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12:10 PM
@RegDwighт I only got 13 out of 21. Maybe I didn't spend enough time on it.
 
Oh.
Maybe. I would have thought it was even easier for you.
 
I dunno. I don't expect cops to look like soldiers.
 
The helmets and the tanks and everything are so different.
Also, calling these folks "cops" is misleading.
It's obvious that the guy who gives you a speeding ticket won't look like that, not in the US, not anywhere.
 
@RegDwighт These give you a speeding ticket to the brain pan.
 
Someone has to do it!
 
12:16 PM
There's lots of talk about the DHS buying up billions of rounds of ammunition and laundering the purchases through the National Park Service and such.
Police state, here we come.
That's six rounds for every man, woman and child in the U.S. Why do we need that kind of firepower against our own citizens?
 
Well at least they still bother with laundering. You're not quite there yet.
 
> As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.
 
But think of the jobs. Someone has to pay those folks producing them.
 
And Congress can't get paid until the lobbyists do.
 
Give and let give.
 
12:22 PM
Where can I take this quiz?
 
Scroll up to Cerberus's link.
 
Thanks :D
 
Just watch the helmets and the knockknocks and the tanks. They are not cruising around in M1 Abramses in Chicago. Yet.
 
Too much damage to Michigan Avenue. This is capitalist America: you don't want to destroy property, only people.
 
12:26 PM
@Cerberus Oh, I know him already. He is very charming.
 
I give up, I got the first 3 wrong >8(
What good is it to know the difference between the two anyway?
 
What good is it to know the difference between Commander in Chief and a Nobel Peace Prize winner?
 
@KitFox My advertising novel got its first review. See if you agree with it (if you care to).
 
@Robusto hahahaha. That guy is hilarious.
> President Obama has an opportunity, now, to live up to some of his rhetoric
He lost me right there.
 
@RegDwighт I would say Obama's Nobel was premature adulation. Or that the Peace Prize is basically worthless. I mean, Kissinger got one. So did Arafat.
 
12:29 PM
See. He has expectations to live up to.
 
These cop or soldier questions are not that hard.
 
@KitFox that's what I said.
 
Well, they call themselves peace officers, but if you are shot by one it doesn't matter if it was a soldier either.
 
@skullpatrol if you are shot by someone it doesn't matter if it was your granma.
 
True^ guns are bad.
 
12:31 PM
@KitFox post your score. Mine is in the transcript.
 
I've seen National Guard patrolling the streets of Chicago, and it ain't a pretty sight. A round from a Humvee-mounted .50 cal. M2 machine gun would go right through any residential structure in the city. There is literally no place to hide.
 
14 out of 21. I had a run of wrong ones right after I said how easy it was.
 
You beat me.
 
@KitFox yeah there were three ridiculously hard ones in the middle.
 
But mostly you can tell by the helmets, the color of the vehicles, the presence of absence of a full kit, and the "Sheriff" emblazoned on the front.
 
12:35 PM
This is either a mannequin or someone who has no trigger discipline.
 
Soldier.
 
@KitFox stop quoting me.
 
Nothing on the kevlar.
And pro-tip: if they are not hanging off a military helicopter, they are probably cops.
 
All this weaponry is useless against the bomb.
 
And it's not really fair to call SWAT cops. That makes it look like all of our police officers are dressed in assault gear.
 
12:38 PM
@Robusto the 1.6 billion rounds are not gonna shoot themselves.
@KitFox stop quoting me already!
 
@KitFox Well ... who do you think was shutting down the Boston metro area after the Marathon? Officer Friendly?
 
@RegDwighт Well, you stop quoting me!
 
@KitFox it doesn't work like that. I was here first.
 
@Robusto blinks I'm talking about the title of the quiz, Cop or Soldier? There are lots of cops that don't look like soldiers.
 
@KitFox But not these ones. That's the point.
 
12:41 PM
That's too many deja vus for me. I'm off to treat me some soup.
 
But these are the special units. You don't always see them. It's not like they patrol our streets.
 
28 mins ago, by RegDwighт
It's obvious that the guy who gives you a speeding ticket won't look like that, not in the US, not anywhere.
 
I guess I misunderstood the point of the exercise.
 
The point of the exercise, to me, was telling Fallujah from Podunk. There was that one picture where it was frigging hard.
 
If you have to think about whether this is a cop or a soldier, something is very wrong.
 
12:43 PM
The birthday party was a big success. Now I must clean up and feed the boys breakfast.
 
Cop.
 
@Robusto But I don't have to, that's the thing.
Anyways, this one was hard.
This could be literally anywhere.
 
