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@alphabet I need to get back on top of it. I wrote a new resources post like Cat suggested but didn't post it yet.
My life feels chaotic (it's not but it feels like it is)
My life is chaotic because I make it chaotic
I am an agent of chaos
I am a raccoon with ADHD
00:45
Chain rhyme is a rhyme scheme that links together stanzas by carrying a rhyme over from one stanza to the next. A number of verse forms use chain rhyme as an integral part of their structures. One example is terza rima, which is written in tercets with a rhyming pattern ABA BCB CDC. Another is the virelai ancien, which rhymes AABAAB BBCBBC CCDCCD. Other verse forms may also use chain rhyme. For instance, quatrains can be written to the following pattern: AABA BBCB CCDC. There are a few well-known examples of chain rhyme in world literature. In the Persian language, chain rhyme is almost exclusively...
Le marabout est un jeu d'esprit. Il s'agit, à partir d'une expression initiale, de construire une suite d'expressions ou une suite de mots dont les premières syllabes correspondent phonétiquement aux dernières de l'expression précédente. == Présentation == Cette technique se nomme la concaténation. Elle est proche de l'anadiplose, figure de style qui consiste à reprendre le dernier mot d'une proposition au début de la proposition qui suit : « L'absence, c'est Dieu. Dieu, c'est la solitude des hommes. » (Jean-Paul Sartre, Le Diable et le Bon Dieu, acte 2). Son équivalent japonais est le shiritori...
En littérature, le dorica castra est une forme particulière de l'anadiplose qui se caractérise non par la reprise d'un même mot au début de l'unité syntaxique suivante mais par la reprise d'un même son de la fin d'une unité au début d'une autre unité. Le terme même « dorica castra » constitue un dorica castra, puisque le son ca à la fin de dorica est repris au début de castra. Cette figure est particulièrement utilisée dans la poésie latine pour son effet sonore[réf. souhaitée], mais l'exemple le plus connu est celui d'une comptine pour enfant. == Étymologie == L’expression latine Dorica castra...
01:26
@alphabet shiri doesn't just mean the "end"; it means the buttocks, a/k/a the ass.
01:43
> "Shiritori" literally means "taking the end" or "taking the rear."
> When climate activists protesting the building of a huge church complex in a natural park in the South of France scaled the construction site, the nuns gave chase.

