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A joke on Reddit that I saw: Congratulations to the winner of last night's presidential debate: The Voyager probes, headed away from the Earth at 62000 km/hr
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21:27
@geoffc Not that different than Zubrins really. At least, not the newer proposal he has.
@PearsonArtPhoto Mars Semi-Direct/Falcon Direct Very different. :) But I know the point you are trying to make. Accepted.
21:39
Okay, I'll give you that.
Elon's plan is like the phase 2 or 3 of Zubrin's plan.
22:19
@PearsonArtPhoto you know, i've convinced myself the COPVs were not at fault in the explosion, after researching it to answer a question of uhoh's
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A: Is this explanation for the SpaceX 1-Sept-2016 anomaly plausible?

kim holderIf by 'plausible' you mean that an exploding helium bottle could have caused an explosion like the one we saw, yes. However, the article's assertion that 'it is the most likely scenario' is not plausible. It is always risky trying to get an accurate analysis of a very complex subject from a news...

Really? I thought Spcex had specifically called out the COPVs
no, they said it was the cryogenic helium system
which has a number of parts
including the ground system, since it was attached
> sources note they are extremely sceptical a COPV could be at fault, due to the amount of focus placed on them after the CRS-7 failure
that is a quote from NASA Space Flight, and i would bet they were talking to someone on the investigation
actually, they aren't even saying the helium system was at fault, specifically. they are just saying there was a large breach there.
caused by? this remains the giant question.
Huh, I come to the opposite conclusion from the same data. In CRS-7 they were focused on the strut, and if AMOS-6 was caused by a rare tank manufacture defect, no amount of COPV study after CRS-7 would reveal that
22:27
i took it there was an implication there that they COPVs were redesigned in response.
The bottle held together well in CRS-7 (stage split relatively slowly) so why redesign?
to support a failure of that kind in future? i'm reading into what was said, admittedly.
or that the battery of tests they tried to see what it takes to make a bottle fail convinced them they hold up pretty well
Yeah, and I'm no expert in COPV or failure analysis
or at the very least, that one that wasn't even full or under the stress of launch is pretty unlikely to just up and explode.
do we know what pressure it was at when Amos-6 went boom? Agree that if it wasn't under substantial pressure failure would be unlikely, but the launch stress is relevant if it was a thermal-stress carbon fiber delamination
*is less relevant, sorry
22:34
@geoffc mentioned he'd read speculation that perhaps if there is uneven thermal expansion as the bottle is slowly submerged during filling of the lox tank, maybe that could cause a rupture
i haven't seen any reference to the pressure levels, or how close the fueling was to being finished
it was 8 minutes before the planned static fire. i imagine one could estimate from that how close it was to being full based on the fueling practices before launch
Too sleep-deprived and on tiny phone to research that rn. Guess I'll leave it to the pros
i put the tech broadcast of crs-9 on in the background to see if they mention it.
22:57
15:37 stage 1 and stage 2 helium secured for flight, 17:00 liftoff
i don't know if that is the relevant data, but it justified how i spent the last 15 minutes.
I.e helium tankage is full up an hour and a half prior to launch?
hm? no, that's minutes and seconds
you are sleep deprived....
working too hard?
i wouldn't put it that way, but you are one of the most knowledgeable people we have on all things rocket related.
actually, they mention helium levels at least 4 times during that broadcast
23:24
Not working too hard, stomach bug kept me up last night
i don't really know anything about rockets, I'm just really good at composing Google search terms ;)
Given some of your answers, then you are doing magic.
in truth, hubby woke in pain night before last due to a kidney stone. we went to the clinic twice that night.
first time the shot they gave him for the pain wasn't enough, so we went back...
lucky for him it isn't in a position that is painful right now. it shifted, and there is a window of opportunity to operate before it becomes an issue again.
my husband has extraordinary pain tolerance. it is a minor superpower of his.
23:43
Eek! I hope that gets resolved uncomplicatedly.
he has had kidney stone crop up 4 times, but the pain has always stopped and he always decided there was no need to do anything about it
downside of having extraordinary pain tolerance, i guess
so slapping him upside the head about it is ineffective too :P
these days they can be broken up with lasers or ultrasound if they aren't too large. it shouldn't be a big deal.
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