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00:54
And then there were none.
None at all?
There was one village...
01:16
All users left. No users left.
We're the only ones left.
How tragic.
What now?
01:31
PAAARTY!!!
:D
Ooo.
We dance on the ruins of chat?
yup
This room is only big enough for one skull <\joke> @Silenus
I guess I better leave :P
Oh, dear!
Maybe you could clash skulls.
Or rattle bones.
01:46
::awaits reply from Silenus::
Is "Silenus" Latin for silent?
Alas, no.
It is the name of a faun of sorts.
A minor deity.
In Greek mythology, Silenus (/saɪˈliːnəs/; Greek: Σειληνός Seilēnos) was a companion and tutor to the wine god Dionysus. He is typically older than the satyrs of the Dionysian retinue (thiasos), and sometimes considerably older, in which case he may be referred to as a Papposilenus. The plural sileni refers to the mythological figure as a type that is sometimes thought to be differentiated from a satyr by having the attributes of a horse rather than a goat, though usage of the two words is not consistent enough to permit a sharp distinction. == Evolution of the character == The original Silenus...
02:21
Wait, where's Smokey?
03:02
No idea.
03:29
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Is "et al." used as a singular or plural subject? by Tammy George on english.stackexchange.com
 
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04:41
Speak of the devil^ @tchrist
Anonymous
04:54
> It depends whether you want to participate or not.
Anonymous
Omitting the "on" is non-standard. You'll run across it in casual use, but there's no reason to emulate that; using the "on" will not mark your speech as formal or affected. — StoneyB 5 hours ago
Anonymous
What do you think? Is the OP's sentence non-standard?
05:08
Hi everyone
 
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06:29
@Nomanaliabbasi Hello
I wonder why dictionaries say /j/ may be dropped after /n/ in American English in the word "cornucopia" but not in the word "sternutation." It seems inconsistent.
 
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08:34
@sumelic I guess because that's how people speak. People is unconsistent
09:32
@snailplane needs more on
 
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11:58
@snailplane I don't think it's "non-standard". I doubt I'd even notice it.
@tchrist Really? You don't find this one a little strange:
> It depends whether you want to participate or not.
Huh. Maybe not, actually.
I'd still have used the on though.
I'm pretty sure I would use the on.
Me too
But not completely sure.
When you use whether, it's different.
It can be two sentences with a comma or dash in between—anacolutha, if you prefer.
12:02
Nah, I don't think I'd ever omit the on there.
It depends. [It depends on] whether you like her or not.
@Cerberus Not really: It depends, whether you want to participate or not. doesn't work for me. Don't you mean It depends, do you want to participate or not?
Depend can be used without on only if there is nothing it depends on in the sentence. So it depends works as a full sentence. Then whether can be an afterthought, a new sentence. That way, it sort of works informally.
I might be persuaded that it doesn't look/sound so nice written without the on.
12:04
@terdon It works only when you analyse whether... as a sentence fragment.
@tchrist Surely you will agree that it's very informal.
@Cerberus I’m getting there. I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet.
@terdon I would correct it in any written text, except if the text is meant to sound colloquial.
@tchrist Good, good.
Surprised to find examples from the late nineteenth century.
@Cerberus Yes but it means something completely different. It no longer depends. I mean I would parse It depends. Whether you like her or not. as Whether you like her or not makes no difference. It still depends
At any rate, I stick with my analysis of it depends whether as a sentence fragment or anacoluthon.
@terdon I know what you mean, but that's why I reconstructed it thus:
4 mins ago, by Cerberus
It depends. [It depends on] whether you like her or not.
First the speaker says It depends.
Then he wants to add an afterthought.
12:08
> It all depends whether the chairman is 18 years old or 80; is a multi-millionaire or an undischarged bankrupt; or even a woman. It all depends whether the factory extension cost £2000 or £1 million; was designed by the works draughtsman or a ...
But this afterthought would start with it depends on, which is more or less a repetition of the previous sentence.
So he leaves out that bit.
Ah. Speaker. Yes, I would understand that if spoken. but not if read.
And only adds the new information.
@terdon It is informal!
> “It depends whether Lucy thinks that helping is nice or not”
@tchrist Informal; I would correct that.
Maybe even illiterate.
In that context.
Or perhaps just sloppy.
12:12
There are a lot of examples of people not using it.
It does sound a bit off, though.
You know what I'm going to say...
That you forgot a word.
See?
Same thing.
> It depends whether you value fluency over understanding, or vice versa, which lesson can be seen as more successful.
Ugh.
12:14
Funny sentence.
You have to agree that is infelicitous at best.
Especially the dangling which.
