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youtube is taking its time loading for me, for the other
Youtube is working best for me.
love how they add "Earth" to the location coordinates
but not "United States"
lol
10 mins +, what could it else be? 42 s
00:05
nice you solved that mystery finally
But what is the question? :)
i have an urge to grab the timeline at the bottom and slide it right.
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like you said, how many seconds more than 10 mins for the current SpaceX hold?
@kimholder haha nice :)
I keep thinking my audio is broken
scary sound!
11:20
i think someone is just messing with the clock now.
00:07
ugh
he dropped his rug in the water and they're circling around
The number of people watching was steadily rising, but now it's dropped a bit. I guess people have decided they can squeeze in dinner and a movie before the launch.
@Hohmannfan lol
@Hohmannfan LOL
@HDE226868 kind of my thinking too
00:09
The clock is working!
No more warping please!
8 minutes.
7 minutes.
6 minutes 30 seconds.
6 minutes.
00:15
5 minutes 30 seconds.
do i hear 5? 5 min going once...
sold to the man in the black hat
00:17
rabbit season
Two minutes, Turkish
100s
30s
ooo, nice shot.
aww
abort?
oh wow
ignition problem?
00:21
rocket not flying .(
at least they didn't have to blow it up, i guess.
The TEA/TEB was impressive on the start attempts. Not sure they have ever had one of these issues before.
looked like ignition but then a flame out
maybe computer aborted
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A: How does SpaceX ignite their engines?

TildalWaveYes, they use TEA-TEB (Triethylaluminum-Triethylborane) as their first stage ignitor and this mixture is hypergolic, but no, they don't ignite one engine and let that one ignite all the others, they would want to ignite them all at once. Problem with one engine igniting others is that doing so wo...

Insufficient fire. They will not go to space today.
00:23
yea I can't see how that would be launching anytime soon
so their engines are ignited by tea
Well, better to shut down at altitude=0 than altitude=10. :/
wow, still considering another attempt
Altitude=10 leads to altitude=0 + velocity=14 that leads to velocity=0 rocket=broken.
I thought their window was only 45 minutes today?
00:32
@kimholder Are they? Or are you watching the wrong video again?
@duzzy They said they are.
Still have another 50 minutes left.
@RussellBorogove 90
Ah, nice.
@duzzy :'( that hurts me...
00:32
@kimholder Sorry. :P
oh, yeah....
awww, 'scrub section'
@duzzy you'll get your gnome in a bit...
lol
yep, scrub, new date TBD
00:35
Did he say "smooth countdown"?
his re-writing history
@Hohmannfan Doesn't count if you don't go to space today.
@kimholder :P
@SpaceX Launch aborted on low thrust alarm. Rising oxygen temps due to hold for boat and helium bubble triggered alarm.
00:36
it was a smooth countdown, just a messed up ignition
Did not the clock jump around a lot first?
where did he say to go for notification of the new date?
wow, looks like i'm actually going to have to install twitter on my phone and enable mobile notifications.
@BrianLynch hey, did you get my email? Alex's article is a head-spinner.
 
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@kimholder yea sorry I didn't reply, I hit "mark as unread" and put it behind a number of those delayed replies... Alex's stuff is always very dense, he is not a fan of trimming things down unfortunately!
I still haven't had a chance to talk to him in person, but I'm sure I will at ASTRO 2016 in May, so I'll bring up Moonwards and see how receptive he is, you can always send him an email to bug him (of course you can mention me) since he loves to talk about this stuff
@Hohmannfan haha true, not exactly perfectly smooth, but I think they just meant the abort was not during the countdown, they made it to t = 0 and then the abort happened during ignition, probably t plus 0.0001 seconds or something
i.e. a very short mission after a smooth countdown...
(unless all that happened before t = 0)
 
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Q: Definition of [outer] space in SX SE

wuzaWhile looking for arguments to reopen this question I searched for a clear definition of outer space on SX. And up till now I think this definition is not made. If we can agree on space starting after the troposphere I think the question should be reopened, since it is in the scope of "Systems w...

