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aedia λ

00:00

Numbers, numbers, math math math!

She sounds less enthusiastic than I remember.

That's what the character says while you're in the menu making choices, so that's basically all I remember her saying while my husband played.

Journeyman Geek

ooh, gaige?

aedia λ

She seemed pretty cool.

Though I didn't watch that much because the times I was nearby I was usually playing something else myself.

Journeyman Geek

She's also one of the easier charecters to play, did my first runthrough using her

(summon death trap, wait for him to soften up or kill targets. ATTACK! Also, when dying, if he kills someone you revive, which is almost like having another player helping you, one which never misses)

aedia λ

Yeah it seemed like deathtrap was amazingly helpful.

I'm not sure who I'd be if I ever get around to Borderlands.

It doesn't seem like Gaige's anarchy stack thing would be that great for my play style. I'm not typically super aggressive except in games that have a lot of pausing or other ways to slow down the action, so I might be someone more stealthy.

Speaking of games that have pausing, time for more Dragon Age: Awakening.

I now have a mage with a power that makes enemies explode and it is cool but at the same time hard to see anything when it happens. I think I'm being illuminated by my own flaming maul there.

@Cerberus Found it. Ogre-killing with a maul just doesn't look right.

Robusto

00:33

@aediaλ Just look out for the revenants.

Journeyman Geek

@aediaλ: you could just choose not to level that up

Zer0 is the stealthy one. I have problems playing him ;p

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

01:07

When are unmarried males 35 and over most likely to watch TV?

Let's say they're employed for the most part, but not generally in 9-5s.

Network TV.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 JR thinks this is Nortonn come again:

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Q: Meaning Of In : Dive In

Help me understand this: The man who left David Seaman in tears in the 2002 World Cup should have scored from another set-piece here after 19 minutes. Having won a slightly questionable penalty after his cross was deemed to have been handled by Wilshere, Ronaldinho tried to beat Joe Hart l...

I see nothing that rules it out.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Hmm.

The tags are spot on.

tchrist

But I don’t remember him quoting things with single quotes and italics.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Flag thrown.

Is a Myanmite from Myanmar?

Do you uh, watch network TV?

tchrist

No.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

01:12

Not that you collect records.

I thought not.

I have to advertise on TV, though.

tchrist

A Burmese is from Myanmar.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oh right, it's Burma now.

tchrist

No, it was Burma before.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

>_<

I will push harder on the independent that shows Simpsons and Family Guy in syndication every night.

tchrist

Burma quondam, Burmaque futuris.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

01:15

Burma Shave.

WendiKidd

@tchrist Why didn't the name of the people change when the name of the country changed? /curious

tchrist

@WendiKidd Heh.

WendiKidd

@tchrist Huh. Googled something interesting: wiki.answers.com/Q/…

tchrist

I’m being recalcitrant or intransigent or something like that.

Next they’ll expect me to rename Ceylon or Nippon or Formosa or Cathay. Ain’t gonna happen.

Not to mention Côte d’Ivoire or Timor L’este.

WendiKidd

Sort of like Pluto isn't a planet and we now have 5 oceans?

(@tchrist)

I always forget those @ notifications unless I'm clicking the reply arrow!

tchrist

01:25

Plutoid is a rock.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

oh, you.

tchrist

Has she been misbehaving?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Naw. She seems to like the new cat cave.

tchrist

That’s the same cat?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yes sir.

She is high white.

I guess.

tchrist

01:31

I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a calico that looks quite like that, but I guess every one of them is different.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Caticorn.

I like the way she has her feet arranged.

tchrist

Quite fetching.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

How is your kitteh?

tchrist

Old. Happy.

Getting a mite skinny.

I need to feed him more ice cream.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

!

tchrist

01:35

He likes it.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Did you say ice cream?

Okay, I'm finished.

tchrist

How old is she?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

She'll be four in October.

tchrist

Very young.

Journeyman Geek

KITTY!

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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

01:39

:D

WendiKidd

Pretty kitty!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Thank you!

