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Mitch

20:19

@Vikas Oh, I think I haven't tried to translate the slogans inside the office. There was one episode (1st season) which was all about the government imposed slogans encouraging a max of 2 kids per famiiy "2 children are sweet as honey, more than two is like hemorrhoids".

They used the word 'piles' which to me is not common (you just use the term 'hemorrhoids'), so 'piles' sounds like a euphemism. But the age rating/warning that Amazon gives the show says things like 'language' meaning, bad language, or language you don't want your kids to hear, and 'hemorrhoids' (or piles) isn't profanity at all. It'd be like saying 'cancer' is bad language.

@Vikas qn 1) what is the vegetable that is long and thick and light green that everyone brings as sort of a gift or bribe to different offices? It's not eggplant/aubergine... well, they keep saying it's not that which actually makes me wonder if it -is- eggplant (or very much iike it).

user 7269591

Mathematics for Human Understanding is a Humanities and Math Ed book @Mitch

Using arguments from the former to change the latter.

Mitch

@Vikas qn 2) in the courtyard of the pradhan's house, sometimes in the nackground there is a pile of dark brown disks, a couple inches think and an arms length across. And a few of them seem to be hung up on the wall. What are those?

user 7269591

The author is a Harvard PhD, so its goals are kind of "loafty."

Mitch

@Vikas qn 3) in the courtyard of the pradhan's house, sometimes the Pradhan (or really the pradhan-pati, they;kl cut off a short branch from the tree above and sit down and spend time removing the leaves from the branch and splitting the branch into short pieces. What is that for? What is the tree and the leaves for? is it for spices?

user 7269591

One thing that bothered me about it is that the audiobook isn't read by the author.

Mitch

20:31

@user7269591 So what did you think of what was said? Did you agree? did you disagree? what was the general trend? something like 'math is like a science but needs more humanities to appreciate'?

@user7269591 Sometimes that choice is made by the publisher, sometimes the author is aware that their voice is not the best for reading out loud.

user 7269591

Yup, treat it more "humanly."

Mitch

@user7269591 Have you read The mathematician's Lament?

probably similar themes.

user 7269591

Yes.

Again, too lofty.

Mitch

too lofty as in too... academic and difficult to grasp? Or too lofty as in too difficult to attain?

user 7269591

Too difficult to attain.

Mitch

20:40

Yeah

I don't really think there's that much of a problem.

the problem that Lockhart describes is more of a selection process... those who are good at teaching kids, they've been selected (evolutionarily) for that at the expense of not being able to have the facility in seeing the humanities part of math.

user 7269591

But isn't teaching a humanities subject?

jlliagre

@Mitch Chatroom rule broken!

Mitch

@jlliagre flagged for false flagging

Literally!

@user7269591 teaching or learning is what you do with either humanities -and- sciences.

jlliagre

That doesn't mean we want to talk about YouTube comments or hemorrhoids or other such topics. Literally!

Mitch

teaching children is probably more of a humanity because it is not as much the subject matter that is the large part of that more socialization.

@jlliagre Oh.

user 7269591

20:51

I guess math Ed is sort of a social science.

Mitch

haha

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@user7269591 yes, but more for primary education or maybe jr high? After that it is very STEM

user 7269591

Yes.

jlliagre

21:05

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jlliagre

23:13

Scientists tricked into believing fake abstracts written by ChatGPT were real

Cerberus

@jlliagre That article is a bit long, though.

Is there a summary somewhere?

A succinct paraphrase?

CowperKettle

It's long because it was written by ChatGPT

Cerberus

Just the gist of the article?

What it says in brief?

CowperKettle

Just an apercu?

Cerberus

Good.

Or just an outline.

forest

23:17

> Four academics were enlisted to take part in a test, and were split into two groups of two. An electronic coin flip was used to decide whether a real or fake AI-generated abstract was given to one reviewer in each group. If one researcher was given a real abstract, the second would be given a fake one, and vice versa. Each person reviewed 25 scientific abstracts.

Reviewers were able to detect 68 per cent of fake abstracts generated by AI and 86 per cent of original abstracts from real papers. In other words, they were successfully tricked into thinking 32 per cent of the AI-written abstr…

It was a test.

Cerberus

I bet you didn't write that.

I know who did.

forest

I didn't. I quoted it.

Cerberus

I'm pretty sure you had Chat GPT generate that.

forest

I am ChatGPT.

CowperKettle

Opinion: Time is not on Ukraine’s side; By Condoleezza Rice and Robert M. Gates

jlliagre

23:20

We should contact the real Cerberus, his account has clearly been hacked by ChatGPT.

CowperKettle

Spartacus (1960) - I am Spartacus!

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forest

Everyone on SE was banned as soon as ChatGPT came out. We're all just GPT instances.

Except you. You're the only real one.

jlliagre

Ah, okay, I was wondering.

Cerberus

Who, I?

forest

You know which one you are!

Cerberus

23:30

I'll ask the other heads.

forest

Your other two heads are actually ChatGPT too.

CowperKettle

23:43

reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/105t040/…

forest

Wow America is fat.

Cerberus

You didn't know?

CowperKettle

> According to the same memo, Wolfe's height is 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) and his weight is 272 lb (123 kg). Archie Goodwin, the narrator of the stories, frequently describes Wolfe as weighing "a seventh of a ton". This was intended to indicate unusual obesity at the time of the first book (1934).

Nero Wolfe

Nero Wolfe is a brilliant, obese and eccentric fictional armchair detective created in 1934 by American mystery writer Rex Stout. Wolfe was born in Montenegro and keeps his past murky. He lives in a luxurious brownstone on West 35th Street in New York City, and he is loath to leave his home for business or anything that would keep him from reading his books, tending his orchids, or eating the gourmet meals prepared by his chef, Fritz Brenner. Archie Goodwin, Wolfe's sharp-witted, dapper young confidential assistant with an eye for attractive women, narrates the cases and does the legwork for the...

Cerberus

I think some Pacific islands are fatter.

forest

@Cerberus But they're fat due to genetics. We (Americans) are fat because we're lazy.

CowperKettle

23:49

> Wolfe: When I swing down to hit the ball so, the end of this homemade gun is pointing just above my waistline.
Archie: Waistline?
Wolfe: It's an imaginary line like the equator.

jlliagre

The good news is that covid has improved obesity statistics!

Cerberus

@forest I wouldn't say lazy, so much as living in a poorly optimised society.

@jlliagre Because many fat people died from it?

jlliagre

That's it, isn't it nice?

Nature does things well, as they say.

CowperKettle

Black Death in Europe improved wages. For the survivors.