The Pod Bay

Realz Slaw

00:00

lol

well its fast moving

and there might be a delay

and "somewhere northeast off mongolia" or somesuch isn't very specific

TildalWave

And interestingly, ISS/Soyuz and GOCE orbits intersect somewhere over south Argentina / Chile and they will be there roughly at the same time too

TildalWave

00:20

about 15 minutes apart actually ... and the ISS just passed over the Falklands now

Realz Slaw

heh

TildalWave

OK, a lot higher orbit and all

if we had units on GOCE ....

Realz Slaw

lol

TildalWave

GOCE LAT: -5.76 LNG: -72.03 ALT: 98.94 ↓ SPD: 7.96

Hennes

@Undo Not completely burning up generates more publicity and thus more cash ?

TildalWave

00:28

It'll go over North Carolina ... US Air Force could use it as a practice target LOL

if that's in kilometers, it's now officially no longer in outer space

eh bugger the tracker just updated ...

GOCE LAT: -80.99 LNG: 44.60 ALT: 131.01 ↓ SPD: 8.07 still in outer space

over Antarctica

Hennes

Uhm, solar heating the atmosphere?

Variable gravitity depending on where you are (ok, small difference. Something should map that..; ) )

TildalWave

01:12

esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/GOCE/Track_GOCE

does it update for you?

It shows it over China for me and not moving, did they shoot it down? LOL

TildalWave

01:26

GOCE is down: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24894611

TildalWave

01:38

ISON builds up on its tail, we now have 4 comets that can be seen with binoculars ... somewhere else than through the clouds here tho

Oh and...

oh bugger it's already on the wall LOL

@RealzSlaw You saw it now on NASA's stream what happens to solar panels? The Soyuz is separated into three sections, the middle one being the landing capsule with the crew

Realz Slaw

@TildalWave ah I missed it

but thats cool

TildalWave

@RealzSlaw you could find a really really slow proxy and hope that stream from 1 minute ago is still to reach it :P

Realz Slaw

lol

TildalWave

or.. .wait for a repeat

or... ask a question on the site and let others find you recorded streams :)

Realz Slaw

bah why don't they show a stream the entire time

all I get is the control center video

TildalWave

01:51

Which stream? Those shots were from the ISS, and I presume Soyuz would be to it now a distant dot on the skies, with landmass in the background making it impossible to spot

Realz Slaw

I know, I mean they should have ground telescopes chasing it all over :P

TildalWave

All over the world... it's still in roughly 90 minutes orbit you know? You'd get maybe 4 minutes out of each telescope

Realz Slaw

lol

TildalWave

best case

no weather

Realz Slaw

then they need a better telescope on the station

and/or satelites

and they can predict the trajectory, so no need to "spot" it, right

I'm sure in a few years they'll have better coverage

TildalWave

01:54

That I could agree with... they did get some new cameras tho not too long ago, and the live stream should be by now already available to everyone ... help me google for it, will you? I have a pissy feline here to deal with :)

Realz Slaw

it'll only get better

a dog and a cat?

TildalWave

yup and they team up sometimes

Realz Slaw

lol

TildalWave

gangnam style

Realz Slaw

ISERV

I don't think it does video

TildalWave

01:58

Not sure it's that one, they got some cam on Cupola now that I think should have a live feed 24/7 somewhere ... it would be pretty new and I'm not sure it's already operational either

Realz Slaw

UrtheCast?

urthecast.com/about

TildalWave

If you expect me to remember the name of the project, you're talking with a wrong person ... I lived through the 80's as a teenager, my memory isn't in its form :P

Realz Slaw

lol

> This fall, two UrtheCast cameras will be strapped into a Progress cargo ship and launched to the International Space Station aboard a Soyuz rocket

TildalWave

yup that might be it

Realz Slaw

> UrtheCast is a space technology startup with a bold mission: to provide the world with a near-live stream of the Earth, using HD video and imagery

TildalWave

02:01

so it's not live yet?

