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16:36
@Cerberus I happen to have one, yes.
Well, many people do not.
It is for those poor souls.
16:49
@Cerberus Those souls are already in your domain :-)
You imagine the afterlife as a sitting room without a PC?
Then I have a surprise for you!
Well, they might have a PC, but only a 12" monocrome monitor circa 1987.
Its hell after all.
17:09
@saj14saj delicious, of course
@ElendilTheTall The lemon seems like it would be incongruous but some things you just don't know until you taste them.
Try it now, thank me later
@ElendilTheTall What did you do, use some lemon zest?
yup, 1 lemon to about a pound of pork
Chilli, garlic and oregano
This is toddler friendly? :-)
What kind of chili did you use?
17:12
Just a normal red chilki
Chilli
I don't know what counts as normal for you.... we tend to call every chili by name, except in chili powder which is a blend with other spices, as well.
Well, we don't have that Mexican influence I suppose
Its not a habanero or scotch bonnet, and its not a tiny one like birds eye
Chilis are delicious :-) We must acknowledge their unique characteristics!
We don't have a great deal of variety really
Not in the supermarket anyway
How hot are "regular" chilis?
17:15
It looks like the one here indianbarter.com/rchilli.htm
medium heat
Like jalapeño I would say
I usually remove the seeds and membrane
Interesting.... sounds like a jalapeno or maybe a serrano would work.
Does Baby The Tall eat them with the chili's in?
@SAJ14SAJ Haha, such torture!
@Cerberus The afterlife is not pretty.
Tell me about it.
@saj14saj yes, she likes spiciness
yo yo yo!
@ElendilTheTall Cool, I think that is unusual in small children.
@sourd'oh Hey. How go the mesquite experiments?
I have taught her well
@ElendilTheTall Does she eat the Herb that Shall Not Be Named?
Just the one cake so far, further experimenting next week. Perhaps muffins or scones.
17:27
Mesquite in a cake?
has the world run mad?
@ElendilTheTall hells yeah!
Mesquite flour, not smoke or chips
Mesquake
@ElendilTheTall You should be ashamed of yourself for that!
Never!
I am in my new neighbours' good books, I gave them some of that pain a l'ancienne
@ElendilTheTall That is being a good neighbor!
I think you should just call it Antique Bread... no snooty french :-)
17:31
I had 6 loaves, it would be a sin to throw it out
@ElendilTheTall No freezer?
Lean bread doesnt freeze well
You kind of have to toast it.
besides, that's almost as sinful
I'm in the mood for casatiello
The very opposite of a lean brewd
Bread
@ElendilTheTall I don't know what that is.
17:35
Its a savoury Italian brioche style bread loaded with cheese and salami
@ElendilTheTall You just had a stromboli!
That's different
The cheese and salami is baked in
Along with half a pound of butter
It is unbelievable warm from the oven
@ElendilTheTall Half a pound? Must be hell of a dough to work.
I just bought two frozen pizza doughs from Giant.... one is in the fridge now thawing. If they are even half decent, that would be a really nice convenience.
18:07
So, is anyone getting the new Sansaire home sous vide unit?
@sourd'oh It doesn't exist yet as a marketed item :-)
@SAJ14SAJ Ahh I remember that game!
The idea was fun, but somehow I quit playing very soon.
@Cerberus Are you old enough to remember it?
Yes!
We got it.
But perhaps I was too young to fully understand it.
I had played the first Simcity, though, and a lot.
@SAJ14SAJ it may not exist yet, but I'm getting one. I assure you, I am getting one.
even though as a vegetarian, it may be a bit wasted. I am gonna poach the hell out of some eggs
18:12
@sourd'oh Well... hopefully, they will come through.
If it actually comes out, I would consider it. It makes a lot more sense than a bulky and expensive sous-vide supreme.
Yeah, that is the rub. It looks like it has enough buzz.
Oh, yeah, I like that it is independent of it's container.
Put three of them in your bathtub, and cater your whole school reunion.
I wonder how long one would have to sous vide a thanksgiving turkey?
@sourd'oh Eeew!
Sous vide is not exactly high on the list of things one would want to do to a turkey.
well, you know it would be moist and tender...
I don't know that it would be much of an improvement over a good brine though
18:15
@sourd'oh Maybe it doesn't count if the animals have had a very good life?
@sourd'oh I have moved beyond the brine the last few years. It is a lot of trouble and I dont' see any real benefit. My technque now involves cutting the turkey into quarters, dry salting it a day ahead, and roasting the parts. That way the dark meat and the light meat each get done perfectly.
