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American Sign Language (ASL) is a sign language, a language in which the hands, arms, head, facial expression and body language are used to speak without sound. ASL is not related to English, and features an entirely different grammar and vocabulary. In the 1960s, ASL was sometimes referred to as "Ameslan" but this term is now obsolete. ASL is the dominant sign language of deaf communities in the United States and English-speaking parts of Canada. Although the United Kingdom and the United States / Canada share English as a common oral and written language, British Sign Language (BSL) ...
Some do manage to get by without the audio track.
Actually, Kosmonaut had some interesting observations about sign language. Apparently it is as expressive in its own right as sound language, and has a number of different ways to convey meaning. One of the most interesting things he talked about was creating spaces in the air to hold ideas, which they could then refer to like a clipboard tool, bringing ideas back into the conversation when appropriate.
Oh, like pronouns.
Nice.
Yes, pronouns are a good analogy. But it seems easier to make the referents clear in sign language, possibly.
> ASL grammar is completely unrelated to that of English. It lacks the inflections of English, such as tense and number, and does not use articles such as "the", but its spatial mode of expression has enabled it to develop an elaborate system of grammatical aspect that is absent from English.
> ASL grammar was obscured for much of its history by the practice of glossing it rather than transcribing it (see Writing systems below), a practice which conveyed little of its grammar apart from word order.
Yeah it's quite interesting.
Still, would you give your child cochlear implants, or not?
 
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Ugh, it's ruined!
I had 6k exactly and some person came along and ruined it.
sniffles
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@Mahnax You may downvote 5 answers.
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@Mahnax Have a tissue.
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@ClarkKent 10.
 
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@Vitaly I appreciate the effort you've gone to, to expound your point of view. However, I still disagree with you completely, based on the evidence I see around me; to wit, happy smiling Christians. These are not Melanesian spider-worshippers, (sorry, some of your messages may have blurred into one, in my mind, I got befuddled when you promised @KitFox you'd withdraw after eight seconds).
These are genuinely fulfilled people who count themselves lucky to have God in their lives - there are many such here in New Zealand; and I kind of assumed that @Meysam was in the same category.
*lucky to have being part of a tribe in their lives
Unless you have evidence to the contrary. Then, of course, I'll be happy to learn about it.
06:57
Sorry, I don't mean to 're-comment' but I'm not sure if my last message got through. How does 700 words and 8 paragraphs sound for a scholarship's personal statement? I'm just afraid that it might be tossed for being too long. However, it is well organized in to paragraphs.
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@Jeremy It sounds alright to me. Unless this is an exam in which you are penalized for violating the word count, it does not really matter. Guidelines are for guide, not for strict adherence. This is how I see it.
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@Jeremy Also, good luck for the scholarship. May the force be with you.
@ClarkKent Lol, thanks.
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@Mahnax Silly me, I have forgotten the rep rules. You are right.
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@Jeremy I usually use very few words myself. I find that I can say the same things most people say in half the number of words. But sometimes using more words helps to add some colour. But it seems most people are just overly verbose.
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07:08
@Jeremy Also, remember not to use lol in your essay!
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@Vitaly been
@ClarkKent Yeah I know xd. I was careful not to be, as you put it, overly verbose. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate that.
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@ClarkKent being, because it's a noun there, not part of the present perfect construction. Lucky to have ice-cream in their lives. Lucky to have libraries in their lives. Lucky to have being part of a tribe in their lives.
08:04
good morgen
08:43
Is it me, or...?
 
