The Pod Bay

kim holder

00:04

@Mazura i've been thinking very carefully about going and talking to squad, the company that built it. they are based in mexico city, i live about 4 hours away.

my thing is virtual colonies. i'm sure they could give me a ton of advice. i just haven't quite fit all together how to approach them and what to say.

kim holder

00:17

@Mazura Oh, further to Russell's point - consider Venus. It's surface gravity is slightly less than ours, but the atmosphere is 93 bar and almost 500 degrees C. I don't know what the factors are that determine the nature of a planet's atmosphere, but i feel comfortable saying there's a lot of them.

PearsonArtPhoto

03:43

Tomorrow I'm going to do my mega movie, and then get to work on the 3d visualization. I want something working by the end of the day, and something releasable by the end of the weekend.

uhoh

06:00

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Q: Where might observations of the Roadster spacecraft be catalogued?

This excellent answer from @MikeG shows exactly how to find a list of observations for a minor planet. But I'd like to ask about a list of observations of an artificial object. Currently the NASA JPL's Horizons site is also providing predicted trajectory of an unusual spacecraft which is referre...

Edlothiad

06:28

@Mazura years? I was wondering why I'm so bad at it and all those guys on youtube are building SSTOs that can fly across the entire solar system, refuel and keep going endlessly.

uhoh

09:54

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A: If colonists burrowed far enough under the ice on Ganymede or Europa, would the ice provide adequate protection for them from Jupiter's radiation?

Yes, it absolutely would! The radiation on Europa is about 5.4 Sv (540 rem) of radiation per day. Looking at this guide, and assuming you want to meet OSHA standards of 5 rem per year, you would need to only allow 1 part in 40,000 of the base radiation to make it through. The website linked indic...

The source is a "survivalist" wacko site: "ModernSurvivalBlog.com"

It's not possible to state a halving thickness for "generic radiation" without reference to the type of radiation or its characteristic energy.

XKCD

For a while, some physicists worked on a theory unifying the other forces with both the force of gravity and the film "Gravity," but even after Alfonso CuarÃ³n was held in a deep underground chamber of water for 10^31 years he refused to sell his film to Disney.

Edlothiad

@uhoh Hmm there must be a more credible source for the blocking power of water, right?

uhoh

10:25

@Edlothiad my comment is :"It's not possible to state a halving thickness for "generic radiation" without reference to the type of radiation or its characteristic energy.
"

You first need a credible source for the nature of this particular radiation.

The answer treats radiation as if its all the same.

Edlothiad

Well I think the issue is the answer gives to much weight on a questionable source.

But I was more asking if such information would exist in data provided by a space agency or a more credible source that might have looked into either this case or a similar case.

uhoh

and those sources would start by carefully specifying the nature of the radiation (photons, electrons, neutrons, protons, etc.)

and their energy spectrum.

Edlothiad

Oh yes, I'm sure.

uhoh

10:50

Mast

@uhoh If you disagree with the answer, why didn't you write your own answer instead?

The current version looks nothing like the original.

Had it been a community wiki that would've been fine, but now I'm not so sure.

@PearsonArtPhoto Or am I taking a completely wrong take on this?

uhoh

@Mast the editing was in flux when you looked, I've rolled back already.

I had thought there was a way to salvage the conclusion... but looking closer, there really isn

...really isn't.

I have to resign myself that this is not really a technical site, and if you are popular, you can get 20 up votes for completely wrong answers based on absurd sources.

Mast

Again, why didn't you simply write a competing answer?

Nothing wrong with disagreeing answers on the same question.

uhoh

For the same exact reasons just stated.

Mast

If you write a technically sound answer, you got at least my upvote.

uhoh

11:01

That's very kind of you, but I'm not here for up votes.

Mast

If you're here to educate users, a good answer would do that.

uhoh

I've added a link to the end of the answer. How does that look?

Mast

Expand a bit on it and turn it into an answer ;-)

Now it's "your answer is in another castle".

uhoh

I followed a meta link back to an old post about that a while ago, but I forget what it means now. Can you remind me?

Mast

11:18

@uhoh Of-course.

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Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

discussion link-only-answers not-an-answer

Don't get me wrong, it's not as bad as the examples used in that meta post.

uhoh

Mast

You provide at least the title of the paper and what it's generally about.

uhoh

Yes indeed I remember this handy mnemonic :-)

Mast

But your paragraph doesn't provide an answer.