But if you are a veggo, why would you care? :-)
As both the veggo and the food professional, I frequently end up cooking the turkey anyway.
@sourd'oh hahahaha. What is the point though? The best part of cooking the turkey is when you are carving it and eating the little bits still hot from the oven.
Bleh, not for me.
The best part is making all the stodgy midwestern family members cringe when I tell them that the turkey will be stout glazed/jerked/whatever
@sourd'oh I am a purist for my holiday turkey. I go with S&P, maybe some sage and butter. The value is in the crispy skin which is delicious already. Much more delicious than vegetables!
18:24
pshaw!
I'm usually pretty traditional with everything else though. I tend to make 2 or 3 stuffings of different varieties, that's the highlight for me.
That is a lot of work. The only time I make a second stuffing is when the veggos (my sister) comes. then I make a smaller dish with vegetable broth instead of my homemade turkey stock, and no sausage.
It is a lot of work, but it's the one time annually that I get to subcontract the prep work. Chop those onions, nieces & nephews! Chop!
I take off the whole week, so most of the prep was done the day before.
That is the way to do it.
Unfortunately, that is my busiest week all year. I do get to make stuff at work that I actually intend to serve at home though.
Yeah, I saute the veggies and stuff with the sage and butter, and then stick them in the fridge. On The Day, all I have to do is combine it with the stock and the bread, then pop it into the oven.
18:33
"Hmm, I want to have cheddar cornbread biscuits. Can we push them on any of our clients?"
@sourd'oh If you want to enjoy food, or holidays, or feet that don't hurt, you don't go into food service! I escaped.
Hah, true. It requires a very specific type of insanity.
I will take that as an admission that you are specifically insane :-)
no doubt.
 
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19:42
So I had an eventful jog around town.
First, I saw someone wearing a bicycle helmet!
It was quite extraordinary.
was this helmet wearing person on a bicycle?
@Cerberus Did you compliment them on their extraordinary awareness of safety?
@sourd'oh Yes. Weird, huh?
@SAJ14SAJ I just gaped at him.
@Cerberus That is kind of rude, especially in triplicate.
He must have been a tourist, so what did he know?
But what happened next was also funny.
I was jogging by two women drinking beer in front of some lasergame/bar.
And they shouted at me, as I was passing by, "Go go go go! Go get it, the stick!".
19:57
@Cerberus I am sure they did.
So naturally replied with WROOF!
Apparently, they thought running was for animals.
I am sure they thought so.
But the key question is, did you get the stick?
Alas, they were pulling my leg.
or perhaps the carrot?
@Cerberus Ah, the unfulfilled stick chase gambit. That is quite cruel. In an unrelated note, were any peopel bitten three times that day?
@sourd'oh I don't think you actually answered that question: he wanted to know why the event of separation is the doneness test.
What changes in the curry that causes the oil to separate?
20:15
ahh, ok, I'll edit
or, actually, just delete. Most of the recipes I've seen have called for separating the coconut milk before adding any other ingredients, so I'm not sure what he's getting at
20:36
@sourd'oh If only! I didn't find it.
@SAJ14SAJ Nah I just bark.
has quiche lorraine from Marks & Spencer
@sourd'oh Sorry
@SAJ14SAJ No worries. I was reading it more as "why does this indicate that the coconut milk is ready", but that's not what he meant.
Separating coconut milk?
Never heard of that...
It gives your final dish those delicious brightly colored grease puddles.
Though I don't really understand how it would indicate that anything else in the dish was finished cooking, unless it's just sort of a "traditional" thing.
@sourd'oh I am not expert enough on indian cuisine to say, although now that I type this, I vaguely remember reading an explanation of it somewhere....
20:48
I'm googling and all I can find are explanations of how it "looks finished" and that the fat carries flavors and pigments.
Unless it's something where the ballpark time it takes to happen is used to time the other ingredients
@sourd'oh It had something if I vaguely recall right to do with reaching a temperature that would bloom the spices in teh sauce in order to break the emulsion.
The recipes that he posted basically all call for everything to be cooked before the coconut milk is even added. hrm...
I didn't look at his specific recipes, I will admit. I was going on something I vaguely remember, which I certainly wouldn't post as an answer.
Of course, there may be an element of "because grandma did it that way."
@Cerberus I saw this answer, and thought for sure it would be yours. But no! You have a kindred spirit. Maybe she has three heads....
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A: Term for "will consume time and almost certainly yield nothing"

p.s.w.gIn a word, I'd recommend Sisyphean: Sisyphean (not comparable) Incessant or incessantly recurring, but futile. Sisyphean labors source: wiktionary.org For example: A: I'm going to have one of the developers contact Apple and ask them to add a new feature to Apple Maps....