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When talking to non-native speakers should I capitalise the beginning of sentences?
10:53
why wouldn't you?
I wouldn't want to confuse them
11:14
which means you SHOULD, right?
Hmm, I think you've missed the nonsense of my suggestion :D
unless you haven't in which case, pronouncing capital letters often scares the poor buggers
Hahaha, joke's on me. Well done.
So if this isn't "talking", should we refer to "chat rooms" as "type rooms"?
that thought crossed my mind too :) I find it odd that I think of this correspondence as talking
You are indeed a child of the 20th century.
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@MattЭллен Yes.
12:08
@Cerberus OK. WILL do.
12:21
Ahh now I understand you at last.
LOL IF only I'd known
I actually have a desire to make videos of me making hats
I have a desire to watch videos of you making hats.
You mean that literally, right?
YES
I don't know if I could make a hat in 5 minutes, but I might be able to cut together the important scenes
Millinery is an art. You can't just throw a hat together in 5 minutes.
Hmmm. Maybe after I'm done training for this charity bike ride...
12:32
What are charity bikes?
Geezis, it is cold in here.
Hello
They're like normal bikes, but with slots in for money
Oh, I see.
I have a question as always. Could anyone help?
Ask away, Monica
12:34
regarding what I can ask on here
:)
Well, you don't proffread documents on the main site
that's true
as far as I know, but is it possible to proofread translations?
We will not search text for errors, on the main site.
Some people have been known to do it in chat, though
12:37
pasting the whole text on here seems difficult
maybe start with one or two sentences that are bothering you the most, and work from there
Also, there are methods of providing a link to a document.
I didn't know
may I know of them?
Um. There's ifile.it.
There's one that is like a notepad, but I can't remember the name of it.
I see
12:43
depending on the size pastebin might work
Pastebin, that's what I was thinking of.
Oh, I have never heard of it
but I have to sign up first
Only for editing and deleting?
yes, just for editing
to make sure everything is right
Try this one then.
12:46
so I just copy and paste the text
really? you should be able to just paste and go pastebin.com/afr4cKdc
That's what I was thinking.
and then provide the link
?
3,2,1 ...?
12:47
Yes, that's easy
Oh! Wow
I can talk now, juhu.
Thank you, both
you're welcome
How does "happen" alter the meaning of a verb?
do you have an example, Meysam?
12:49
I also have a sentence I wanted to ask you about
Yes?
Can you hear me?
I don't see my own messages in Chrome.
Hi @Gigili!
@Gigili reading you loud and clear
12:50
"Because the + operator in C# internally translates to String.Concat, which is a static method. And this method happens to treat null like an empty string."
I have a question too if you please
@Meysamرهادربند It means something like "coincidentally" or "by the way."
@Monica OK. What is it?
In a few days Lucy finished all her matters/deals with the selling of the house, the lot and the car and started to get ready for her departure.
"So I met a really interesting person who happens to be my brother's dentist. How strange is that?"
@KitFox Ok so I assume that "happen" has been used in the wrong context because there is nothing accidental in C#.
12:53
@Meysamرهادربند No, it's not accidental.
@Meysamرهادربند it might be of tangential interest, but, the hap in happen is the same hap as in perhaps and happy. It comes from a word meaning luck or chance
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A: What is the meaning of "Good Grief"?