Realz Slaw

sounds like it should be happening soon

or just happened

so prolly not

TildalWave

yeah thought as much

Realz Slaw

also it might not have a usable FPS

"near live" doesn't need to do more than 1 FPS

TildalWave

they have at least 3 technicians up there now, so they should be able to sort it out

5 flight engineers actually

@RealzSlaw well I subscribed

> We will be inviting additional users to our platform in the coming months.

Realz Slaw

oh thats cool

TildalWave

02:09

> Thank you for your interest! To accommodate platform changes, we've temporarily closed access to the Beta.

Our apologies for the inconvenience. We’ll have you testing out the new platform as soon as possible.

Well, I'll see soon enough I guess

Realz Slaw

an API, thats cool :P

and if you hax the API, maybe you can hax ISS :P

eek

TildalWave

You know what's cool about live "streams"? They only need to buffer a strip of a few seconds in advance of photography and glue it on top of previous ones that slowly slide downwards

Realz Slaw

mmm

TildalWave

so if you have some smart enough server that can cut photos to stitch in live time (ok, small delay), you'd get a completely seamless motion

Realz Slaw

@TildalWave lol I recently saw an in-painting and "zoom-enhance" algorithm

the zoom-enhance works very well

it would be hilarious if they used that

it works well, in that it looks good, not that it is accurate

mmm lemme pull up a demo

TildalWave

02:14

no doubt it, they'd use orthophoto processing which would be in this case simple enough... then all the top images would fit exactly to the previous ones with no distortion at edges

Realz Slaw

demo.ipol.im/demo/g_image_interpolation_with_contour_stencils/…

yeah you can just interpolate that stuff away :P

TildalWave

nice, but don't some video filters already use that in real time over HD resolution videos... resolution enhancers or however they're called?

Realz Slaw

yeah I dunno, never done that directly, but i doubt its the same exact thing

thats sorta cutting edge, its only 2 years old

also might not be good for realtime

TildalWave

deconvolution filters?

Realz Slaw

that particular paper

TildalWave

02:19

ah gotcha

whatever happened with fractal image file format?

Realz Slaw

I never head of that

do you mean fractal compression?

because fractal compression is related

I have a smattering of image-processing/graphics knowledge heh

TildalWave

Fractal compression

Fractal compression is a lossy compression method for digital images, based on fractals. The method is best suited for textures and natural images, relying on the fact that parts of an image often resemble other parts of the same image. Fractal algorithms convert these parts into mathematical data called "fractal codes" which are used to recreate the encoded image. Iterated Function Systems Fractal image representation can be described mathematically as an iterated function system (IFS). For Binary Images We begin with the representation of a binary image, where the image may be thought...

yup that's it

Realz Slaw

yeah that

its very hard to compress

easy to decompress though :D

TildalWave

yup... I was mightily impressed in the early days when I first saw it in action, but dunno why it didn't catch on

probably because it wasn't free

Realz Slaw

@TildalWave I think it just takes too long to compress

unless you have huge images

and a lot of CPU power

and a lot of need to make the images smaller

TildalWave

02:24

in which case, it's a problem that it's lossy compression

Realz Slaw

@TildalWave I am fairly certain you can overcome the lossy part

almost any lossy compression can be turned into lossless - you just take the delta of the lossy image, and compress that along with the compressed lossy image

the delta will be very low entropy

show me video!

TildalWave

they had some large zoom cameras last time so I imagine they'll have them now too, about the time when their main shoots deploy

Realz Slaw

oh cool

when is that, if you know

TildalWave

as the man said... and there's the clock for estimated time of landing on the stream too ;)

Realz Slaw

yeah but that includes the shoot

ah 2.5 mins

imma kill em if they don't have video :P

TildalWave

02:35

they will, remember there's also the olympic torch onboard that Russians will wanna sell the best they can before winter olympics in Sochi

Realz Slaw

lol

I think I see video

but it might be just the sim animation

its on the NASA control center screen

TildalWave

I don't see anything resembling a live feed, just some telemetry images in russian

Realz Slaw

yeah it keeps popping in and out

TildalWave

and now not even that

Realz Slaw

right

TildalWave

02:40

ah we had video for a second

Realz Slaw

:D

saw it

TildalWave

can't they stand somewhere else than on the bloody camera cable?

ah we have it

Realz Slaw

lol

TildalWave

whoopee cushions :)

Realz Slaw

uh oh?