21:04
@SAJ14SAJ Nice.
I'm not the only person on SE who would use the word Sisyphean, you know...
@Cerberus You might be!
Uhh there is a "Latin SE" proposal with a hundred supporters...
@Cerberus You and your sock puppets!
And those are only the people who deal with the Latin language itself.
Mythology is ten times as popular.
Nay, a thousand times, probably, on SE.
@SAJ14SAJ I have only two of those.
21:24
@Cerberus So you say :-)
@SAJ14SAJ That Egg Board, undoubtedly trying to increase egg consumption with such a short shelf life.
@sourd'oh You can think that... but most trade associations try to represent their products in the best possible light. I did include other references, none of whom are quack conn artists.
I just meant with the Egg Board's recommendation being so much shorter than the others.
@sourd'oh They say a week in the shell. The crux is the OP wants to peel them early.
ahh, ok
yeah, shelled eggs are gonna get wet.
21:32
Personally, I like my eggs scambled, and fresh off the griddle. Hard boiled and cold does nothing for me. They are kind of nasty.
I am baking chicken breasts which I will shred and eat in tortillas for dinner. They are just starting to smell good. Yumm.
Agreed. I can accept hard boiled and cold if they're in a salad, but only if they were boiled correctly and don't have a sulfur ring (which seems to be pretty rare)
I want to get the sous vide circulator almost solely for poaching eggs
IIRC Kenji has a pretty reliable beer cooler poach. Eggs aren't that sensitive, unless you insult them.
I don't remember boiled eggs getting wet in the fridge, to be honest.
I'll have to check that out
@Cerberus If I've had to peel them, I've always stored them on paper towels. But I also never attempted to store them for more than a day or two.
Right.
Did they ever get dry?
Dried-out egg white becomes rubbery...
21:41
He is the one insisting they be dry...
@Cerberus That is my setup... you cannot see the computer, which is on the floor next to the cart holding the SA monitor.
That is why I don't need a Chromething.
I can use the 2nd monitor for Netflix or whatever, or as a 2nd computer monitor. Depending on whether I am working or playing.
The kitty picture was just a bonus since I was playing with the camera.
Haha nice!
Those are big screens!
I am quite pleased with it. The TVs are different brands, so using the remote is not so hard :-)
The receiver is hooked up to the computer audio, or other sources, depending on what I want to listen to.
And I submit most households have random bowls of water on the floor!
Naturally.
So you sit at some distance from the screen?
21:56
Yes, I am about 8 feet back, which is much easier on my eyes. I can keep my glasses on.
Maybe 6 feet. A ways anyway
That's far, 2 m.
Hey, do you happen to know anything about MAC addresses?
I know a lot about MAC addresses.
The screens are 40" diagonally... that is... google... about 100 cm.
Older eyes :-)
Wow.
(We actually use inches for screens, somehow, so you're in luck!)
Admit it, it FELT more real in metric :-) Meter screens :-)
@SAJ14SAJ So do you think there will be any adverse effects if I manage to change my MAC-address on every reboot?
22:01
To what?
Do you have any firewall rules tied to MAC?
To a random one?
No, but I fear for my privacy.
Your MAC is not visible past your router.
The MAC of my phone, I mean.
I'd like to change/spoof it to a different string on ever reboot.
I don't know how the carriers use them, if they use them at all. But it is unlikely to affect anything except your sanity when you discover subtle bugs in the network stack.
Methinks thou dost worry too much.
I don't believe carriers use them at all.
But Wifi does, right?
So could it result in problems connecting to my Wifi?
Or only if the router if programmed to accept only certain MACs?
22:03
Yes, Wifi does.
@SAJ14SAJ The article is pretty scary.
I have another article, about stalking rubbish cans in London, real story.
That is possible, but unlikely. More likely, the AP accepts the MAC when you first connect, dynamically.
What is possible?
I'm sure my router is not configured to accept only certain MAC addresses, if that's what you meant.
You only need the password.
Shops are starting to do it, too.
The thing is, that they don't disclose in that inflamatory article, is that program must be doing more than scanning your MAC and basic Wifi. It must be snooping on a whole lot more stuff, which is a separate and larger issue.
Yes, of course.
And it can't get any data from me beyond my MAC address.
22:08
You are seriously better off just turning off (really off, not standby) your phone when not using it.
But I don't want someone to have my daily route through town in a database.
Or take out its battery if you are paranoid.
@Cerberus The police already do from the myriad cameras that exist in any urban area today.
I have to check my chicken.
