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4:00 PM
@jeffreylin_ I don't think that's really helping anything.
 
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A: What are the rules of spawning zombie pigmen from nether portals?

Young GuiloThis is straight from the wiki, Player Interaction section: Zombie Pigmen are capable of spawning adjacent to the bottom row of obsidian in the portal frame. Light doesn't interfere and you need 1 block of space around the nether portal. Spawning near or adjacent to a player does NOT affec...

 
I know it's frustrating, but all that's going to do is make him more confrontational and less likely to listen.
 
user43095
@Wipqozn Sorry.
 
@FEichinger Hm, it undid my downvote
 
@Wipqozn He wasn't listening to begin with.
@SaintWacko He deleted it and posted a new one.
As far as I can tell, at least.
 
4:00 PM
"It appears someone was down-voting me." well, there was no question there were downvotes, the question was if they were of the serial variety. Although I find the entry you didn't mention interesting "+16 / -35 7 hours ago 2 events Serial upvoting reversed" — Trent Hawkins 19 hours ago
 
@FEichinger He did.
 
Reposting an answer to shed downvotes is NOT the way to go about it. That's an abuse of the system, and I've flagged this answer to revert it. — fbueckert 27 secs ago
 
@FEichinger Oh, wow, you're right
Geez
 
@fbueckert IT's funny because now he has more downvotes than before.
 
@FEichinger That is the wrong way to do things
 
4:01 PM
@OrigamiRobot Of course it is.
Did you expect any less from him?
 
@FEichinger Indeed, but it's still rude. We should show him the same respect we would like him to show us.
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Rage all you want in here, it's a good place to vent, but when you're talking to him just be a little more respectable.
 
comments purged, answer undeleted
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I was curious about that too
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Or a serial pity upvoter.
 
4:03 PM
@Wipqozn We've done a tremendous job up to this point.
 
user43095
Wonder if we should invite him into the Bridge
 
@FEichinger I agree, but if we've got to the point that we can't engage him without losing our cool it's time that the moderators stepped in and handled it.
 
@GnomeSlice It reads like a promotional thing kind of, but it's better than before still.
 
Handling problematic users the community is unable to deal with is one of the reasons moderators exist.
 
@Wipqozn This should have been dealt with a week ago already.
 
4:04 PM
And it's good for the full wiki to be a little more descriptive.
 
Actually, it should have been dealt with on any of the occasions we discussed this crap before.
It's getting painfully frustrating, because the user just refuses to learn.
No matter what we say or do.
 
While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. — Young Guilo Aug 3 at 16:48
 
@FEichinger I want to star all three of those messages
 
Man this guy is inconsistent, lol.
 
user43095
I'm confused as to how he gained so much rep in so little time to begin with,
 
4:05 PM
@Ullallulloo What's it supposed to be?
 
@jeffreylin_ Post volume.
 
I never even know how to get to tag wikis
 
@jeffreylin_ Sheer quantity and pity upvotes.
 
@jeffreylin_ Tons. And. Tons. Of. Posts.
 
He posts a lot of stuff. since upvotes are worth more than downvotes he only needs to get 1 or 2 to counteract the downvote he gets in post placs.
 
4:05 PM
THIS IS WHY PITY UPVOTING IS BAD PEOPLE
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@OrigamiRobot Don't just assume you know why people vote.
I've upvoted a number of his posts because I see no issue with them.
I definitely haven't upvoted all of them though.
 
@GnomeSlice That's fine, but people will upvote him out of pity.
Pity upvotes happen, just like spite upvotes happen.
Neither are good, but this is a good example of why pity is bad.
 
@GnomeSlice Seeing no problem with them != recognizing quality contributions
 
@GnomeSlice Oh please, you've clearly made a bot to upvote all of his posts. TWICE.
 
user43095
4:06 PM
Please, if you have pity upvoted @Young's posts, reassess that.
 
@fredley Seriously?
 
@fredley god fucking damnit
 
@fredley I hate you so much.
 
:D
 
This is the first time I've fallen for that in months.
 
4:07 PM
@fredley wow.
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@OrigamiRobot Don't tell me how to vote.
 