I didn't see the engines fire :/

TildalWave

02:50

they landed a bit under the camera's horizon but there was that plume of dust surrounding it, which obviously couldn't be from impact since it was landing pretty slow

Realz Slaw

mmk

TildalWave

And we heard them... I heard Karen Nyberg

Realz Slaw

ok

TildalWave

but they should really sit on whoopee cushions to make the landing more fun

Undo

What has me missed?

TildalWave

02:52

@Undo well everything as usual

Realz Slaw

oh its a russian control center

TildalWave

they just touched down

Realz Slaw

lol

Undo

So everything.

I should have called them and asked them to postpone it.

TildalWave

You can still wait so they pull them out one by one, which will last a while and then they'll sit in chairs for a while to acclimatize and adjust to gravity... and so on.

@Undo oh and GOCE fell down too

Undo

02:55

argh!

TildalWave

As luck would have it, it turns out that the tracking printscreen I added to the answer was one of the last frames of telemetry data ESA has received from GOCE, and it has by now already fallen to Earth somewhere between East Asia and the Western Pacific. If true, that would be not even 15 minutes later. :) — TildalWave 1 hour ago

Realz Slaw

haha

ManishEarth

@undo I cant see the deleted msg on mobile, but if its about area51 "private" beta, status-bydesign

Undo

@Manish Yup, talked to Sklivvz about it.

TildalWave

@ManishEarth Morning ;)

@Undo Slivvz?

Undo

02:57

@Tildal Never can spell his name right, but he's a Dev.

and he was the one in mSO chat at the time.

TildalWave

Sklivvz ♦, London, United Kingdom

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Undo

Well, at least I got the v's and z's right this time.

TildalWave

hehe

Undo

Soo... Is the event over?

TildalWave

well no they'll "extract" them out of Soyuz now one by one and so on, like I said earlier

Undo

02:59

Oh! So I haven't missed everything!

TildalWave

they're pretty fast this time around, must be because of the torch LOL

Realz Slaw

lol

@ShmuelBrin shalom

Shmuel Brin

@RealzSlaw you too

TildalWave

@ShmuelBrin hey there ;) you know, I've just wanted to ask a question on Mi Yodeya about how long back in the past does the burying the Genizah tradition go, I just joined last night but didn't have the chance to be active yet ... anyway, I did search a bit and that wouldn't be a dupe, right?

Realz Slaw

03:18

@TildalWave just ask it :P

TildalWave

@RealzSlaw I just did :P

Realz Slaw

@TildalWave I think the dead sea scrolls are prolly the oldest known

some are ~2400 yo

IIRC

but they'll have cited answers likely

TildalWave

@RealzSlaw well I'm curious :) anyway, here it is if you wanna check it out that I didn't screw something up completely:

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Q: How old is the tradition of the Genizah?

You'll have to excuse my ignorance and if I word something slightly awkwardly, but I did wonder how old is the tradition of burying the Genizot, or alternatively, if that is unknown, what is the oldest recovered Genizah site that we know of? To my understanding, this tradition of paper-interment...

history shemos-sacred-names disposal

Realz Slaw

@TildalWave I already saw it :D

TildalWave

03:37

ah they had a better shot now of the landing from the helicopter

Realz Slaw

ah I shut it already :/

TildalWave

don't worry it'll be on YouTube in 15 minutes ;)

TildalWave

03:56

heh PSY did "NASA Johnson Style" they're now rolling on NASA TV :)

►

Realz Slaw

...

TildalWave

04:51

A hiccup in the orbital maneuvers for Mars Orbiter Mission http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/11102001-a-hiccup-for-mars-orbiter-mission.html An underburn, should be correctable, according to @pradx

Tweeted by elakdawalla on November 11, 2013 at 4:10 AM

oups, hope they can correct it

Realz Slaw

oops

Stack Exchange

'Will [ ] allow us to better understand each other and thus make war undesirable?' is one that pops up whenever we invent a new communication medium.

