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00:05
It is 8 AM here.
01:31
Farage Refuses To Deny He’s Applied For German Citizenship And I’ve Written My Best Pun Ever https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/nigel-farage-refuses-to-deny-claim-hes-applying-for-german-c https://t.co/NqIlg4SGKa
If you can't find the photograph, it's 'Facial Herr'
02:11
I wish we could have three.
Oh.
Not that way, though.
 
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04:17
Here is evidence that popular usage isn't always king, according to both the present and past editions of the Encyclopædia Britanica:
05:03
@Tonepoet Reading the development chronologically, it looks like the first dictionary word, 'a', finally popped free and escaped. Sets a bad example to the other words. That's so discouraging - might as well give up printing the whole encyclop... hang on a minute :P
(only kidding :) )
05:22
Come to think of it, I didn't make my ngram go all the way back to see where Google pinpoints the origins. Oh well...
I think I know the answer to this, but I just wanted to double check. Is "self-deceptive" a word?
user227867
To see if it is a word, check the dictionary.
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Whether that's a noun adjunct or a single compound word is arguable I think.
user227867
Whether to write ice cream, ice-cream, or icecream, check the dictionary.
Though I've never seen self-deceptive. I think you mean self-deception?
user227867
05:35
@Tonepoet You haven't changed your avatar. I just changed mine. =)
@JasperLoy If one book could be considered the definitive dictionary for modern words today, that wouldn't be problematic but as things are recommendations on ice-cream vary from book to book and source to source:
user227867
@ktm5124 oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/self-deception It is a word since it is listed there.
user227867
@Tonepoet As long as it is in one authoritative source, it is acceptable.
user227867
@Tonepoet That shows how unprofessional Oxford is. I think I should stop buying their dictionaries...
user227867
05:43
@Tonepoet I currently have 5 Oxford dictionaries: Eng, Ger, Fre, Ita, Spa,
They probably figured nobody would notice it, except for people massively reproducing the entire work.
user227867
I am very disappointed in Oxford. I think it's time to switch.
user227867
This is an extremely stupid and unethical thing to do.
I was just saying that the other day.
user227867
I should write to them to reprimand them.
user227867
05:47
You should get more sleep, bye.
Bye Jasper.
 
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07:55
Buy Jasper.
08:06
Hi, what's a salary indication? "Welcome to the Salary Survey. Please complete our survey on work and wages. You receive a Salary Indication. You can win a prize."
09:05
@Meysam Sounds like an indication, based on the answers to the survey, of what your salary might be. But it's capitalised, so it might be a defined term. Then again, so is Salary Survey.
Is there an adjective which means "something that may occasionally happen"? I don't mean "possible". I have a vague feeling that there is one but I cannot remember it. Maybe I am wrong. Example: "handle failure if it happens", replace "if it happens" by an adjective of "failure".
@Szabolcs That sounds like a candidate for the single-word-requests tag on the main site :) .
@Szabolcs Consider "on" - expand "it" to the actual symptom (e.g. leaks), then you get something like "handle failure on leakage".
I'm not sure that "if it happens" is an adjective, though. "On" isn't.
@Szabolcs What's the noun you're trying to describe with the adective you're looking for?
@Lawrence It's not really important, I just had this feeling that there should be a better way to express this very concisely. I wanted to say "pass through ADJECTIVE failure" in a comment in some program. A function can return a "result" or a "failure object". Another function which calls it can transform the result or just pass through the failure.
Also, "something that may occasionally happen" looks like a noun phrase, not an adjective.
@Szabolcs Then "on" is probably as concise as you'll get. :)
Thanks!
09:17
:)
 