One sister grabbed an environmentalist climbing an excavator but lost her grip and fell rolling into a pit. Two other nuns tried to hold down a protester, who shook loose. Sister Benoîte raced and tackled a running activist — and pushed him into a ditch.
I'm sure a game called "taking the ass" would, if played in schools, result in a complaint of some sort.
@Cerberus I mean, her actions were reprehensible, but she's kind of a badass, no? I didn't know being a nun involved street fights.
Quite violent!
I'm surprised a church is built at all.
Churches are converted to other uses all the time, because religion is dying.
Eh, building a new church certainly isn't the worst thing they could be doing.
Apparently there are "a growing number of pilgrims" there.
01:57
There are too many religious places here in South Korea. Churches, Cathedrals, Buddhist temples, and Won-Buddhist chapels.
More words from the good brother Mild Mary.
What priest would want to move to France? Age of consent there is 15; far too high.
> Pourtant, en 2020, alors que le permis de construire avait déjà été validé par l’État, l’évêque du diocèse a publié un décret pour s’opposer au projet d’église, qu’il jugeait démesuré. « L’objectif, c’est d’avoir un lieu de culte à nous, mais c’est aussi pour des questions de place et de sécurité », explique le frère Clément Marie.
And I belong to none of them because I converted to neo-paganism. Dang.
Apparently the age of consent in Italy is 14 (!) No wonder the Church has its headquarters nearby.
@DannyuNDos I recently learned about Japan's "Moonies" scandal and the subsequent allegations of ties to Korea: theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/10/…
02:04
So two fourteen-year-olds having sex is ok in Italy, but two thirteen-year-olds doing so are both guilty of statutory rape? Yes, that sounds odd.
That would seem unlikely.
Isn't that what the age of consent means?
Sex is normally allowed as long as you're close in age, regardless of any specific age limits.
@alphabet Oh, please don't worry whether I'm associated to that. After all, the gods I worship are Egyptian, Babylonian, Chinese, and Greek.
02:06
> It’s important to note that even if a minor is legally allowed to get married, engaging in sexual activities with their partner may still be considered statutory rape if the age of consent laws are not followed.
OK I didn't mean Puritanical countries.
I'm sure there are all sorts of different laws around the world.
> In Utah, the age of consent is 18 years old with a maximum age difference of 10 years. It is also illegal for anyone over the age of 18 to engage in sexual activity with someone who is under the age of 16.
@tchrist Google tells me that Italy has a "close in age" exemption allowing 13 year olds to have sex with other minors. Sounds reasonable /s
@Cerberus Not in much of the US
Sigh.
Just because your country is weird.
Apparently a thirty-year-old cannot marry an eighteen-year-old in Utah? Probably for the best.
02:09
It wasn't about your country.
Talians.
If only they admitted married priests, this would improve.
But this is France.
There are plenty of married creeps in the world, and organizations like the Boy Scouts have had similar issues; I don't think priestly celibacy is the root cause here
No, but neither does it help matters.
I doubt it makes much of a difference, but I'm open to being disproven
I can't say. I got out of the Boy Scouts pretty early because it was too Catholic for me.
Mixing camping and cults is weird.
> Brother Clement-Marie said it was an honest mistake on the form. “In France, for admin, we do so, so much paperwork,” he said, adding that in a dossier with dozens of pages, “it’s hard not to make one mistake.”
> The physical confrontations — which caused a brother to sprain his ankle and an activist to break a finger — were followed by an hourslong standoff in which the nuns sang “Ave Maria” at the protesters, who sat on the machines.
Perhaps it sounded nice, but I doubt it helped the finger.
02:27
Does Scouting have Catholic origins?
They should've hired Whoopi to make it more entertaining
Please tell me you own the entire CD.
What's a CD again?
(Sarcasm. I'm not that young.)
@alphabet Her tackle was clearly not inspired by God but by the Rugby World Cup.
Oh I think this is the Ave Maria, not the other one:
Ah, same track.
@jlliagre Donc je connais même pas les règles du jeu.
Yeah sure.
02:43
@tchrist A second sin by that nun. They seem to be more like a cult than anything.
Certainly in some senses of that word, yes.
> Homenaje externo de respeto y amor que el cristiano tributa a Dios, a la Virgen, a los ángeles, a los santos y a los beatos.
Not the dominant sense these days, that one.
@alphabet Yes. Also taking the ass. Depends on how raw you want to be.
It's amazing how a walk through that big river of Wikipedia will scarcely get your feet wet.
@tchrist I was using cult with its current English meaning, not like the French culte or Spanish culto which are neutral. I would have say secte in French.
Yes, the OED says those older and indeed original meanings are now rare in present-day English.
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Q: Does the word 'culte' have the same negative connotations in French as in English?

mikeI was quite shocked when in Strasbourg I read a plaque that said that something had been built by the 'culte catholique', but from the dictionary definition I cannot tell whether it is a polite synonym for religion. I'd appreciate an informed opinion.

