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Dannyu NDos
Dannyu NDos
00:22
@alphabet You see, the proportion is 83.8%, but that still means the complement is 16.2%, about ⅙. Though AFAIK, those 16.2% mostly consists of elder people. My prof, aged 65, is one of them.
And I actually oppose eating dogs. They're supposed to be predators, not preys.
Robusto
Robusto
@alphabet There's only a single answer with no votes. It has been accepted, however, but by a low-rep (infinitesimal-rep?) user, which is a hazard of the system.
Daily Octordle #709
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tchrist
tchrist
00:42
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tchrist
tchrist
00:59
Deaths. Hospitalizations.
Robusto
Robusto
01:34
Daily Sequence Octordle #709
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jlliagre
jlliagre
Daily Octordle #709
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Robusto
Robusto
@jlliagre I'm having a tough time with Blossom today. I keep wandering away from it and going back.
jlliagre
jlliagre
Daily Sequence Octordle #709
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jlliagre
jlliagre
01:57
@Robusto Just started it. Not easy indeed.
Laurel
Laurel
02:15
Blossom Puzzle, January 3
Letters: C H I E P R T
My score: 226 points
My longest word: 8 letters
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I don't know if this is a good score or not lol since this is the first one I tried
Apparently I only made words that were 6, 7, or 8 long too
Xanne
Xanne
02:28
The Lewis and Clark expedition in the United States ate dogs.
jlliagre
jlliagre
02:44
Blossom Puzzle, January 3
Letters: C H I E P R T
My score: 267 points
My longest word: 8 letters
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Robusto
Robusto
wBlossom Puzzle, January 3
Letters: C H I E P R T
My score: 232 points
My longest word: 7 letters
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@jlliagre Nice job!
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I've been slipping on my last two games. Had a great 300+ streak going.
jlliagre
jlliagre
Yes, the first game I win but I'm yet to reach 300.
alphabet
alphabet
03:14
I would like to brag about how many Internet points I got last year
Dunno how my year reputation is higher than my total reputation
Anyway, I now plan to start using my powers for evil
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Laurel
Laurel
7
A: In the annual rep league, why isn't the difference between rep earned this year and total rep always the same?

LaurelThe reputation league numbers ignore losses from "private reputation events" such as deleted posts and the -1 from downvotes you cast, the same stuff that is not shown publicly in your profile. Your total reputation obviously doesn't ignore this. Thus, it looks like your numbers are off. In 2017...

@alphabet I had to remind some of my friends that you can make New Year's resolutions to do evil
Robusto
Robusto
@alphabet I am resting on my, er, laurels. Present company excepted.
alphabet
alphabet
From now on, all of my posts will contain subtle messages supporting Monsanto, Big Pharma, and/or Mohammed bin Salman.
Mitch
Mitch
03:45
@alphabet don't forget everyday evils like leaving a grocery cart in the middle of a parking space or stopping at a 4 way stop and 'letting' others go first
alphabet
alphabet
@Mitch You see, I don't have a car, so I avoid those evils. Which is why I should be allowed to do other evil things to compensate.
Laurel
Laurel
04:03
@alphabet The greater evil would be obtaining a car just for that purpose…
jlliagre
jlliagre
04:38
latimes.com/archives/…
Как я съел собаку
alphabet
alphabet
@jlliagre Pure evil. Hope they all get rabies.
 
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alphabet
alphabet
06:37
Word of the day (night?): spiel. I recently learned that some people pronounce it with /sp/ instead of /ʃp/. The same doesn't happen to similar loanwords like shtick; I suspect it's because the spelling of spiel doesn't make the unusual consonant cluster obvious.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
07:20
> Spoil his salvation for a fierce Miss Kread
 
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MetaEd
MetaEd
13:33
Wordle 929 2/6

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jlliagre
jlliagre
13:52
Wordle 929 5/6

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@alphabet Gigots de chiens flanqués de ratons, mmm, sound delicious!
 