Realz Slaw

lol we get a live xkcd feed?

ManishEarth

05:10

@RealzSlaw live xkcd makes any chatroom better

Realz Slaw

05:49

@ManishEarth :D

UV-D

10:45

and in other news, I just passed my PhD...

Stack Exchange

12:00

NASA Image of the Day: Expedition 37 Lands, Brings Olympic Torch Back to Earth

posted on November 11, 2013

NASA Flight Engineer Karen Nyberg, left, Expedition 37 Commander Fyodor Yurchikhin of Roscosmos, center holding the Olympic torch, and European Space Agency Flight Engineer Luca Parmitano sit in chairs outside the Soyuz capsule just minutes after they landed in a remote area outside the town of Zhezkazgan, Kazakhstan, on Monday, Nov. 11, 2013. The Olympic torch was launched with the crew of Ex…

Hash

15:18

@UV-D that sounds awesome, Congrats ;-)

TildalWave

17:16

@UV-D Congrats DR-UV-D!!

ManishEarth

@UV-D yay congrats!

David Freitag

17:38

@UV-D So, beers all around?

Stack Exchange

19:50

astrobites: Astrobites Readership Survey 2013

posted on November 11, 2013 by Ben Montet

Do you have five minutes? Fill out this short survey to help us improve Astrobites!

Undo

20:25

@UV-D So does that mean that @Dr. will ping you?

Undo

21:36

I really don't get Twitter.

They need to add badges.

And fake points.

And I SHOULD BE ABLE TO EDIT ANYONE'S STUFF!

Undo

I really don't like the tags on this question, anyone have better ideas?

0

Q: What private companies have launched a satellite?

Are there private banks or companies that have paid for access to up-to-date satellite imagery, whether through financing the satellite or purchasing the raw data? What are some notable names? I am more interested in companies that financed the satellites, and trying to learn what they use the in...

artificial-satellite raw-data private

Donald.McLean

@Undo blech.

Undo

@Donald.McLean Eh?

Donald.McLean

The tags on that question.

Undo

Yep - have any ideas?

I like the first two (the second not as much, but it's acceptable), but the third needs to go.

Donald.McLean

21:47

Blech is just a disparaging expletive, usually when you don't like the taste of something.

Undo

It didn't come up in my dictionary :)

Feel free to suggest an edit if you have any ideas, I'll insta-approve it for you. And you get +2 :)

Donald.McLean

One of the few times where an American might use the German ch fricative.

Corporation?

Undo

I could have sworn we had a tag for private space programs, but I can't find it.

Donald.McLean

non-governmental organization?

Undo

[commercial] is what I'm after.

Now, do we keep [raw-data], and apply it to existing questions, or do we whack it?

Donald.McLean

21:52

I don't think that they would actually want the raw data.

Undo

Well, the raw data on what companies have launched satellites.

Oh, they do ask more evaluative questions, don't they. You're right.

TildalWave

22:06

@Undo Honestly, it's not that good of a question .. it's rather vague and a list type one at that too

Undo

@TildalWave It is rather broad, but I'm not sure we should close it...

Or at least it shouldn't be mod-hammered into closure - we should let the community do it.

TildalWave

it's unclear (not specific enough what would constitute a privately funded satellite venture ... would that include school projects, amateur radio sats, e.t.c.?)

Undo

I've VTC'd it as Too Broad, and I'll leave it up to you whether to hammer it.

TildalWave

some sats were added to rockets as ballast nearly for free, because it is sometimes cheaper to add some additional weight than to change carrier specs

OSCAR sats being good example of that

OSCAR

OSCAR is an acronym for Orbiting Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio. OSCAR series amateur radio satellites use amateur radio frequency allocations to facilitate communication between amateur radio stations. AMSAT was started by a group of Amateur Radio Operators most of which were working at or associated with Goddard Space Center north of Washington DC. The beginning of this project was very humble. The satellite had to be built in a very specific shape & exact weight in order to take the place of one of the balasts used balance the rocket stage. The satellite actually took the place of o...

