except that all the distances in 3.5 are multiples of 5, which just happens to be the length of a square. You're still counting in squares, they just slapped a unit on them

(and really, they should have used hexes if they're going to do a grid based tactical combat thing, because squares suck for actual distances.)

BESW

@Tridus And that's the reason 3.5 isn't wargamey, didn't you know?

Because diagonal squares are measured differently, so it's not really grid-based.

Tridus

@BESW Yay, worst of both worlds

Zachiel

@Tridus I know people who mad all sort of mistakes with squares, like "If I push you 10cm, have you entered in the next square?" or "And I, a medium sized human, put myself at the intersection of these 4 squares". Well, map designers who had corridors run half in a square and half in the next are a great part of the confusion.

Discipol

1:34 PM

@Tridus hello, I am here

so i am making a war-like game and my issue is regarding sending soldiers barehanded

do I:

A) have them "magically" spawn some low level default weapon

Tridus

Hi

Discipol

B) have them punch their enemies, in which case: 2 fists or just one

C) not be able to join the army without a weapon of some kind

Tridus

Well, I'd suggest:

D) Don't let them remove their weapon, just swap it for another one, unless they are trained in fighting barehanded.

Discipol

lets say a gun user

Metool

Grant all humanoid units a basic unarmed strike?

Tridus

1:37 PM

If you're talking in an RPG, how many soldiers are going to willingly fight berehanded against guys with weapons? That's pretty suicidal

Discipol

when in need, you will pick up a stick and fight the dragon

Inbar Rose

Unless they are Bruce Lee.

Discipol

hey, smite evil works with a stick!

Tridus

Not in my game they wouldn't. ;)

Inbar Rose

I always saw "smite evil" as somewhat reminisce of a Pimp B*** slapping a prostitute.

Tridus

1:38 PM

improvised weapon that's going to break on a dragons scales, doing nonlethal damage

at that point, the smart person retreats

Inbar Rose

Fight Dragon < Live

Discipol

so a gun user without a gun would only use his low low strength for punching

but he could

he could stay in the front and eat death

to protect glass cannons in the back

Tridus

yes, he could. But it's such a badly suboptimal choice that it's likely an error

Inbar Rose

"no gun" or "no ammo" a gun is a just a very short-strange-stick.

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Discipol

^ wisdom

yes!

he could run out of ammo

and guns cant be melee weapons in my scenario

Inbar Rose

1:40 PM

well thats lame.

What about bayonets?

Tridus

Okay, well if you're in a scenario where you're out of weapons and you also can't run away, then yes, I guess punching would be the last resort

Discipol

from the player's perspective

Inbar Rose

What about gnawing off your own arm to use it as a weapon? (Hey, tough times)

Tridus

but as a player, the only time I"d send one of my people into combat without an equipped weapon is user error

Discipol

would you send low level, cheap units, as cannon fodder in your army?

Tridus

1:41 PM

which is why I wouldn't allow it as a game designer

Inbar Rose

Or better yet, every 5 unarmed soldiers can become 4 soldiers armed with limbs and 1 dead soldier.

Discipol

I like Inbar

Inbar Rose

@Discipol :)

Or a very immobile scout.

Tridus

@Discipol Depends. Do I need to buy time for other units to escape? Am I accomplishing something? Or am I throwing guys at it hoping that they eat enough attacks to hoefully do something?

Discipol

So, would you want to be able to send gear-less low level, cheap units as cannon fodder?

There be glass canons in the back

I want the cannon fodder to buy me 2 rounds till I can shoot

example: load siege engine

Inbar Rose

1:43 PM

Why not send them as cannon fodder... but not to attack with unarmed, when left with no modes of attack they can instead devote themselves to maneuvering tactics to buy themselves time and etc.

BESW

@InbarRose Times are tough.

Inbar Rose

gain bonus to defense and just run around the enemy

Tridus

I'd still say no. Where are you getting all these people that are willing to fight for you with no gear?

Inbar Rose

@BESW At work, no volume.

@Tridus peasants?

slaves?

Discipol

@Tridus: in starcraft you send scouts in suicide

Inbar Rose

1:44 PM

children?

peasant slave children?

Tridus

@Discipol Starcraft isn't an RPG.

BESW

@Tridus I am a vampire cleric with Leadership and Undead Leadership and at-will dominate and rebuke undead. I turn all my followers into vampires who also take the Leadership and Undead Leadership feats and have at-will dominate. If possible, I initiate them into my religion as priests too.

Discipol

you have the role of a cold computer ordering people to their deaths all the time xD

Inbar Rose

I think we are way off track of the initial question.

Alex P

@Discipol Well, do they "magically" spawn wearing clothes?

Inbar Rose

1:46 PM

What exactly is the question?

BESW

There was a question?

Inbar Rose

I think so?

I was enjoying thinking of ways to use cannon fodder too much to notice.

My limb-bearing blood-soaked peasant slave children army will prevail!

Discipol

When you create an unit, you provide materials and a gun and armor, which when it gets created

he has them equipped

Tridus

The original question wsa trying to clarify this question: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/29220/…

Discipol

you can de-equip them

Inbar Rose

1:48 PM

Why?