However, I'll take what I earned and listen to the whole song.
 
@Wipqozn I feel honoured
 
When even @Mana "wow."s, something went wrong.
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@GnomeSlice Uhh...most big games have wikis like Skyrim's, which is what they're supposed to be, I guess. I usually just make short things like this for less popular games.
 
4:07 PM
@GnomeSlice Don't tell me what I'm telling you.
 
user43095
@fredley You took me to my homepage? How nice of you.
 
@fredley What @SaintWacko said
 
Damn, @fredley got me that time. :/
 
@OrigamiRobot FINE
 
guys, guys, calm down.
EVERYTHING IS OKAY.
 
4:08 PM
@Ullallulloo Oh, yeah that looks good.
 
EVERYTHING. IT'S ALL GOOD. IT'S ALL OKAY.
 
@Mana I AM CALM FUCK
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EVERYTHING IS FRIDAY
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PAJDSFJAIODFJADKAJFKAjf YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD
 
4:08 PM
NO WE'RE NOT CALM
 
EVERYTHING IS MOON DUTIES
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@StrixVaria NOOOO MY ONE WEAKNESS
 
I'm going to run out of stars so fast today
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<insert allcaps random everything stuff>
 
4:09 PM
okay but seriously.
 
Well, that escalated Friday
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WTH, I leave the Bridge for 15 minutes and I come back to the Kerbal Space Program launch briefing.
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While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. — Young Guilo Aug 3 at 16:48
 
4:09 PM
@GnomeSlice You're welcome to vote how you want. It's just that most users hold the belief that an upvote should be when something is good, not "this isn't bad." When it's just "this isn't bad" you should just abstain from voting.
 
I haven't looked into the situation with Young Guilo enough to really act on this.
 
@MartinSojka This needs to be immortalized forever
 
it does seem like it has been pretty problematic.
 
4:10 PM
I'm laughing at this "answer". — Young Guilo 38 secs ago
 
I'm laughing at this "answer". — Young Guilo 39 secs ago
 
My ears are bleeding now @fredley. THanks a lot.
 
@Wipqozn I guess that makes sense. Although I skew it more towards voting up if it's 'not bad' when the user in question is a new one.
 
jinx!
 
@TrentHawkins You gorram ninja.
 
4:10 PM
@FEichinger Flagged as rude
 
@FEichinger Flagged as rude
 
@SaintWacko Same.
 
@SaintWacko It's dead already.
 
@GnomeSlice Nice try
 
4:11 PM
@FEichinger Yeah
 
@SaintWacko How come flagging as rude doesn't work in chat.
 
For that matter, he deleted his answer again, apparently.
 
A lot of us flagged it, apparently
 
30k privileges should be to see deleted comments.
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People always tell me I did a Bad Thing when I flag rude chat messages.
 
4:11 PM
 
@GnomeSlice YEah, I tend to be a bit more lenient when voting on new users as well. However, Young Guilio isn't a new user. Being more lenient on him is actually causing more problems than it's solving.
 
@GnomeSlice In chat it's "spam, innapropriate, or offensive", on comments it's "rude or offensive"
 
@Wipqozn Yeah, I wasn't talking about him, but I agree.
 
@Wipqozn This, very much.
 
@GnomeSlice I think that's what the "Flag for moderator" (in the triangle thing) is for
 
4:12 PM
@Unionhawk Oh, is it?
 
Do you lose rep when a comment gets deleted as offensive?
 
I never even noticed that.
 
@GnomeSlice This is because of how differently chat flags are handled.
 
user43095
@SaintWacko no
 
@SaintWacko No.
 
4:12 PM
@SaintWacko Don't think so, no.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Bleh.
 
that's too bad
 
@SaintWacko PING
 
@fredley Everyone else was posting different Friday songs
 
@SaintWacko "flag this comment as unconstructive, offensive, or spam"
 
4:13 PM
@Ullallulloo Unconstructive I guess?
 
Chat is "flag this message as spam, inappropriate, or offensive"
 
@SaintWacko No. Reputation is meant to show your knowledge and contribution to the site. Taking reputation away for being a jerk wouldn't reflect that.
 
rude = offensive
 
@Ullallulloo What?
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah, that seems true too.
 