That reminds me . . . the Android SO room has a cat-generating script bot now.

The time has come for vidya games.

tchrist

What’s a cat-generating script bot?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/15/android

I wish we had such a bot.

Their Mahnax made it.

github.com/RaghavSood/SO-ChatBot

Ok. Vidya games.

BBL

tchrist

How to Say Horrible Things in Valerian

That’s really quite well done.

WendiKidd

02:01

@tchrist That was a really interesting read!!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

02:57

Did you just call me Myanmarese?

tchrist

Why are dogs and cats different?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

In what way?

Did you mean to sound agitated? :P

tchrist

Heh.

I mean, why do pictures of cats do things to us that pictures of dogs simply do not?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oh. Cats have far more personality.

Uh oh, the shower stopped. Gotta run!

tchrist

I wonder if it might not be their face and eyes, somehow more humanlike at our heartstrings.

Oh, go!!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

03:08

That one looks like Grumpy Cat, who, btw, made People magazine.

Lei tors.

@tchrist p'haps.

tchrist

Wolves are cute, but tigers—tigers are magnificent!

And that is earth-shaking. A half-ton kitty!!

He’s about twice as big as even a tiger.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Haha, ridiculous!

And hello room.

@tchrist I call fake!

tchrist

No, it’s real.

Ligers and tigons.

A liger (male lion, female tigress) produces a kitty 2x the size of the larger parent.

We don’t know why. It doesn’t work with this way with tigons (male tiger, female lioness).

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's totally unfair, and you know it! A user who digs into settings and disables e.g. Facebook's access to the camera is not as stupid as the type you're imagining. Stupid users won't even bother.

tchrist

But mules and hinnies are different, too.

Look up Ralph and Hercules, giant 900-pound ligers.

Cerberus

03:19

Weird!

@tchrist Paws = too small for the beast!

tchrist

You would think.

lifeinthefastlane.ca/lion-plus-tiger-equals-liger/offbeat-news

Cerberus

OMG a Canadian site! I'm not clicking that, not after the way @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 was being totally unreasonable and defending some evil Apple scheme!

crosses arms

tchrist

> The largest feline in the world, ligers can grow to more than 1000 pounds (450 kilos) in weight, and reported length of greater than 12 feet (6.7 meters). They will consume anywhere from 20 to 50 pounds of meat per day but can be capable of eating 100 pounds (45 kilos) in a single sitting. Their average reported longevity is anywhere from 18 to 24 years (570–750 megaseconds).

Cerberus

Perhaps once I'm sober.

tchrist

They don’t live as long as their parents, alas.

Usually. They are prone to cancer.

Cerberus

03:22

> can be capable of

> 570–750 megaseconds

Such insolent mockery!

shakes metric fists

tchrist

The males are sterile, but the females can bear young. However, those young are seldom themselves fertile.

Just trying to holpen.

Cerberus

You added that?

And it's helpen.

tchrist

Thinkst?

Cerberus

Thinko.

tchrist

Nope.

> help [hɛlp], v. Pa. t. helped [hɛlpt], arch. holp [həʊlp]; pa. pple. helped, arch. holpen [ˈhəʊlpən, -p(ə)n]. Forms: 1 helpan, 2-4 helpen, 3-7 helpe, 4- help. (Also 3 halp-, healp-, heolp-, elp, 6 healp(e.) Pa. t. and pple.: see below.

> Com. Teut. str. vb.: OE. helpan, healp (hulpon), holpen = OFris. helpa, OS. helpan (Dutch, LG. helpen), OHG. helfan (Ger. helfen), ONor. hjálpa (Sw. hjelpa, Da. hjelpe), Goth. hilpan, halp (hulpum), hulpans: OTeut. ablaut series help-, halp-, hulp- (holp-).

Cerberus

03:25

It is not correct Dutch. I shall not behold it.

Holpen is the plural simple past.

tchrist

Yes.

Or pp.

You don’t have to be beholden, just upholden.

US dialect still use holpen? Where, I wonder?

