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@alphabet Well, you gotta kill somebody to get even, right?
@Robusto The purpose was just to create ethnically homogenous countries. When has that ever gone wrong? /s
Indeed.
00:29
@CowperKettle an American Buddhist banker in a jester suit is like that kid that mixes all the wrong ice cream flavors
@alphabet honestly some of the attitudes online ever since the Unique Armed Surgery are pretty reminiscent of this
00:44
@M.A.R. Took me a minute to get that.
Some might accuse them of Nation Washing.
01:15
Corpus omne perseverare in statu suo quiescendi vel movendi uniformiter in directum, nisi quatenus a viribus impressis cogitur statum illum mutare.
01:53
@tchrist Receperint tergum.
@tchrist Welcome back, Tom. Good to see you in here again.
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02:24
@alphabet Yes, the current Kaliningrad Region of Russia was a German region
What will Putin do if the military in Kalinigrad Oblast do the Prigozhin trick and announce a secession?
@Robusto Thank you.
Good morning and welcome back!
The morning I would welcome.
I woke up dead tired, and lay in bed for couple hours. Now drinking coffee. Sometimes I have spells of two or three days when I sleep/drowse for 15 hours/day. I've no idea what's up. Venlafaxine does not help.
@CowperKettle March overland from White Russia.
That en route wheresoever Russian boots shall land shall Russian land again become.
For did you not know that Russian soles were magical?
02:38
Maybe since we're nearing Peak Oil, the war will linger for a decade. Russia will have more than plenty of oil and gas money.
Now and then I'm using quotations from Ukrainian songs/poems in my Strava posts, and one or two subscribers unsubscribe.
shudders
This is a good biomarker of fascism. When people stop reacting so wildly at a quotation from a children's song, this would mean the inflammation is over.
In about 2017, my "boss" asked me to remove "Best Regards" in Ukrainian from my automatic email reply template. I had "Best Regards" there in Russian, English and Ukrainian. For some reason, it was very bad to have it in Ukrainian.
Demonizations.
@CowperKettle Ask him: "How did you know it was Ukrainian? What are you doing, learning the language of the enemy?"
I've no idea why I'm feeling tired at 80% of the time, but still can run for 10 km if I drink a lot of coffee. But afterwards, still tired and can do nothing, the brain does not work.
@alphabet LOL
@alphabet She hosted some refugees at her flat from Eastern Ukraine in 2014, who fled from the war.
02:46
Make a post in Ukrainian: "If you can read this, you're unpatriotic"
And her friend was a Russian volunteer who went to fight against Ukrainians in 2014.
To her, Ukraine is a Western puppet state infested by Nazis
She said in the summer of 2014 that Putin betrayed Russia by not invading with full force and not capturing the whole of Ukraine.
Just think, if people like her friend hadn't fought in the war, she wouldn't have met those new refugee friends.
@CowperKettle An Igor Girkin fan?
@alphabet Probably not.
She just thinks that it was great to be together, in the last decades of the USSR.
A united country.
In my school in Noyabrsk, a teacher who had relatives in Ukraine also said in 1992 that it felt unreal to have to cross a border in order to go and visit them.
I think that a huge number of common people did not want it all to fall apart.
An Uzbek friend, a woman, told me in 2014 that a lot of her friends in Uzbekistan would gladly reunite with Russia.
Because after the USSR broke up, Central Asia collapsed into corruption and stuff.
Stronger to think oneself personified as the great bear than as the thirteen raccoons.
Many common people were surprised to find themseves in separate countries.
02:55
Indeed. I get the sense that the USSR's collapse came as a surprise to nearly everyone and was more a freak accident than something anyone planned or expected.
The only people I knew who really wanted to be apart were people from the Baltic states.
Me and my dad visited a camp of Baltic workers who were constructing a road in taiga in Siberia. My father was to measure the evenness of the road and check the construction process. And it felt like the Baltic people felt themselves as separate.
@alphabet I really always considered Ukraine and Russia to be just two regions of the same country.
@tchrist How dare you suggest that raccoons are inferior to other mammals.
@CowperKettle I don't think they consider themselves Slavs.
But rather Balts.
@CowperKettle So did Putin, apparently. I get the sense that the Maidan Revolution was a turning point. (I think they've rebranded it as the "Revolution of Dignity.")
