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2:23 AM

So lately I've been doing software stuff involving disassemblers and decompilers.

And there's a part of my brain which very strongly believes that if the code output by a disassembler is called the disassembly (as it is), undoubtedly the code output by a decompiler is called the decompily.

SmokeDetector

4:24 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): What is the meaning of using a past participle after of'? by dochoihahuy on english.SE

Scientist Smith YT

5:31 AM

@All Who downvoted the question @marcellothearcane asked? Either the person who downvoted it doesnt know what they were doing, or they were having fun with it, or because they felt like it without a real reason. Like I mean I wouldn't EVER downvote someone else's question that is a legit question and is on topic for no reason, because I felt like it or because I was having a bad day. If I was downvoting it for fun I would very soon retract my down vote and up vote it.

Does anybody else agree with me? On that we shouldn't just ruin a persons reputation or risk suspending or blocking another persons abilities to post a question because we or another person feels like it.

@SmokeDetector There's nothing wrong with that question asked by dochoihahuy. Its on topic and is a legit question. Can you tell me what else is wrong with that question and why it should be down voted?

SE was made for people to ask questions. Legit and on topic questions. That's all of the requirements that need to be met. And those are legit and reasonable expectations and rules. We as people can't down vote or disrupt legit and on topic questions.

SE has rules, there are moderators that are supposed to uphold those rules and enforce them. But they can't do it alone so we should also help out by following the rules as well. Which also means taking the -4 downvotes off and turning then into upvotes.

All I am saying is I'm noticing and pointing something out that's not right and shouldn't be allowed and isn't allowed anyways.

It's also something we all ought to be thinking about as well. But other than that its very late here and I need some Z's. Went to bed around 3 last night, woke up at 6 this morning and been working out in the shop since 10:30 tonight so a good 16 and a half hour day working. I've been working on a 34,000 lumen light bar for my bike.

marcellothearcane

6:01 AM

@ScientistSmithYT downvotes in meta are 'I disagree' rather than 'this is a bad question'. I don't think I lose rep for downvotes on questions in meta.

@ScientistSmithYT someone spammed it because it is a copy of this - hence the 'manually reporting'

Scientist Smith YT

6:17 AM

@marcellothearcane Oh ok got it. It doesn't show its on meta for me. It shows it as it's on the main site.

@marcellothearcane Was your question migrated?

@SmokeDetector This is weird. On my device it showed it on the main site. But I guess it's not.

marcellothearcane

6:41 AM

@ScientistSmithYT hang on... Which question is this? I've asked lots recently 😬

M.A.R.

8:00 AM

@ScientistSmithYT Why are you assuming intentions that were never made public? What if the other person has a reasonable explanation for why they downvoted, and they simply disagree with yours?

@ScientistSmithYT SmokeDetector is a bot that reports posts it finds suspicious to be spam in chatrooms we want it to. It's not a real person. It has also helped reduce the number of spam most users see on different SE sites to zero. You can read more in the link it provided: git.io/vyDZv

@ScientistSmithYT By that logic, upvoting and downvoting simply wouldn't have existed. On-topicness is too low a bar to able to usefully separate the wheat from the chaff. Content you think is high quality and will help future visitors may be upvoted, or vice versa. That said, of course people might develop some habits and quirks as to how they use their votes, it's of course not always by the book. We can't not let them have their say, however, unless it's a case of fraud, such as

[contd.] up- or downvoting someone else's posts en masse.

@ScientistSmithYT A single downvote is not at all likely to cause a question ban, unless the poster has a history of bad contributions.

@marcellothearcane Unfortunately the recent meta (and company) consensus is migration is a very bad UX for all of the sides involved, rightfully so. Migration paths stopped being the hot thing since, 2017, I think. It's really tough as well in that the users who VTC the question for migration need to be familiar with where they're migrating the post to as well, and that's usually not the case.

I cannot imagine any migration paths being approved at the moment, no matter how justified or common they may seem. It seems to be a task delegated to moderators as they seem to be the only people consistently avidly following Don't. Migrate. Crap.

*delegated entirely

marcellothearcane

8:38 AM

@M.A.R. Hmm, that's an interesting point of view. Thanks

Mitch

3:09 PM

@M.A.R. so is the consensus then instead of migrating to just close outright?

If so, I recommend immediate institution of the regex auto-closing of anything with any of these words in the title:
can
grammatical
IELTS
please
correct
help
explain
advi[cs]e
should
girlfriend
why

If they really want to ask it, they can go to meta to ask to reopen (with explanation).

Scientist Smith YT

6:05 PM

@marcellothearcane This one: english.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13378/…

@M.A.R. If the new rule of hand for voting is now used for disagreeing or agreeing. Instead of used for saying its a bad question or a good question. Then that's different. Other than that if it's not changed voting is still the same.

@M.A.R. If they have a legit and real reason why they down voted the question that is acceptable by the public. Then it's right. Other than that nope.

marcellothearcane

6:30 PM

@ScientistSmithYT yeah, I asked that on meta

Scientist Smith YT

@marcellothearcane Huh... Yeah it shows it on the main site for me.

M.A.R.

@ScientistSmithYT You should read more on What's Meta.

@Mitch Well, I wish it was on ELU. You should migrate questions that are good questions, just asked on the wrong site. How common is that? Perhaps for most ELUers, that would imply that no question should be migrated to ELL on those grounds.

Scientist Smith YT

@M.A.R. Ok will do

M.A.R.

Y'know, just . . . screw it. I checked ELL's main page yesterday and what I feared came into being: Less than 5 questions out of the 50 newest had a score higher than zero

Hi @Justin

Justin

@M.A.R. - Hello!

M.A.R.

6:48 PM

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Q: Diversity disambiguation Q&A - do we need a new SE for cultural differencies and misunderstandings and their disambiguation?

Diversity is a great fun, sometimes puzzling, sometimes embarrassing, often totally absurdous but anyway you can learn a lot about other (sub)cultures and actually your own too. Same things familiar and clear to you could have completely different "codes" in other (sub)cultures. Note this does n...

"absurdous"? Is that a word?

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