> Of the strong inflexions, the normal ME. pa. t. sing. was halp; the pl. was holpen (with o of pa. pple.), later holp(e, which c 1500 was extended also to the sing., and continued in frequent use till 17th c.; it is now a rare archaism exc. in U.S. dial. use. The pa. pple. holpen, kept alive by biblical and liturgical use, is still employed by poets and archaists (and occurs also in U.S. dial.)

liger.org

adoptaliger.webs.com

> The liger is a hybridcross between a male lion (Panthera leo) and a tigress(Panthera tigris). It is the largest of all known cats. In the mix he gets characteristics from both parents, for instance, Ligers enjoy swimming which is a characteristic of tigers and are very sociable like lions.

Living, or dead. Not even the extinct ones are thought to exceed the liger’s size, only meet it.

Hercules is one of five sibling ligers.

ligerworld.com/sinbad-the-liger.html

user19161

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Ping ping!

tchrist

> Samson weighed more than 1000 pounds in size. Samson was 12 feet long. Samson had the ability to even eat 100 pounds of meat per day. Samson had a speed of sixty miles per hour which was extremely fast. This speed could be specifically noted for the regular measurement of liger speed comparisons with other big cats that do exist in the world today

Cerberus

Samson.

tchrist

Now he just makes cameras.

Cerberus

03:37

Samson is the socialist leader.

tchrist

Is he?

Cerberus

What's English for Diederik/Dietrich?

tchrist

Dietrich, pronounced Deetrick.

Cerberus

Bah.

German.

tchrist

You asked.

Cerberus

03:38

You have it not.

tchrist

Dietrich’s is famous.

Cerberus

It's Schokolade, not chocolate.

Learn2German!

tchrist

There used to be a Deidrich Coffee but apparently it’s closed. Didn’t realize that; I don’t get to Denver too often.

Cerberus

The big city!

I thought you hated cities.

tchrist

I told you, I haven’t been in so long I didn’t even know it had closed.

Years, surely.

Cerberus

03:44

C'est assez longtemps!

tchrist

It was right next to Queen Supers, on the road to the park with the cute architecture and rose garden.

Cerberus

Don't you feel like you're missing out on all the fun and interesting stuff?

tchrist

Um, no.

Cerberus

Did you have a different outlook when you were 20?

tchrist

I imagine: I was living in Madrid when I was 20. But I still wasn’t a “party” person.

Ah, its name is Cheeseman. I’d forgotten.

Cerberus

03:45

Sure.

tchrist

Cheesman Park, Denver

Cheesman Park is an urban park and neighborhood located in the City and County of Denver, Colorado, United States. Geography Cheesman Park is located in central Denver, southeast of downtown. The Park has inexact borders, as it is framed on 3 sides by private residences, but is located in center of the Cheesman Park neighborhood, between Humboldt Street on the west, Race Street and Denver Botanic Gardens on the east, 13th Avenue on the north, and 8th Avenue on the south. The neighborhood's borders are approximately: *West: Downing Street *East: York Street *North: Colfax Avenue *South: ...

Cerberus

Clubs are kind of eww.

I have just come home from one. Very meh.

tchrist

I imagine. Do they still smoke there?

Cerberus

It is totally illegal and forbidden, but, yes.

I am stinking of smoke big time now.

tchrist

Here they have outdoor patios for that.

Cerberus

03:47

Apparently, Holland is the only country in Europe where people ignore the smoking ban.

user19161

Ah, since cornbread is not here to gossip with me, I am leaving this chat...

Cerberus

Aww.

But I don't care for partying much.

tchrist

You need more Germanism, respect for the law, in case the children are watching.

Cerberus

It is rather all the social gatherings, shops, musea, theatres, canals, architecture, the presence of interesting people...

tchrist

Denver is 45 minutes away by car. Too far to go to go out drinking, and get home alive.

Cerberus

03:49

Pah. Bikers don't stop for traffic lights either.

It's not quite Rome, but it must seem like that to Germans!

Befehl ist Befehl.

tchrist

I really must retire. I got up because the winds were too loud.