@alphabet I got the sense that the Orange Revolution of 2004 already made him a little bonkers :)
03:01
I meant for Ukrainians.
@CowperKettle I've heard that Gorbachev is not widely liked in Russia these days.
@alphabet He was never liked
And now he is hated because "he made the USSR fall apart"
During his rule, people laughed at him because he never, ever told anything definite.
He spoke in a way that you could never understand his point. It was all a mix of bureaucratic phrases.
@CowperKettle Not even in Potsdam?
I googled "Gorbachev Potsdam" and found this.
Rather close.
At the beginning of Perestroika, my dad was at a friend's flat watching some sport TV program with other men. And one of the men said about Gorbachev - "he has spun such a great flywheel that it will crush him". I wondered what it meant. Because I was a kid.
03:07
@CowperKettle As someone who didn't live through that time: Gorbachev does seem rather incompetent, in that he couldn't reform the system without making it self-destruct.
It wasn't fixable.
@alphabet Yes, it's a pity. Maybe he should have reinstated Stalin-era cooperatives (small market-driven companies no more than about 20 workers). I mean, without reforming all the rest.
But he decided to also bring in the freedom of the press.
Maybe there are good books explaining why it all collapsed.
@tchrist I mean, he could have kept the USSR a brutally repressive dictatorship.
I liked reading Yegor Gaidar's book about that period, but I've forgotten its contents.
Yegor Timurovich Gaidar (Russian: Его́р Тиму́рович Гайда́р, pronounced [jɪˈɡor tʲɪˈmurəvʲɪtɕ ɡɐjˈdar]; 19 March 1956 – 16 December 2009) was a Soviet and Russian economist, politician, and author, and was the Acting Prime Minister of Russia from 15 June 1992 to 14 December 1992. He was the architect of the controversial shock therapy reforms administered in Russia after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, which brought him both praise and harsh criticism. He participated in the preparation of the Belovezh Accords. Many Russians held him responsible for the economic hardships that plagued the country...
They wanted to improve the economy through the 500 days program.
The 500 Days Program (Russian: программа "500 дней") was a shock therapy program to overcome the economic crisis in the Soviet Union by means of a transition to a market economy. Intended to comprehensively change the Soviet Union in a span of two years, it was ultimately a factor leading to the Soviet Union's collapse. == History == The program was proposed by economist Grigory Yavlinsky.: 199  According to Yavlinsky, the Soviet Union needed "to be built anew, nor reformed.": 199  He proposed the 500 Days Program to implement a form of economic shock therapy which proposed to transform the Soviet...
Which was never implemented, never even launched.
But many common people on the street will tell you that Evil Liberals broke down the USSR by implementing the Evil 500 Days Program.
Which is laughable because it was aimed at saving the USSR.
@CowperKettle Do you think it would have been possible to introduce freedom of the press without triggering the USSR's collapse?
03:15
@alphabet Maybe, if at first they fixed the economy.
By rolling back Nikita Khruschev's decision to kill all small-scale market-driven companies.
And by giving people in villages the right to buy some medium-sized plots of land.
But I'm not an economist, I could be wrong
In the USSR, you could not even construct a second storey on your Dacha house.
Without some special governmental permit, I suppose.
People would have been glad for even such small freedoms.
Or maybe the USSR was like the British Empire, and it would have fell apart anyway?
No. Bloodlessly is not in their genes.
The British surrendered their empire almost entirely without bloodshed, with one or two notable exceptions.
But there was so much bloodshed for so long under them, that that must count against them.
The White Man's Burden, and all that rot.
We had a party last month where they served only white russians.
Not kidding.
Yesterday I learned of the war between Nigeria and Biafra. The UK supported Nigeria, and some 2 000 000 civilians died of hunger in Biafra
I never knew before of that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War
Nor did I.
> During the two and half years of the war, there were about 100,000 overall military casualties, while between 500,000 and 2 million Biafran civilians died of starvation.
It can be hard to get data on starvations.
03:27
Yes.
Curiously, USSR and the UK were on the one side, and China on the other.
And Israel was on both.
And the Czechs and the Slovaks.
Then later, the Slovaks and the Czechs.
