English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Vitaly

20:02

@Cerberus Done. Hopefully now I can avoid getting into pointless arguments about the epistemic would.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus we can, so long as it's given proper attribution

actually @Cerberus my tweak to the JS just made things worse. stick with the old imperfect way

Cerberus

Ohh yes, I just tested it.

That looks like it was a lot of work!

The old ways are best.

Matt Эллен

well, I keep getting tols that getAttribute isn't a function, when I know it is

so I spent a while trying to figure that out

but otherwise, not really :D

I didn't figure it out

Cerberus

Thanks for trying!

Matt Эллен

and then they wrapped their Euro 2012 article in a div, so it all was for nothing

@Cerberus no worries :)

Cerberus

20:11

shakes fist at div

The text and the pictures are what matters.

Now they don't distract me any more.

And my valuable time is saved.

Matt Эллен

good :)

Cerberus

This is my CSS.

Do you like it?

Vitaly

@Cerberus Share the code. I could use it.

Cerberus

No can't do.

Matt Эллен

    var links = document.getElementsByTagName('a');
    for(var index in links)
    {
    if(links[index].getAttribute('href').indexOf('sport') > -1)
    {
    links[index].parentNode.style.display = 'none';
if(links[index].parentNode.nodeName == 'DD')
    {
    links[index].parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
    }
    }
    }

that does it all. finally :D

Cerberus

20:22

Double D? Oh, my...lemme see...

@MattЭллен Wowww you're the best!!

It's beautiful.

Matt Эллен

heh, you're too kind

Cerberus

It is like the world is a better place now!

Matt Эллен

var links = document.getElementsByTagName('a');
for(var index in links)
  {
    if(links[index].getAttribute('href').indexOf('sport') > -1)
      {
	links[index].parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	if(links[index].parentNode.nodeName == 'DD')
	  {
	    links[index].parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	  }
      }
  }

Cerberus

Football has been erased, and there is no trace of it left!

Matt Эллен

properly indented for posterity

Cerberus

20:24

Yay!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus yay!

Cerberus

So what does DD mean or do here?

Just curious.

Matt Эллен

that's just the name of the element

it's a data definition, if I recall correctly

Cerberus

Ohh the newspaper guys named it that way?

Oh.

Matt Эллен

no, it's a standard element :)

Cerberus

20:26

Okay.

Matt Эллен

dt is data type I think

Cerberus

Sooo could I add extra elements to hide by copying the "if" block and using a different search word?

It looks like I could?

Matt Эллен

yeah

Cerberus

This is exciting.

Then I could use it on other websites too!

Matt Эллен

indeed!

Cerberus

20:28

Or will they have different structures?

Matt Эллен

probably

it shouldn't be too hard to figure out

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Do you have any idea how I can filter against something that isn't a Tag?

Matt Эллен

yeah, what do you want to filter?

Cerberus

I tried replacing getElementsByTagName with getElementsByIDName, but that doesn't work.

Matt Эллен

getElementById

Cerberus

20:40

Ahhh.

Matt Эллен

since IDs are unique that returns the actual element, not an array of elements

David Wallace

onextrapixel.com/2009/05/13/…

Matt Эллен

that reads kinda pineappley...

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Ahhh it works!!

Thanks again!

I just added it as two new lines, outside all the Ifs.

Matt Эллен

excellent :D

Cerberus

20:43

Look how neat it looks now!

@MattЭллен Very...

Even I can see that.

I feel like removing all sorts of things from other web pages now!

Matt Эллен

yay! go forth and hide things :D

Cerberus

hides

but not in Kit's famous sack

Matt Эллен

:D

Cerberus

Okay, so I can basically hide anything that has an "a" thingie, right?

Matt Эллен

well, you can hide anything you like. you just have to get the element that contains it

but the code I wrote is specifically going to hide things that contain anchors where the href has 'sport' in it.

Cerberus

20:49

Yeah.

I think I can change the href to class if I see an "a" thingie that has a class=x thing, right?

Matt Эллен

yes

Cerberus

All right.

Matt Эллен

if you want to search for exact matches, you can change .indexOf('x') > -1 to == 'x'

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Matt Эллен

I am super tired!

good night :)

Cerberus

20:57

Understandable!

Thanks again, and I hope you sleep well!

Matt Эллен

me too! :)

you're welcome!

Cerberus

Good night!

Cerberus

21:36

navalny.livejournal.com/712841.html

@Vitaly: I know your opinion of Navalny, but what do you think of this idea?

Vitaly

Well, it's clever. Too bad nobody looks at the bills.

Cerberus

If a few people notice, it could become the talk of the day even in remote villages...

Vitaly

Oh, and I have just (1:43 AM) seen a group of 5 helicopters flying towards the northeast. Wondering what that stuff is about.

Cerberus

Hmm 5, you say?

Vitaly

Yup.

Cerberus

21:48

Odd.

Couldn't it be some kind of chain collision of cars?

Vitaly

No idea.

I also don't know whether they were military or just regular passenger helicopters.

I could only see the lights and hear them.

user19161

@Vitaly Maybe some military exercise.

Vitaly

22:03

Oh, and they were interspersed by about 200m and not in any particular formation as far as I could tell.

So that excludes military exercises with enough certainty.

Cerberus

Hmm odd.

But that is the north-west: so that is north-east of you?

Vitaly

@Cerberus Um, what? The arrow shows the direction in which I saw them flying and approximately where I noticed them first and where they were blocked out of my view by the buildings (the start and the end points of the arrow, respectively).

Cerberus

Oh OK, direction.

But it does mean that you live in the north-west of the city.

Vitaly

Yeah.

Cerberus

And you have shown what your house looks like...

So we can almost stalk you now!

