English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

00:03

@Robusto Please make it stop: Get ready to say goodbye to a lot of familiar bird names, like Anna's Hummingbird, Gambel's Quail, Lewis's Woodpecker, Bewick's Wren, Bullock's Oriole, and more. Same thing here but longer.

Robusto

@tchrist Oh, FFS. Would that I could.

tchrist

> There are 152 eponymous English names on the list of birds determined by the AOS North American Classification Committee and 111 determined by the South American Classification Committee (in total, about 5.5% of English bird names that AOS currently oversees).

Don't worry, they're only covering half of them the first year, around 70 or 80. They'll get to the other evil bad names the second year. Go ahead, let make everybody relearn everything from scratch again.

Not sure what I think of that use of eponymous.

ebird.org/news/aos-announcement-to-revise-eponymous-bird-names

alphabet

Changes to bird names. Obviously a harbinger of impending societal collapse. How will we survive.

tchrist

"Everything you know is shit. You have to redo everything."

Mitch

@alphabet tins of catfood?

tchrist

00:11

Last year we changed the names of all the oceans, remember? This year we change the names of all the cities and streets. Next year we change the names of all the states and nations.

alphabet

People using different names for bird species? Catastrophic. I'm gonna stop refilling my bird feeder in protest.

Mitch

@tchrist that's what really bothers me about revolutions and wars and ethnic cleansing...you have to relearn a whole bunch of capitals

@alphabet don't punish the victims!

tchrist

But they won't come when you call them now.

Mitch

The new bird call will be 'not me. not me.'

jlliagre

@tchrist What about renaming America? Isn't it offensive to ~~indians~~, sorry, native ~~americans~~?

alphabet

00:14

We need a law saying nobody can ever change the name of anything.

Mitch

Enforceable by taking away their dictionary?

jlliagre

@alphabet And a law saying nobody can ever change any law.

tchrist

@Mitch I can tell you're still mad about Czechoslovakia. And Ceylon and Siam. And Borat and Bharat. And Mesopotamia.

jlliagre

Yugoslavia.

tchrist

@jlliagre You can't name something after someone. No Italians need apply. Nor Zaragozans.

alphabet

00:16

"First, they came for our bird names..."

Mitch

@jlliagre and then a law saying no more laws about laws...after this one

tchrist

@jlliagre Only Africa has natives.

Mitch

@tchrist there's a lot to be mad about

tchrist

@jlliagre Frankly speaking, you Gaulics will likely need to fix your own country name. Just ask Virginia and the Carolines.

Maryland is wrong.

alphabet

I'm looking forward to the "WOKE bird names are DESTROYING AMERICA" articles

jlliagre

00:21

@tchrist We already use l'hexagone.

tchrist

And yet the nightingale still sings by night.

Mitch

The dating ales are still pissed off about that

tchrist

@jlliagre Oh we can do that too, since Colorado is so insulting to colored people. We'll just go by its Homeric epithet, the hexahectaenneacontakaiheptagon.

Xanne

Here in California we used to have a variety of streets and highways named after Junipero Serra. But he got cancelled. It turns out he used the indigenous population as slave labor.

tchrist

Of course, this is the colorado that's about the red color, so it's insulting to the Redskins, especially the Washington ones.

jlliagre

00:25

@tchrist Ouch, our land is simpler. Maths savvy people are unhappy when we say aux quatre coins de l'hexagone though ;-)

tchrist

@jlliagre I would give you four words for that, but you've already heard them by now.

Junípero Serra

Junípero Serra Ferrer O.F.M. (Petra, Mallorca; 24 de noviembre de 1713-Monterrey, Alta California; 28 de agosto de 1784), bautizado como Miguel José Serra Ferrer y más conocido tradicionalmente como fray Junípero Serra, fue un fraile franciscano español. Profesor, doctor en filosofía y teología, abandonó la cátedra y se trasladó a América, donde fundó nueve misiones españolas en la Alta California, y presidió otras quince.[2] Fue beatificado por el papa san Juan Pablo II el 28 de septiembre de 1988, y el 23 de septiembre de 2015 fue canonizado por el papa Francisco, en la ciudad de Washington…

Oops, are they unsainting him? Let it not be today!

> The New York Times noted that some "Indian historians and authors blame Father Serra for the suppression of their culture and the premature deaths at the missions of thousands of their ancestors."[115] George Tinker, an Osage/Cherokee and professor at Iliff School of Theology in Denver, Colorado,[116] cites evidence that Serra required the converted Indians to labor to support the missions.

At least once they rename India to ~~Borat~~ Bharat, they'll finally stop pestering our own Indians for being named by some guy named for somebody's intestines.

You can't draw a rectangle, let alone a square, on a sphere. The sides can't be equal.

jlliagre

00:43

Checking the sides of my garden shed slab.

tchrist

Nutall's woodpecker is Dryobates nuttallii. Nuttall's violet is Viola nuttallii. But only one of those words is changing. The Latin is inviolate. Why are they forcing us to speak Latin?

Mostly though it's because you don't get to change their actual official taxa, which are theirs forever, just because politics and pitchforks got pointedly riled up.