The Biafran Airlift was an international humanitarian relief effort that transported food and medicine to Biafra during the 1967–1970 secession war from Nigeria (Nigerian Civil War). It was the largest civilian airlift and, after the Berlin airlift of 1948–49, the largest non-combatant airlift of any kind ever carried out. The airlift was largely a series of joint efforts by Protestant and Catholic church groups, and other non-governmental organizations (NGOs), operating civilian and military aircraft with volunteer (mostly) civilian crews and support personnel. Several national governments also...
Turns out the Medicine Sans Frontiers was founded because of that war.
> The Nigerian government on Thursday announced the formal reintroduction of history as a subject in the country's basic education curriculum after it was abolished 13 years ago (November 2022)
04:04
Some guy said this phrase on Reddit, so I googled, and this came up.
04:16
@CowperKettle Médecins Sans Frontières, as @jlliagre would say.
@CowperKettle A famous tongue-twister.
Others are:
She sells seashells by the seashore.
Toy boat (say it three times rapidly, if you can)
Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.
And the most infamous one:
I slit three sheets, three sheets I slit. ;-)
Ah!
Всех скороговорок не перескороговоришь, не перевыскороговоришь
A Russian tonguetwister about tongue-twisters.
"You can't tongue-twist all tongue-twisters, nor can you over-tongue-twist them"
04:30
@Robusto I remember one from Stephen King's books
"He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts"
I liked it.
Even though his books are criminally over-long and over-drawn
Sarah Ashton-Cirillo (born 9 July 1977), formerly Sarah Cirillo and Sarah Ashton, is an American former journalist serving as a spokesperson for Ukraine's Territorial Defense Forces, in which she is a junior sergeant. A self-described "recovering political operative" from Las Vegas, Nevada, she was active in Nevada politics from 2020 to 2021, including an abortive run for Las Vegas City Council. She arrived in Ukraine in March 2022, shortly after the full-scale Russian invasion, and has variously served as a war correspondent, a representative in aid negotiations, a civilian analyst with the Ministry...
A former guy who transitioned into a woman and now serves with the Ukrainian Army.
> she resigned from LGBTQ Nation to become a combat medic in Ukraine's Noman Çelebicihan Battalion, a Crimean Tatar unit
> "I'm having guests in my apartment"
> "Russia Builds New 70km Defense Lines in Zaporizhia" -- just as I had thought, it will go on for years.
Russia has mountains of money and materials.
A pro-Russian guy who has been in the war since 2014 and has been helping to improve radio communications, was harassed for his candid reporting (he pointed out the lies of the official propaganda), and decided to join a frontline unit. t.me/s/wehearfromyanina
I was reading him because at least he has been candid and did not subscribe to the official bullshit.
A rotten system that forces the most ardent supporters to fall silent or suicidal.
05:11
"I never came across this word before" or "I've never come across this word before"?
The Chuhaister (Ukrainian: Чуга́йстер) is a Ukrainian tutelary deity of the forests. He is specific to the Ukrainian Carpathians. It's a fantastic image in Ukrainian mythology, unknown to other Slavic peoples. == Description == He was imagined as cheerful and overgrown with black or white fur and blue eyes. He dances, sings, and hunts Mavkas that lure young woodcutters and shepherds into the wilderness and destroy them. There was a belief that this was a man who had been cursed by sorcerers, who had been "done to", i.e. given a reason. Sometimes Chuhaister was imagined in the form of a wind or...
I came across a song named after this deity. I never knew about him.
05:34
> I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,
And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;
Nine bean-rows will I have there, a hive for the honey-bee,
And live alone in the bee-loud glade.
Yeats of the Day.
I should print this one out. It rhymes.
05:50
I confuse locant and loquat. The first is from the chemical nomenclature, the second, from the botanical.
I never tasted loquats though.
06:31
@Robusto Médecins sans bordures even ;-)
07:28
> Guys at work
Girls at work
> Objects in the mirror may seem closer than they are
 
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08:33
Pledge of the Day:
> I pledge my head to clearer thinking,
my heart to greater loyalty,
my hands to larger service,
and my health to better living,
for my club, my community, my country, and my world.
A pledge for politicians.