kenpolitical correct anals and suches

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 oh yes! how could I forget?
should I have included 'connected with'?
Ohmygodjoeblownononono
@Monica Well, you don't "finish matters with something". That doesn't sound right.
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so 'coonected with' should be removed
"In a few days, Lucy finished dealing with the selling of the house, the lot, and the car, and started to get ready for her departure."
You could use connected with, if you want more words.
"In a few days, Lucy finished dealing with all of the matters connected to the selling of the house, the lot, and the car, and started to get ready for her departure."
'Connected to' flows a bit better here, because we've already used 'with' once.
I didn't know which word I should have used
deals, matters, etc
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@monica Can you accept answers now?
No, I can't
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@Vitaly Ah yes, OK. Amazing!
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13:03
I was about to click downvote when I realized that I had resolved not to downvote after reaching 1000 downvotes. So now I still have a nice 1000. Yay!
Thank you, Kitfox
I wish proofreading were allowed on the main site
:( :( :(
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Then this site would become hell overnight.
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Also, why is my browser marking almost every word I type as an error?
Wrong language context?
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Interestingly, almost each time a person complains about downvotes or closevotes on meta, his question there will be severely downvoted as well!
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13:09
@KitFox Can't be, I chose BrE in both browser and OS. Well, weird things always happen to me.
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Maybe soon a miracle may happen, since that would be weird too.
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For those installing Mageia 2, in case you are reading this, note that you must not remove the hardware packages claimed to be not used by the system in the installer. They are actually used.
could you check this one too? Everything went off just as she had planned.
@Meysamرهادربند It is presented as accidental in thet sentence: it means that null could have been treated as something other than an empty string in C#, but, for some less-than-forcing reasons, it is treated as such.
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@Monica Omit the off.
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Everything went just as she had planned.
Isn't null an empty string?
Okay, and why I cannot talk?
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@Gigili Aren't you talking now?
Hello.
Hi.
@Monica You can use 'off' there if you want.
13:17
I was forced to switch to FF so I cannot enjoy talking as much as before.
Everything is broken. &$*&$%(#*%$#(*$%#.
I am trying to find a word, but my Russian dictionary gives some strange ones
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@KitFox Ah yes, you are right, sorry.
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@Gigili What has the browser got to do with talking?
Some weird actions that I cannot explain.
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@Gigili But do you have any problems logging into chat?
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13:22
Are you on Windows? Also, why is Lucifer using Fedora 10?
No.
I'm on Windows, and Lucifer is using Fedora 10 because he can.
@Gigili Since other FF users don't have that, I don't think it has to do with FF.
Is it still happening?
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I tried chrome a few days ago and links did not work too well.
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I still prefer FF.
They both work fine.
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@Gigili That came out in 2008 and security updates ended in 2009.
@Cerberus My messages are not shown on Chrome, but I'm facing different issues on FF.
Is it "on" or "in"?
Inside.
Like the little arrow which I used to reply to a message is not there.
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@Gigili That's weird. I see all the arrows I need to see.
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@Gigili I would use "in" there.
I wonder if it's about to discriminating on grounds of race, sex, or religion.
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I doubt it, but welcome to the club if weird things happen to you all the time!
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13:30
So, the termite-like creatures that appear in my room every April did not appear this year. Instead another ant-like creature appeared this year. How weird!
Thanks for your warm greetings.
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They appear in the hundreds and one needs to use masking tape to tape them up from the floor.
Where are the bees in size of hand?
Where exactly do you live? In the middle of Amazon jungles?
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No, it's just that you can't really prevent insects from appearing now and then.
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But the huge bee has disappeared.
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13:32
But there are always some lizards hanging outside trying to get in.
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Luckily there are no cockroaches.
Sounds like a horror movie.
Could you check this extract too? Everything was quite versimiliar; the falling from the stairs, the head injury, the sudden decline of her eyesight, and exhausting hypertension. She deceived the doctors by taking Atropine eyedrops everyday. She really coudn't see anything. There was no fall from the stairs, no injury and no hypertension.
@Gigili Both are OK.
AFK
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@Monica What is versimiliar?
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Oh, I had trouble finding the English equivalent
for this word
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@Monica I would use a colon there instead of a semicolon.
probable, likely
maybe these are better?
@Cerberus Ant For (de) King?
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@Monica Do you want to mean convincing there?
Exactly
:)
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Convincing, yes.
Why non English dictionaries give so starnge words?
It all made sense: falling down the stairs, the head injury, etc.
So the rest is fine?
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@Monica I would use a colon instead of a semicolon as mentioned.
Atropine would take a small 'a' as well. It's not a proper name.
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I will start with: Everything was quite convincing:the falling from the stairs, the head injury, the sudden decline of her eyesight, and exhausting hypertension. She deceived the doctors by taking Atropine eyedrops everyday. She really coudn't see anything. There was no fall from the stairs, no injury and no hypertension
'couldn't' You've got a typo there.
But it's the name of the eye drops
Atropine is a generic chemical name.
Yes, have just noticed
Also, it's 'every day' not 'everyday.'
13:42
ah, I see
Oh, I was typing too quickly
Convincing doesn't sit quite right.
It fits, but only if she actually fell from stairs, etc.
It sounds like she is making up a story.
She is. She is trying to convince people that she really fell from the stairs
but she pretended
So the word choice isn't quite right then.
believable perhaps?
which word would you use?
13:46
Maybe credible.
yeah, that sounds good
I like "believable" but it rather tips your hand.
Or maybe plausible.
Yes, I think I would choose "plausible."
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Q: Is the opposite of "die-hard fan" "kill-hard hater"?

