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3:00 PM
@Reg: 12 versions required to go CW
 
Hah! I told you!
I know I read it somewhere.
 
@JSBangs Ich wohnte einmal in Hamburg.
 
11 revs under my name, 12 revs in the edited page… Kind of inconsistent
 
@RegDwight — How about "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party"? Is there a German equivalent for that? Enquiring minds want to know!
 
@Reg: so if I edit it again, will it go CW?
 
3:03 PM
@Vitaly My psychic mod powers tell me that it will never get auto-converted again.
 
Good. :)
 
But of course, there's always @Kosmonaut, who can just merge all of your excellent stuff into his.
You can only avoid that by not mentioning Fahrenheit. At all.
 
OLD.
@JSBangs: teylyn is fighting the good battle, too.
> Grammar is not "bad" or "good". Regional variations follow local rules. Even if these are not reflected in the national standard, and may not even have been formally documented, they are still rules and whoever applies them in the region uses correct grammar for the region. – teylyn 18 hours ago
 
You're old.
 
3:09 PM
I wonder, can I link to private-beta questions?
 
Do minor edits (like capitalising a letter) pop the question back to Active questions?
 
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Q: What do we have to take care of when trying to learn grammar from spoken conversations?

TakkatIn spoken conversations German is sometimes horrifyingly wrong when it comes to grammar. This is even more so in regional dialects when sentences like Das ist der Erich, dem wo seine Frau davongelaufen ist. are perfectly understood and spoken just like above. How do we best prepare to avoi...

 
@RegDwight Yes, I liked this!
 
@Kosmonaut The go upvote that comment.
And the top answer says something similar, too.
 
I just did :)
 
3:09 PM
@RegDwight yes, but clicking on that brings me to a "sorry, ur not kewl enuf" page
 
@RegDwight I am happy that the top comment acknowledges that dialects are proper things.
 
@JSBangs Wow. I am sorry to say, but this must be the final proof that there actually is at least one person who is even less kewl than Kosmonaut.
@Vitaly Yes. Every edit does. Even tag edits.
 
That's рог изобилия then.
 
@Kosmonaut — Yeah, the European translation 232.777778 Celsius didn't sell as well.
 
@Vitaly You mean because you get some reps every time the question gets bumped?
@Robusto I told you already, this is OLD.
 
3:13 PM
@RegDwight Well, views.
 
@Robusto That's what I'm saying!!
 
Apr 5 at 15:08, by Kosmonaut
Not that it was NOT called "Celsius 232.777778"
 
@RegDwight — I didn't know this would be on the test.
 
I figured as much.
 
Anyway, @Cerberus ate my homework.
 
3:15 PM
See, that Commie Kosmo Traitor can't even spell note correctly. Pineapples!!!!!
 
Apr 5 at 15:08, by Kosmonaut
Note that it was NOT called "Celsius 232.777778"
 
See, Kosmonaut, I can tell you made that sneak edit because your gravatar is now the first in the row without you posting anything.
 
How do we know you didn't super-sneak-edit it first to make me look bad?
 
Apr 5 at 15:08, by Kosmonaut
Borshch that it was NOT called "Celsius 232.777778"
@Kosmonaut We know that because there's such thing as message history. Which still tells me that you crap in your sleep sometimes.
 
BTW, have any programmers out there read the dystopian novel 0x7C0?
 
3:18 PM
@RegDwight Well if you *super*-sneak-edit, maybe you are altering the history too! You're Russian after all...
 
I'm not altering that history, I promise. :P
@Robusto Perlen vor die Säue, mein Lieber, Perlen vor die Säue!!
 
@RegDwight — Traurig, aber wahr.
 
@RegDwight I was thinking about posting a comment calling this question out as peeving.
 
@Kosmonaut What disturbs me most is that this is a high-rep user.
 
@Kosmonaut — Make sure you make it a peevish comment. The irony would be, like, teh awesom.
 
3:31 PM
Hey @Kosmo, who is altering history now?
Deleting my stuff, pffft.
 