@RegDwighт You didn't get a perfect score on the quiz. So it did give you pause.
 
@Robusto Which is what I thought the point of the exercise was. But they are all special teams, so ... ?
 
12:45 PM
 
@KitFox Not so special. They're becoming ubiquitous.
 
I expect that special teams will be trained rigorously and carry special equipment.
 
@Robusto there are very few quizes on which I get a perfect score. That's why they are quizes.
 
*quizzes
 
If you say so, but I'm not paying taxes to equip our staties with M16s.
They might have them, but they don't bring them to the window when they are writing me a ticket.
 
12:46 PM
Try not paying.
 
My grandfather was at Bikini Atoll. His job was hull degaussing.
 
@Robusto it's a made up word someone coined to win a bet. So the plural is up for grabs.
 
@KitFox Not in your neck of the (back) woods.
 
@RegDwighт *coined to win Scrabble
 
@RegDwighт That means the singular is "up for grab"?
 
12:48 PM
@Robusto yes, which is German for grave.
 
@Robusto Your guys are in full assault gear all the time? What a waste of resources.
Anyway, breakfast.
 
You'd think graves were down, but here's one that's up. It's a quiz!
 
@RegDwighт You would think a Grab would be down, not up. Them crazy Deutschies.
 
You'd think I just said that.
@KitFox actually we're both wrong.
> There is a well-known myth about the word "quiz", which says that in 1791 a Dublin theater owner named James Daly made a bet that he could introduce a word into the language within twenty-four hours. He then went out and hired a group of street urchins to write the word "quiz", which was a nonsense word, on walls around the city of Dublin.
> Within a day, the word was common currency and had acquired a meaning (since no one knew what it meant, everyone thought it was some sort of test) and Daly had some extra cash in his pocket. However, there is no evidence to support the story, and the term was already in use before the alleged bet in 1791
 
You are lesswrong than @Kit.
 
12:54 PM
They went from this
To this
Quite an achievement.
 
It's a zombie Delorean.
 
It's a zombie zombie.
 
NO U.
 
Yeah, no me in the picture. Thankfully.
Seriously though. Have they seen a DeLorean?
 
Delourean (BrE spelling?)
 
12:59 PM
Hello
is anyone here?
 
I don't know. Where is "here"?
 
since you are answering, you are 'here ':)
 
That is neither here nor there.
 
Could you tell me if there are any mistakes in this passage?My Turkish Van cat Marchioness is two years old. She is a very active and lovely cat... but has a stange habit of pushing our second cat from the window sill every time she sees her sitting there. We live on the sixth floor and even though, I always keep the windows closed her behaviour scares me. Could anyone explain why she is doing that?
 
i am here
sounds ok to me
 
1:10 PM
@Monica Misplaced comma in next to last sentence.
Put it after closed, not though.
 
I see
 
You might use one after sixth floor as well.
 
nothing else?
 
Also, a comma instead of an ellipsis.
 
Gods, really.
 
1:12 PM
You could make it less wordy.
 
Well, I'm not getting paid so I'm not going to do a rewrite. Those are a few things that stuck out.
 
Thanks no need to do that, Robusto.
 
What is your purpose?
 
are you asking me?
 
yes
 
1:15 PM
What is your favorite color?
 
@RegDwighт The point of the quiz is that it ought to be easy, and you shouldn't need any clues like deserts. I
 
sorry I didn't get you
 
@Monica What is the purpose of writing this passage?
 
the purpose is to find out why my cat is behaving like this
 
@Cerberus That's what I was saying. @Kit apparently doesn't see the problem.
 
1:17 PM
@Monica Who are you writing it to?
 
I am going to post it on a forum
 
State your purpose in the first sentence: why my cat is behaving like this.
Like an "objective" to a lesson.
The goal is to find out why...
 
OK
Thanks
 
@Monica Does it seem like a reasonable approach to you?
 
@Robusto Of course.
I started by picking "solder" for every picture that I felt ought to be soldiers.
 
1:24 PM
do you mean asking questions on a forum?
 
@Monica I mean structuring the writing the way I'm suggesting.
5 mins ago, by skullpatrol
State your purpose in the first sentence: why my cat is behaving like this.
Rather than your approach: "My Turkish Van cat Marchioness is two years old. She is a very active and lovely cat..."
 
So in my definition of a noun (as is this case, I'll get to verbs and adjectives at some point) you'd suggest animacy and semantics? Or semantics overall? — Vipar yesterday
 
I also thought about writing it the way you suggested, but it's too late now. Once it is posted, it can't be edited
 
Just put the semantic in a definition, and you'll be done.
 