02:52
> 2.b. 1875– A relatively small group of people having (esp. religious) beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister, or as exercising excessive control over members.
That's the new one.
@jlliagre Oh that's funny. Yes, it's a common mistake for learners.
> 3. 1711– In extended use: a collective obsession with or intense admiration for a particular person, thing, or idea.
@alphabet 👍
@Robusto Though "Taking the ass" has to be my favorite Chuck Tingle book
> 1. 1613– The action or an act of paying reverential homage to a divine being; religious worship. Now rare. In later use chiefly in historical or anthropological contexts.
@alphabet ¡Vete a tomar por culo! is the only thing that that brings to mind, and I wish it did not.
02:56
Almost as good as Pounded In The Butt By My Handsome Sentient Library Card Who Seems Otherworldly But In Reality Is Just A Natural Part Of The Priceless Resources Our Library System Provides
Next time we get a question about proper usage of nested quotation marks, remind me to refer to Pounded In The Butt By My Book "Pounded In The Butt By My Book 'Pounded In The Butt By My Book "Pounded In The Butt By My Book 'Pounded In The Butt By My Book "Pounded In The Butt By My Own Butt"'"'
No corporal punishment in this chat.
I don't think that's what those books are about, but I haven't read them, and I'm not sure anybody has.
@alphabet That soundclip is risible. It doesn't match the IPA.
@tchrist It's the British pronunciation, duh.
@alphabet But the stress isn't even what's written!
They don't specify that the vowels are so different, either.
03:04
Indeed. And surely the BrE spelling would be grabarse.
Their IPA says it's stressed on the first syllable, but the clip puts it on the second.
Yes, that.
And then they would have a TRAP-FATHER pairing.
Not that their TRAPs are quite where ours are.
Indeed. Shall I ask an ELU question about "grabarse"?
Curiously, I can't find any dictionary entries on grabarse (as an English word, at least). Do British people say grabass also, or do they not use either form?
03:10
@tchrist If you set it to US, you only get two
Seems AAVE.
I doubt it.
I need an etymology.
Just seems rude to me, something you say with your pals when you've been drinking not around the house with kids.
> OED's earliest evidence for grab-ass is from 1948, in the writing of T. Heggen.
Yep.
It's still coarse slang.
I'd've been eating soap if I said it growing up.
03:14
It sounds like it was originally (and in some cases still is) nonsexual.
@tchrist Was the soap thing ever real? Like, did anyone's mom actually do that, or is it just some weird legend?
I was well behaved.
Certainly the threat was commonly heard everywhere.
"If a mute swears in sign language, does his mom wash his hands out with soap?"
A joke I heard once
Washing out the mouth with soap is a traditional form of physical punishment that consists of placing soap, or a similar cleaning agent, inside a person's mouth so that the person will taste it, inducing what most people consider an unpleasant experience. This form of punishment was especially common in the United States and United Kingdom from the late 19th century until the mid-20th century. Washing out the mouth with soap is most often used as a response to profanity, lying, biting, tobacco use, or verbal disrespect. It functions both as a symbolic "cleansing" following the infraction and as...
> Former president George W. Bush recalled that his mother had washed his mouth out with soap for "getting fresh" with her.
I'm genuinely surprised that people use that phrase in a way that does not have sexual implications
I find it difficult to believe.
> Twencen: The Century of Rudeness
03:25
Are there any rhotic BrE speakers who actually pronounce "arse" with an /ɹ/?
Or course.
Cornwall, Bristol, probably Devon. Wherever Stephan Milo is from.
That is, objectively, the least sexy possible pronunciation possible of that word, which is already less sexy than the American version.
He's from Worcester.
> Stefan Milosavljevich is an English YouTuber who makes videos about human evolution and prehistory. Stefan grew up in Worcester, England.
West Midlands English is a group of dialects of the English language native to the English West Midlands. == County accents == Certain areas of the West Midlands are stereotyped as having stronger accents than others, Dudley in the Black Country being an example. There are some local phrases in the Black Country that are renowned. People do tend to substitute a reply of "arr" for "yes". Generally, most words are shortened, most commonly being "I haven't" to "I ay" (which can be argued as an even shorter form of "I ain't"). In the south of the West Midlands (southern Warwickshire and Worcestershire...
Is American rhotic comparable to Mandarin erhua (儿化)?
I cannot say, for I have no Mandarin. Ask me again when the satsumas come in. :)
03:30
The pronunciation of the phoneme /r/ in the English language has many variations in different dialects. == Variations == Depending on dialect, /r/ has at least the following allophones in varieties of English around the world: "Standard" R: labialized postalveolar approximant [ɹ̠ʷ] (a common realization of the /r/ phoneme worldwide, Received Pronunciation and General American included) "Bunched" or "Molar" R: labialized and pharyngealized velar bunched approximant [ɣ̞ʷˤ] (occurs in Southern American English and some Midwestern and Western American English most strongly); in fact, there is often...
It's complicated
[ɣ̞ʷˤ] is a horrific abuse of IPA
> Herefordshire and parts of Worcestershire and Shropshire have a rhotic accent, somewhat like the West Country, and in some parts of these counties, the local accent mixes features with the Welsh accent, particularly in places closer to the English–Welsh border.
Marginally related, but I've seen a French Algerian guy claiming that French R and Arabic Ayin are different.
And as for my pronunciation, I try to separate English R from [w].
@DannyuNDos Yes, might be /ʕ/.
So right and write would be pronounced different.
We don't do that.
We'd probably say [ɻʷʌɪ̯ʔ] except in liaison.
For both of those. How much "final T" you get will vary by utterance.
03:35
right [ɻ̝ajtʰ] / write [w˞ajtʰ]
Huh. I always assumed Korean had an /r/ sound, like in "Korea" itself. Apparently no, it's an [ɾ].
@alphabet Yeah. And it's not phonologically distinguished from [l].
@DannyuNDos Oh but you need to distinguish that from wight, so you need some R there.
@DannyuNDos That would turn write and white into homonyms, no?
@DannyuNDos Of course, [ɾ] does occur in American English, in place of /t/ and /d/ in words like metal and medal.
No, white has /hw/. :) That's why I chose wight. :)
03:36
Note the rhoticity symbol.
Eyes too dim.
And if you're wondering why I put aspiration symbol there, that's because they sounds like a strong ㅌ to me.
I'm not sure how you rhotacize /w/ without just replacing it with [ɻ]. I...think I can articulate that? It's tricky.
Must play-by-number, I truly did not see your wee R symbol there!
right [ɻ̝ajtʰ] / write [w˞ajtʰ] :: [ɻ̝ajtʰ]:
 ɻ̝	voiced retroflex approximant       	U+027B  LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED R WITH HOOK
	raised                             	U+031D  COMBINING UP TACK BELOW
 a	open front unrounded vowel         	U+0061  LATIN SMALL LETTER A
 j	voiced palatal approximant         	U+006A  LATIN SMALL LETTER J
 tʰ	voiceless alveolar plosive         	U+0074  LATIN SMALL LETTER T
	aspirated                          	U+02B0  MODIFIER LETTER SMALL H

