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@jlliagre So will they understand my Spanish? And will I understand theirs?
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@Robusto You'll probably have a hard time understanding Mallorquí but as they are all bilingual, you'll have no problem communicating with them in Spanish. Differences between American and European Spanish do not prevent mutual intelligibility, at least for native or fluent speakers. Occasional differences in vocabulary are often easily sorted out.
@Robusto De res!
@jlliagre Catalan?
Yes
Interjection: de res
  1. you're welcome
I guessed that from context.
I think I'm going to faint.
1500+ meters of climbing and you're on a narrow road like this?
@Robusto Yes, the issue is they allow cars on bike paths... ;-)
@jlliagre Heh, I suspect you're joking and that is an actual road for cars. Which is funny because it's about the size of a bike path.
Our Little Johnny had a thirst, but now he is no more,
For what he thought was H2O was H2SO4
@Robusto You got it.
@CowperKettle We had a laugh about that one back in grade school.
It actually went like this:

Little Willy was a chemist
Little Willy is no more
What he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4
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@Robusto Ah!
It's the counterpart to Russian садистские стишки, also popular in the school
> Маленький мальчик нашел пулемет,
Больше в деревне никто не живет
And then there's this one:

He lit a match
To check the tank
So now they call him
Skinless Frank
> Дочка просила у мамы конфетку.
Мама сказала: «Сунь пальчик в розетку!».
Быстро обуглились детские кости.
Долго смеялись над шуткою гости.
@CowperKettle That's pretty, uh, grim.
DeepL fared better than Google Translate
Not by much.
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@Robusto Google did not understand that detskiye kosti meant not "children's bones", but the bones of this particular child. And DeepL somehow "understood" it (probably better fine-tuned)
OK, but that is still awful either way.
In Russian it sounds funny
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Haha. Dead heat.
@Robusto Did you pick hints?
@jlliagre I did on the last one. Did you?
@Robusto I didn't as they usually don't help me. You loose a line when you pick one, that's why I asked.
Yeah, usually not. But I was firing blanks on #3 so I gave it a try.
@jlliagre BTW, I think you mean "lose" a line, not "loose" it. A common mistake that even many Americans also make.
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@Robusto Aïe, bien sûr. J'essaie pourtant de faire attention.
@jlliagre C'est louable.
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Noun: dead heat (plural dead heats)
  1. (idiomatic) a close race or contest in which no winner is apparent
  2. Polls indicated a dead heat for the office of dog catcher.
A new phrase for me
> The Oxford English Dictionary attributes the term to horse racing. Meets formerly had the same horses run several "heats" in a day, with victors being decided by the total number of wins. A heat which had no clear single winner was discounted from these tallies and was therefore "dead".[2]
@CowperKettle It's used in French in that context.
Hippisme = horse racing
I thought it meant "a hippie expression"
Hippo race ;-)
> The Latin word hippopotamus is derived from the ancient Greek ἱπποπόταμος (hippopótamos), from ἵππος (híppos) 'horse' and ποταμός (potamós) 'river', together meaning 'horse of the river'.
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"I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas" is a Christmas novelty song written by John Rox (1902–1957) and performed by 10-year-old Gayla Peevey in 1953. The song peaked at number 24 on Billboard magazine's pop chart in December 1953. == History == Peevey was a child star who was born in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Her family moved to Ponca City, Oklahoma, when she was five. When released nationally by Columbia Records the song shot to the top of the charts, and the Oklahoma City Zoo acquired a baby hippo named Matilda.In October 1953, Peevey performed the song on The Ed Sullivan Show in an episode that...
There's a new series popular among youths and school kids in Russia about youth gangs in the late years of the USSR, titled "Slovo Patzana" (Youngster's Word). Lots of fighting reportedly there. I never watched it, I feel dread recalling the early 1990s, there was nothing romantic in youth gangs
Some jokers made a nice remake of the series' intro song, as if the series were shot by Pixar, in a cozy family movie style
It's probably a send up of the intro song, I don't know, I did not even listened to the original
The Boy's Word: Blood on the Asphalt (Russian: Слово пацана. Кровь на асфальте, romanized: Slovo patsana. Krov na asfalte) is a 2023 Russian crime drama television series directed by Zhora Kryzhovnikov and written by Kryzhovnikov and Andrey Zolotarev. It is based on the novel "The boy's Word: Criminal Tatarstan 1970—2010s" by Robert Garaev about the Kazan phenomenon. The series became very popular in Russia and other post-Soviet countries. == Plot == In the late 1980s, when “perestroika” was taking place in the USSR and the era of the Soviet Union was about to collapse, life became unstable and...
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The bucentaur ( bew-SEN-tor; bucintoro in Italian and Venetian) was the ceremonial barge of the doges of Venice. It was used every year on Ascension Day (Festa della Sensa) up to 1798 to take the doge out to the Adriatic Sea to perform the "Marriage of the Sea" – a ceremony that symbolically wedded Venice to the sea. Scholars believe there were four major barges, the first significant bucentaur having been built in 1311. The last and most magnificent of the historic bucentaurs made its maiden voyage in 1729 in the reign of Doge Alvise III Sebastiano Mocenigo. Depicted in paintings by Canaletto...