Cerberus

Of course.

Happy retiring.

tchrist

I’m jubilated by the idea, I assure you.

Night.

Cerberus

Yay.

@tchrist Why the passive btw.?

Can an idea jubilate you?

MετάEd

If it can jubilate Deo, it can jubilate TChrist.

Cerberus

04:10

@MετάEd Newsflash: Latin ≠ English!

And Tchrist ≠ God.

MετάEd

And one egg is not un oeuf to make a good breakfast, but it is un oeuf to make a good pun which one should know better than to spoil. Because a spoiled pun is no better than a spoiled egg.

Cerberus

Meh now you're spoiling my fun.

Dissent and all.

Mahnax

04:47

glances wildly from side to side

Noah

05:35

Hi guys.

Can somebody explain the difference between the following: I wake up to the same face for the past 4 years. I have woken up to the same face for the past 4 years, or I have been waking up to the same face for the past 4 years. A friend wants to know and I dont know how to properly answer it.

@Cerberus

@MετάEd

Cerberus

06:04

@Noah Umm I would say "have woken up" is the standard construction here.

Noah

What if it's a habitual thing?

Cerberus

"Wake up" sounds...very informal, possibly wrong. I wouldn't use the present simple with a past event.

@Noah That is habitual in this context.

"Have been waking up" sounds like a rather informal version of "have woken up": possible, but why not use fewer words?

Noah

Okay. But we use it all the time. I mean native speakers do.

Cerberus

Sure.

Noah

Okay. But we use it all the time. I mean native speakers do.

Cerberus

06:07

Sure.

Noah

So you think the the second one is the proper one?

Cerberus

Yes.

Mahnax

Good evening.

Noah

Okay

Cerberus

Evening!

Noah

06:07

How can I explain this to her in simple terms?

Cerberus

Past event(s) => no present simple.

And use the continuous (be + -ing) only when necessary or informally.

What genre is she writing in anyway?

Mahnax

How are you all doing?

Noah

@Mahnax Evening

Cerberus

In speech, I don't think many people will object to have been waking up.

Hello.

Noah

We are good.

Mahnax

06:10

@Noah Royalty, art thou?

Noah

Okay. Fiction

@Mahnax Fine and thou

Mahnax

@Noah I'm doing very well, thank you.

Noah

Good to know

Mahnax

Well, this has been lovely, but I just realized how many hours of sleep I'll be able to get if I stay up any later and it's not looking good. Bye!

Noah

Bye

Cerberus

06:16

G'night!

I'm off to bed too.

Noah

@Cerberus Okay, me TOO.

Everyone is going off

lol

G'night

Cerberus

Bai!

Johan Larsson

07:00

@Cerberus are you in Amsterdam now?

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Yes!

But I am also supposed to be in bed.

So you haven't seen me!

user72446

its 9:06 in the morning here in europe, a fine time to wake up and get ready for the day :)

Cerberus

It's 9:07!

Not-such-a-fine time to go to bed...

But I should.

Johan Larsson

07:49

@Cerberus that was why I asked, I just woke up in CET

tchrist

14:25

Who can guess this user’s sex?

whippoorwill

13 2

punctuation idioms list measuring-units numbers orthography parentheses

I guess she’s a she. Why, I can’t tell you for sure, but I really think so.

The funny thing is she never makes NNS errors, but she asks questions that I kinda feel are ones a native speaker would not.

Robusto

14:44

Hmm.

tchrist

Oh hey, I have K thing for ya.

Robusto

@tchrist She used a z in -ize endings where a Brit would spell it -ise, but varies between single and double quotes for quoted material. Also, "Without recasting the following sentence, is the possessive of the quoted song title correctly punctuated as exampled?" It's an odd verbing but not beyond the pale, yet it feels NNS-ish to me.

@tchrist Oh K

tchrist

What a useless git:

Lol -- @tchrist You were told it was a term? @4 others: That was fun, right? — Kris 9 hours ago

Pissed me off so much for yanking my chain with a useless invented non-answer that I delete-voted it.