[w˞ajtʰ]:
 w˞	                                   	U+0077  LATIN SMALL LETTER W
Now I understand what you meant!
The MODIFIER LETTER RHOTIC HOOK was really impossible for me to see on my computer. Sorry.
Not your fault.
03:40
@DannyuNDos I'm pretty sure nobody actually pronounces that word with a [t] at the end except when explaining how to pronounce it.
Be careful not to sound like Jonathan Ross, aka "Wossie".
I think American /r/ is labialized anyway? So it's not really [ɻ], it's [ɻʷ].
Yes.
Usually.
Certainly there it is.
Probably there used to be a difference between ring and wring long ago, but today they both are very rounded and sound exactly the same.
Related story: I once discussed about rhoticity with my American cousin, and she never understood my /rh/ digraph, which was [ɻ̝̊].
More importantly, of course, [w] is a velar consonant. /r/ can also be pronounced as a velar consonant, but it's never (to my knowledge) both velar and retroflex.
03:43
[ɻ̝̊] :: [ɻ̝̊]:
 ɻ̝̊	voiced retroflex approximant       	U+027B  LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED R WITH HOOK
	raised                             	U+031D  COMBINING UP TACK BELOW
	voiceless                          	U+030A  COMBINING RING ABOVE
I guess non-sibilant counterparts of sibilant fricatives should not appear as a phoneme.
Probably not.
The voiceless modifications are something that nobody thinks about.
English /r/ does get (at least partially) devoiced in some contexts.
The French one I think of as voiced.
But I'm not sure that's always true.
Maybe I should try pronouncing /r/ as [ʐ].
That should sound different from /ʒ/, right?
Aye, that'd do it.
/r/ is always tricky for learners who don't have it in their native language.
Mandarin does have an /r/ that's just like ours.
I usually pronounce word-initial /r/ as a "bunched" palatal or velar sound. Often this gets pharyngealized, which...I'm sad I noticed, since now I feel like I'm trying to choke myself.
I just remembered.
03:51
Oh, at least for me, bunched [ɻ] wasn't that hard. I needed more practice for trilled [r].
We don't trill.
Some Scots do. It's rare otherwise.
Yeah, but Spanish and French do.
Spanish does, French used to.
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Q: Do native english speakers use both the retroflex and bunched "r" sound?

TilenI've read that some native speakers say the "r" sound by bunching their tongue (bunched "r") and some by pointing their tip at the alveolar ridge (retroflex "r"). When I say it, it sometimes feels more natural to pronounce it one way, and sometimes the other, depending on the sounds around it. Do...

[ʙ], [r], [ʀ], and [ʢ] – I so much enjoyed practicing these.
[ʜ] also
03:55
I had to learn how to produce [ɻ]. I only use bunched [ɹ̈] or non-retrofiex [ɹ]
I think I've got it. It seems overcomplicated
There may still be langue d'oc speakers in the south who trill their R's; not sure.
Read: Occitan speakers.
Aug 5 at 22:10, by alphabet
Other people and their weird mouth noises.
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Q: The counterpart of "facial" for head

Vezen BUWe have the adjective "facial" for the noun "face", and I am wondering what the counterpart for the noun "head" is. I could not find it on Google, and ChatGPT told me "cranial" which seems a bit different from what I expected.