Yes yes yes.
Flat out horrid, more like.
Had she just written on which...
Key Ideas in Teaching Mathematics: Research-based guidance for ages 9-19
By Anne Watson, Keith Jones, Dave Pratt
Well, it looks like Mr Pratt writes like one.
12:15
@tchrist This seems as if it was typed in 3:30 a.m. with red eyes.
I'm also not too happy with his use of vice versa.
@Cerberus Of course not. It's completely redundant.
For starters.
@TIPS *were
@terdon Yes, and possibly wrong.
Subjunctive (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
12:16
Now I must run.
Tabee!
RUN!
A regência verbal é a relação sintática de dependência que se estabelece entre o verbo — termo regente — e o seu complemento — termo regido. A regência determina se uma preposição é necessária para ligar o verbo a seu complemento. Os termos, quando exigem a presença de outro chamam-se regentes ou subordinantes; os que completam a significação dos anteriores chamam-se regidos ou subordinados. Quando o termo regente é um nome (substantivo, adjetivo ou advérbio), ocorre a regência nominal. Quando o termo regente é um verbo, ocorre a regência verbal. Na regência verbal, o termo regido pode ser ou não...
What the hell is that called in English?
For example, it can be whether a verb takes a preposition and if so which one.
"Verbal regency" won't work, and though I reach for something related to "governing", that also leads nowhere.
So the fact that it's depender de is accounted for by that verb's regency. In English it’s depend on not of.
> A regência verbal é a relação sintática de dependência que se estabelece entre o verbo — termo regente — e o seu complemento — termo regido.
(literally) Verbal regency is the syntactic relation of dependence which is established between the verb — called the ruler — and its complement — called the ruled.
We must have a word in English for that.
I have no idea. On a different subject though, @tchrist, how similar is Asturiano to Spanish? There was an add for what I'm pretty sure was a series in Asturiano on TV the other day and it took me ages to decide whether or not it was Spanish. Was I just missing words and it was Spanish or is Asturiano very, very close to Castellano?
It's pretty close, but different.
It's closer than Portuguese, and Portuguese is very close.
So maybe they were speaking Spanish with a few dialect words thrown in. It was very weird, I'd understand one sentence perfectly and the next would be slightly off. This was only a few seconds to a minute so I didn't have time to really figure it out.
12:29
Asturian is where the Galician dialect continuum bleeds into the Castilian one.
@terdon Maybe. Or maybe not. That can happen.
Makes sense. I was vacillating between Portuguese and Castillian at some point.
The quick easy way to tell is it’s Asturian is to listen for the sg/pl endings on nouns and adjectives.
-u is masculine singular, -es is feminine plural.
La vaca, les vaques
Hm, maybe las vaques, las pipes
But it's -es.
Most Asturians are diglossic, and they will code switch with Castilian.
Which further complicates things, of course.
> Padre nuestro,
que estás en los cielos,
santificado sea tu Nombre;
venga a nosotros tu Reino;
hágase tu Voluntad en la tierra como en el cielo.
danos hoy Nuestro pan de cada día;
y perdona nuestras ofensas,
así como nosotros perdonamos a quienes nos ofenden;
no nos dejes caer en la tentación,
y líbranos del mal.
You can see why the three-way comparison with Asturian was against Galician, although it would have been nice to see Castilian listed alongside it.
It's so strange how I can sort parse all of these if I just squint my eyes the right way, so to speak. I was reading the WP page on Asturiano in Asturiano and my brain just interpreted it and parsed it as Catalan.
12:38
Yep.
Thing is, it's closer to Castilian than to Catalan.
Seems to swing between those two and Italian:
> [...] un idioma romance, luenga propia d'Aragón, parlato por bellas 55.000 personas[1] sobretot [...]
Castellano, Catalan, Italiano, Castellano, Catalan, aaaaaaaa
For Asturian, read Leonese.
@tchrist Ooh, nice!
I wish I could pause that.
12:41
That's the best one.
Is the Franco-Pro... Provençal?
I'm not sure, Provençal is usually classed as a type of Occitan.
Yeah. And it should be more to the south anyway.
So in the non-moving image, green represents Astur-Leonés, and you can see how it fades into the blue Galician group to the west and the yellow Castilian group to the east.
@tchrist It's not exactly valency though it's in the same ballpark. Subcategorization includes it (whether you use of or on or in). Subcategorization?
12:44
Magenta is the Occitan group, with Catalan fading into it.
Which one?
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@Mitch See? Weird that it's hard.
@stack Usually the first.
ok thx
@tchrist which is funny because i bet it's all you spend time on in EFL 2nd year class, keeping the prepositions apart.