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Robusto
Robusto
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Wordle 929 3/6

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Robusto
Robusto
15:48
Daily Sequence Octordle #710
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jlliagre
jlliagre
16:20
Daily Octordle #710
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Robusto
Robusto
16:50
I remember a sign in a poolroom (billiard parlor) I used to hang out in when I was 16 or so, which said "No Massa Shots!" I wondered if this was some kind of throwback to antebellum days in the Old South (which would have been odd, considering I lived in the North). Only later did I learn they had misspelled massé, which is a kind of billiard shot that puts a lot of spin on the cue ball, enabling it to curve. Curious way to pronounce massa, IMO.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Robusto early unicode fallback? :D
Robusto
Robusto
@MetaEd They didn't have Unicode in the Magic Marker app.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Robusto this shows that comic sans is actually better than the alternative
Robusto
Robusto
Comic Sans gets a bad rap. It's not just for elementary school anymore!
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Robusto Comic Sans isn´t really the problem. The problem is Comic Sans users.
Robusto
Robusto
17:01
Jun 28, 2012 at 14:45, by Robusto
I'm getting to the point where Arial Rounded Bold looks like Comic Sans to me.
Blossom Puzzle, January 4
Letters: A E M T N S U
My score: 278 points
My longest word: 9 letters
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Another low-scoring day.
MetaEd
MetaEd
17:47
@alphabet That could be regional -- I learned it with the sh-sound, but I grew up in a region where German was still spoken pretty often -- Iowa. Might be the same, say, in Pennsylvania. Just a hypothesis, I have no facts to back this up.
jlliagre
jlliagre
18:25
@alphabet I was surprised when I heard that English speakers pronounce Einstein with a /st/ instead of the expected /ʃt/.
MetaEd
MetaEd
18:38
@jlliagre Me too when I heard people pronounce Washington without the expected "r".
Robusto
Robusto
@jlliagre My grandmother, who spoke Yiddish as her first language, put the Germanic initial /s/ on all kinds of words, so much so that it "shpilled" over onto other words: "Don't throw shtones or you'll get a good shmack!"
Lambie
Lambie
/ʃt/ is usually final in English...
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Lambie maybe I should try to say it at the moment of my death
that should convince people that it's final
alphabet
alphabet
@jlliagre Curiously, people usually pronounce Wittgenstein with an initial /v/ and a /ʃt/ sound. I suspect it's because the name Wittgenstein is mostly known to the sorts of academics concerned with pronouncing things "correctly."
MetaEd
MetaEd
@alphabet yeah, when do you ever hear that name outside of a classroom
alphabet
alphabet
18:52
@Lambie Indeed. Loanwords that violate normal phonotactic constraints often get modified to be easier for native speakers to pronounce; presumably that's why some speakers have changed spiel to start with /sp/.
MetaEd
MetaEd
why don't they substitute shtpt, that's easier
alphabet
alphabet
Compare how many people pronounce tsar as /sɑɹ/ (or /zɑɹ/) rather than /t͡sɑɹ/, since English doesn't allow words to start with /ts/.
MetaEd
MetaEd
I think people actually have no problem with inital "ts", they pronounce tse-tse fly properly
alphabet
alphabet
I've heard people pronounce tse-tse without the initial /t/.
Likewise people often pronounce Dmitri with an extra syllable (/dɪˈmi.tɹi/) since English doesn't allow words to start with /dm/.
Lambie
Lambie
I thought most people said: teatsee. Initial t seems like a sine qua non....
Robusto
Robusto
18:58
@alphabet It's not a question of permission but of practice.
Lambie
Lambie
But Dmitri in Russian or Greek is pronounced as dim-ee-tree. It is just written as Dm as if it weren't.
alphabet
alphabet
@Robusto It really is a matter of permission, in that there are specific rules governing which consonant clusters can start and end syllables in native English words; those rules typically get applied to loanwords, though not always.
Robusto
Robusto
I've definitely heard people drop the initial vowel in "... 't's all right by me."
Which means the first word starts with /ts/.
MetaEd
MetaEd
tsunami?
Robusto
Robusto
@MetaEd Another good one.
alphabet
alphabet
19:00
@Lambie Listen to the recording in Russian here
It's only 2 syllables in Russian. /ˈdmʲitrʲɪj]/
Robusto
Robusto
I grew up saying tsuris for "aggravation" because my grandma used the word.
alphabet
alphabet
@MetaEd Indeed. And another one where many people say it without the initial /t/.
MetaEd
MetaEd
I mean, I can imagine people having trouble saying tzatziki tzautze
alphabet
alphabet
Or put "Дмитрий" into Google Translate and listen to both; the English version of Dmitri has an extra syllable there.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@alphabet there's hardly even a D in that pronunciation
alphabet
alphabet
19:11
@MetaEd I suspect Russian speakers find the /d/ much more obvious.
MetaEd
MetaEd
I think I'll just stick with Ми́тька
Lambie
Lambie
If the D were not there, it would be mitry, which it isn't. Come on now.
MetaEd
MetaEd