Vitaly

22:08

I don't mind. The territory is guarded.

Cerberus

Really?

By your spider?

Vitaly

By a private agency? :P

Or what do you call it when you hire people to guard the territory.

z7sg Ѫ

they showed me the SAM battery. i was reassured. i was safe there

Cerberus

@Vitaly You would say the area/compound was guarded, by guards. Probably not territory, though.

@z7sgѪ What if the helicopters are armoured?

And drop on you as suicide bombers?

Vitaly

@Cerberus Can you show a picture of a compound?

z7sg Ѫ

22:19

i have full confidence in their air defences tbh

i don't think suicide bombers are targetting me specifically :)

Vitaly

@z7sgѪ they? there? their?

Cerberus

Would you like more?

z7sg Ѫ

@Vitaly yeah i mean your guys

Cerberus

Vitaly

@Cerberus So a compound suggests something like prison?

Cerberus

22:22

No, a closed-off area.

Vitaly

What is that word...

Cerberus

Usually walled, or with fences.

Vitaly

what's the word to denote the shade of meaning a word comes to suggest because of how it's commonly used?

Cerberus

SWR.

Vitaly

Connotation.

So does compound have the prison connotation?

Cerberus

22:24

A connotation is not exactly a sense.

@Vitaly No.

I suppose it could be a prison, but then you would probably call it a prison?

Vitaly

Hm OK.

Cerberus

A connotation is just any subtler aspect of a meaning.

Denotation is the more direct meaning.

> 1. (in the Far East) an enclosure containing residences, business offices, or other establishments of Europeans.
2. (in Africa) a similar enclosure for native laborers.
3. any enclosure, especially for prisoners of war.
4. any separate cluster of homes, often owned by members of the same family.

Vitaly

@Cerberus Why not?

Cerberus

A territory is an area that is controlled by a relevant person or group with some power.

I would say.

A cat has a territory, the area in which it hunts (and from which it tries to fend off competitors).

Vitaly

Well, a territory is an area that an animal treats as its own.

Cerberus

22:30

Yes.

Vitaly

Why can't I refer to the area that a group of humans (who belong to a particular animal species) treats as its own as territory?

Cerberus

You can do that.

But then who is this group?

It implies dominance.

Vitaly

The people who inhabit these buildings?

Cerberus

They sound a bit too meek.

Vitaly

We do have dominance. The underground parking lots here are dominated by Porsches and other expensive makes of car.

Cerberus

22:33

You could say the union of owners controls a territory? I don't know, it still sounds a bit odd.

I would expect some kind of rivalry.

There is usually an (implicit) other entity that might like to control the territory if given the chance.

A territory implies authority.

Almost in a political or military sense.

So it would be slightly metaphorical, perhaps, to say my garden is my territory: a bit ironic, like a little joke.

A husband might say that the kitchen is his wife's territory.

Thereby implying that she holds sway over the kitchen, and not he.

And he must defer to her commands while in the kitchen.

Vitaly

Would the wife be scent-marking the kitchen, too?

Cerberus

Yes.

Vitaly

That explains a lot.

Cerberus

With spices and lavender.

Vitaly

23:36

@Cerberus Don't the bills circulate in roughly enclosed areas though? How do you suppose a stamped bill could get into a remote village? Not to mention that people in remote villages don't even tend to use money anyway, they eat off their veg beds mostly.

Mahnax

Hello.

Vitaly

Hey.

Mahnax

How are you this evening?

user19161

@Mahnax You are very polite.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Uh, thank you.

Hello to you as well, Jasper.

Cerberus

23:39

@Vitaly I should think they will (slowly) spread around the country, cities first? Example: I have 4 euro coins in my wallet.

5 cents: Dutch.

5 cents: France.

50 cents: Belgian.

20 cents: Germany.

Vitaly

@Cerberus And how exactly would they spread from a city?

Cerberus

People buy stuff in a city, get change in their wallet, go to another city, spend it there.

My coins are from: 2001, 2002, 2008, 2010.

So who knows how far they will spread in time?

Mahnax

Oh, dear. Carlo has been making quite a mess on Meta.

Cerberus

Hello.

Vitaly

Coins aren't bills.

user19161

23:44

@Mahnax Indeed. I figure he is in his early twenties.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy I don't think his age is really relevant at the moment.

@Cerberus Hi!

Cerberus

@Vitaly True. I would expect notes to spread faster but die sooner.

Mahnax

Oh, on that note, in Canada we're switching to plastic bills.

Cerberus

What!?

Mahnax

(see what I did there?)

Cerberus

23:47

I...

Mahnax

We're switching to plastic bills.

Cerberus

Oh, yes, the note.

Nice one.

Vitaly

Gah. Cerberus's avatar looks too much like Carlo's now if you don't pay attention.

It's annoying.

Mahnax

So far, the 100s and 50s are plastic, and the plastic 20s will start circulating soon.

Cerberus

Really? Poor Carlo, for you to associate him with me!

Mahnax

23:47

@Vitaly How?

Perhaps you mean Jasper?

Vitaly

4 hours ago, by Vitaly

@Cerberus Done. Hopefully now I can avoid getting into pointless arguments about the epistemic would.

Or Carlo's old avatar, anyway. It had too much red in it.

Mahnax

Oh, I see.

Well, Jasper's and Carlo's look very similar now.

Cerberus

Is this what it looks like?

Mahnax

No.

You can see through them, and they fold.

Vitaly

Yes! More plastic!!

Mahnax

23:51

They are very difficult to tear, and they will last longer than the paper/cotton bills.

Cerberus

Hmm interesting.

Vitaly

►

Cerberus

Why not.

Mahnax

@Vitaly Haha.

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