Haha.
 
Even though we are the only two people in the room who could see it in the first place.
That's how paranoid you are, you bagle eater.
 
If I'm anything, I'm reliably hypocritical.
 
Apr 20 at 18:54, by RegDwight
The rules are unclear and flexible, it seems.
I just got my very first Vox Populi on any site ever. I'm gonna get wasted tonight.
 
I was wondering whether this ought to be CW:
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Q: How many of top 10 favorite British words are understood by, or pass as English among American English speakers?

Yoichi OishiMerriam-Webster Dictionary online shows “Top 10 Favorite British Words”. I’m interested in knowing how many of the listed words are understood or accepted by Americans as English, whichever British English or English slang. The words listed as the top 10 Favorite English are: prat meaning “a s...

 
3:34 PM
Wait, what? It's not silver? Ohhhhhh...
 
It does seem to invite a swathe of "I got 7" comments rather than any terribly definitive answer.
 
@Rhodri On the plus side, there can be exactly ten answers.
 
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Q: What do we have to take care of when trying to learn grammar from spoken conversations?

TakkatIn spoken conversations German is sometimes horrifyingly wrong when it comes to grammar. This is even more so in regional dialects when sentences like Das ist der Erich, dem wo seine Frau davongelaufen ist. are perfectly understood and spoken just like above. How do we best prepare to avoi...

Okay, I commented on this. Let's see if there are any haters.
 
Kit
@RegDwight What's "bagle"? Or is it a misspelling of "bagel"?
 
In this room, it's the other way round.
And has always been.
 
3:37 PM
If you are RegDwight.
 
Yes. Which I happen to be!
 
Kit
@RegDwight I don't think that's quite accurate.
 
@Kit Following Rhodri's schema, it is.
I got one, I got two, I got three,.. through 10.
Not "I got this permutation of three".
 
True. I'm tempted to put place-holder answers in for others to comment on :-)
 
Kit
@RegDwight Fair enough. Retracted.
 
3:39 PM
@Kit But if you are willing to post all permutations, knock yourself out.
 
Kit
@RegDwight Permutation is such a nice word. Way better than combinatorial.
 
We'll have some tea in the mean time. And a life.
 
Kit
@RegDwight I'll write a script. Faster than drinking tea.
 
We'll see about that, New "England" guy.
 
Kit
@RegDwight Done.
 
3:42 PM
See, I was done much faster.
 
No fair. I hadn't even made the tea yet.
 
Rhodri has so much to learn!
 
Kit
@Rhodri I'll give you a second chance. See if you can snatch this teacup from my hand before I finish re-structuring my database tables.
 
I even had some time left to drink a bottle of vodka or two.
 
Garrr.... we are really starting to abuse Google Books ngrams...
 
3:44 PM
@Kit Hahaha! I can drink vodka faster than you can even pronounce "database tables"!
@Kosmonaut Link or we doesn't happening.
 
5
Q: Do we need “about” in “Employees are unhappy with about low wages”?

Yoichi OishiI saw the following lead copy of today’s New York Times (May 24) article titled, “Union Effort Turns Its Focus to Target “ “The retailer's employees are unhappy with about low wages and short workweeks.” I have a simple question. Do we need “about” after "with"? Isn't this redundant?

 
Here's how I envision Google NGrams. With Buzz Lightyear trying to sort them out:
 
There are a lot of scenarios that could lead to "with" and "about" being next to each other.
 
I have at least as many of those aliens in LEGO.
Don't tell my wife.
 
3:47 PM
<makes notes>
 
Not only are there many different scenarios that can bring these words together, but there could be many reasons for one to win over the other even if they were all legitimate
 
Dialing a number
 
It doesn't mean one of the constructions wins out in some absolute way over the other.
 
@Kosmonaut — That's loser talk.
 
3:49 PM
@Robusto Look, I can compare apples and oranges: ngrams.googlelabs.com/…
Looks like I should use apples instead of oranges.
 