4:13 PM
@Wipqozn Yeah I would have no rep
 
@SaintWacko That's the comment flag reason if you hover over it.
 
@Wipqozn don't you lose rep when an answer is deleted as offensive/spam?
 
@SaintWacko But answers aren't comments.
 
@Ullallulloo Oh, I didn't look at the hover
 
I can't wait until the school year starts up again and this kid's summer vacation ends.
 
4:14 PM
@StrixVaria Soon.
 
Looks like that video is... backwards...
HAH
 
@GnomeSlice Remind me to get that tonight
 
video is 'inverted'
@SaintWacko Get it tonight.
 
@GnomeSlice -.-
 
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Q: What is a reasonable approach to deal with other arQAde users that seem to be ratting on you?

Young GuiloWhat should I do if I believe users are just saying things to make me look bad? This happened with NoneOfYourBuisness and now it's happening with me. I don't want to delete my account because I want to help people. What should I do?

 
4:15 PM
@StrixVaria He's 16. We're a year away from the eternal september of Young Gulio.
 
@OrigamiRobot I...what? Ratting? Are we back in elementary school?
 
@OrigamiRobot wow, you guys read fast
 
oops, I accidentally got this deleted, although it's a pretty fine answer.
 
4:16 PM
@GnomeSlice It's a short paragraph.
Doesn't take long to read.
 
@OrigamiRobot I... I don't... what... wow
@Ullallulloo How did you do that?
 
@SaintWacko I flagged it.
 
@Ullallulloo Why?
 
@SaintWacko I didn't read it good enough. It looked like spam at first.
 
4:18 PM
@Ullallulloo ah
 
@Ullallulloo ಠ_ಠ
 
> arQAde
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
@StrixVaria Where's that?
 
come to think of it...has our site gotten much coverage on web blogs?
 
@StrixVaria Thanks for fixing
 
4:18 PM
@SaintWacko Title.
 
I feel like we get enough views and what-not that people would be blogging about us
 
@StrixVaria Ah
 
@OrigamiRobot I have my Meta post to post on.
 
@Mana I've come across web blogs talk about us, yeah.
 
@SaintWacko Do you have an IndieGameStand forum account?
 
4:19 PM
@fbueckert And you didn't even have to post it yourself! :D
 
@GnomeSlice nope
 
@Mana I don't really see anything coming up from our name on Google other than stuff people here have made and ggCrhonicles.
 
@fbueckert godspeed
 
@fbueckert Let me get you that deleted post I mention. Also, try to be nice!
 
4:20 PM
@Ullallulloo yeah, and our Facebook group only has 39 likes
 
@Wipqozn Do they talk about me or you? If not, they're obviously not informed enough.
 
which is really weird given how much traffic we have.
 
@Mana Only really see a tournament we sponsored. We sponsored a tournament?
 
@Mana I often forget that thing exists, evn though I'm one of the admins.
 
yeah, a while back for League of Legends. I think we did it twice.
 
4:20 PM
 
@Mana We have a facebook groups?
 
@fbueckert He clearly posted that answer without knowing anything about the game, or bothering to do research at all. I can write up a short blurb for you to include. I also might just post my answer.
 
@fredley STAHP.
 
@fredley What is that?
 
4:21 PM
@SaintWacko Young Guilo
 
@Mana Oooh, that could maybe by fun
 
She somehow has 33,000 followers on G+.
 
@fredley Goodness
 
@SaintWacko YG's youtube account.
 
aw come on dudes, there's going too far and I feel like this is that point
 
4:21 PM
@SaintWacko Did you try the demo?
 
let's not post videos off the guy's video channel to make fun of him.
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@Mana I agree
 
@Wipqozn Same goes for his answer here
 
@Mana Indeed. @fredley... wtf?
 
But I think it's a bot that just scrapes the web for stuff mentioning QR codes.
 
4:22 PM
@Mana Well, he does link to it in his profile. But I agree.
 
@Mana Unttil you made this I thought you were talking about replying to his met about his post quality.
 
@Wipqozn Oh wow, that's really bad
 
@Unionhawk Just thought it was interesting. It's not like it's not linked from his profile.
 