> The ship was destroyed in 1798 on Napoleon's orders to symbolize his victory in conquering Venice. In February 2008, the Fondazione Bucintoro announced a €20 million project to rebuild the 1729 bucentaur. Work started on 15 March 2008 at the Arsenale shipyard and naval dock.
Word of the morn: to slope off ("I saw you sloping off just after launch yesterday")
Not loping off?
Sloughing off?
Verb: slope off (third-person singular simple present slopes off, present participle sloping off, simple past and past participle sloped off)
  1. (informal, intransitive) To depart quietly, without being noticed.
Apparently it's from the mid-1800s in America. Can't say that I recall hearing it.
Like scoffing off even.
> Originally U.S.; perhaps formed by wrong analysis of let's lope (see lope v.), but compare some of the uses of slope v.1 1.
It's its own verb number 2. The normal one is verb number 1.
Oh, interesting
Like apron from napron
Rebracketing (also known as resegmentation or metanalysis) is a process in historical linguistics where a word originally derived from one set of morphemes is broken down or bracketed into a different set. For example, hamburger, originally from Hamburg+er, has been rebracketed into ham+burger, and burger was later reused as a productive morpheme in coinages such as cheeseburger. It is usually a form of folk etymology, or may seem to be the result of valid morphological processes. Rebracketing often focuses on highly probable word boundaries: "a noodle" might become "an oodle", since "an oodle...
> Conversely through aphaeresis a nadder became an adder, a napron became an apron, and a numble-pie became an (h)umble-pie.
> The spoken phrase a numble pie (a pie made from the entrails of a deer) was re-interpreted as an umble pie, then written as (a) humble pie, after which the figurative meaning developed.
Never knew that
03:33
Yep. Classics.
The English word outrage is a loanword from French, where it was formed by combining the adverb outre (meaning "beyond") with the suffix -age; thus, the original literal meaning is "beyondness" – that is, beyond what is acceptable.
Not to rage out in the world. :)
@CowperKettle I am thoroughly inraged by this knowledge
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I had a dream, and it was weird. We prepared for some feast, for some reason it was in an old school building's sports hall. Me and some woman went to fetch something in a room adjacent to the hall, probably additional chairs or something, and I urinated in the corner of the room. The woman was shocked, and I explained that I did it this way when I was in school. I was embarrased during the following feast.
Geography of the day: globe gore
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And no, and outrance isn't the opposite of an entrance. :)
> The greatest degree; a degree which goes beyond bounds or measure; extremity. to (also unto) (the) outrance: to the utmost, to the bitter end, to the death. at outrance: at the last extremity. to fight to (also at) (the) outrance: to fight to the death. Cf. à outrance adv.
> 1876 I received order of my prince to keep this gate, and this gate I will keep to the outrance! — T. W. Robertson, Caste ii. 22
> c 1425 Þi malys..hast on hem kyd þi felle myȝt, Of þi rancour hooly þe outtraunce. — J. Lydgate, Troyyes Book (Augustus MS. A.iv) iv. 4487 (Middle English Dictionary)
@CowperKettle Dreams in which you find yourself peeing in weird places always mean you need to wake yourself up before it's too late. :)
@tchrist Yeah this kind of usage I was corrected for. Not by Mitch. Either by you or CowperKettle.
IIRC
Me, I quoted.
So I still have more scenarios where I can use since and time together, where perfect tense is not necessary.
I mean perfect continuous tense.
@alphabet And it is correct right?
04:31
I hadn't been thinking otherwise.
But don't use too much -ing stuff in the wrong places if you can help it. :)
@jlliagre That's curious.
@Vikas Yes.
> My neighbor Totorov
Yes, Yakutia (Sakha) is cool
Current weather in Yakutsk: -38°C
@CowperKettle Hardly worth the bother to add the C to that one. :)
04:40
@CowperKettle Yeesh. Can you understand his speech?
Yekaterinburg is in the tropics compared to that place!
@Robusto No, he's speaking a native language
I thought it didn't sound like Russian.
He uses some Russian-rooted words, like temperatura, davlenie (pressure), and gradus (degree). Well, Russian borrowed those roots too. Except davlenie
And temperaturny graphic (temperature chart)
Indeed.
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Why no ice? Why so cold?
Siberia has the northernmost treeline in the planet, despite having such cold winters.
He has a strange affectation. He uses the definite article in front of Hudson Bay.
The answer to all this is because of summer.
Not winter.
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@CowperKettle The language is Sakha, according to their other videos.
Yakut yə-KOOT, also known as Yakutian, Sakha, Saqa or Saxa (Yakut: саха тыла), is a Turkic language belonging to Siberian Turkic branch and spoken by around 450,000 native speakers, primarily the ethnic Yakuts and one of the official languages of Sakha (Yakutia), a federal republic in the Russian Federation. The Yakut language differs from all other Turkic languages in the presence of a layer of vocabulary of unclear origin (possibly Paleo-Siberian). There is also a large number of words of Mongolian origin related to ancient borrowings, as well as numerous recent borrowings from Russian. Like...
> The Yakut language differs from all other Turkic languages in the presence of a layer of vocabulary of unclear origin (possibly Paleo-Siberian). There is also a large number of words of Mongolian origin related to ancient borrowings, as well as numerous recent borrowings from Russian.
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in link text in body, link at beginning of body, pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad asn for hostname in body (305): Home Health Care in Dubai‭ by Momina Abid‭ on english.SE
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@tchrist You can check the latitudes of Sochi and Vladivostok, and then check their current weather, to be amused :)
 