I'm sure you can write an upvote-worthy answer.
@Kosmonaut Include that graph, too.
 
@Kosmonaut — Already beat ya to it.
 
@Robusto Hm?
 
May 7 at 12:37, by Robusto
user image
 
You've gotta be kidding me!
You have done it all.
 
3:52 PM
I am so proud.
And the back-story:
May 7 at 12:36, by Robusto
BTW, I'm getting a little tired of all this argumentum ad verecundiam concerning Google NGrams. If you compare apples and oranges, you can make anything look compelling.
 
And then he goes accusing me of quoting stuff.
Pah!
 
@Robusto Good on you. You are speaking my mind.
 
@RegDwight:
1 min ago, by RegDwight
Pah!
 
Are there any free morphologically annotated English corpora (>= 1m words)?
 
Vitaly is obsessed with that one question.
 
3:59 PM
The Bank of English is apparently morphologically annotated as per an old FAQ, but it isn't free
 
@RegDwight — Doesn't LEGO have one of those?
 
Apr 17 at 21:03, by Cerberus
@Vitaly: Hah that is pretty awesome! When it grips you, it grips you. I have that too sometimes. But not with every question on EL&U...
 
@Vitaly I did like the spouse question. My answer will be so complex, I still haven't even started posting it.
@Robusto LEGO has at least two of everything.
But now I gotta go.
CUlaterz.
 
Later @Reg
 
CYA @Reg
@Kosmonaut — Well, great minds ... we're even after I inadvertently appropriated your 232.777778 Celsius.
 
4:15 PM
@Robusto I'm always tempted to continue with the other half of that proverb
 
@Rhodri — Well, in for a penny ...
 
In for a pounding?
 
A pounding saved is a penny earned?
 
Kit
4:35 PM
Ahh, lament! Woe is me! (seeking comforting pats please)
 
You have to earn those around here. You can't just ask for them without producing a suitably sad story.
 
Kit
@Robusto Damn your logic!
 
Hey, I don't make the rules.
 
Kit
Okay, well, it happened like this...
sha-doop
I was constructing my first enterprise level database.
boop-ba-doop
I am -2 weeks from the completion date.
 
OK, enough ... you had me at database. [comforting pats]
 
4:38 PM
wa wa wa
 
And now to lunch! Later.
 
Kit
@Robusto Thank you.
 
 
2 hours later…
6:58 PM
In the following sentence "In [3], an algorithm's count of calls to the basic uniform random number generator is used for
comparison." is the apostrophe correct? I can never keep this straight. And this seems too trivial a question for the forum.
 
it's correct
we have a canonical answer for this
 
@JSBangs : Thanks.
@JSBangs : Excellent. Please reference
 
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A: What is the correct possessive for nouns ending in s?

JSBangsYour example sentences confuse two different problems. For nouns that are plural (such as "boys"), the possessive formed in writing by adding an apostrophe after the plural -s. This is pronounced the same as the plural and the singular possesive: The boys' books [boys' sounds like boys] Fo...

 
Kit
Yipes! (jumping straight up and planting claws in ceiling)
 
@JSBangs : Great, thanks. Reading now.
surprised this is not community wiki
also, there is a typo here. "sometimes for" should be "sometimes form"
SE's annoying edit rules for low reps won't let me change it. can someone oblige? Thanks.
 
7:05 PM
fixed the edit. thanks for pointing that out
 
@JSBangs : Thanks.
I always get it confused with the contraction e.g. "it's" meaning "it is".
 
7:21 PM
Perfect synonyms illustrated: talk (“I want a word with you”) -> word (“I give you my word”) -> promise (“He shows promise”) -> potential (“A potential source of conflict”) -> possible (“It's not possible to check the figures”) -> feasible -> practicable -> realistic (“A realistic portrayal of war”) -> true (“the necessity of true repentance”) -> sincere (“A sincere person”) -> honest (“An honest man”) -> upright (“An upright position”) -> vertical.
2
—using Oxford Concise Thesaurus
Feel free to get from apples to oranges using a thesaurus. Should be easy as pie if you can get from talk to vertical.
 