It's something called the 4-H Club in the USA
The Russian language has a borrowed noun, shtraf (штраф), meaning a fine (a monetary penalty for something)
Can you guess this word: "a sleeve that extends in one piece fully to the collar, leaving a diagonal seam from underarm to collarbone"
09:16
Cognates of the day: Greek φθίσις, decline, decay, and English dwindle - via φθίω, to wane, decline
09:39
Daily Octordle #599
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Daily Octordle #599
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11:38
@CowperKettle OMG is anything on the internet original anymore
@CowperKettle oh so that's what "Mediterranean" means. I'd never given it any thought
12:15
> What is a vegetable's favorite rock star?
Bruce Stringbean
12:26
Does anyone think that we don't need all of and and ?
12:43
Drunk soldier in Kazan threw a stun grenade near the porch of a building to give some fun to small kids, who agreed. A woman who was entering the flight of stairs was not impressed though. t.me/bazabazon/21445
It's light-and-noise grenade in Russian - светошумовая граната (свет + шум = light + noise)
13:12
> The sound was loud, but clearly quieter than the reaction of the woman standing at the intercom. She started shouting obscenities and, while the culprit of the noise was apologizing, declared that people like him “should be killed.”
Google Translate makes a good work.
@CowperKettle Maybe, but if you like a good story, he does keep you turning the pages for the whole ride.
#Worldle #602 1/6 (100%)
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globle-game.com
#globle
Daily Quordle 599
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Oops.
13:33
@Laurel the lattermost would make a good synonym. I don't know about those two
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@Laurel I think slang and colloquialisms could be merged. Informal writing? Well, that's a bit different.
@CowperKettle The American term is "flash-bang."
@Robusto It's posts like this that make it hard to just merge colloquialisms into slang
@Laurel Really? I don't see that that post is about either.
Wordle 818 2/6

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@Laurel Use of the dummy subject it is not at all colloquial.
The post is mistagged.
13:47
It's asking if it's colloquial
@Laurel I don't see that either; everyday speech is more informal than colloquial. But your mileage may vary.
@Robusto (Grenade) assourdissante in French (deafening).
A language site needs a tireless editor to make sure things are tagged right. Maybe we could put Alphabet on a hamster wheel and harness his energy to retag questions
@M.A.R. The problem with that is that raccoons will eat all the tags and then we'll have none.
We could feed him Ashworth's downvotes
13:52
Or my ennui.
Unstoppable force, immovable object, you get the idea
yesterday, by Laurel
Also if you retag new questions you can help yourself find duplicates later
Already tried that lol
Wow was that really just yesterday???
@M.A.R. unmoved mover, per Aristotle
The unmoved mover (Ancient Greek: ὃ οὐ κινούμενον κινεῖ, romanized: ho ou kinoúmenon kineî, lit. 'that which moves without being moved') or prime mover (Latin: primum movens) is a concept advanced by Aristotle as a primary cause (or first uncaused cause) or "mover" of all the motion in the universe. As is implicit in the name, the unmoved mover moves other things, but is not itself moved by any prior action. In Book 12 (Greek: Λ) of his Metaphysics, Aristotle describes the unmoved mover as being perfectly beautiful, indivisible, and contemplating only the perfect contemplation: self-contemplation...
> In Book 12 (Greek: Λ) of his Metaphysics, Aristotle describes the unmoved mover as being perfectly beautiful, indivisible, and contemplating only the tags on ELU SE.
Or was it in Book 13, about the untagged tagger..
14:12
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Tricky...
14:31
@M.A.R. Raccoons eat almost anything. But I think they'd even balk at those.
Of course, he did try to eat all the cookies in my browser.
15:04
> Even the best AI models studied can be fooled by nonsense sentences, showing that “their computations are missing something about the way humans process language.” zuckermaninstitute.columbia.edu/…
15:37
@tchrist Welcome back pal.
16:01
Today's puzzle: is this sentence grammatically correct?
> I gave a hundred dollars to my father, and she did so to her father.
I think it's correct. But why is this version wrong?
> I gave a hundred dollars to my father, and she did so to charity.
Or are both right? Or are both wrong? This is making my head hurt.
I would say they're both ok.
 
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17:08
@alphabet Both OK, but not more than that.
Substitute "the same" for "so" and everything's fine as apple wine in both.
17:32
@alphabet Sounds good.
