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12:00 AM

@Robusto the real smart is how he makes them take credit for his blood money. After they took credit for the company. They pretty much deserve it.

Robusto

@RegDwighт Yeah. That was genius. And so it seemed like just a casual flourish the way he dispatched Lydia.

RegDwighт

That's too many levels of smart for my reptile brain.

Robusto

I was glad he got the phone call on Todd's cell: "Is it done?" "It's done." "Is he dead" "He's dead." And then: "You feeling a little under the weather, Lydia?"

RegDwighт

@Robusto yeah I took that as a middle finger to all the speculations that it couldn't be Lydia because it was way too obvious and besides he already almost tried it, blah blah.

Robusto

Up till she was fishing in the basket for her Stevia I thought the ricin was going to be for himself.

RegDwighт

12:03 AM

I was firmly in the "no way" camp on that. Too long and painful.

He wants to kill himself, he can run in front of a semi. Or just, I dunno, use the gun.

Robusto

Well, yeah. But Gus had taken poison once on purpose. This show has so many rhyming gestures.

RegDwighт

True, true.

And this episode was no exception to say the least.

Robusto

Tru dat.

RegDwighт

The final shot is like a callback to two separate things. Jesse trying heroin, and Walt in the crawl space in S4E11.

Robusto

All in all, I can safely say this was the Best Show Ever. Up till Sunday night I put it on the same level with The Wire, but fuck that.

RegDwighт

12:05 AM

Hah, I was going to ask.

Robusto

@RegDwighт Yes! My wife and I were talking about that right afterwards.

Except did you notice that in the crawl space he was all boxed in, his world getting smaller and smaller. And at the end of this one he is spread-eagled, off on his free-wheeling journey Across The Universe.

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RegDwighт

Because I keep reading comments left and right that The Wire is much better. I have to say, I watched that one supposedly genious scene where they keep saying "fuck" for three minutes on end, and that sort of spoiled the show for me forever. I just can't take it seriously. That was really, really, really bad.

user87637

Here comes the comic relief.

Robusto

A lot of people don't want to say Walt achieved some redemption at the end, but I think he did. He did what he could for the people who mattered to him, and accepted all the blame and all his punishment.

user87637

Hey @corn any new users got on your nerves again?

Robusto

12:08 AM

@RegDwighт Now, there's nothing wrong with The Wire. It's real, real good shit. But Breaking Bad is a madman.

RegDwighт

Yeah I'm just saying if I'm watching it, I'm not watching it anytime soon.

Robusto

Walt died like a man. I can't say it any plainer than that.

RegDwighт

Also, some of those folks also liked Lost, so...

BTW, it was only last week that I finally figured out what it is about Lost that makes me physically uncomfortable watching it.

Robusto

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In case you needed the reference underscored.

Walter White people who know the difference, this is the show they come to.

user87637

This is the wrong time to come to chat for me.

Robusto

12:12 AM

@RegDwighт Nobody I respect still admits to liking Lost.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@JasperLoy not currently.

RegDwighт

By now I have probably zapped into easily thirty different episodes of Lost, from all seasons. And at all times, they all had one thing in common. The sets look like sets. The costumes look like costumes. Makeup is clearly makeup. The actors are clearly actors. And the camera work is clearly camera work.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

That's network TV for you.

Mass appeal and such.

waves hand outwardly

Robusto

@RegDwighт And the writing is absent.

RegDwighт

I never stayed long enough for the writing.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

12:13 AM

Time for Hobby Blobby.

RegDwighт

As I said, a physical impossibility.

Robusto

@RegDwighт You would have waited a long time. It just wasn't there.

RegDwighт

But people keep saying it was da bomb. Even people who do admit, and not at gunpoint, that Dexter Season 8 was crap.

I mean. Like. I dunno.

Robusto

Vince Gilligan has to feel like a conquering fucking hero. The balls on that motherfucker to make such a show—and on that channel!

@RegDwighт Dexter has been crap for a while. It had possibilities, even in Season 8, but it would have had to go dark and sick. Fucking Boy Scout serial killer. Get the fuck outta here, Dexter.