The pitchforks haven't gotten to the violets yet, though. Just the birds.

tchrist

01:28

> Abert's Towhee
Adelaide's Warbler
Ainley's Storm-Petrel
Allen's Hummingbird
Anna's Hummingbird
Audubon's Oriole
Audubon's Shearwater
Bachman's Sparrow
Baird's Junco
Baird's Sandpiper
Baird's Sparrow
Baird's Trogon
Barrow's Goldeneye
Belcher's Gull
Belding's Yellowthroat
Bell's Sparrow
Bell's Vireo
Bendire's Thrasher
Bewick's Wren
Bicknell's Thrush
Blackburnian Warbler
Blyth's Reed Warbler
Bonaparte's Gull
Botteri's Sparrow
Boucard's Wren
Brandt's Cormorant
Brewer's Blackbird
Brewer's Sparrow
Buller's Shearwater

    5 Cassin's           1 Bullock's          1 MacGillivray's
    5 Wilson's           1 Bulwer's           1 Markham's
    4 Baird's            1 Canivet's          1 McCown's
    4 Townsend's         1 Carmiol's          1 McKay's
    3 Steller's          1 Chapman's          1 Middendorff's
    3 Swainson's         1 Cherrie's          1 Murphy's
    2 Audubon's          1 Cook's             1 Naumann's
    2 Bell's             1 Cooper's           1 Nava's
    2 Brewer's           1 Cory's             1 Nelson's

   12 Sparrow                 1 Albatross               1 Phalarope
   10 Warbler                 1 Antbird                 1 Phoebe
    8 Petrel                  1 Auklet                  1 Pipit
    6 Gull                    1 Blackbird               1 Plover
    6 Storm-Petrel            1 Cormorant               1 Quail
    5 Hawk                    1 Eider                   1 Rail
    5 Hummingbird             1 Emerald                 1 Reed-Warbler
    5 Shearwater              1 Finch                   1 Rosefinch

TRiG

01:52

Here's another eggcorn: dawn some armor.

CowperKettle

02:23

@alphabet I feel pity for the inventive males who got stuck with such toys before modern surgery was developed. Probably many died.

Cerberus

Who says it is only males?

While it is true that women lack a prostate, they may still do it, or they may insert it otherwise.

CowperKettle

02:47

@Cerberus Women are more cautious by nature.

Because they need to tend to their children.

CowperKettle

02:58

CowperKettle

03:16

But of course women are inventive. But still, I mostly read about males in such situations :)

Juniper (friar)

Juniper, also known as Brother Juniper (Italian: Fra Ginepro) (died 1258), called "the renowned jester of the Lord", was one of the original followers of Francis of Assisi. Not much is known about Juniper before he joined the friars. In 1210, he was received into the Order of Friars Minor by Francis himself. "Would to God, my brothers, that I had a whole forest of such Junipers," Francis would delightfully pun.Francis sent him to establish "places" for the friars in Gualdo Tadino and Viterbo. When Clare of Assisi was dying, Juniper consoled her. Juniper is buried at Ara Coeli Church at Rome...

> "Would to God, my brothers, that I had a whole forest of such Junipers," Francis would delightfully pun.[1]

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Perhaps! But there should still be plenty of incautious ones despite the average.

CowperKettle

03:33

Yes

alphabet

03:44

@CowperKettle I don't feel much pity for anyone that dumb.

@TRiG This is your brain on the cot/caught merger.

@CowperKettle Lesbians, presumably, are either less embarrassed about buying sex toys, or too smart to try it with a lightbulb

Buying sex toys is gay. Real manly men use random household objects.

Cerberus

@alphabet Unkind.

@alphabet Lots of straights use sex toys too.

alphabet

@Cerberus I do suspect, though, that this is a factor driving these ER visits.

@Cerberus A Gwenyth Paltrow jade egg, but encrusted with Swarovski crystals to balance your harmonic energies.

Cerberus

@alphabet What is a factor?

@alphabet I don't know what those brands are but it sounds pretty vad.

CowperKettle

03:59

The A.I. Dilemma - March 9, 2023

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alphabet

@Cerberus I think some people associate (say) owning a butt plug with wanting to have sex with a man. Not an entirely unreasonable association. I suspect using a random household object somehow reduces any cognitive dissonance.

Cerberus

The latter part may be so.

But I know that tons of straight men have their girlfriends peg them.

All men have the same organ.

And I think it works the same way for most.

alphabet

Yeah, the more progressive types. But I think that those who feel more averse to somehow seeming "gay" are more likely to use lightbulbs or what have you instead.

And, frankly, the ones who end up in the ER for it are getting what they deserve for that attitude.

Cerberus

I think plenty of people are more themselves in the intimacy of the bed.

It may be true that straight men more often use weird objects.

@alphabet I really don't understand this attitude.

If someone makes a silly sexual mistake, he deserves to go to hospital?

Which in your country not only means psychological and physical suffering, but he could also go bankrupt.

CowperKettle

> 2024 might be the last human election due to AI's potential to manipulate public opinion and voters

alphabet

04:18

@Cerberus I don't think "silly mistake" is the right description. A better term would be "obviously incredibly foolish decision with easily foreseeable negative consequences."

Cerberus

Why does a mistake mean someone is immoral and deserves to suffer a lot?

Maybe you should think about it a bit more.

alphabet

When did I say that they were "immoral" or "deserved to suffer"?

Cerberus

> getting what they deserve

Needing to go to hospital is not suffering?

If something deserves to suffer, does that not imply you think he is immoral and somehow deserves a cruel punishment? Or why else would someone deserve to suffer?

alphabet

Let me put it this way. I don't think they should be deliberately made to suffer more. I also don't think they deserve any sympathy, since their plight is entirely the fault of their own poor decisions.

Nobody should feel sorry for them, since they could very easily have avoided the situation.

Cerberus

If you make a mistake, and you suffer badly for it, you don't deserve pity?

I'm sorry but this sounds incredibly vulgar to me.

Perhaps it is best to change the subject.

alphabet

04:28

Perhaps.

Dannyu NDos

[SynthV Asterian, Yuma, Natalie] [English Adaptation] 거북이 – 비행기 (Airplane)

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I cannot rhyme while adapting lyrics cross-lingual. :(

CowperKettle