It says "there's this awesome paper you should read, hopefully it will answer your question".

Instead of answering the question.

uhoh

But I did not write an answer at all.

I added one additional reference to an existing answer.

Mast

11:21

No, you modified someone else's answer with something that should either be it's own answer or a comment under the question.

uhoh

That's an opinion.

I did indeed add one more reference to an existing answer, that is a fact.

Normally I would add a comment, but the twelve comments there already are all quite long. Perhaps I could move it to a comment below the question.

Ya, that's what I've done. It's there, it's visible, and it's not in an answer anymore.

I don't now if you've seen this episode of Smarter Every Day, where the host shows how hard it is to learn how to ride a bicycle where the movement of the handlebars is reversed, using a gear box:

The Backwards Brain Bicycle - Smarter Every Day 133

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It took quite a long time to get used to.

Getting used to the idea that wrong stuff in answers is OK as long as it gets up votes to me is like the backwards handlebars are to Destin.

Edlothiad

@uhoh Wrong stuff in answers isn't ok. You should comment on the answer to explain where the OP has gone wrong, you should make the OP aware of it, and if you can, provide an answer that is right.

One thing to note, however is that an answer that is wrong should not e flagged as wrong, as it is technically still an answer.

uhoh

When one of the original members of the site, who is also a moderator, believes so and does it repeatedly, and is highly up voted for it, it is "effectively ok".

media.giphy.com/media/X8yB7saJ18pwdCM60X/giphy.gif Too big for imgr

You can review my comments here space.stackexchange.com/a/10840/12102

Edlothiad

11:37

If you just post the link on it's own, it will onebox automatically (top tip: If it would normally onebox but hasn't just slap a ! in front of it)

uhoh

it's over 5 Mb

okay it's time for me to get on with other things.

Edlothiad

This was a test to onebox the above link, which was unsuccessful, can be ignored. Sorry for the clutter

Hmmm, I didn't realise there was a max limit on the one box.

uhoh

wow, and yikes!

geoffc

12:40

@uhoh Try driving a motor boat. We have two. a ski boat with a wheel like a cars. A fishing boat with a tiller at the back, where the directions are reveresed. Swicth between them quickly. (Had to do that once. Kids were out screwing around, stalled the motor, so I went out in ski boat, hopped over, started the motor and took it back while someone else drove ski boat in).

Edlothiad

12:51

While I don't have much experience with swapping between the two quickly, I have swapped between the two and always found it quite logical. Now if you were to take the ski boat, and reverse the wheel so that turning left made it go right, it would take time to get used to

NASA Space Flight

13:31

NASASpaceFlight.com: Spacewalkers completing spacewalk robotic maintenance with EVA-48

posted on February 16, 2018 by Pete Harding and Chris Bergin

The final EVA to complete an upgrade to the Space Station’s robotic arm’s end effector…

uhoh

13:58

@geoffc luckily I've only had to drive the "normal" motor boat. Turning the right way while rowing looking the wrong way is a bit of a challenge as well

PearsonArtPhoto

14:49

@uhoh It is a technical site, but not all answers can be fully technical.

But that being said, if you have an answer that has more technical details, feel free to add it. I would upvote an answer to a question I answered if it was better than mine, and it seems like you had the start of a good answer.

geoffc

@Edlothiad That is a good point as well.

PearsonArtPhoto

This time I have a phone interview for my site...

kim holder

17:26

@Edlothiad would you be okay with posting that community ad in Science Fiction and Fantasy? I feel a little wrong about joining the site just to post an ad.

PearsonArtPhoto

I think I'm going to need a graphic designer to do a logo for whereisroadster.com . I can pay. Might consider other deals as well, like T-shirts, bumper stickers, etc. Let me know if you have any suggestions.

kim holder

Physics actually has a ton of ads now, i suspect there is little interest in another. Maybe WorldBuilding, another place i'm not active.

Rory Alsop

17:47

@uhoh I have to say, you are being quite unfair to @PearsonArtPhoto to say that is wrong. The majority of that answer was right. You and others made edits that improved his answer in that instance. That was good. That is expected behaviour.

He got upvotes before and after

and they were deserved

Edlothiad

18:22

@kimholder for sure!