@alphabet It's OK but a bit awkward. It's harder to follow ellipsis when the two clauses are less parallel.
 
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Ancient Egyptian medical term of the midnight: aaa
> Of the ten known ancient-Egyptian medical papyri, five, including the Ebers Papyrus from 1550 BC, describe urological problems such as enlarged prostate, bladder stones, cystitis and urinary frequency. Many archaeologists believe that the pharaonic term used to describe these urinary problems — aaa — might well refer to S. haematobium infection, known today as urinary schistosomiasis.
> Since the cause of the disease was unknown, Napoleon's army in 1798 called Egypt as "the land of menstruating men."
Aaa.. the land of menstruating men.
19:00
> The first epidemiological survey in 1937 indicated that infection rate was as high as 85% among people in the Northern and Eastern parts of the Delta.
> By 1993, the prevalence of urinary schistosomiasis had fallen to less than 7%.
@alphabet I gave a hundred dollars to my father and did so yesterday. Generally, the so refers back to an earlier action in the same sentence with the same subject and verb/predicate. He squandered all his father's fortune and did so in a single year. Because the did is anaphoric to the the action verb. [did give, did squander]. I gave $100 dollars to my father and she did so too.
Yeah, it needs more context to sound better.
@user726941 Not more context. It needs to refer back to the action verb/phrase in the previous phrase. The dog was lapping up all the milk from the spill and was doing so with great gusto. :)
19:19
@M.A.R. dude ... I think @alphabet would take that replacement as an insult
You know what hamsters are like
We all just hamsters here, of our own device.
Re tagging though... 1) as a UI/UX thing, it should be more available and easier to use for regular users 2) or it should be automated with a keyword/tag extractor
@user726941 hums tune to self
You can check out but can never leave.
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Q: "We are all just prisoners here, of our own device"

Terry LiIt is from the song "Hotel California" by the Eagles. I have a hard time interpreting the meaning of device in this context.

@Mitch I did some experimentation with ChatGPT and trying to make it suggest tags that went so poorly I stopped trying almost immediately. (It's probably the wrong tool for the job.) You need to know a bit about site culture and a lot about grammar to be good at retagging.
I would get behind reducing the privilege for the inline tag editor, but for some reason that's tied to the ability to cast delete votes at 10k, so ehhhh
Also I hate when people create new tags because they're usually really bad (but it's also annoying to keep track of that)
People and the AI are the two most bumbling species in the cyberspace
20:02
Our own electronic devices.
20:14
@Robusto The issue is that "did so" has certain odd restrictions: "I bought a car, and she did so a book" is obviously wrong. It gets more complicated with prepositional phrases.
@alphabet I think, though, that in those two sentences "did so" barely squeaks through. It definitely puts a hitch in your smooth reading, but then you get it and register a mental downvote for awkwardness.
For example: "I walked into the store, and she did so there" is not an acceptable substitute for "I walked into the store, and she walked there"
Yeah, that one doesn't work. Anybody but a moron would write/say "I walked into the store and she did too.
Or "... so did she."
If you reverse "she did so" to "so did she" you probably escape some trouble.
Here's an even trickier one: "I relied on my mother and he did so on his mother." That one I'm pretty sure is wrong. I think.
I don't think it's wrong. Just strange-sounding.
"I relied on my mother and so did he on his mother" works much better.
The inversion saves it.
20:28
Why keep trying force an anaphoric did so into a new sentence? It won't work. I relied on my mother and he did so [relied on her] too. VERSUS: I relied on my mother and he relied on his. This is not complicated.
@Robusto No, Robusto. It just does not work. I'm outta here.
@Lambie Your $.02. Noted.
Why? Because I'm curious about the syntax of anaphoric "did so." I'm curious about grammar, not asking for writing advice.
I am not giving writing advice. I am explaining how "did so" works. It's grammar.
We know how it works.
Correction: Its grammar.// It is anaphoric to the main verb/verb phrase that precedes it. That is the grammar.
20:37
Would you agree that the version with "she did so to her father" sounds much better than "she did so to charity"?
@Lambie Not all verbs allow this anaphora, as my "rely on" example shows.
@Robusto I don't
I will claim pretty vehemently that I do
But do not believe me
@Lambie What's wrong with anaphora?