 
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@BrianLynch I liked the flashes of the engines, trying, trying, nope,
 
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posted on February 29, 2016 by Chris Bergin

The multi-center, multi-partner effort is continuing to piece together the key hardware elements that will return NASA to deep space exploration. Recent progress has been made on items... Related posts: SLS on track for successful PDR conclusion

 
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21:26
kim holder has removed an event from this room's schedule.
i'm reeeeally not good with this scheduling thing...
kim holder has added an event to this room's schedule.
kim holder has added an event to this room's schedule.
kim holder has added an event to this room's schedule.
21:53
you break a leg @kim :)
The Space Show w/ @kimholder to discuss her Moonwards project is now podcast live. More info in the newsletter
remember @kim, Who controls the Moon controls the Earth, U.S. Air Force Brigadier General Homer A. Boushey, 1958 ;)
hey gee you're here ... no, no... you go focus on the show :P
22:09
And she's on
22:20
you know, Copernican revolution isn't about the center of the Universe, and now that we know that the Universe is expanding from everywhere in all directions, it can even be said that we are the center of the Universe from our point of view... it's just nothing special in that every other point of view is equally as valid in this regard :P
grafting trees would be so much easier on the Moon :)
What's wrong with being nerdy?
22:39
nothing?
I don't like these questions now about "who gets to decide" and "why wouldn't we be able to enjoy the view of the Moon"
nobody asked me if we should colonize America either, and I still think that was a bad idea :P
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you know who gets to decide? whoever can make use of it
That's what I was thinking.
Who would get to decide that other people aren't allowed to go?
will it look any different? no... that's a god complex talking
you can't see the Great Wall of China from the Moon either
@duzzy exactly
Worthless so that nobody would want anything to do with it? What else would you do?
Stupid work booked me into a 5PM EST call, so one ear on work call, my talking is done, one ear listening to Kim.
@duzzy you know what I find the funniest ... the darn thing is now dull gray, it couldn't look any uglier if we tried really hard and make it tacky LOL
wanna look at the Moon, hold hands and be romantic about it... wouldn't it look so much better if there was something to see on it?
22:50
That would actually make it pretty interesting.
it would also mean that if something happens with the Earth, there's our backup so to speak
I find that a lot more "romantic" than "we're fowked"
anyway, those arguments before that David pulled out seem like some attention seeking blogger nonsense ... reminds me of some animal cruelty protesters in my city that I didn't recognize not one of them as activists actually doing something, and when I pointed out that they all wear leather shoes and belts, I was like almost blacklisted on Facebook LOL
I kinda wish Kim replied with more force :)
@kimholder ... there's no resources available to an orbiting space station unless you bring those resources there ;)
on the Moon, you just pick up a rock
damn, I feel like back when I was watching matches on the telly LOL
The strong core principle of Moonwards is that it show one way of utilizing the resources. Making rock and basalt useful through melting.
23:09
I cannot think of a question to call in with! I missed the first 30 minutes.
I am US local and can call. Or else one of you slackers call in and give Kim a hard time.
yes call
ask about tourism, when can you expect to be able to take a trip to the Moon and back :)
Yes, but what to say?
Stupid question. NOt her issue.
Needs to be a good question.
hey! there's no such thing as stupid questions :P
Lots of stupid people though! :) But I do wnat a better question...
ask about the location for the site
nobody discussed that yet
23:13
Not bad!
why Lalande
Seconded
I think one of the market issues here is that the lunar economy can not contribute to the Earth economy. It can only provide resources and products for itself.
busy line
well, it can service LEO, MEO, GEO, HEO, L-points,... at a much cheaper price than doing that from Earth
Space can only supply space
23:16
if we're gonna expand into space, we're gonna go past the cislunar space even if we start from Earth (yeah, I know, that's now obvious)
at that point, if you have resources available that you can get there at 1/10th the price or less,... dunno, need I say more?
ha @geoffc you sound completely different to how I imagined you would
Jeremy? :O
Jeremy?
Whatever.
Stupid phone company wouldl not connect the call. Had to od it via Google Hangouts Dialer.
