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kim holder

00:03

@called2voyage ok, thanks. i'll change it.

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kim holder

@KingsInnerSoul Just to let you know, there was an error in the launch time - it is an hour later, i had to redo the event listing. So, unless you register again, you won't get the reminder. :P

kim holder

00:24

Russia: Rocket rolled out onto Vostochny Cosmodrome pad for first launch at site *TIMELAPSE*

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spaceflight101live.com/soyuz-first-launch-from-vostochny.html

^ i think spaceflight101 has come through. Sez 'Live Streaming by Roscosmos' Yay!

KingsInnerSoul

00:39

Thanks.

Where can we watch the launch?

kim holder

@KingsInnerSoul at the link just above spaceflight101live.com/soyuz-first-launch-from-vostochny.html

KingsInnerSoul

it says its offline

geoffc

TRied the colour blind glasses from Enchroma today.

Kind of interesting. They had this colour ball, looks kind of like this:

And with the glasses on, I at least one band I could see was two different colours, but without the glasses, I saw one band.

kim holder

01:27

@geoffc gee, i wonder how that works

still no feed on the spaceflight101 link

@KingsInnerSoul that should be because they start the feed shortly before the event

the launch is actually scheduled for just after 2 a.m. UTC. I put the time a bit early, because normally they start broadcasting beforehand, so you see the whole countdown process

here is the feed directly from the Roscosmos channel on YouTube as well:

Прямая трансляция с космодрома Восточный

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geoffc

@kimholder So the argument is that my receptors are off in frequency they detect. The lenses shift the frequency of the incoming light so that it is more seperate in known regions of trouble so I can percieve distinctions. It is interesting.

kim holder

02:01

well, according to officialness, the Soyuz should have now launched, but i have no feed

@geoffc that makes sense. so, it shifts all the light a little?

geoffc

@kimholder Or shifts SOME light, strategically. But basically, yes.

enchroma.com

Try the color blind test, I do TERRIBLE on it. :)

kim holder

yeah, i wondered if they could just shift some

so, nobody else is getting something from that youtube feed? it isn't a geographic thing?

ah, okay. Launch delayed for one day.

SF101 tweeted it...

ima gonna have to do that twitter thing at some point

horsh

Rescheduled for tomorrow.

geoffc

Meh I still cannot see the point of Twitter. A very rare interesting tweet, but then 10,000 useless ones. All chaff, almost no wheat.

kim holder

02:17

yep, did the test and have normal vision. some were hard though. and they didn't give a score. i did work, i want a score :(

"Late countdown abort, media report vehicle & pad safing underway."

updating schedule

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Sir Cumference

Huh. I got a surprisingly simple question, yet I can't answer it.

Jupiter has a very low density, yet a high mass. Why doesn't its own gravity make it compress in on itself?

kim holder

it's mostly liquid hydrogen. takes a lot of pressure to make H liquid at that temperature. It can't get much more dense.

Sir Cumference

Can it not become a solid?

kim holder

i believe it does near the core, according to the modelling

Sir Cumference

02:30

The core is even more complicated. It's supported by something called "electron degeneracy pressure".

Nevertheless, something as massive as a star can collapse, yet a gas giant can't?

You'd think pressure in a star would prevent the collapse

kim holder

i take it back about solid H in the core - that was pure hearsay i can't back up

duzzy

@SirCumference It does, until the pressure weakens. :P

Sir Cumference

@duzzy "Pressure weakens"?

duzzy

It starts to relax a bit.

Sir Cumference

Um...?

duzzy

02:33

When it takes more energy to fuse the elements than it gets from the reaction.

kim holder

the pressure is acting in all directions - it compresses the core as well as counteracts gravity nearer the surface

Sir Cumference

Well yeah, then it contracts and then becomes a lot larger

Hence, a red giant

Okay, now I'm really confused

duzzy

Why?

I think you're answering your own questions.

Outward pressure and inward pressure are having a fight, and when it's not longer balanced, things go boom.

It's like a snake and a mongoose. Regular geese are mean, but mongeese kill snakes.

Sir Cumference

Well yep, in certain situations

kim holder

see, you can count on duzzy to explain things in a way anyone can understand...

duzzy

02:37

I think I need to study less and sleep more.

kim holder

exams coming up?

Sir Cumference

So wait. A gas giant has a low density and high mass, and yet it won't compress because...?

duzzy

Exam on Thursday!

kim holder

@SirCumference a light element is still not so dense no matter how much you compress it

duzzy

If I ever lose the ability to hear high pitched sounds, I'll be quite sad.

kim holder

02:39

jupiter is largely metallic hydrogen and helium. It doesn't have the energy to fuse them into new elements, so there is a threshold

@duzzy i'm not entirely sure you are lucid

what's the exam on?

duzzy

Networking.

kim holder

oh, you mean like on LinkedIn? :D that's easy

duzzy

:P

kim holder

are you going to explain what high-pitched sound you are going to miss?

are you not quite sure if the fire alarm has gone off?

Sir Cumference

Ah, I figured it out. Increasing a gas giant's density would lead to higher temperature, which would make the giant expand, which would cool it down.

This is all in equilibrium

kim holder

02:47

oh hey, there you go

duzzy

No fire alarms.

kim holder

but at some astronomically high pressure/temperature, fusion starts, which is then self-sustaining

right?

Sir Cumference

Yeah, if you increase the mass enough

duzzy

I'm just really tired, and I'm listening to music... and I love the parts where the sound goes high. I don't know anything about music, except I like to hear it.

kim holder

some high-pitched guitar solos now irritate me

i can still hear it, but it's uncomfortable

duzzy

02:50

It's my favorite part

kim holder

it would be rather distressing to have trouble listening to my favorite music.

Layla. There is a great song with a lot of really high-pitched guitar.

i have a feeling i'd have to play it quietly now in order to avoid finding it physically uncomfortable.

duzzy

Layla! You've got me on my knees, Layla!

kim holder

and i have a permanent strong association of the beautiful solo with a scene from Wiseguys where Scorcese used it

duzzy

I haven't seen it.

Pianos are amazing, though.

kim holder

03:05

i don't know of any other song that uses that very unique combination

electric guitar and piano

duzzy

I want piano music now.

kim holder

The Last Time I Saw Richard

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duzzy

I've never heard that before. I really liked the piano, but the singing overpowered it. :(

Killswitch Engage - My Last Serenade - Piano Cover

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:)

When I finish this degree, I'm taking piano lessons.

We'll see if someone can teach an old person who has zero music experience how to play a piano.

geoffc