@Mitch Do you consider both acceptable, or both unacceptable? Of "I gave $500 to my father, and she did so to charity" vs "...and she did so to charity"?
@alphabet both are.perfectly grammatical and sensical to me
H&P claim to have discovered rules about the acceptability of "did so"; they would claim both sentences are wrong.
As wrong as the "rely on" example.
20:42
Their is the tiniest air of a possibility of a syzygy to me
That's not the right word
Syllepsis?
Parallelism
The "did so" refers to the entire phrase: "I gave 500 dollars to my father" and not just "I gave 500 dollars" which is why you can't switch horses in midstream.
@alphabet You gotta stop letting H&P get on your last nerve. That's the solution.
@Lambie So you think both are incorrect? It seems your intuitions disagree with Robusto's.
It's a stylistic difference, not a grammatical one.
Bad style, of course, but there it is.
This sounds like a main site question. Don't make me vote to close your chat messages :p
20:59
@alphabet Yes, I disagree with him and have shown why. I'm done with this subject.
@Laurel Oh, but this site is full of Wordle and all kinds of stuff that is completely unrelated to ELU but that's ok? But a grammar point is not? Is there some rule that says we can't discuss grammar here? That grammar can only go on the main site? Go ahead and vote to close my chat messages. Delete them, if you like. What an upside down place.
@Lambie It's a joke, because you can't close chat messages ;) I'm going to keep on using emojis until it's clear too
@Lambie Sorry, did I do something to upset you? You seem angry.
This is just my style of humor, and I don't think anyone's actually upset with you
(I probably will ask on the main site since this seems sufficiently confusing.)
@Robusto I wouldn't go so far as 'bad' but the parallelism isn't perfect
But that's me
I'm not good at that sort of thing
21:06
Not mad at you, alphabet. Slightly annoyed by the joke because of the "trauma" I have had due to the staff or whoever on the complaint forms, who repeat to me what mods have already said and use double-speak to get rid of a perfectly legitimate complaint I had in their regard.
Putting two words together is hard enough and you want me to make the sentences work together?
@Lambie everything is on topic here. Unless it's too on topic
@alphabet I think you will get a very similar answer to the one I have given here...
@Lambie OK. I hope you feel better.
And if it is too on topic then it's fair game
What kind of smartwatch should I get? Avengers, Minecraft, or Hello Kitty! ?
@Mitch Thanks for the reassurance, Mitch. I wrote in a comment that young people today are often poor writers and the mods thought I was referring to the people on the site when it was pretty obvious I was referring to the writers of the text they were asking about....
21:10
@Lambie I want to do better than that. I value clear communication, so if there was a serious problem, you would definitely know it (and it probably wouldn't be in chat, especially not with various emoji)
Those are the ones I like
@Lambie oh. I am on a phone and am having trouble seeing all the context.
But anyway it's easy to misread typing and frankly emojis don't have enough nuance and I could write a book but only with the help of chat j'ai pété
@Laurel Well, too bad it wasn't you reviewing what I said where mods quoted to me the Code of Conduct rule re hostility. There was nothing hostile at all in my comments and they cited them out of context. For some reason, those people on that site (don't dare mention which one)seem to be out to get me. And they did.
@Laurel jinx!
At least it had the same meaning
If you complain via a complaint form and all those "handlers" do is quote back to you what mods have already said, what's the point? What a joke. Really. Also, a closed loop, logically speaking.
Tautological
No value added
21:15
@Lambie I do think that you may be coming across in a way that you don't intend.
Churning
Going over the same old...
Ground?
You never step off the same bridge twice?
We'll burn that bridge when we come to it
@Mitch The phrase is, "We'll fall off that bridge when we come to it."
@Robusto I was flailing
Thanks
Easier than falling off a bridge
We'll let by gones be by gones.
Don't put all your chickens in one basket
21:19
and count their eggs.
You can't count your eggs after they hatch
Mitch: You get the gold star every time for HUMOR. :)
The first ones that hatch eat the rest.
One man's trash is another raccoon's trash.
@user726941 some fly like an eagle, others are on the ground with the turkeys
21:22
Oh, and then, after the powers that be respond to a complaint, they refuse to discuss anything furrrther and close your ticket and tell you they will not deal with the issue again even if you make another complaint. This, in my book, is what the Spaniards call fascistoide. Not exactly fascist, but fascist-like.