Robusto

I added mine.

tchrist

@Robusto Oxford dons use -ize.

So they say.

Robusto

14:52

Why would an Oxford don ask those questions, though?

tchrist

But OUP is something of an izland in that regard.

Heh.

Robusto

What's K's objection to the use of term there? That's what it is.

tchrist

Bet it’ll be easier to get two others than the four others he’s mocking.

Robusto

The good news is, he's gradually outing himself as a troll.

tchrist

At this rate, it will take a long time till he reaches Thirsty Again territory.

Wonder how any of these comments contribute much to the point. — Kris 3 hours ago

I wonder where he thinks he is:

On ELU, this would be considered general reference. — Kris yesterday

Please check the dictionaries and update the question, we are too lazy to that. :) — Kris 2 days ago

Apparently we are also too lazy to proofread.

Robusto

15:08

Speaking of K:

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A: Voting is anonymous?

How is one supposed to respond to the above comment? I think your best course of action would be to explain your downvote. After all, an established user like you must have a good reason for downvoting, right? (I assume your downvotes are based on objectively evaluating answers, downvoting t...

J.R. has answered his question in a sly, suggestive manner that really gets to the point. Yet he has received as many down votes as up for it.

tchrist

Weird.

Robusto

Given that K is (presumably) one of the down votes, the other two might have been mistakes, misunderstandings of the satirizing nature of the answer.

> After all, an established user like you must have a good reason for downvoting, right?

tchrist

Isn’t it curious that the StackExchange asks, and has a place in your public profile, for age but not sex?

Robusto

Hahahaha.

I dunno. I think neither is relevant, or of any use.

tchrist

I wasn’t asking that sex be added so much as that age be subtracted.

People get too negative about ages, so if they were subtracted, that would be a positive.

I don’t know why age is there, actually.

user72446

15:17

I would prefer that too, or at least make the field not appear if it is not filled out

tchrist

Do I prejudge Bill Frank as a crusty, cantankerous, curmudgeonly old coot just because he’s in his sixties, or do I prejudge Mahnmax as a energetic, industrious, well-spoken, and somewhat politely reserved kid just because he is in his teens?

No, I postjudge them, for by their postings shall ye know them.

Robusto

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A: Quantifying the amount of luck required to win a tournament

The common conditions/rules of being independent from luck in the tournament: 1) You are playing tournament with deep stacks and reasonable blind level lengths. It means turbo tournaments with 5 minutes per level contain enough luck-dependent situations. Not playing "turbos" will allow to avoid ...

Diapason? I've never heard that word used in this context. For me it's an organ term (music).

tchrist

Neither have I.

But OED 4b transf. and fig. sense reads “Entire compass, range, reach, scope.”

Robusto

Awfully erudite for a poker answer if it is figurative.

Most poker players would use the term "hand range" there.

tchrist

struggles to think of a gambit/gamut joke

Robusto

15:25

Well, hats off to M(x) in either case.

Or iHars, wevs.

tchrist

You know, we haven’t had any mods around for like 5–6 hours:

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A: Is the phrase "Please be informed that" grammatically correct?

[ offensive content removed ]

Nor much of anybody else, for that matter.

Robusto

@tchrist "As an actress, she runs the full gamut of emotions from A to B."

Oscar Levant, perhaps?

tchrist

But a poker player often makes a gambit, no?

Robusto

Chess players make gambits.

tchrist

Ah, thanks Sim.

Robusto

15:27

Sim?

tchrist

Yeah, well. She just now deleted the offensive post I just now mentioned. She may be a ghost. :)

Or else her real name is Sarah D.

If so, I don’t blame ’er: I’d’ve changed my last name too if I’d been born a Dippity.

Robusto

In other news, the arthritis in my right wrist is making some of the Italian Concerto painful, but the first movement is starting to get crisp. I just never know when a cross-under is going to trigger a stab of pain. I'll tackle the last movement next, then the middle one.

tchrist

Much more likely she just checked the flag queue or meta, actually; Andrew posted about it:

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A: Is it good or bad that a spam answer, even once deleted, still brings a question to the top?