TildalWave

22:29

@Undo if you wanna mark this "answer" space.stackexchange.com/a/2763/49 as "not an answer" I won't object in converting it to a comment ;)

Undo

Done :)

TildalWave

cheers :)

Undo

Hey, it says 'converted to comment by' instead of 'deleted by' now! Awesome!

TildalWave

I really dislike LMGTFY answers... if it at least quoted one or two most relevant sentences fro mthe linked to page, then OK... but as such, it really didn't answer the question

@Undo where? on your profile?

ah on the post, I forget you can see deleted ones

I of course pressed the wrong button first, so I undeleted and converted to a comment ... actually, it's the system's fault, I honestly thought it's gonna give me options to do that on mod tools page... turns out that's only available on the post itself

I think devs do such things intentionally to keep us amused LOL

Realz Slaw

23:05

wait

is there a video?

some event in 9 mins?

TildalWave

hmm yeah, I think there won't be a live stream, wait let me check

neah doesn't look like it, it's a semi-hush-hush military mission ... maybe we get some videos of the launch tho

spaceflight101.com/raduga-1m-3-proton-launch-updates.html

I can just find a few descriptions of it and that's all, will update if I find anything

If there's gonna be anything, it's gonna be here: tsenki.com/en/broadcast/broadcast

> Nov. 12, 2013, 03:46:00 Moscow Time (6:46 p.m. EST on November 11) from Pad No. 24 at Site 81 in Baikonur

Realz Slaw

how often does it happen that launches happen at the same time

so you must choose which to watch live :P

TildalWave

more info also here: russianspaceweb.com/raduga1m.html and spaceflightnow.com/news/n1311/11proton

@RealzSlaw well we had days with two major launches before but so far none were at more or less the same time, there was always at least a few hours in between

Realz Slaw

23:21

hehe

I'm waiting for the day when there are daily launches

wait, are there?

how many launches do we have per year

TildalWave

sure, the last soyuz with expedition 38 launched during day

Realz Slaw

so just to be clear, how many launches do you think we have per year

ballpark ofc

TildalWave

hehe no need to delete posts really :P

Realz Slaw

@TildalWave this stuff gets saved forever

your grandkids will be reading them in 30 years :P

TildalWave

well check this launch schedule for example spaceflightnow.com/tracking/index.html

Undo

23:24

Uh-oh, I can see deleted messages. Bad thing?

TildalWave

it gets constantly updated of course

→ 4 messages moved to Trashcan

Realz Slaw

wow thats a lot, its pretty close to 1/day

TildalWave

@Undo there :P

Realz Slaw

@Undo haha

Undo

Now I can't see them :(

TildalWave

23:26

2012 in spaceflight

The year 2012 saw a number of significant events in spaceflight. In May and October, the first Commercial Orbital Transportation Services resupply missions took place, during which the SpaceX Dragon became the first private spacecraft to dock with the International Space Station (ISS). In June, China launched the manned Shenzhou 9 orbital mission, and North Korea achieved its first successful orbital launch in December. 2012 also saw China's first successful asteroid exploration mission, and the landing of NASA's Curiosity rover on Mars. The Vega and Unha-3 rockets made their maiden fligh...

this is the list of most in 2012

Undo

→ TildalWave moved to flag queue

TildalWave

hehehe

Undo

Did I get the queue link right?

TildalWave

@Undo No :)

Undo

Dangit.

What's the URL?

TildalWave

23:30

Well I won't tell you :P But think of it this way, if you have access to mod tools and you're not a mod, what tools do us mods have access to that we aren't?

it's following same SE logic

Undo

Fine, I'll go look it up on Meta :)

TildalWave

you'll kick yourself when you find it

Undo

I probably will :P

TildalWave

if it's not /mod, and it's one level higher, what would it be?

Undo

/admin?

TildalWave

23:32

there you go

Undo

But... but...