Kit
@Vitaly Now that's a fun game. But can you get from vertical to Kevin Bacon in six steps or fewer?
 
7:52 PM
What did I miss?
 
@kiamlaluno how long have you been gone
 
@JSBangs Ages, and ages, and ages.
The last time I has been here, I was 1 year old; now I am 41 yo.
 
well, you missed a multi-day discussion of atheology, and then a bunch of @Robusto just being a clown, as usual. plus something about fur bikinis that i haven't have the temerity to look at closely.
also, i finally got the Great Answer badge for the English you/thee question, the first such badge awarded on this site
 
Yeah, I didn't get the bikinis part too.
@JSBangs Congratulations.
Did anybody speak of me?
 
let's see, what else... someone named Boob started showing up in chat and confusing people with her salacious name and userpic which i'm pretty confident does not actually depict her
 
8:01 PM
I prefer to not comment on that. :-)
@JSBangs That is too easy: they use strange nick names when referring to me.
Now that another account has been merged with mine, they could refer to me as Cinkia.
 
@kiamlaluno it's no fun if i just TELL you what the secret name we refer to you by is
 
In that way, I would never find out they are referring to me.
@JSBangs OK; then give me some hints.
 
@kiamlaluno did you really get merged with someone? was the merger correct or an accident or something else?
 
@JSBangs The merger was not correct, but they used some evidence that were not an evidence at all.
I know @Cinque, and it's the reason I have visited the USA in the past 10 years.
 
who is "they" in this instance? the mods of our site, or TPTB of the whole SE network?
 
8:08 PM
The problem is that I connected to SE when I was at her house, and she connected on SE when she was at my house. Plus, at the very beginning, I used her account to vote myself, which got detected from the system (I voted myself 5 times in row).
 
ok, that makes sense
 
@JSBangs They are community coordinators; the accounts have been merged in all SE sites, from one of them.
 
has it been sorted out, or are you still staggering around like a frankensteinian monstrosity stitched together at the waist, begging to be put out of your misery?
 
@JSBangs They asked her the proof of her identity.
Strangely, they didn't ask me anything.
 
is she lower-rep than you?
 
8:11 PM
Anyway, I scanned all my passport, to let them see I am not in USA now. I take a picture of me holding my passport, and a picture of me holding a local newspaper showing the date.
 
@JSBangs Um, you do realize that algorithm doesn't end in an S? :P
 
yes, which is why i was confused by the question
anyway, AFAIK that's the most comprehensive answer we have about possessives
 
@JSBangs Yes, she is. I don't remember her reputation, but even on EL&U she has a lower reputation than me.
4
Q: Bodkins and bodkin - Same word different context?

kiamlalunoDoes bodkins in "odd's bodkins" mean the same as bare bodkin, which appears in Hamlet? (Other than being plural in the first example)

@JSBangs Now, seriously, do you think that is a question I asked?
 
@kiamlaluno heh, no, actually
 
@JSBangs — What's this about me lacking a certain amount of gravitas? @RegDwight never stops being a clown, but I'm the one you single out? You with your noisemakers and such?
 
8:14 PM
But the thing is, kiamlaluno, you should really take this one up with whoever merged you rather than with JSBangs.
 
@JSBangs In fact, that it a question she asked.
 
@RegDwight no, i asked him about it. he's just explaining the situation to me to satisfy my curiosity
 
@JSBangs Ah, my bad, still catching up.
Sorry @kiam/
 
@RegDwight We are just chit-chatting. I am not pretending he will resolve that.
@JSBangs If I gave more details than you cared off, I apologize.
 
@Robusto Um, Robusto, we have established that this is how you look:
May 17 at 13:24, by RegDwight
user image
 
8:16 PM
@kiamlaluno no, you didn't bother me at all
 
Who is the clown now?
 
plus, we all know that Reg is a marxist owl, which is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from a clown
 
@RegDwight — To quote Pulp Fiction for the nth time, "They're your clothes, motherf***er."
 