I don't know, I think Mitry is pretty Demetrius.
Robusto
Robusto
19:25
@alphabet Russians find many things more obvious. For example, they have a "soft" L and a "hard" L. I can't even hear the difference.
MetaEd
MetaEd
is that a soft-palate L vs a hard-palate L?
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
@Robusto The L in kilt is hard, the L in Billy is soft
Robusto
Robusto
@CowperKettle Yeah, I don't hear a difference. My ear isn't attuned to that.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
If you stop just shot of pronouncing the y in Billy, you'll get an ending soft L
Like in the Russian word стиль
стиль = style; is read as stil'
Robusto
Robusto
Russian is another one that uses the "sh" sound for some initial 's' sounds. Like стиль.
I wonder if that is universal in Eastern Europe.
@CowperKettle Don't you say "shtil" instead of stil?
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
19:35
штиль means calm weather, no wind at all (esp. at sea)
in стиль, the first sound is "s", not "sh"
Robusto
Robusto
OK, how do you pronounce "chair" in Russian? With /s/ or /sh/?
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
You mean кресло? With /s/
Robusto
Robusto
No, I mean стул.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
With /s/
c = /s/
ш = /sh/
Robusto
Robusto
OK, I was taught to to pronounce it shtul.
I want that year of Russian tuition back.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
19:38
шоппинг = /shoppin/
LOL
Robusto
Robusto
@CowperKettle Yeah, I know the Russian alphabet.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@CowperKettle - yeah at least the way I pronounce them, that's soft-palate (back) vs hard-palate (front)
Robusto
Robusto
Of course, I may be misremembering after all these decades. Shtill ...
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Фредерик Шопен, Friedrich Chopin
tchrist
tchrist
You guys are all pretending that sibilants are the same between languages. They very much are not so.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
19:41
Ш is so easier to write than sh, you шould really borrow it.
Oops, looks too much like "w"
Robusto
Robusto
We don't pronounce Хрущёв the way Russians do. More like Kruss-chef.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Robusto growing up we pronounced it kroos-choff
Mitch
Mitch
...shareholders are suing him for securities fraud, claiming that Cohen misled investors by using the emoji...to suggest that the stock was going “to the moon.” ... “There is no way to establish objectively the truth or falsity of a tiny lunar cartoon,”.... That argument was denied, and the court held that “emojis may be actionable.”
Robusto
Robusto
@MetaEd That's closer to the original, but no cigar.
Mitch
Mitch
🌝
and I mean it to sting
Robusto
Robusto
19:55
Emojis are in the eye of the beholder.
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd It'll convince them that it's an omen of death
tchrist
tchrist
See final sentence:
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto Beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick
tchrist
tchrist
> Spanish has an alveolar sibilant (Martínez Celdrán, Fernández
Planas & Carrera-Sabaté 2003) with a number of possible realizations
(e.g. Salcedo 2010; Zampaulo 2013). The two most important pronunciations
for the purpose of this study are: the lamino-alveolar sibilant (ese
predorsal in Spanish) [s̻ ] and the apicoalveolar sibilant [s̺]
(ese castellana). The former is produced with the tongue blade making
light contact with the alveolar ridge. A groove is formed along the
surface of the tongue through which air passes producing noisy sibilance
> and may even be auditorily confused with /ʃ/ by non-native speakers of Spanish
Mitch
Mitch
Shhhh...
tchrist
tchrist
19:57
No, [s̺] [s̺] [s̺] [s̺] [s̺].
Not the same thing. That's an /s/.
Not a /ʃ/.
Mitch
Mitch
My browser renders all those identically
tchrist
tchrist
FYB
Next up, Chinese sibilants.
Mitch
Mitch
Now we're talking
To make things more on topic though, Chinese donuts...
I mean there's no accounting for taste...
but the stuff they put inside them...
let's just say I never expect that.
That's my polite wave-away way of saying I don't like them
or more what I want to say, they're disgusting
I mean that in the best way possible
The outside of the donut is just fine.
but inside it's bean paste, on the order of very very thick refried beans, if that's what you know.
There should be signs on them saying "If you like bean paste, you'll love these donuts."
Which is a sign to me to stay away.
What's the difference between a yeast donut and a cake donut? I mean I get kinda the baking difference. What are some examples of each. I feel like I'm behind on my natural history of donuts.
Look man I just like eating them...it don't mean I know anything about them.
Laurel
Laurel
@tchrist No, you can't do this otherwise you'll confuse any cats in chat who will think you're hissing at them :p
Mitch
Mitch
20:13
or shnakesh
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch or Shhhean Connery
Mitch
Mitch
20:43
Or Donald Duck
MetaEd
MetaEd
21:36
@Mitch or about Shufferin' Shuccotash
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch Sometimes I wonder.
Laurel
Laurel
22:19
0
Q: Rising Pitch as the only minimal pair differentiator? The "cot" - "caw" [split? semi-merge? something else?]