Well that's a question I misread
Ok, was that intentional?
@alphabet I'm just going to pretend I have no idea what you're talking about.
If it's from a non-native speaker: do we warn them, perhaps, not to use that particular phrasing?
@tchrist You're doing an excellent job of pretending; I'm totally fooled.
Or was it a native speaker trying to mess with us?
Cute doge pick. Perhaps they're from Venice.
04:11
I could assume it's a non-native speaker and edit the question and/or vote to migrate it to ELL.
Or I could leave it there to see what happens in the comments section
I worry about what the Google might raise from those queries.
At least, without the NSFW filter on.
Et ce sont des mots innocents
Amazingly, Googling that question title--even with SafeSearch off--gives no indication of any alternative meanings
Let's let 'er ride then; you may have a dirty mind.
A helpful guide for EFL students
not clicking that
04:22
Her channel is actually serious English lessons; I suspect that she's disappointed that this has become her second-most-watched video.
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A: The counterpart of "facial" for head

Cerberus - Reinstate MonicaIn everyday language, the word head is often used as an attributive noun: The masseur will apply the facial cream and give you a head rub. Miss D. is waiting for her head transplant, so she has priority over Miss M., who merely needs a face transplant. In more formal or academic or literary l...

@alphabet Oh, she must be devastated that her clickbait title got the attention she expected.
How dare you give an actual answer to that question
Noun: capo di tutti capi (plural capi di tutti capi)
  1. (slang) Boss of all the bosses, especially in the mafia, Cosa Nostra etc. Often used by law enforcement, the media and the public in general to describe a Mafia boss who exerts significant influence on how the Mafia should run.
Better to capitulate than never.
@alphabet I tried to make the first example amenable to various readings.
04:49
Word of the day: to nerf something - to reduce the power or efficiency of something ("Tesla nerfs autopilot in its new cars")
A phrase for which I did not find a Russian alternative of similar conciseness: conga line (A succession of similar events, especially a quick, unstoppable, and/or comical succession: "The politician's vainglorious boasting was quickly followed by a conga line of embarrassing defeats")
05:06
That used to be a thing back in the '50s and '60s. Now it's a meme.
@CowperKettle That comes from online gaming. If you're playing an RPG class that gets nerfed, it is less good than it used to be and you are sad. If your class gets buffed, on the other hand, it's more good and you are glad.
So she says.
When Charles Dickens fell in love with a girl half his age, he attempted to have his wife institutionalized into a mental azylum
> After publicly accusing Catherine of not loving their children and suffering from "a mental disorder" – statements that disgusted his contemporaries, including Elizabeth Barrett Browning –[118] Dickens attempted to have Catherine institutionalized.[119] When this scheme failed, they separated.
> On his death, Dickens settled an annuity on Ternan which made her financially independent.
Catherine Thomson "Kate" Dickens (née Hogarth; 19 May 1815 – 22 November 1879) was the wife of English novelist Charles Dickens, the mother of his ten children, and a writer of domestic management. == Early life == Born in Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1815, Catherine moved to England with her family in 1824. She was the eldest daughter of ten children to George Hogarth. Her father was a journalist for the Edinburgh Courant, and later became a writer and music critic for the Morning Chronicle, where Dickens was a young journalist, and later the editor of the Evening Chronicle. Dickens immediately took...
Wow, 10 children.
With the rates of death at giving birth, she was lucky to survive
> Over the subsequent years, Dickens claimed Catherine became an increasingly incompetent mother and housekeeper; he also blamed her for the birth of their ten children, which caused him financial worries. He had hoped to have no more after the birth of their fourth child Walter, and he claimed that her coming from a large family had caused so many children to be born. To ensure no more children could be born, he ordered their bed to be separated and put a bookshelf in between them.
Hm. What?
There must have been.. ways to avoid having new kids.
Maybe it's better to allow rich men have multiple wives. That would be more candid.
More frank.
 
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> Don’t try to break my heart, young miss.
The more you cry the less you piss.
Poetry of the Day.
 