Absoblumenuntly!
May 17 at 13:26, by RegDwight
"A clown-like, nihilistic psychopath who acts as the game's main antagonist."
 
5
Q: Crispy fried chicken goes limp...picnic disaster!

kiamlalunoI use a simple fried chicken recipe: wash chicken (I use thighs), dredge in seasoned flour, dip in egg with a bit of milk, re-dredge in flour, shake and fry. The dish comes out great on the day I cook it but loses its crunch the next day when I want to take it as part of a picnic lunch. Is there...

Clearly, that is not my style, isn't it?
 
8:18 PM
@kiamlaluno you could have asked that, for all i know.
"style" is a tricky thing
anyway, i believe you and sympathize
 
@JSBangs Thank you for sympathizing. :-)
Somebody thinks me more than I am. My knowledge of English terms doesn't include the culinary terms.
 
It's nearly midnight for you folks.
 
@ThirdIdiot Which folks?
Is there anybody from Greek, here? In that case, they would be close to midnight.
 
0
Q: Origins: "try and" over "try to" — how did we get there from here?

RobustoIn written and standard semi-formal (and above) spoken English, one would use "try to": Try to be a better person. Try to get the fishhook out of my thumb, please. Try to find a pharmacy when you need one. But in spoken English, we (Americans, at least) usually substitute "try and...

Any thoughts from the cognoscenti?
 
@kiamlaluno Round about midnight,eh?
 
8:30 PM
K pipls gotta go.
 
@RegDwight Sleep tight!!
 
@Cerberus: a war is on and I am losing big time.
You still have almost 4 hours to turn the tide.
 
@RegDwight — That's loser talk.
Cya, though.
 
Indeed it is.
I have to chicken out as my deck simply ain't strong enough.
CU!
 
@ThirdIdiot An hour and a half to go to midnight is not what I call "about." In Italy we say "about" when it's 11:45 PM.
Actually, it could be also 11:50, 11:55 PM, but not an hour before.
For crying out loud!
 
8:39 PM
@kiamlaluno Midnight, sir, is at twelve, in Australia. Perhaps, my dear man, you have a different custom, elsewhere?
 
@ThirdIdiot If you say "it's about midnight," then it's not midnight, yet. Am I wrong?
As here it's 10:40 PM, I am a way far from midnight.
 
@kiamlaluno 10:40!
You guys must stay up epic!
I go to bed at eight!
 
10:42:48.
Eight? It's when fun begins.
 
@kiamlaluno I'm sorry, when its your eight, I'm still asleep.
It's six at the moment, nearly time when fun begins!!
 
6 PM?
I thought the difference between Australia's timezone and Italy's timezone were 12 hours.
 
8:48 PM
@kiamlaluno twelve hours from italy
 
@JSBangs Doesn't that mean it takes 12 hours to go to Australia from Italy?
 
yes and yes
to express the difference between two time zones use from
though without context "X is 3 hours from Y" is likely to be interpreted as a reference to travel time
 
This computer is getting on my nerve.
@JSBangs Is the first yes for the time difference between Australia and Italy? :-)
 
yes
sudo yes | kiamlaluno
 
@kiamlaluno 6 A.M
 
8:58 PM
> bash: kiamlaluno: command not found
 
@kiamlaluno It may take longer or shorter to fly from Australia to Italy depending which way you went.
@kiamlaluno i.e. fly west and it takes a shorter period of time, fly east, and it will be longer. Due to rotation of Earth.
 
@ThirdIdiot I was speaking of the time difference between Italy and Australia.
 
@kiamlaluno Approx. 10.30 hrs.
 
@kiamlaluno thanks to you i'm now reading cooking.se and getting hungry
 
@ThirdIdiot So, if I travel to USA, the travel takes less time than the travel from USA to Italy.
 