Quack E. DuckCanonically, English is not a tonal language, and there are a number of posts on this site discussing why the use of rising tone in asking a question does not qualify (the reason being that it doesn't actually change the definitions of words). This question is about something different. There is ...

terminology tone split mergers minimal-pairs
I can't help but think this is squarely on topic
alphabet
alphabet
@Laurel Agreed, voted to reopen.
tchrist
tchrist
He's pretty confused, about many things. It will take some time for us to disabuse him of these, or him us.
And who knows what's left once that all shakes out.
alphabet
alphabet
Q&A sites are how we unconfuse people.
tchrist
tchrist
Most everything he says is wrong.
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist Who?
tchrist
tchrist
22:26
Or wrong except for his ideolect.
Mitch
Mitch
The poster of that question?
tchrist
tchrist
Yes.
Mitch
Mitch
Yeah I agree with you that ... that that's not the way I think I speak or think most other people think.
But that would be a reasonable answer.
Also, the question isn't just 'Is there a name for this?', it's 'is this a thing?'
tchrist
tchrist
Firs of all I don think mos people canno say a final .
Mitch
Mitch
and it certainly could be a thing.
@tchrist That was what I thought too, trying it and nearly choking
Laurel
Laurel
22:29
It would probably be helpful for someone to ask OP to get some examples from Youglish or something
tchrist
tchrist
Secon of autum I don thin key mean dipthong when he said i.
Laurel
Laurel
What accent do we think OP has anyway
tchrist
tchrist
No idea.
Robusto
Robusto
Sounds like Cockney if he drops (or swallows) the terminal /t/.
Mitch
Mitch
I've seen a paper that discussed the origin of tones in a nontonal language (like Punjabi or ... is Swedish tonal?). It's basically one option out of many to distinguish vowels... rather a tone can arise out of a (non-tonal vowel difference) like if the articulation merges but the distinction is still needed so the difference evolves into a tone.
Or something like that
Laurel
Laurel
22:31
For some reason I can only imagine like a caricature of a southern accent in my head rn with this question :/
tchrist
tchrist
And who makes a diphthong out of ma and pa or the crows?
Mitch
Mitch
You don't know what you're gonna get out of a southener
tchrist
tchrist
Hee Haw!
Mitch
Mitch
Sometimes you reduce a diphthong to a monphthong
sometimes you extend a monophthong into a tetraphthong
tchrist
tchrist
I bet he can't say salt.
Mitch
Mitch
22:33
i'm just gonna come up with excuses to use words with 'phth' in them
@tchrist Dare him
ol'
li'l
(et)'lanna
hm
Laurel
Laurel
@Mitch Have you been struck by diphtheria?
Mitch
Mitch
maybe there's something to it
@Laurel I have an awful phthysis coming on
probably contracted autochthonally
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch You can't make napalm without naphtha.
Mitch
Mitch
from my cousin Lloyd
Robusto
Robusto
Feel free to use that one.
tchrist
tchrist
22:35
I bet he has the porcine version of the salt–sow merger. Must be a Hoosier.
Mitch
Mitch
add as you please, it's a community creation
Laurel
Laurel
@tchrist Is that like a bacon merger?
tchrist
tchrist
@Laurel Sooooooooouuuuueeeeeeyyyy!
Laurel
Laurel
Soy?????
Mitch
Mitch
also
1) it's "phthisis" (my mistake, no 'y'), and
2) TIL that's an awful disease, it's tuberculosis
@Laurel To be accurate 'sui'
as in 'sui generis'
Laurel
Laurel
22:38
Well at least he didn't mean it was soy bacon
Mitch
Mitch
He's the only pig of his kind
Robusto
Robusto
@Laurel That is positively baconic.
tchrist
tchrist
Iowa State Fair - Hog Calling Contest
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Mitch
Mitch
Knowledge is Power
and France is Bacon
Dannyu NDos
Dannyu NDos
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Power.
Such dystopia
Robusto
Robusto
22:41
Mar 9, 2011 at 12:57, by Robusto
Bacon is SO pre-breakfast. I'm into dragon-slaying now.
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto Your concision is very apophthegmatic
jlliagre
jlliagre
Blossom Puzzle, January 4
Letters: A E M T N S U
My score: 289 points
My longest word: 8 letters
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Your low scores are my highers!
I struggled a lot to reach a better score :-) A time consuming activity compared to the -rdle games.
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch Your concern is noted. Thank you.
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto You should see an ophthalmologist about your condition
I think 'diphtheria' is the last one, and there's already been enough medical visits