Wow, I can't find that link anywere.

Lol, get a 404 when I try to access /admin

TildalWave

it's top secret, that's why such inconspicuous name was chosen for it LOL

Realz Slaw

@TildalWave I'm waiting for launches on the hour :P

Undo

So the queue itself is at /admin?

Actually, the 10k thingies are at /tools. So /mod should be open.

Realz Slaw

russia leads in launches

wow

china has 10 launches for 2013

TildalWave

23:37

@Undo No... that's just the "dashboard" and the flags link is named somewhere in this reply of mine... it's a securiteh to make fuzzers work harder :))

Undo

I bet it's /mod/work-harder

TildalWave

you mean /admin/work-harder?

Undo

Aaack! Sooooo complicated!

Soo... what do the admins use?

/dev/fix-teh-bugz?

TildalWave

dunno /root?

/god?

Undo

Lol

/nukestuff

/status-declined

^I bet that's it.

TildalWave

23:41

/404?

Undo

Wouldn't that be awesome?

Realz Slaw

lol

this is public chat :P

Undo

@RealzSlaw The links are server-side validated, all of them. Trust me, I've tried to get into things I'm not supposed to. If you aren't on the list, you're not getting into something.

@RealzSlaw Try getting into space.stackexchange.com/tools

Realz Slaw

@Undo I just meant to be careful, no passwords or anything :P

Undo

Oh, yeah. Everything's tied to accounts, so we're pretty safe.

And anyway...

Actual actual reality: nobody cares about his secrets. (Also, I would be hard-pressed to find that wrench for $5.)

Realz Slaw

23:43

@Undo where do you live :P

Undo

Earth.

Actually, I'm thinking about moving to The Pod Bay, my tent's over there.

Realz Slaw

@Undo I don't have a wrench big enough :(

TildalWave

@Undo well the fact that SE doesn't use SSL/TLS for most stuff makes it a lot easier than whacking anyone with a wrench

Undo

True, and sad.

Realz Slaw

mmm

@TildalWave well it would require using SSL for everything

Undo

23:45

@TildalWave OpenID is over SSL, but you would still just need a cookie.

Realz Slaw

the cookie is prolly unique-IPd though

Undo

I doubt it.

Realz Slaw

most federated auth libs would do that

Undo

I can get in without re-logging-ing when I change location.

Realz Slaw

mmm well how do you know, it prolly does it transparently

Undo

23:46

I can tunnel to China and not have to log in.

Realz Slaw

thats not the point

on your machine, it can relogin automatically

Undo

But if I have all of @Tildal's data, then it doesn't matter.

Realz Slaw

because navigating to google/openid can be done and a new auth-cookie obtained

but if you intercept this cookie somehow, and try to use it yourself

then it will have to be from the IP that it auth'd on

hopefully

Undo

Mmm... I doubt it.

Realz Slaw

hypothetically

Undo

23:48

Last I heard, FireSheep still worked on SO.

TildalWave

@Undo like what? There's nearly no "data" to be had... unless you want some internet points and badges

Undo

@TildalWave Your cookies. Mmmmmm.

Realz Slaw

I have 5 btc on my machine

come get it :P

Undo

whacks with 5 dollar wrench

Realz Slaw

lol

TildalWave

23:48

@Undo heh yeah, it's gonna be winter soon ... time to make some cupcakes and such

Undo

Hm, wrench broke. Need better wrench.

BTW, @TildalWave, your meta post dropped off the bulletin... maybe tack it up?

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Q: Space.SE resolution: 1000+ questions by year end

I would like all of us to make one rather reasonable resolution, to ask at least 1000 questions by New Year's Day 2014. This is a perfectly reasonable number to target, and should be close to our statistical projection based on last few months of activities. But with many holidays coming up in b...

discussion questions statistics

Oh, now it's back. Odd.

I must have scared it into getting back up there.

Or it took my unsuccessful attempt at applying mod-only tags as a good idea.

TildalWave

@Undo ah it was never featured, it's just one of last ones that well rated

Undo