Looks like he just writes an answer and then if he's wrong and gets downvotes, deletes it
That's really breaking the system
 
@Mana Making fun was not the intention, sorry.
 
@GnomeSlice No, I'll probably just buy it
cheap enough
 
@Sconibulus No, that was not fun.
 
@fredley it's alright, no worries
 
@Ullallulloo It took me a while to figure out why we were getting flooded with LoL questions
 
4:25 PM
@Ullallulloo Oh? What happened?
 
@fredley Meh, he's an awkward teenager. He'll grow up. Whatever.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz He's less awkward than 16 year old me by a country mile
 
I think this predated my arrival
 
oh my god that was fast
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@LessPop_MoreFizz I'm still awkward, just not a teenager anymore.
 
4:25 PM
Holy shit @fbueckert. Did you already have that worked on?
 
geez @fbueckert, had you been preparing that?
 
@Mana Putting it on his serial downvoting question.
 
@fbueckert ah
 
@Mana What?
 
Convenient of him to post a brand new question that applies better.
 
4:26 PM
Oh
 
@Sconibulus Floods of horrible LoL questions that were really hard to edit because not that many people speak LoL.
 
@SaintWacko fbueckert's answer
 
@Mana Yeah, realized that after a second :P
 
I suspect a Reversal badge in my future. :P
 
@SaintWacko Not as fast.
 
4:28 PM
@Ullallulloo Ahh... yeah, I can see how that'd be annoying. Too bad the questions were horrible
 
@fbueckert VEry, very nicely done.
That's exactly what I wanted someone to post. You were fair and balanced. You pointed out what he did wrong, and how to improve it, but also made sure to point out some of the things her was doing right.
If I had a hat, I'd take it off to you good sir.
 
@Wipqozn im balanced?
That word does not mean what you think it means
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz DON'T JUDGE ME
 
@Wipqozn I AM JUDGING YOU.
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@Wipqozn That's @fbueckert, always imbalanced, even when fair
slow Sconi is slow...
 
4:29 PM
impartial, maybe?
 
well that nice comment back fired terribly.
@StrixVaria I think you made him quit by editing his title.
 
@Wipqozn Reminds me of NOYB ...
 
@Wipqozn Another user gone from arQAde. :(
 
4:31 PM
@Ullallulloo Not a huge loss.
 
@Wipqozn Shut up
 
@GnomeSlice that package is hardly worth 1m even if you buy everything seperately
 
@GnomeSlice It's not.
 
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Q: What is a reasonable approach to deal with other Arqade users that seem to be ratting on you?

Young GuiloWhat should I do if I believe users are just saying things to make me look bad? This happened with NoneOfYourBuisness and now it's happening with me. I don't want to delete my account because I want to help people. What should I do? I'm done.

 
His post quality was terrible, and he rage quit because we were pointing that out.
 
4:32 PM
@Ullallulloo In all honesty, he did a lot of harm.
 
@GnomeSlice plastic surgery
 
> If a question receives 15 downvotes and no upvotes, chances are pretty high that it's a side effect of a paragraph break.
 
And nowhere near enough to outweigh the good he did.
 
@Wipqozn That would... not be a bad outcome
 
That was joke, btw.
 
4:32 PM
@SaintWacko And spy training!
 
I could think of a few other examples of shoddy answering cough "Have you tried looking at the wiki?" cough, but I suppose the answer containing a laundry list of all his subpar content would be more ranty than helpful.
 
I'm pretty sure he's just reading fbueckert's answer.
 
I'm not going to mourn the loss of a low-quality user who quit the site because he couldn't take criticism.
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> Saints Row IV Super Dangerous Wad Wad Edition
lol
 
@GnomeSlice wanna talk about this on gmail?
 
4:34 PM
@TrentHawkins Oh god, he found out how to community wiki, too?
 
@FEichinger yeah - that one really pushed my buttons last night (still ticks me off)
 
@FEichinger Wait, you can just make your posts community wiki?
 
@GnomeSlice "community wiki" checkbox to the bottom right of the editor box.
 