InglishI was just wondering if there is any word we can use as the opposite of "die-hard fan". I started using my own words randomly like "kill-hard hater" "kill-brutal hater" and I may discover few more in this pattern if I don't find the answer :P

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It's not clear what is meant by opposite there.
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It could be a fan who only supports when winning, or someone who wants the team to lose.
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Yet he had the audacity to downvote the answer given to him.
"She was a very credible victim. Everything was quite plausible: the falling from the stairs, the head injury, the sudden decline of her eyesight, and exhausting hypertension."
I have to add that she took eyedrops in her both eyes
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@Monica both her eyes
She was a murderer not the visctim. Does this change anything?
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I still like "convincing" there myself.
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She deceived the doctors by taking atropine eyedrops everyday in both her eyes..
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@Monica every day
yes, I just copied and pasted it
So I will use either convincing, credible, believable, or plausible
I would say "using atropine eyedrops"
And even though she's the murderess, she's a credible victim, which means that a person could easily believe that she was a victim.
Is the way I put 'both her eyes' right?
Yeah, that works.
Do you really need to mention that it was both eyes though? I would assume that.
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@ClarkKent It's so tempting with questions like this to treat ELU like sci.lang and just start answering with abandon...just for entermtainment value.
I have to translate from the original where it is mentioned
"In both eyes" might sound a little more natural then.
I will remove 'her' then
Remove me?
How often can I consult such nuances on here?
14:02
Don't you dare remove me.
@Monica whenever you like, really. Sometimes there might not be people to answer you
I see . Thank you very much. Your comments and corrections are very helpful
I am referring to you both
You are welcome.
Gigili what do you mean?
She's joking.
14:04
Ah, I see
:D
I have to go now
Take care, everyone
See you
See you, then :)
14:19
@Matt how do I use javascript to get the value of a hidden field?
Someone downvoted an answer of mine that had +1 score, and so I had 6080 rep. The answer sucked, so I deleted it, and now I have 6k again!
is happy
@KitFox jQuery('#hiddenid').val() I think
Oh. That's simple.
it's just like a normal input element
Friggedy frig.
14:24
goddamn I hate vendors of proprietary .net libraries. they make this shit so hard to test with.
Can you use something else, like python?
alas, no
well, I could but it would take longer to figure out how to get the library to work with .net
I might as well figure out how to integrate lapack
that would be faster than python and just as hard to integrate
Sorry, man.
You're looking for a .net matrix math library, right?
thanks. it's really stressing me out.
I've got to run an errand. bbl.
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@KitFox yeah, I've tried 6 so far. 2 are unseable because they're too slow and 3 have such bad APIs I don't know how to use them
CU
@MattЭллен I'll ask around, see if I can find anything.
thanks :)
too slow: Math.NET, extreme optimisation
to confusing to even test: ILnumerics, IMSL.NET, Centerspace NMath
Currently usable for testing, but too slow to release with: bluebit
14:51
Why don't you ask on SO?
I've read the questions on SO and they give the above options :)
@DavidWallace could help you with that if he was here.
I could put a bounty on one though...
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@MattЭллен I can't help you with computer stuff, unless it's installing a distro, since I have installed over 9000 distros!
so i noticed!
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14:56
I know about all the small little bugs that noone cares about, like a little dot here or there!
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@meysam Who is the man in your avatar?

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