At least it's only carriers and spoofing cell towers that can stalk me through my phone's 3G and such. But anyone can pick up my MAC address.
Turn off Wifi.
@SAJ14SAJ Yes, and that is most unfortunate. But at least it's only the police.
@SAJ14SAJ But I want it to automatically connect to networks like my own and my friend's.
22:10
Privacy and convenience are in tension.
I might have to set up a geofence to only turn on Wifi when I am somewhat close to home.
@SAJ14SAJ Well, this particular problem can perhaps be solved if I can automatically randomize/spoof my MAC address.
See?
Chicken!
Its good but I need more spices next time
Yay! You can add spices now.
Its just not the same.
A nice yoghurt-mayonnaise sauce with parsley and a little bit of sugar and mustard?
It should be 80 % yoghurt.
22:23
Too indian... I am going more Tex-Mex.
Well, it wasn't perfect, and I have no idea where I set down the salsa. But on a work to meal ratio, it was pretty good.
Great.
That's what counts.
A tomato sauce could be nice, yes.
I had a perfect tex mex rub once... and I cannot find that recipe to save my life. sigh
And do the cats help? NO
Rub, a dry mixture of spices and seasonings to rub on food, before cooking.
I did my English look for today! I only go for very brief forays.
And something is very wrong with that image.
That is clearly a kitten, so what is the arm doing, where, and to whom, and why is it at such a vastly different scale than the kitten.
22:40
You did your English look?
@SAJ14SAJ *finger
AT English.SE. no more than once a day. They are scary obsessive over there.
Then it is the oddest looking finger.
Ah, I see.
What are they obsessive about?
Everything.
They are probably obsessive about obsession. They probably have a grammar of obsession, and complain when someone deviates.
From the first comment of that article you linked: Android phones already have a feature, at the OS level, to prevent data from being sent outside of a VPN tunnel. The feature is called "Always-on VPN" and is found under Settings -> More (Wireless & Networks) -> VPN. Just open on the triple dot "options" button and you'll find the the Always-on VPN option.
Ah, thanks!
That's a nice tip.
The only thing is that it only works if you have a lock-screen pattern/code/password.
But I can get the same behaviour with AFWall+ if I want...
And I'm not terribly scared of incidental data leaks; I only use public Wifi very rarely anyway, only in the train.
What I want to be protected against is systematic stalking, like through a MAC address if I always have the same address.
I see. leaving your phone at home is 100% effective against all attacks.
It works even better if you remove the battery.
You have to decide what level of inconvenience you are willing to put up with for the benefit you desire...
22:54
...
23:04
Security is like that. We talk about the triangles. One of them is effectiveness - convenience - cost.
Everyone knows that.
You always pick on me for absolute statements like that.
But spoofing your MAC may be a win-win.
Until the same type of company uses facial recognition, which is good enough now that the big casinos in Las Vegas use it to keep their banned people out.
Sooner or later that will hit the cost level for this type of activity.
@SAJ14SAJ Well, what am I to say to something like that?
23:06
The world is not what it was 50 years ago.
I am just suggesting that there are some trends that are really difficult to defend against.
@SAJ14SAJ Yes, but that does not concern my present investigation.
@SAJ14SAJ Another thing that we all know!
@Cerberus Yes, of course, nobody doesn't know that. 100% people in the world, of all societies, ages, and social levels know that.
New things can be invented/used to counter such developments.
@SAJ14SAJ Are you suggesting I don't know that?
I am suggesting that you pick on me every time I make a generalization.
Well, it sounds a bit like a lecture. I know you don't mean it like that, but...
23:09
So it seemed only fair :-)
"It"?
Do you read the user agreement for every piece of software or device that you buy?
Never.
Me neither.
20 years ago I did.
Nor for free things.
23:10
Then I decided there was nothing I could do about it, and I was going to use the stuff any way.
My personal opinion is that these privacy issues are going to fall into the same category.
Ubiquitous communication is just so valuable.
That's the kind of coercion I was talking about yesterday with Jefromi.
I didn't read your later conversations with Jefromi.
But there is a third way.
@SAJ14SAJ That's OK, it wasn't a mépris. How do you say that in English?
I have no idea. I don't know what it means in French, either.
I just said that because it is highly relevant in my discussion with him: I might have @ted him.
23:11
Ah.
I didn't know he worked for Google then.
Google says "mepris" means contempt or disdain, but that is not really making sense in context.
Yeah, I didn't know that either.
Especially since I do think that they have gone evil, the book copyright thing being the specific evidence.
But they are just too valuable!
He seemed unconcerned at the way Google coerces people not only into such "agreements" but in using certain functions of software.