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10:41
@Szabolcs handle possible failures, handle any failure. Is your native language a Romance one? Those have eventually for what you're looking for. Spanish: eventualmente; French: éventuellement, etc.
11:28
Could somebody please suggest another word for "speculatively" in this sentence: "By sending my CV to employers speculatively"
11:54
I just came across this curious gem while researching the use of the word bounty: in 1720 a royal proclamation offered £100 for the unmasking of murderers or highway robbers, sometimes worth as much as £100. I wonder how much those £100 rewards were worth at other times.
@Meysam What are you trying to say by the term "speculatively"?
user227867
12:18
I just ate three small fish fillets.
12:58
@Lawrence Wages for eighteenth-century women could range from the £2 or so mentioned above to between £6 and £8 for a housemaid, and up to £15 per annum for a skilled housekeeper. By contrast a footman could expect £8 per year, and a coachman anywhere between £12 and £26. Because they had to provide their own food, lodging and clothing, independent artisans needed to earn substantially more than this. £15 to £20 per year was a low wage, and a figure closer to £40 was needed to keep a family.
The middling sort required much more still and could not expect to live comfortably for under £100 per year, while the boundary between the "middling sort" and the simply rich was in the region of £500. The First Lord of the Treasury enjoyed an annual salary of £4,000
And that guy was appointed in 1714
@Helmar Perhaps so, but I was simply pointing out the oddity that an offer of £100 would only sometimes be "worth as much as £100". Surely, an offer of £100 would always be worth £100, and not merely some lower figure.
Oh, yeah, that's creatively phrased. I just assumed there could be mitigating factors like the recipients status, the robbers condition, if they just unmask them or if it's followed by a capture, sth. like that.
13:13
:)
14:11
What's the third shape of "set" verb? Is it "setted"? I want to use it like this: "I've setted something to that "
settdeded
@DEAD are you serious?
No, I'm dead
@MartinAJ I've set something like that.
14:15
@DEAD :-)
@KitZ.Fox ah tnx
> It will be set up. Future
Facepalm
14:42
Hey @MετάEd did you get my ping in the election room? Someone was complaining about candidates who hadn't answered the questionnaire. I'm afraid that not doing so would make you look bad and that's a shame since I think you'd make a great mod.
Is this sentence correct?
> Why SO doesn't let us see who has downvoted us? I need to know, because I want to revenge ..!!!
@Shafizadeh Nope.
And wherever you want to say that, don't.
@DEAD are you alive ?
No, I'm DEAD.
I always thought you were 57005
14:52
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 135450
@Shafizadeh Why does SO not let us see who has downvoted us or Why doesn't SO let us see who downvoted us but not Why SO doesn't. . .
@terdon ah thx
Also I want revenge, not I want to revenge
I really, really hope that was just a random example though. Wanting revenge for downvotes is kinda ridiculous.
@DEAD Indeed
Unless you want to go old school and say I want to revenge myself upon them or something.
I don't recommend that though.
@MετάEd okay... not seeing how you get that number
15:01
http://chat.stackexchange.com/users/135450/dead
ah. whoosh. gotcha
Nice number innit
I just fell in love with it
Heh, I like my U&L one: http://unix.stackexchange.com/users/22222/terdon
@terdon The closest I get to that is 14111, on ELL
16:02
@Lawrence Thats not what I am saying. I am quoting it.
16:14
@terdon Ridiculous in the sense that when downvoted everybody feels bad and a natural implication might be to strike back, but that would be terribly petty. Except that lots of people feel that way anyway.
I get my revenge by downvoting everyone on the site, that way I'm sure to get whomever it was downvoted me
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 BWAHHA you can't downvote me
You can't
Never posted anything?
16:28
Mhm
@JasperLoy Thanks, Jasper! That was really helpful.
I'm glad this chat room exists.
Hm, I'll have to update my policy to also finding all ELU users who've never posted and downvote them on other networks
16:42
That's so negative. The right thing to do when you realize that someone has downvoted you is to go upvote everyone else but them on all postings on the network.
@Meysam That's fine, but since you're asking for an alternative word, you need to describe the sense that you'd like that alternative to take. Or put a different way: you can supply a word and ask for its meaning, or you can supply a meaning and ask for a word. But if you withhold both the word and its meaning, we won't know what you're after.
@Mitch Just wondering: why 3 copies of TL;DR in your comment, two of which were quoted? It looks like a sentence, but I don't really understand the part after the full stop.
@tchrist Oh, but I usually don't know who downvoted me. That's why I have to dv everyone.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You can probably ignore folks with under 125 rep. Except for Community♦ of course. That's probably the bastard who did it. Make sure to downvote that guy.
17:03
I downvote him the hardest.
17:18
@Shafizadeh correct but the attitude isn't
17:31
What's an idiom meaning "Don't get so excited just yet! Slow down a bit."?
The context being, someone hears that a certain job they think they can do gives them good compensation. They get all excited about the payoff, before they even get the commission and put in the hard work.
@ktm5124 hold your horses, don't count your chickens before they hatch... ?
hold your chickens
@ktm5124 calm down?
@caub :)
17:58
@Lawrence It's intentionally a puzzle. anyway, in quotes means I'm referring to it, outside of quotes means I'm using it. I meant all three, just the last one doesn't work that well.
@ktm5124 keep your pants on
I mean "keep your pants on"
@MattE.Эллен don't count your horses before you bring them to water, but you can't make them cross it
@Mitch don't lie in your bed before you fluff your pillows
the squeaky wheel gets the gold
@MattE.Эллен lie down with lions, get up with sheep
a rolling stone shouldn't be thrown in moss houses
@Mitch a stitch in time saves a penny a day keeps the doctor away
look before he who hesitates
@MattE.Эллен That would come out to be.... $1.33 (no sales tax because it is food)
@MattE.Эллен from me oh my, what happened here is your order sir
18:06
angels rush in where fools and their money are easily parted
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 These are good, thanks!
haste makes waste not want not
@MattE.Эллен wait... I thought angels were the scaredy cats
metaphorically. but when fools have money, all bets are off
or, as the Greeks say, three birds were sitting, knitting a jumper
fighting like two kilkenny cats i'th'adage, where I dare not trust the sweetest frame
@MattE.Эллен That's so Greek
@ktm5124 You should use mine and Matt's instead.
18:17
Also "Whoa there fella!"
all pain and no gain makes jack master of none
holy crap, August is almost over
it's only the 19th, there are a good 12 days left
2 days ago, by Kit Z. Fox
Holy crap, what shall we do about August then?
@MattE.Эллен it's past the middle mark = almost over
51% = landslide
@Mitch Thanks, but your responses are vaguely sexual :)
@Mitch unless people don't get their way, in which case it's close enough to have the referendum run again
@ktm5124 most of them not. But yes 'keep your pants' on could by saucy or it could be scatalogical.
Pends on which pants.
@MattE.Эллен No sideways brexit references in chat
@tchrist mind reels at the possibilities
body jigs at the lack thereof
only full on references?
18:36
uh... sure
18:46
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Q: how English Grammar can be improved?