Discipol

because you can

Alex P

Well, soldiers throughout all of time tend to have tool knives that are at least kinda okay as a fallback. If not actually straight-up useful.

Tridus

@Discipol Why? "Because you can" isn't a logical answer. Why would they stay soldiers if you take away their guns?

Discipol

They have skills ,feats and equivalents

Inbar Rose

@Discipol No, I mean why would you want to?

BESW

1:49 PM

@Tridus Perhaps they're vatclones brainwashed to be suicidally loyal to you?

Inbar Rose

Don't that have basic training? Like.. how to make a makeshift weapon?

Discipol

nay

@besw hi

Tridus

@BESW That's the only explanation I have for this, yeah.

Discipol

but the poket knife is a good solution:

Tridus

It really seems like the answer is just "No, don't let the player do that."

Discipol

1:50 PM

if no weapons equipped, spawn basic low level gun

Inbar Rose

maybe they have handguns?

secondary weapons, you know.. side arms... which you can no unequip

Alex P

In a lot of games with "paper doll" inventories, when you take an item out of a slot, there's a 'shadow' item in that slot. Like a character's clothes. You could just as easily do that with an appropriate "sidearm" item.

Discipol

exactly

how do you paperdoll ammo

Inbar Rose

or, better yet, they all come equipped with slingshots and they pick up rocks. And they can use their pocket knives to make javelins and bows and arrows!

Tridus

In other games where the primary weapon is important, they don't let you put nothing there

You can change weapons to another weapon, but you can't change it to nothing.

Discipol

1:52 PM

what if I have no weapons to change and I want what he has in his hands, to sell

Inbar Rose

But the question still remains, why?

Discipol

why what

Alex P

@Discipol Depends on how many troops you want to manage in game, and how much micro you desire.

Tridus

@Discipol Then it's unfortunate to be you. If you want to sell his stuff, disband the unit.

Alex P

Like, original X-Com had actually clips.

Inbar Rose

1:53 PM

Why would you take the gun from the soldier.

Alex P

Because you were controlling 6-12 guys.

Tridus

But soldiers with no weapons make no sense.

BESW

An infinite army of fungus-men budded from a vat of gamma-irradiated mold and horrifically imprinted with the mind of a single brainwashed soldier who died screaming years ago, sent forth to fight unarmed and unequipped with only the hand-to-hand training of that one poor man to aid them, and then to die, tragically, deep in enemy territory... their fungal spores released upon death and seeded into the enemy soil where they will grow and rise again!

Discipol

^this

3 by 3 grid, one of the units is a "leader" which represents the team

like in Disciples 2

Alex P

@BESW Maybe you should modify the genetic code to give them claw arms or something?

Or acid spew.

And a carapace.

Inbar Rose

1:54 PM

Maybe they have the ability of telekinetic attacks?

BESW

Fungus is too squishy for claws or a carapace.

Alex P

Really we are just making Hydralisks now.

Inbar Rose

Maybe they can detach their fingers and throw them at the enemy?

Joshua Aslan Smith

hello all

BESW

I did consider having their mold spores infiltrate the enemy's sinuses and grow into their brains, creating fungus zombies.

Inbar Rose

1:55 PM

I still like the idea that 5 unarmed soldiers = 4 ~~armed~~ limbed soldiers and 1 immobile scout.

Tridus

@JoshuaAslanSmith hi

Discipol

So lets take a vote

Joshua Aslan Smith

That unarmed, non-monk question got closed as I was writing an answer to it

sadness

Discipol

A) not let the unit enter the army

B) have him punch enemies

C) have his spawn extremely cheap low level gear depending on the unit class.

Inbar Rose

@Discipol Clarify this.

BESW

1:56 PM

D) Fungus clone army.

Inbar Rose

E) cannibalistic savage limb-bearing peasant slave child army.

BESW

@InbarRose I think the Swamp Thing fought those.

Tridus

I see we're in full on serious mode this morning. ;)

Discipol

@InbarRose done

BESW

@Discipol What's the problem you're trying to address?

Tridus

1:58 PM

anyway, A. If you're talking in an RPG, a commander who so carelessly throws his soldiers lives away that they don't even get equipment is going to be one who faces a massive desertion and morale problem. It's a bad idea all arond

BESW

Is it a wealth-management issue?

Discipol

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Q: Would an unarmed ranged or melee character, but not a monk-like character go to battle barehanded?

I am making a game where you build an army and send it to combat. the combat is in Heroes 3 or Disciples 2 style, on a grid and my question revolves around the player equipping gear on a character. Lacking armor is natural if, say, caster or perhaps rogue, but what if he would send an unarmed ch...

Tridus

If you're talking about an RTS instead, then maybe that doesn't matter, but in thta case it's not an RPG question. :)

Joshua Aslan Smith

@discipol I was going to suggest either a completely armored juggernaut type character or basing it on combatives, i.e. real deal military martial arts used to disarm, disable, and kill armored opponents with your hands.

Discipol

he would wear gauntlets in the weapon slots

like diablo 3 monks

Inbar Rose

1:59 PM

Is this game more combat or more RPG oriented?

If its combat orients, I say the soldiers should fight even if unarmed. they would just suck.

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