Float your boat, sting like a bee.
Stink like a skunk, lick like a skink
@Lambie I mean, if I had my way, I think it would be a good idea for both you and those mods to try to have a fresh start. Like, put all that (probably mutual) frustration behind you and try to not get to the point where anyone needs to be talking to CMs. I'm sure there will be future problems you'll encounter (as one always does in any social situation) but it would be healthier to work through them when you don't see each other as opponents
Yeah, well we get a lot of wild turkeys here in Mass. The cars stop for them when they are crossing the road. Why did the turkey cross the road?
@Mitch midgets are standing on my toes, while others are on the shoulders of giants
21:24
@user726941 I like that one
Maybe I'm over-idealistic but it seems better than the alternative
"How can I see anywhere when midgets are standing in my toes"
Or something like that
@Lambie I don't know. Why did the turkey cross the road?
:64413294, They have suspended me twice for a year. I feel they are unfair and am thinking of just deleting that particular account. There is no way around it. I frankly think there is an anti-American bias in this case.
@Laurel I like to be over-hyperbolic. But I reiterate.
21:26
@Mitch To join the chicken.
snirt
That's a perfectly fine alternative to snort even though it's a typo
@Lambie wow. That's extreme
@Lambie that's uncool. Some of my best friends are American
Two years is a long time.
@Mitch Mitch, you have used two words today that make me think you know who I am. Curiouser and curiouser. But that would be OK because I trust you.
counts friends
Am returning to Riverdale. Ciao for now.
21:29
cya
Hm on one hand
@Lambie eye brow raised
I kinda only know you as 'Lambie'? If that...
So, now a high brow, eh?
@Lambie hon hon hon
A man who trusts no one will become a man no one trusts.
2
I laughed in French
That's how high my sourcils are
21:32
OMG, you are killing me.
@Lambie Presumably they have limited capacity to respond to repeated complaints.
Or is that for eyelashes?
Where is @jlliagre when I need him?
@alphabet I doubt that. I have only made two in two years. So....I deserve a discussion not being turned away with tricks.
Mitch, that's right. Those are eyebrows. Lived in Paris A LONG time.
Speak French. :)
They are all volunteers.
I'm here, what's you question?
21:35
@user726941 Mods are, not CMs (who are the people behind the contact form)
@jlliagre Fix my French?
@Mitch Which one?
sourcils are eyebrows, no worries.
Who pays the CMs?
@user726941 Very good question. I think the over-site (SE) just wants to be hassle free and makes real complaints and follow-ups impossible.
21:38
@Lambie Fascism!
There's usually a board of directors at the top.
Maximizing the bottom line.
@user726941 It's a little outdated but I have this answer for how the company makes money
You know who else ignored complaint letters? Stalin! (No, seriously, see Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago, vol. 1, p. 208-209 in my pirated copy.)
The company post-2018 treats CMs like oh-not-so-necessary evil, and that's reflected in their workload and how the layoffs since have affected the CM team
(The irony of illegally acquiring a translation of Solzhenitsyn.)
21:51
So someone telling a ranter on meta.SE to go complain to the CMs can giggle and it would safely be in-context
@Mitch Sourcils are eyebrows and cils are eyelashes. A common expression is froncer les sourcils (to frown) but lever les sourcils is not very used. If you want to express surprise, you can say ouvrir grand les yeux or ouvrir de grands yeux. That would be close to 'raise eyebrows'.
@alphabet I'll be honest. I don't even know if pirating is illegal here. I mean, surely a lot of things that can be pirated are extremely haram (even music), but beyond that
@user726941 an eye for an eye will make eye doctors a lot of money
@Lambie to be frank, you're sometimes too frank for comfort
@M.A.R. Less eyeglass makers.
> Sometimes, the true hero is the one with the courage to run away.
@M.A.R. "However these laws do not cover works from outside Iran as it is not a signatory to the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works or the WIPO Copyright Treaty, or a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO)" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_Iran
21:58
@Laurel that is definitely not sorted according to revenue generated AFAIK
Yeah and they no longer do half the things on that list, like SO Jobs and Amazon Affiliate links
@Robusto "Keep absolutely still. Its vision is based on movement."
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