RegDwighт

From what I've read or heard on his ideas that didn't make it into the show, he's actually one sick fuck. But in a good way. Not like Tarantino. Or perhaps he is. Hard to tell.

@Robusto I dropped out right after Season 4, and I couldn't have been happier, and every single person who watched on keeps telling me how happy I am.

Robusto

12:17 AM

@RegDwighт Here's what I say to Lost and Dexter and all them:

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Right around 1:20

RegDwighт

YouTube is permabroken now.

Robusto

"I offered you a chance when we could have done something and you blew it! You blew it!"

RegDwighт

I have to watch 1:32 worth of commercials before that video, and then the video doesn't run.

Robusto

Fuck. Why don't you get AdBlocker?

Try looking for Cop Land "You blew it"

RegDwighт

I dunno, not visiting YouTube seems like a better solution.

@Robusto I was just going to ask if this was Cop Land.

It's been a while since I last watched it. Like, twelve years.

Robusto

12:19 AM

Great De Niro moment.

RegDwighт

So anyway. Just to finish that thought. Vince actually pitched a whole bunch of Saddamesque ideas. Thank god his writers, and sometimes actually the executives, overruled him.

Robusto

You really ought to get a hold of the New Yorker article on Bryan Cranston. It is very revealing.

RegDwighт

I'm currently catching up on the Rolling Stone interviews with the various cast members.

Robusto

@RegDwighт Yes. And sometimes the network even overruled some shit he wanted to do. And they were right.

RegDwighт

Yeah no shit.

Robusto

12:22 AM

Cranston is probably the real reason the show was so good. He actually overruled the ending they were planning, you know.

RegDwighт

I mean yeah, some of it you can try to excuse by saying he didn't know if he'd be getting more than two seasons, but yeah. No.

@Robusto I am curious about that "alternative ending" that's supposedly to go on the Blu Ray.

Robusto

I don't want an "alternative" ending. I want this ending.

RegDwighт

Last I heard, from Vince no less, it was actually pretty much the same but with a couple scenes they left out.

@Robusto word.

That's what keeps me wondering.

Robusto

Let's have an alternative ending to Hamlet while we're at it.

RegDwighт

Well. Hamlet goes to Belize to cook meth.

I'd watch it.

Now what I'm planning to do in the next few days or likely weeks is catch up on the official podcast. I have yet to listen to a single episode.

Robusto

12:25 AM

There was one quote in the article where Gilligan talks about Cranston, how he wants to do a scene, and Gilligan is arguing with him for a while and then he gets hold of himself and has the good sense to shut the fuck up. He says, "Here I am, trying to tell Walter White what he feels, and he tells me I'm full of shit and he's right. I'm trying to fuck up my own show." Or something like that.

RegDwighт

People keep saying how good it was. And I certainly can't wait to hear what Dave Porter had to say.

@Robusto oh that I read alright.

Robusto

@RegDwighт I don't need any of that other shit. I had the best of what they had to offer. I don't need any mindless prattle to kill my buzz.

RegDwighт

Whatever works for you.

I certainly am not stopping watching Bryan or listening to Vince.

Robusto

Well, I have a very personal relationship with this show. It's just been amazing.

Yeah, I will too. But not for a while.

When I was in Albuquerque last year I stopped in at the Sandia Bar, where they filmed some episodes. Remember where Hank went and beat up the bikers just to prove he still had it?

RegDwighт

I'm not saying I will make it through the podcast start to finish. I'm just saying I heard good things about it, and that good people showed up, like Dave Porter, so yeah.

@Robusto fcourse.

In fact there was an article on Spiegel Online earlier today, on how ABQ copes with all the sudden fame and tourists and souvenir business. Except I didn't read it of course as I was careful about spoilers.

Gotta catch up.

Robusto

12:29 AM

My brother lives there and drinks at that bar, so it wasn't like we were going out of our way. But he's never watched the show.

RegDwighт

Hah.

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