He... made a post referring to a wiki... community wiki... -_-
 
Let's play Watchdogs ad or NSA slide?
 
4:37 PM
@Coronus I'm not sure if he's evading downvotes or just thought "wiki" means "tick that box" ...
 
Just kidding, if it were an NSA slide it'd look like an 8 year old made it in powerpoint
 
@FEichinger What is the point of doing this?
 
@BenBrocka MASTERSTROKE
 
@GnomeSlice No reputation gain or loss from it.
Or.. wait, what? Does that mean he regained all the rep he lost from that?
That's another clear abuse of the system.
 
4:38 PM
@GnomeSlice I don't like "What is the point of X?" questions, you know?
@Wipqozn Don't think so.
 
Oh, it looks like he did that before posting it./
So that's probably not the case.
 
Is the only point of community wiki so you don't gain or lose rep?
Why would you even want that.
 
@GnomeSlice Community Wiki can be edited by low-rep users without going through the suggested edit queue.
 
It lowers the reputation barrier for editing. The idea is that the content belongs to the community now, and anyone can edit
 
4:40 PM
@GnomeSlice When you're posting answers which are made by the community rather than one user. An answer to a list question would be an example of this. Where the community just keeps editing things in. No one user deserve sthe rep.
 
It's great for time-sensitive posts (Patch-related, etc) that aren't too localized.
 
@Krazer What am I looking at here
 
@Wipqozn As much as I would like to believe he was abusing the system there; "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
 
The usecase was never really fleshed out, and it's kind of obsoleted by suggested edit
 
@Wipqozn I think votes before turning it into a CW still count for the user, btw.
 
4:41 PM
Abuses of Community Wiki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uses of Community Wiki
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@FEichinger Yup
 
2 mins ago, by Wipqozn
So that's probably not the case.
 
@Krazer Oh this is a joke site. Is this actually relevant to what you replied to or did you just want me to see it.
I'm not even American.
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@BenBrocka I wouldn't necessarily say so, but it's definitely a great thing for meta.
Can I be the one to say that the Bridge is moving too fast again, btw?
 
@FEichinger It shouldn't be a thing on Meta either; meta should have suggested edits that are funneled to the review queue on the main site
 
4:42 PM
@GnomeSlice not really, just some amusing NSA goading, like: thiscallwillbemonitored.com
@GnomeSlice the NSA doesn't discriminate, everyone is a potential terrorist!
 
@BenBrocka I beg to differ. Meta posts should be a community collab by nature.
 
@GnomeSlice The NSA was found to be spying on people from all countries.
 
@Krazer wat
 
@FEichinger How does making posts not editable by default make them MORE of a community collab?
 
@GnomeSlice 'murica
 
4:43 PM
 
@FEichinger No, they shouldn't. If anything meta posts should have a high rep requirement for editing.
 
Good, the title is in green
I can vote solely on it without being a hypocrite
 
@Krazer *imagines Opera Winfrey going: "You are a terrorist! And you are a terrorist! And you too, are a terrorist!"*
 
Jin
@OrigamiRobot that's wasis
 
@OrigamiRobot the edit history should be red as well
As well as the close vote count
 
4:46 PM
@Jin Has your hair grown back yet?
 
And the comments should be green. Well some of them.
 
Jin
@OrigamiRobot no... i tried the Super Saiyan Jin powerup move, but all I got was some poop coming out.
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@RonanForman What? No.
 
@PrivatePansy Oprah, you mean?
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah, clarification is often given in them.
 
4:47 PM
Also, the avatar should be green.
 
@RonanForman Then it should be in the question.
 
That's the fastest I've ever gotten a "Nice Answer" badge.
 
Jin
sigh of course you guys had to star that...
 
@Jin But of course!
 
@Jin You're a mod. You can clear stars.
 
4:47 PM
@Jin If you want, I can add another star to it.
 
I starred it before it was cool.
 
And then we can scream mod abuse.
 
@Jin What did you expect?
 
@Jin Then I don't have to listen to anything you say!
 
Spiritbomb mod abuse
 
Jin
4:48 PM
@fbueckert unlike you guys, I don't abuse my mod power!
 
YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE HAIRLESS @JIN
 
@Jin BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Right.
 
@Jin I could pin it if you like.
 
People already clear stars on stuff that they don't like
 
Jin
@LessPop_MoreFizz NO THANK YOU
 
4:48 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Doo eeet!
 
@Jin Unless us guys what?
 
@GnomeSlice Meh, mostly just Kalina did that.
 
@Jin But you want me to right?
 
I'M DYING TO KNOW!
 
Jin
@fbueckert i don't know what you're talking about
 
4:49 PM
@Jin Too late.
 
@RonanForman ♥
 
@Jin MOD ABUSE!
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz ♥
 
@OrigamiRobot ♥
 
@OrigamiRobot Psh.
 
4:50 PM
D:
 
@OrigamiRobot the fact that the tag is in green always confuses me
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I included the tag because mistagging a question can make it unclear. We downvote unclear questions. — OrigamiRobot May 21 at 0:22
 
"How do I beat the last boss?"

"I'm stuck."
 
UPVOTED
TO THE MOOOOOOON
 
@Mana Literally. Mana.
 
4:52 PM
@Mana has moon duties.
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Jin
that guy is hilarious
omg dat thumbnail..
 
ahem
 
@Jin o.ô
 
room topic changed to The Bridge: General gaming chat room, wherein we compare and contrast the relative merits of LASERs and LAZERS and their patented applications in diamond making and cat exercising. [3yo] [canadian-adventures] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [moon-duties] [reconsider-things] [spugsley-house-warming!]
 
@Wipqozn [jin-butts]
 
4:54 PM
STAHP, too many tags, is overflowing
 
room topic changed to The Bridge: General gaming chat room, wherein we compare and contrast the relative merits of LASERs and LAZERS and their patented applications in diamond making and cat exercising. [3yo] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [moon-duties] [spugsley-house-warming!]
 
@PrivatePansy TagOverflow.com
 
@Jin Flat.
 
@PrivatePansy There we go. Removed some older ones.
 
@PrivatePansy There was already a second line
 
4:55 PM
@OrigamiRobot It added a third one on my screen
 
@PrivatePansy Get a wider screen.
 
@FEichinger I have a wider screen; I just keep the browser at around 1100px wide
 
Jin
i don't see [ssj-poop] tag..
 
@Jin [jin-butt-club]
 
Jin
4:56 PM
@FEichinger my butt is flat
 
room topic changed to The Bridge: General gaming chat room, wherein we compare and contrast the relative merits of LASERs and LAZERS and their patented applications in diamond making and cat exercising. [3yo] [jin-poopclub] [lazers] [moon-duties]
 
What
 
Just to be clear: I would not have asked questions if I know where to find the answers. I couldn't care about bounties or reputation. I'm for helping the people. I have a youtube channel with guides and such. I know how to help. When I do it gets downvoted because of "No research". I know the answer. I don't need to research. The question on Dumbfire mode is technically correct since the weapon he was using didn't have that capability. OrigamiRobot is babying the fredley's comment which makes this entire thing seem like a joke. I don't appreciate jokes. -10 on a serious question. Seems legit. — Young Guilo 2 mins ago
 
4:57 PM
@PrivatePansy I already did the combining, I thought. :(
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Hah. 'Duties'.
 
Ah, @LessPop_MoreFizz has beaten me to the punch
 
@GnomeSlice So immature Gnomeslie. You should be more mature like us and laugh at Jin pooping.
 
Jin
FIRST RULE OF JIN'S POOP CLUB, YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT JIN'S POOP CLUB
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4:58 PM
@Wipqozn He really doesn't read, does he?
 
I would be cautious towards replying to that comment.
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Jin
i want to make some funny vine vids... but then i'd need irl friends..
sigh.. what's up with these thumbnails?
 
@Jin That pic is everywhere.
 
Jin
oh for pageview i guess
 
@Mana Yes, I was about to say the same thing.
 
4:59 PM
@Jin Yeah, that.
 
Jin
#SFW btw
 
@Jin cmon man
 
@Jin You're doing that on purpose, aren't you?
 
Jin
@FEichinger i don't get to choose the thumbnail!
 

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