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@Mitch They can't do clinical trials on animals? Why not just study the people who already are offering themselves as guinea pigs.
Note: Guinea pigs are neither pigs nor from Guinea.
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> But how MDMA and other psychedelics work is still largely a mystery, both because the drugs have long been illegal and because psychiatric conditions are difficult to study in animals.
@Mitch Just because they're illegal doesn't mean people don't use them.
And I can read, tyvm.
I think that the steps in approval by the FDA, those 'phase I trials, phase II trials and so no, specify animal testing first, even for psychiatric meds. So they have to play with weird proxies like questionable blood tests.
these phase X trials usually happen after a number of small sample academic studies on efficacy, and I don't think that has happened enough for these psychedelics.
And the huge amount of anecdotal evidence is not academically convincing.
@Robusto What they really test is "psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy," i.e. using psychedelics during therapy sessions. You can't do that with mice.
@alphabet Yet
They'll get that collar in 'Up' that allowed the dogs to 'talk'
@Mitch Well, maybe they're going about it the wrong way? If people are taking certain drugs then they're already taking certain drugs, regardless of what the FDA may insist on.
@alphabet In case you missed it, my point was not to use animals.
16:28
@Robusto A scientific trial has to be very much controlled. So the recruitment of subjects has to be very scientific, you can't already have been taking the substance you have to be in a certain age range, no past history of X,Y,Z, etc etc.
And the FDA is responsible. You can crash all you want in your own self driving car on your own personal track, but you can't just start mass producing them and driving on the highways without govt oversight and approval.
@Mitch What are the animal studies for? Merely to ensure metabolic safety, or to prove efficacy? If the latter, how did all the current psychoactive drugs enter the market?
@Robusto Yeah I didn't understand that.
@Robusto for safety (won't be toxic or cause birth defects) you have to use animals first.
@Mitch OK, then where's the problem?
@Robusto I don't know. probably behavioral proxies.
I don't understand that objection.
16:33
like for depression... I don't know... maybe doesn't sleep so much?
I know someone who is doing research on schizophrenia, but with lots of mice... I can't remember what the signs of schizophrenia in mice are. (or how you select enough of them or breed them)
@Mitch But you just said that safety was the only concern. Now you're talking about efficacy.
@Robusto Maybe we should be discussing a less troublesome issue like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
@Mitch I was thinking something more along the lines of the war in Ukraine. Simple.
@Robusto No no no. You're wrong. It's more like Israel/Palestine. Pretty clear cut.
@Mitch Well, certainly nothing presents a knottier problem than an EL&U chat discussion. These are the gold standard for unresolvability.
And I'm afraid I'll have to insist on that.
16:45
We should disagree to disagree.
We're saying exactly the same thing even though you're wrong and I'm right.
17:04
@Mitch You're entirely right about everything except you got the last part backwards. Understandable, but it has to be noted.
@alphabet Masked Lives Matter!
I also hear that they still call them "c--ns" in Missouri.
Some of them even try to make us into hats.
Police officers must respect animals of all stripes.
17:35
@alphabet The red panda problem still needs to be addressed.
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@jlliagre "Sûr, vous pouvez".
Would you interpret that as, sure, you may have it—go get it yourself?
mornin, campers
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21:23
Nuage De Lait = a cloud of milk?
Ah, it's a brand name
@Cerberus The second option. "Sure, nothing prevents you to do it".
@jlliagre Yeah, exactly, I meant the second and an interpretation of the first (literal).
The yellow sign says that they were drinking pure hot water. Without tea leaves?
21:41
@CowperKettle If there is a brand, it cames later than the idiom. Un nuage de lait is a dash of milk, a small quantity of milk that blends into the tea like the vanishing shape of a cloud. All of these expressions, including s'il vous plaît, faites are clichés about the British. Eau chaude makes fun about tea. French people are expected to be coffee or darkest things than water drinkers.
Ah! nuage = a dash of. Cool
Noun: informatique en nuage f (uncountable)
  1. (computing) cloud computing
  2. Synonym: infonuagique
Word of the night: infonuagique
@CowperKettle Tea? What is tea? Is that something from beyond India?
They didn't have that in Britannia antiqua.
You know, Astérix is very historically accurate.
@CowperKettle TIL it :-)
21:48
My cat is snoring, so I had to wake him up briefly
:)
@CowperKettle by throwing briefs on him?
Hmm, it came later, not it cames later. English conjugations are definitely too complex...
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