In this context what does "semantics" mean?
2
 
1:48 PM
It means anything related to "meaning".
So it is rather broad.
 
2:08 PM
Has anyone read the book called "The meaning of meaning"?
 
I have not.
Although I think everyone is familiar with similar triangles.
 
:-)
 
2:29 PM
Hi @Cerberus
How do you do?
Are you busy?
 
Hi Sudhir.
We talked about pinging, didn't we?
You don't need to ping people.
 
Yes.
Sorry.
 
Unless there is a specific reason to do so.
OK.
 
I want to bring attention to you that's why pinged.
 
But it is better not to do so.
 
2:35 PM
Ok. I'll take care.
 
Unless you have a specific question. And even then it shouldn't be too frequent.
 
The government gave a gift/ex gratia to the engine driver who averted a major accident.
 
Or if you reply to something someone else said.
Why the slash?
 
more apt
 
"Ex gratia" just means "without being obliged to do so". But you can't replace it wit "a gift".
 
2:36 PM
What will be the better choice?
Ok
Its whether angry with someone OR angry at someone OR angry on someone?
It bites me a lot.
 
Well, the government doesn't normally give "gifts".
 
I'm waiting.
 
So I would say "the government pays the engine driver ex gratia".
Maybe gift might be appropriate in some situations.
@Sudhir With and at are correct. On is not.
 
When to use with and at?
 
There isn't much of a difference.
I would say you can use at with both things and people, but with only with people.
 
2:43 PM
ok
I confess to you is wrong?
I confess you.
How's it?
 
@Sudhir No, it is correct.
 
Which one is correct?
I got confused.
 
Have you clicked on the little grey arrow in my line?
It is immediately to the left of the @.
 
No
 
@Cerberus: do Dutch plurals that are formed using an -s take an apostrophe?
I just read a comment on Reddit that said that and I can't think of examples.
I can only think of plurals that are formed using -en.
 
2:55 PM
@RegDwighт "Plural" isn't relevant for apostrophes: any suffix -s gets an apostrophe if otherwise you would pronounce the word incorrectly.
 
Examples?
And more to the point, examples of words where the apostrophe is not used?
Like, I think the plural of pagina is paginas, not pagina's?
 
So "een natie, twee naties; Martin, Martins (possessive)"; but "een pagina, twee pagina's; Anne, Anne's (poss.)".
 
So complicated!
Stick with English. It is rational.
 
TIL I don't know the first thing about Dutch.
 
In pagina, you want to keep the long a. If you wrote *paginas, you would have to pronounce the a as short, because it's short in a closed syllable. So you add an apostrophe to keep the syllable open. It is only to help pronunciations.
@RegDwighт Well, many people get it wrong. We have many kinds of greengrocer's apostrophe (and lack thereof)!
 
2:59 PM
Yeah.
Well thanks for the time being. That should be enough for my immediate needs.
 
So een café, twee cafés.
Because the accent prevents pronouncing it as a short e.
 
"twee café's" looks better.
 
@RegDwighт There isn't much more to it than this anyway: you have now learned anything there is to know about Dutch -s and apostrophes!
 
so "cafe" is a dutch word?
 
No, café is. We borrowed it from French.
 
3:01 PM
and you'd write "twee cafe's"?
 
No, study my line above very closely!
Bad student!
spanks Mitch
 
aw man! studying? in the middle of summer?
 
2 mins ago, by Cerberus
So een café, twee cafés.
 
right, but now I'm asking about the razy new dutch word "cafe" hat has a short 'e' at the end.
 
But greengrocers are compelled to two "twee café's", somehow.
 
3:02 PM
That's what I was hoping.
 
@Mitch But it doesn't exist!
 
It should. I have abet going on that if I put it on the wal of my town, within 24 hours...
nobody will care.
 
Does your town have alot of wals?
 
Also for the record, I'm going to make sure I vandalize an outdoor fruitseller's chalkboard with:
 
To fend off the slavers?
 
3:05 PM
Greengrocers Apostrophe's for sale!
 
Hehehe.
 
@Cerberus No, not at all, therefore the not caring.
 
I see.
 
There's a lot of walls along the highway (to keep sound away from the houses)
Lots of unused art real estate
graffiti real estate.
 
Hmm.
But the city itself isn't protected by walls, is it?
Like Avignon:
Do you feel safe, without walls?
We don't have any either.
 
3:08 PM
no, nothing so interesting as that...I don't think there are -any- cities with walls in the US.
 
We lost most of our walls too, some centuries ago.
 
@Cerberus right. lots of walls and gates.
 
A comfortable idea, no?
 