David said "thank you Jeremy" when you disconnected
@TildalWave I said the same to Duzzy and Kim.
@TildalWave Sorry, I knew he said it, I was ? marking his use of Jeremy. :) Whatever.
Not that I am against separated economies, I think that if a thing can be produced locally, the industry should not have to compete with the rest of the universe. Even if you exclude space, even Earth should be more cell based.
so @duzzy doesn't speak really fast in a high-pitched voice?
23:23
Yay Brian shoutout!
That was a total argument from authority about Brian. Oh well.
Suck people in, needles advice.
better to suck drawn people in than to draw in sucky people
:27923023 Feel the suck and the draw pulls the people into a spiral of mutual good.
oww I missed it
I think she is getting off target...
What do you want to do today Kim? Same thing we do every day David, try to take over the world.
Alu foil is down to 100 nm, so that is over 5 MW of blocked light per kg
23:38
it's not so easy to deploy such large foils tho, even in gravitationally relatively flat space
luckily, you don't need to, just deploy millions of small ones
talk about "orbiting rainbows" :) nasa.gov/content/orbiting-rainbows
LOL @kim "Jeremy" was Geoff :D
Scary thought: A 220x220x220 m cube of aluminium at the radiation pressure compensated SEL1 is enough to block ALL sunlight. (if flattened to a sheet)
what do you mean with "radiation pressure compensated SEL1"?
there isn't such a thing as far as I'm aware
The point where the radiation pressure, sun's gravity, Earth's gravity and inertia cancels out.
it is of course different for different area densities
I'm afraid it doesn't work like that, because as soon as you're out of L-point you're in a different orbital period orbit
That is the "inertia" part. Think a little more about it :)
23:45
I did :P
missed a couple of shout outs i would have liked to make, but it went okay i think
@kimholder I think it was terrible :))
no you were great!
:D
what a relief
@TildalWave A solar sail does not have to have orbital velocity, think of a statite
I'd use the hammer more tho
23:47
@kimholder Good work!
especially on that "romantic" question
I'd hammer it real good LOL
@TildalWave lol what makes you think that's what my voice would sound like? :P
@Hohmannfan thanks
ah duzzy - is there a conversation about whether you are jeremy?
Narp.
@duzzy it's just a tease :P
23:48
no, can't be - that was torongo
geoff was jeremy
apparently.
geoff was jeremy?
i missed most of it. :(
hm, in disguise...
he said so little, i didn't get the voice
23:48
a forced disguise, apparently?
david got the name wrong?
i gotta get a tea...
@Hohmannfan OK, so you have this "dumb" sail, or millions of small ones ... you can't really "build into them inertia" to combat radiation pressure effects can you?
@TildalWave Another point: Because both gravity and radiation pressure scales with the inverse square of distance, you can just think of it as the Sun's gravity being "weaker"
@Hohmannfan OK, where? You do realize that L-points are a R3BP, right?
23:52
OK, so if you aren't exactly at L-point (and inertial to it), or have active propulsion for stationkeeping, how are you gonna control your node so it stays synchronous with an orbital period of a higher orbital altitude object?
I think it even was you that mentioned a Mars synchronous low solar orbit satellite once. That is an example of what I am talking about.
heheh i have seeded discord
@Hohmannfan yes, but that was a regular orbit
Can not a solar sail provide active propulsion?
tilting it a little in a direction...
sure, but where does the torque go?
because there will be torque
and you'll end up in a spin
23:55
@kimholder Went better than expected. Could not muster the rudeness to heckle.
@kimholder I did not say alot.
From a co-rotating frame of reference (for Mars and the Sun), the LSO satellite is stationary, making it effectively a "radiation pressure compensated L-point". Even if it can also be considered a regular orbit,
the problem is that at about 1° per day you can't really sync rotation period to match rate of change by solar pressure
@geoffc better than expected? :D was there fear i'd mutter and blather?
@kimholder You did well up till your Pinky and the Brain moment. (Brain, not Brian. The Brian shoutout was good).
@TildalWave You say something can not continue to spin if a force is acting upon it?
23:58
pinky and the brain? the taking over the world bit? didn't like that huh?
@Hohmannfan LSO?
low solar orbit
@kimholder It was fine, but I think you drifted a tad at that moment.
ah that's different, we were talking about SEL1
I thought you coined a new acronym for Lagrange Synchronous Orbit :)
But the compensated point is far from the SEL1
23:59
@geoffc it's a hard thing to get across in 30 seconds or less.

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