Which brings up the very practical question, is it possible to make incendiary explosives from moth balls?
Robusto
Robusto
@jlliagre Yeah. Lately I've been slacking off. I should probably make tentative lists with all the multiple letter combos before I start blooming actual blossoms.
Mitch
Mitch
22:44
you now with some other household substances
Laurel
Laurel
Wait bringing up this whole "phth" thing wasn't an attempt to cheat at one of these word games was it?
Mitch
Mitch
@Laurel 🌝
so sue me
tchrist
tchrist
Wherever salt sounds like [sɛ̝ɪɒəɤ̆]. Somewhere in Mitch's old haunts.
Mitch
Mitch
@Laurel You're questioning instead of playing the game. Surely Russian has some good 'only fricative' consonant clusters.
'fifths'
@tchrist It sounds like you just gargled some
without water
I was in SC not too long ago and man could they draw out a word to as many syllables as they felt like
I'm pretty sure I wrote it down
searches all my 'stuff'
1) I realize it was longer ago than I just thought
2) which means that it is probably in a file system that I currently do not have access to
for you young whippersnappers
hold on
my back
I didn't think it was suppoed to make sounds
OK now I'm OK
so you younger people (those under... say... to be generous...
struggles to choose a good number of decades
anyway, do you have video recordings of yourselves made by your parents when you were under ten years old?
Laurel
Laurel
@Mitch Like on Windows XP???
@Mitch I don't think I do, only photos
Mitch
Mitch
22:54
Like last century you had super8 movie cameras that old as shit people used to take movies of their kids in a baby pool. and you had to have them 'developed', probably at a little Kodak kiosk in the parking lot of the Piggly Wiggly. You picked up the developed film (in a tiny flat canister) a week later. and then you all watched once right then, then 20 years later after fixing the ancient projector.
Laurel
Laurel
My parents had a film camera for photos that they've never let me use. I'll probably never get to use it. They got to use my digital cameras tho, for some reason
alphabet
alphabet
Question: what is the point of buying a vest?
Mitch
Mitch
@Laurel the OS is not the problem, it's that it is on a different inaccessible system, either a laptop 2 laptops ago or an online system with an institution that I am no longer a member of or can remember the password for
alphabet
alphabet
They cover all the parts of your body that are the least likely to get cold.
Who purchases vests?
Other than traffic cops
Mitch
Mitch
@Laurel Now with phone cameras every body has thousands of photos that you never look at, but maybe share one with friends, but then it's gone.
@alphabet You should ask that on ELU
Laurel
Laurel
22:58
@alphabet If you just take them from the store without buying, that's a good way to get hunted down by someone wearing a vest and not of the traffic variety
alphabet
alphabet
Too bad there isn't a fashion stack exchange.
Mitch
Mitch
@alphabet There's the lead of the band who are the main competitors to the high school band in School of Rock. His entire existence for the movie was as the vector for the visual/spoken joke - instead of wearing a leather jacket with no arms, we wore leather arms with no jacket. And then he seduced the school's headmaster.
@alphabet I think I know why
alphabet
alphabet
@Mitch But Stack Exchange has so many fashion experts!
Mitch
Mitch
@alphabet THey're hiding it pretty well
alphabet
alphabet
23:13
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Incidentally, if you spend too much time looking for raccoon webcomics, you find the gay furry one.
The internet is a strange place.
tchrist
tchrist
I bet the user has the cat–cough merger.
They seem to think FATHER has a rounded vowel.
And that you don't pronounce T's.
So cats must sound like crows coughing.
Probably one of those weird accents from some sealocked isle on the Atlantic seaboard, unvisited by visitors for centuries.
Matinicus Isle. Tangier Island. St Croix Island.
Probably not Mackinac Island.
They sound normal. Those other places, not so much.
Isles Dernières.
Laurel
Laurel
@alphabet You can find those even without looking for any type of animal webcomic
tchrist
tchrist
23:32
How come you can have newly arrived visitors but not arrived visitors?
Because only news can arrive visitors. They can't do it on their own.
I don't think our axer is a native speaker, so all bets are off.
Quack E. Duck, Sitting at a desk somewhere
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So maybe where she comes from, crows talk funny.
That would explain many things.

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