Masroor_ShahHow can i improve my english upto level? I do a lot of mistakes in grammar my friend says to me but i do not how to improve... I am using wren and martin high school english grammar now

19:37
When you want to "undo an allegation", how would you phrase this? I thought of a few possibilities... "withdraw the allegation", "retract the allegation", and "recant the allegation", but these don't show up too frequently on ngrams.
I also tried, "take back an allegation".
19:52
@ktm5124 did you look for just 'the allegation' and see what words come before it?
Ooh...ngrams has a cool feature.
search for '_VERB the allegation' to see which verbs are most common beforehand
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@ktm5124 not so fast..it's not working right for me... play with it until we figure it out
20:11
@Mitch Ah, thanks, Mitch! I figured it out. *_VERB the allegation
I was led to this by an article from The Atlantic: theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/…
20:28
@ktm5124 me too. spent all this time trying to figure out their weird restrictions.
so refute or deny are the most common
Hmm, but if you're the one who made the allegation, and you would like to withdraw it, then those don't fit.
?? I'm just saying that those are the most relevant common ones. I'm not trying to make a case for them as right for your situation
You should rescind your implicit allegation, good sir.
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@Mitch You might like the above article I listed.
20:45
@ktm5124 How is that one any different from the article you listed above? :)
"Oh, my condolences" means "Oh, I agree" ?
@MartinAJ not usually
So what's the meaning of "Oh, my condolences" ?
what does your dictionary say? google.ca/…
21:02
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I got it ..
It's basically an expression meaning you're sorry for someone's loss/hardship
gotta run. ttyl
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They're experimenting on me, aren't they.
I can tell by the way they look at me
Their beady little eyes. Like butter wouldn't melt in their mouth.
I bet chocolate would. It would be just like them.Them and their kind.
Mark my words.
Believe me.
I am not a criminal.
Crook.
That woman!
Sad!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah .. it will be used when a person die. You say that to other people
21:08
I had a condolence once.
Too much maintenance required
all the scrubbing
and polishing
and the lies. The lies!
sorry, I meant 'the flies. The Flies!
a subtle difference.
neither do you want near your soup.
 
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22:31
Does anyone know what this use of "had" means? imgur.com/ArMB7BE
Goin now but will check in a few hours, so please if you know, answer.
@Jakub It's a weird way of saying God had Timblerands on, whatever those are. That he was wearing them.
22:58
@Mitch Ok, thanks.
23:15
@tchrist It's a brand of shoe.
Please remind me to correct an injustice.
I'll know what you mean.
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A: Origin of the Old English word, 'blithe'

sumelicThere are a few confusing issues here. For one thing, it's an oversimplification, or outright wrong, to say that "ei" came from combining Old French and Old English. I guess you may be talking about the answer to this question (Why is it true that “I before E, except after C”?)? I don't like tha...

@Cerberus ^^^ You'll like that.
23:30
Merriam-Webster's paywall isn't very well engineered.
@tchrist Oh, hello.
It'll block you from performing a search but if you make a link to the word you can see it...
What makes you think that that was not deliberate?
Because performing the search gives you the U.R.L. to enter.
Making the defeat of their subscription model trivial.
Granted that's actually putting words in my mouth, since it may very well be deliberate. I just said it's not very smart or well designed. =P
23:59
@tchrist A good answer indeed.

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