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@tchrist French horse racing vocabulary includes a few other English words like bookmaker, driver, jockey, lad, starter, sulky, turf, yearling. Some like crack, derby (Sports), outsider, paddock (Formula 1) have a widen usage.
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A proteolysis targeting chimera (PROTAC) is a heterobifunctional molecule composed of two active domains and a linker, capable of removing specific unwanted proteins. Rather than acting as a conventional enzyme inhibitor, a PROTAC works by inducing selective intracellular proteolysis. PROTACs consist of two covalently linked protein-binding molecules: one capable of engaging an E3 ubiquitin ligase, and another that binds to a target protein meant for degradation. Recruitment of the E3 ligase to the target protein results in ubiquitination and subsequent degradation of the target protein via the...
Amazing.
 
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Wasn't this graph posted to this chat? imgur.com/gallery/pudl7bJ
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Either way, I'm disappointed about the lack of rigor
 
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@Laurel Nice
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@CowperKettle Yes, but the French word is spelled exactly the same way: un outrage. But the meaning is different. Sure, in French, beyondness. :)
@CowperKettle I don't buy it either. I think there are people who like to take the piss by making up entries. There is also: slouch off
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I only managed to find these. Seems very rare.
> Researchers mapped genetic blueprints for 51 species including cats, dolphins, kangaroos, penguins, sharks, and turtles, using novel algorithms and computer software that cut the sequencing time from months—or decades in the case of the human genome—to a matter of days
Wow
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> Waste not, want not. —Proverb
Wait not, want not.—Rebuttal to proverb
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Etymology of the day: chevron (Borrowed from French chevron (“rafter, chevron”), the mark so called because it looks like rafters of a shallow roof, from Vulgar Latin *capriō, from Latin caper (“goat”), the likely connection between goats and rafters being the animal's horns.)
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Justification: all good things are worth waiting for @Robusto
Word of the midnight: nummular headache
@user85795 Like a lifesaving emergency surgery?
If successful, I'd say yes.
What if you need it right now?
@user85795 You know I'm right and that your premise is over-broad and otherwise flawed, so why not just admit it before I have to up the ante? ;-)
How badly do I want to live?
In this post pandemic political nut house.
(for the sake of argument :)
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Y'know what? I gotta admit that the FLEECE vowel is just [iː].
'Cause I figured out how to stress the /j/ in "yeast".
The GOOSE vowel is still [ʉw], though.
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@DannyuNDos Not it isn't either. Don't be gewsing us like that.
That sounds like the Honest Trailers guy saying "boobs" (bewwwwbs).
I think you're confusing [ʉ] to [y]?
@DannyuNDos Nope.
[ʉ] sounds perfectly fine to me.
@DannyuNDos This varies a fair amount between dialects; in BrE it starts closer to [ʉ], and in AmE closer to [ʊ~u]
Unless you're from California:
@Robusto The vowels will sound quite different on different IPA charts, because the way the IPA represents vowels doesn't correspond to how people hear them. Compare the sound on that chart to this one: ipachart.com
People hear vowels in terms of formants. Attempting to describe them in purely articulatory terms just doesn't work very well and creates inevitable inconsistencies between different versions of these charts with audio recordings.
In BrE (and parts of California) the glide in GOOSE starts further forward than in GenAm but there's a fair amount of variability.
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@alphabet I hate those fucking charts the way I hate IPA. A hieratic transcription symbology for those who can't agree on anything. That's why we have to call things the "goose" vowel instead of ... whatever.
@Robusto "The GOOSE vowel" can be written /u/, which is different from [u]
It's a phoneme, not a phonetic realization of one
Sep 29, 2013 at 12:50, by Robusto
The only thing abstraction can't cure is too many layers of abstraction.
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@Robusto I resemble that.
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Good bot.
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@tchrist: You've never been rickrolled like this. ^
@Robusto But it has "rickrolled" in the title!
@Laurel But it's a surprise anyway.
@Robusto You're doing it wrong!
AAARRHRH tryna teach people who don't meme to meme lol
OK, sorry, but I only meant this for Tom. He's really the only regular in chat who digs this kind of music.
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@Laurel now do emojis
@Robusto That's really quite good.
@Robusto No he isn't.
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"Thanks to Stalin for the Victory on 9 May 1945", a photo I snapped on Saturday at a bus stop
> Stress-relieving songs typically fall into two categories: mellow tunes in major mode or energetic tracks in minor mode. neurosciencenews.com/musics-traits-stress-25532
@Robusto So like a meme pidgin? :p

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