@SAJ14SAJ Yes, it can be contempt, but I meant a swipe, a reproach.
He only sees, and I believe honestly, the earnestness of the front line people, not what the interactions of the different groups with differing goals produces at an organizational level.
Possibly.
I do not pretend to know what's going on there.
23:15
I don't either, not really. But you can observe the behaviors they do as an organization.
Even if they mean well, it's still undesirable.
I agree.
For an organisation to know so much about so many people.
The problem is, corporations are not really accountable anymore. They simply find a home country that will not regulate them in a way that they don't desire.
In a very rough way, its parallel to the fact that there almost no US flagged merchant ships on the oceans, although financially, a great number of them trade with us.
They are all registered in Libreria and places like that which don't hold them accountable to anything.
Sure, that applies to all Western countries.
Although they are still accountable to the extent that they have Western owners.
As to companies fleeing to other countries, it would be easy enough for countries to do something about that. But that rarely do here.
But anything, things like encryption and location spoofing are a great way to resist them.
23:22
They are like dikes against the sea. They might help in a specific place and time, but in the end, the ocean will win.
Haha, no way.
The land wins.
It's fairly easy to raise dikes, you know.
You just have to do it.
I am not sure I see it that way, but that is okay. I still don't read EULAs any more.
Of course not, you don't have enough time!
You know they calculated it would take like 100 hours a year or something to read them all, right?
And, what is more, a lawyer to understand them.
I wonder if there is demand for software that looks for evil things in EULAs.
And even many lawyers will not understand them completely, because they are usually poorly and vaguely worded.
@DavidWallace Possibly...but, you know.
23:26
I mean, you tell the software what sort of things you're not prepared to sign, and it reads the EULA for you, and tells you whether you want to agree to it.
It would be ineffective.
Computers are extremely far removed from understanding natural language.
Since when are EULAs written in natural language?
And, besides, those "contracts" don't hold up in court, at least not here.
@DavidWallace Haha, fair enough. Non-computer language, then.
I suppose you could search for key words.
I think that legalese should be much easier for AI to parse than actual speech.
Possibly, but still way too hard.
Very long and complex sentences.
23:29
Once the software existed, the writers of EULAs would probably try to circumvent it, by writing evil clauses that were designed to escape its attention.
Sure.
They already do so by means of vague wording and such.
No, vague wording is good. Because it's over to the consumer how they interpret it.
The company that makes this software wouldn't want to release it with any sort of "free trial", because then you could run it on its own EULA.
Well, presumably it would have one, right?
Which software?
23:32
The software that greps EULAs for evilness.
Ah.
Well, what if it's David & Wallace, inc.?
Well, that is kind of what I was thinking.
That's definitely an arm, not a finger in that gif. Maybe it's a fully grown, mentally retarded cat, that still behaves like a kitten.
That cat shows all the morphological features of kittenhood.
When I had my own company, our contract was only a couple pages long, and it was written in plain English. I wrote it. I just had our lawyer review it.
@SAJ14SAJ So you think this is a superimposition?
@DavidWallace I don't know what it is.
But it is wierd.
23:39
Maybe the cushion that the kitten is resting on is a long way in front of the cushion that the arm is seen against.
No, not possible. The thickness of the fibres in the cushions matches.
Maybe the kitten is on some kind of support.
@DavidWallace I am not obsessing about it.
I am :-)
@SAJ14SAJ That's great.
@SAJ14SAJ By the way, another thing: Android uses Wifi for location, (along with cell towers and GPS), so I really wouldn't want to have it turned off while I'm out and about. Spoofing the MAC can be a good solution, however.
@Cerberus Have fun with that :-)
?
If it works, it basically solves that problem.
I read about another issue, how your phone automatically probes nearby networks for SSIDs that it has saves (which only makes sense).
Now, if you place this device within range of a phone's Wifi, it will try to match its SSID against the list it has saved, to see whether any SSID is near that it should connect to automatically. And apparently the device can read those attempts, so it will know which SSIDs you have stored.
Which are potentially identifying.
23:56
Some jurisdictions here have enough cameras to take pictures of every license plate with sufficient density to track cars wherever they go. The police cruisers more and more have this technology. Soon the government will know where your car is at all time from visual identification of the license plate. I find that a very chilling idea to freedom of assembly and privacy.
But the only choice is not to have a car.
In 5 or 10 years, facial recognition will be cheap enough and fast enough that it will be ubiquitous and dwarf the car and MAC/SSID issue.
The ocean will win.
Much like the EULA, I don't have the time or energy to rail against it.
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