Some nations are so free and advanced they never even heard of walls. Like Americans. They think "wall" is just a synonym of "cardboard".
 
Hehe.
In comes a storm or a flood...
There is one wooden house near my parents. It's know as "the wooden house", because it's so rare outside vacation cottages.
But we used to have lots of wooden houses, 500 years ago.
But eventually cities all began to outlaw them.
 
3:23 PM
Het houten huis?
 
Yes!
See? Your Dutch is perfect!
 
Hooray.
@Cerberus don't ask me for the plural.
Or possessive, for that matter.
 
(Of course -en is pronounced like -e, as in nearly all Dutch words.)
@RegDwighт Possessive is easy: it's impossible.
Just stick van in front of it.
 
Wait, so how you say the house's walls?
Ah that.
Well that's cheating.
 
You have to use van.
 
3:25 PM
Yes, yes, cheating.
 
Very informally, you could say het houten huis zijn muren.
 
Yeah.
 
But you almost sound like a child.
 
Have we not discussed that for German at one point? I am not sure.
Dem sei...
 
I think we have discussed something similar...
How does that work again?
 
3:26 PM
Especially combined with the local dialect, where it can mean "she".
 
Haha.
Es or it?
 
@Cerberus: In morning you're sleeping when I pinged you?
 
@Cerberus Dem sein Kind ist sieben. "Her child is seven years old". Literally "It his child is seven".
 
@Sudhir Yes.
 
"Dem sei Mutter sei Freund" = "his or her mother's friend"
 
3:27 PM
@RegDwighт Haha. And how about "the wooden house's walls are tall"?
 
So you don't shut down your machine?
 
I don't.
@RegDwighт Huh, I totally don't get that one.
 
@Cerberus "dem Haus sei Wände sind hoch" actually sounds funny, though grammatical. I'm not sure why. Perhaps because this construction is actually limited to living beings.
 
Sein => sei?
 
@Cerberus ah yes.
 
3:29 PM
@RegDwighт And if you add "wooden"?
 
Doesn't change anything.
 
Okay.
So sein becomes sei when it's plural or feminine?
 
No, when it's in the dialect/register I'm talking about.
 
Oh...and sein is more general?
 
Sein is almost Hochdeutsch if you mix it with that other weird stuff. It starts to stick out.
 
3:31 PM
> Dem sei Mutter sei Freund = "his or her mother's friend"
 
The local dialect tends to drop any final n in general.
 
I still can't wrap my head around this one.
@RegDwighт Noted.
Dem sei Freund = his friend? His/her friend?
Oh, wait.
I get it.
 
@Cerberus [[[Dem] sei Mutter] sei Freund] = [[[He/she] his/her mother] her friend]
 
Right, right, I just figured it out.
I didn't get that it was nested at first.
 
@Cerberus so for verbs as well. Mache, koche, spiele, denke, rather than machen, kochen, spielen, denken.
 
3:33 PM
So you just add sei after any phrase to make the entire phrase possessive.
 
Yeah.
Actually not quite.
 
@RegDwighт In Dutch, we don't pronounce those n's either. Ever.
Denke, make, honde, katte...
Houte, stene, metale...
 
For long phrases just the sei won't suffice. You have to throw in the dem as well, to refer back to the entire phrase. So basically you use dem sei as a single token.
 
But you must write them.
@RegDwighт Okay, I see.
It sort of makes sense.
 
So for example, "Der Onkel meiner Freundin dem sei Chef" = the boss of my friend's uncle.
Dropping the "dem" and simply using "sei" would be strange.
 
3:35 PM
Or Meine(r?) Freundin sei Onkel dem sei Chef?
 
And actually, you can use "dem sei" for short phrases or single words as well. In our previous example, in fact. "Dem sei Mutter dem sei Freund."
 
Right.
So dem can be left out, but only if that doesn't result in confusion.
 
@Cerberus it's a bit cumbersome, I don't think people would actually use that, but it's not ungrammatical per se.
 
OK.
 
Now, I think one interesting thing why this construction exists in the first place of why it's quite useful is that you can always start off with nominative, and then if you change your mind midway through the sentence you can still turn it into genitive after the fact.
The funny thing, of course, is that you turn it into genitive by using dative (+ genitive).
Door bell!
 
3:40 PM
Bye!
 
@Cerberus So yeah. Just to wrap it up, in your example you'd say Meine Freundin, never meiner Freundin. That's the point, that it's nominative.
Gotta run check out something for my wife.
Lators.
 
@RegDwighт That happens any time you use von as well...
And the possessive dative is common among IE languages, I believe: "ihm sind zwei Häuser"?
@RegDwighт Right, that makes sense.
 

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