9:01 PM
@kiamlaluno Yes, you've finally got it!!
@JSBangs Do you have an account?
 
@ThirdIdiot Well, that is wrong.
 
@kiamlaluno How so?
 
@ThirdIdiot yes, but i'm low-rep there
 
OOps! Did I get the thing the wrong way round?
 
When you travel to USA from Italy, the travel lasts one hour more than traveling from USA to Italy.
 
9:02 PM
@JSBangs How low is low?
 
@ThirdIdiot That is because of winds. When you travel from Europe to USA, the winds are on head.
 
@kiamlaluno Depends. If you fly from Rome to N.Y. compared to flying from San Francisco to Rome, or flying from Rome to San Franscisco as opposed to Flying from Pennsylvania to Rome.
 
anyway, i'm out for the night
 
@JSBangs How do you cut and paste like that? I'm 126
 
9:04 PM
@JSBangs Good night.
 
@JSBangs And, I go on the parenting SE
@JSBangs Sleep tight!
 
@ThirdIdiot I compare from Malpensa, Milan to JFK, New York and from JFK, New York to Malpensa, Milan.
It's 10 years I do the same trip, and the trip didn't take less time when going to USA.
 
@kiamlaluno Depends which boat you're taking.
@kiamlaluno I usually take the "H.M.S. Pinafore", how about you?
 
@ThirdIdiot Boat? I go by airplane.
 
@kiamlaluno Why take ten yrs?
@kiamlaluno I spent most of my time in the car that is my picture.
 
9:10 PM
@ThirdIdiot What?
 
@kiamlaluno The car? Beep Beep!!
 
@ThirdIdiot The airplane? !!
 
@kiamlaluno Boeing 747?
 
@ThirdIdiot I don't think.
 
@kiamlaluno The Wright Flyer??!!
@kiamlaluno Falling...falling...bonk! ASLEEEP!!!!!!!!
 
9:27 PM
The Boing 747 is not used for travels from Europe to USA. The airplane I take is a Boing 7xx, but I don't remember the model of the airplane I took each times I traveled.
 
@kiamlaluno Frequent Flyer?
 
@ThirdIdiot I went in USA at least once each year, in the last 10 years; sometimes I went twice.
 
9:41 PM
@kiamlaluno Love travelling. Wish I had more chances.
 
@ThirdIdiot I was used to travel all around Italy when I was younger, and my parents took me in vacation in southern Italy. I guess that helped.
 
@kiamlaluno You're so lucky!
I've only been around the whole of Victoria, that is the state I live in in Australia. I've been to parts of Adelaide, New South Wales, Queensland, and that's it.
 
@ThirdIdiot That depends on the definition of "lucky." :-)
 
@kiamlaluno You didn't enjoy it?
@kiamlaluno Lots of luck. Just bad luck.
 
@ThirdIdiot I enjoyed it, but that doesn't mean I am lucky. So far, I have never won the lottery. ;-)
 
9:50 PM
@ThirdIdiot you remind me of @Cerberus
 
@Boob Yeah, except he has a head only.
 
@kiamlaluno XD
 
@Boob I like Cerberus. Steady Chap
 
@ThirdIdiot Did you get the impression that I hate him (her)?
 
@Cerberus is a him.
I saw Felix the cat falling from the chat. Is that real?
 
9:56 PM
@Boob I had an impression you were laughing behind your hand as you typed.
:)
 
@ThirdIdiot Ambiguous sentence, by the way. I got over 4656465 meanings of it
@kiamlaluno Fear to say
 
I just hope the cat didn't hurt itself.
 
@Boob 4656465? Are you alright?
 
@ThirdIdiot I never giggle, not even when I'm by myself.
@kiamlaluno Let's close our eyes, cross our fingers and wish real hard.
 
@Boob It's very late for you. Maybe you aren't yourself.
 
9:59 PM
@ThirdIdiot Let me check.. Are you?
 
@Boob Only half
 
Better than nothing
 

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