@PearsonArtPhoto I know a guy from SFF that has done some pretty cool stuff, I can see if he’s interested?

kim holder

@Edlothiad thanks :)

Edlothiad

It seems like the guy over at thespacestore.com is having a tough time, he was expecting to receive 1500 FH mission patches and was told he’ll only receive 50, having to cancel 1200 orders

@kimholder you betcha! We might even be able to sneak in a moonwards ad, if you were so inclined, although the community can be quite picky.

kim holder

:] that's nice to hear. but, really i have been hanging back with moonwards. i have been having trouble getting the foundations of the site set up adequately to proceed with promoting it. it's just taking longer than i thought.

so for now, i don't advertise. except on the space show, but that is sort of my training ground.

PearsonArtPhoto

@Edlothiad Maybe. The guy I really wanted to do it finally got back to me with a price, if I can't work a deal out with him...

Edlothiad

Ok, well i’m Not sure how much he still designs, but I can ask anyways

@kimholder / everyone, want would you like the tooltip to be? Something like “Like Space? Come join Space Exploration SE!” ?

PearsonArtPhoto

18:36

graphicdesignhero.com is the guy I want to do it.

kim holder

@Edlothiad that sounds fine to me

geoffc

GOt my rep cap today. Yay. 30/50 to Epic.

Long way to go...

Edlothiad

20:30

@kimholder okie dokie

@geoffc congrats! Bulk answering is the answer!

geoffc

Actually getting it on one or two answers, plus assorted related questions getting upvoted.

Edlothiad

That’s pretty impressive, it’s one of the upsides of the HNQ, it sometimes awards the best answerers additional rep, but sometimes awards those who shouldn’t be (like myself here with 50 upvotes for finding a photo of a seat belt)

geoffc

21:00

The Reddit group is hunting ASOG. Not going to be a Marmac hull we have learned. So they are scoping out all large barge vendors along the US East coast. Should be interesting since they found the original JRTI with up close photos during construction.

Edlothiad

@kimholder seems like we’ve received some criticism from the top SFF user based on the borders of the ad: scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/11722/68872

@geoffc crazy how no matter what your passion is, people are always trying to find information before they’re to be told it! From film leaks to barge construction leaks!

geoffc

@Edlothiad These guys are funny they are so into it... They regularly post pictires of cores on their way from Hawthorne to McGregor to Florida for testing/launches.

They think they caught B1046 the first Blcok 5 core on its way to McGregor for test firing. Should be obvious once it is on the test stand and they get their photos of that. :)

Edlothiad

21:29

Crazy, sounds exactly like the Game of Thrones crowd

kim holder

@Edlothiad ah yea, i see... i guess i'll reply. not that i have a good reply, especially after looking at the competition...

Edlothiad

21:49

Just so you know, he’s very sassy, if he says anything that may upset you, it’s for show.

We need some graphic design aficionados :(

@kimholder most of the “competition” are just stock photos with text on top. The only one specially designed was the lit one. The WB one is artwork with text on top

kim holder

the worldbuilding one is really great

well, good artwork is most of the battle. i like your Tolkien one, by the way

Edlothiad

That’s not mine, it’s been shamelessly stolen for about half a decade

Although Tolkien is my personal field of expertise so I felt comfortable stealing it

kim holder

still. i looked around for a bit for something stealable and then gave up. time was up.

Edlothiad

I think i’ll have a look tonight, I have a bit of time. Further I think we could make something like the final shot of the roadster, and with the title text “curious?” And underneath “Space.SE”

Or the jab from the Martian, or something like this which is actually inspired by a work of SFF:

kim holder

that's a good idea. great idea, actually. then it would be adapted to the audience. makes a lot of sense.

Edlothiad

21:59

That’s obviously not the right dimensions, but it may be reasonably alterable with a bit of cropping

kim holder

no copyright issues?

Edlothiad

That image was shared by the creators on Reddit, so I would guess not

I own copies of the Martian so taking screenshots for non-profit use is fine.

kim holder

nice - you know your ins and outs on this.

Edlothiad

I didn’t realise I enjoyed Sci-fi and fantasy so much before finding the site, just like I didn’t realise how passionate I was to learning about space before learning more about the MERs

kim holder

well, this is a great time to take it up :D

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