It is generally counterproductive to bring old questions to the top of the list. Many users cannot see deleted answers and won't know why the question is there; and they will post an answer or a comment simply because they can. Those answers seem to be of lower quality than the existing answers, ...

Stabs of pain, bad.

Robusto

Yeah, but even scales are good.

tchrist

Meaning, even scales can trigger it, or that they do not?

Robusto

15:32

I knew you'd ask that.

Scales that are even in volume and meter are good.

tchrist

Interesting.

Is it more like a muscle cramp then, from increased tightness at a dynamic or meter shift?

Darn it, Nordy has been back again.

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Q: What is the correct way to refer to a web page that is part of the same website?

When referring to specific web pages that are part of the same website, should the name of the page be capitalized, put in quotation marks, or both? In other words, which of the following sentences is correct: If you would like to contact me, please complete the form on the contact page. If yo...

capitalization internet quotation-marks

english.stackexchange.com/questions/110581/…

@Robusto Yeah, that one was kinda weird.

However, the OED does have an entry for exampled as a participial adjective.

> Hence eˈxampled ppl. a., that is made an example. eˈxampling ppl. a., that sets an example.

Robusto

@tchrist If I rotate the radius around the ulna too far or too frequently, the place there the ulna meets the wrist hurts me.

Usually when the thumb crosses under the hand to continue a scale, especially if the stretch is wide.

Maybe it's just a matter of loosening it up.

If I went to PT that's all I'd be doing, to be sure: stretches.

But it also happens in certain full chords in the right hand, if the 5 finger is cocked at an odd angle to hit a key.

tchrist

15:53

Yeah, I bet.

Robusto

I'm curious about your use of the word diapason to mean (presumably) range. I've only ever heard the term used in a musical context. Do you commonly hear this word used in poker strategy/analysis? — Robusto 17 secs ago

The poster is from Minsk, Belarus.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

ya went a long way / from milan to minsk

rochelle, rochelle

user19161

16:08

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Ping ping!

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 What, from old Rochelle in Illinois to New Rochelle in New York? :) I think Milan to Minsk just might be further. . . . Yup, it is. 1,321 miles through Eurasia versus 844 miles through America.

RegDwighт

Why can't I comment on this question?

-1

Q: german tourist or German tourist?

I have learned that 'german' as a noun, written with upper case letter whilst 'german' as an adjective should be with lower case letter. Please guide me more by posting the rules if necessary, thank you.

editing structure translation

I see no link to leave a comment.

tchrist

It’s locked?

No.

I thought Des was a user here?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

seinfeld.wikia.com/wiki/Rochelle,_Rochelle

RegDwighт

From Paris to Minsk!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

16:12

►

tchrist

Guess not.

RegDwighт

Right, Milan to Minsk.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Layters.

tchrist

Paris to Minsk is only 8 miles further than from Milan.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

It is Mom Day.

Not to be confused with Mother's Day; Mom Day is a monthly event.

user19161

16:14

What is Mom Day?

tchrist

@RegDwighт Bug.

user19161

I guess Mom Day is a day you spend with Mom, QED.

RegDwighт

Want the points? Report it. I got grocery shopping to attend.

Later.

user19161

Off to the Showermobile, lol.

tchrist

16:27

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Q: Bug in comment link not appearing for trusted users and moderators

This question, which was migrated from Writers.SE to ELU, is missing its comment link: The posting is not locked (on ELU, the way it now is due to migration back on Writers), and neither trusted users nor moderators can see a comment link. One of our moderation closed it and then went to leave...

bug comments migrated-questions

tchrist

16:39

@RegDwighт Still closed back on Writers, but now unlocked. Looks like it should have gone to ELL instead. Is that allowed yet?

Cerberus

16:50

> many rose varieties are now patented, and the companies forbid you from propagating them via cuttings without paying. To them, it's like torrenting an illegal copy of the rose

Preposterous. This shouldn't be allowed.

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