@tchrist I know that map is for Spain, but frankly non one speaks Provencal, not since the revolution, except in high school classes comparable to a high school class in Anglo-Saxon.
12:47
@Mitch It is so sad.
@terdon yes franco-provencal
There are Occitan speakers, but few.
I don't know which of the purples is the Provençal flavor.
I can't imagine there are any first language Occitan speakers.
in France
@Mitch Ah, which is not the same as Provençal?
more native born Catalan speakers, or quite a few more Basque speakers. Provencal is almost entirely literary
12:49
The Aranese are native Occitan speakers.
Aran (Occitan: [aˈɾan]; Catalan: [əˈɾan]; Spanish: [aˈɾan]) (previously officially called Val d'Aran) is an administrative entity in Catalonia, Spain, consisting of the Aran valley, 620.47 square kilometres (239.56 sq mi) in area, in the Pyrenees mountains, in the northwestern part of the province of Lleida. Most of the valley constitutes one of only two areas of Spain, and the only part of Catalonia, located on the northern side of the Pyrenees. Hence, this valley holds the only Catalonian rivers to flow into the Atlantic Ocean; for the same reason, the region is characterized by an Atlantic climate...
it colors the main-line French a lot, but is not it's own thing any more
I was going to do a video in French, but I'm embarrassed about my accent and lack of fluency.
> Aranese is the standardized form of the Gascon variety of the Occitan language. Aranese has been regularly taught at school since 1984. Like several other minority languages in Europe that recently faced decline, Aranese is experiencing a renaissance.
But there are only around 5,000 of them.
Maybe I could pretend it was Occitan.
> Aranese (Occitan: Aranés) is a standardized form of the Pyrenean Gascon variety of the Occitan language spoken in the Val d'Aran, in northwestern Catalonia close to the Spanish border with France, where it is one of the three official languages beside Catalan and Spanish. In 2010, it was named the third official language of the whole of Catalonia by Parliament of Catalonia.
12:51
@terdon no. it's called 'transitional'. But really it's a convenient label for something more complex. Anyway, nowadays, it is just a slight accent on standard French, like people in Wisconsin saying 'come with' with no object. They sound totally normal until they let out the one zinger.
I'm certainly afraid to speak French at length due to my accent, which is better than most Americans’.
@Mitch I blame the French.
@Mitch We use "come with" like that in Maine.
@Mitch Well yes, but that's French spoken with a southern accent and the odd Provençal word thrown in. I'm quite familiar with that, I used to live in Marseille. I thought that Provençal used to be a bona fide language at some point though.
"I'm headed to the bar if you want to come with."
@KitZ.Fox Totally normal.
Provençal /prɒvɒnˈsæl/ (Occitan: Provençau or Prouvençau [pʀuveⁿˈsaw]) is a variety of Occitan spoken by a minority of people in southern France, mostly in Provence. In the English-speaking world, the term "Provençal" has historically also been used to refer to all of Occitan, but is now mainly understood to refer to the variety spoken in Provence. "Provençal" (with "Limousin") is also the customary name given to the older version of the langue d'oc used by the troubadours of medieval literature, while Old French or the langue d'oïl was limited to the northern areas of France. In 2007, the ISO...
> In 2007, the ISO 639-3 code for Provençal, [prv], was retired and merged into [oci] Occitan.
The thing about Portuguese and Catalan is that they use mainly Occitan orthographic conventions, whereas Galician and Asturian use Castilian orthographic conventions.
12:55
@KitZ.Fox French Canadian I think gets most of its accent from ... Poitou Charentes/Loire mouth area?
@Mitch Uh...
I don't know. I could tell you if I heard that accent.
@tchrist Thanks, Napoleon.
I'm pretty familiar with French Canadian.
Places longest settled have the most languages, just as those most recently settled have the fewest.
That's why there are more East Coast accents than West Coast ones.
That's why you have all those shadings in the north of Iberia and so few in the south.
The "Inland North" dialect extends along the Great Lakes up to Maine. Something like that.
People from Manhattan talk weird; people from Rochester do not.
@terdon Oh yeah certainly. What's spoken in the south nowadays is exactly what you say, standard French with a slight accent (if any) and a couple of provencal words. But up until the Fr revolution, they spoke dialects of Provencal which is mutually nonintelligible with French, more like halfway between Genoese and Catalan. Northern French is really messed up/lots of German influence.
@KitZ.Fox Oh. I thought that was totally midwestern. But Maine too?
12:59
@Mitch Right, that's what I had understood as well.
Those colors are misleading.
@KitZ.Fox I'm just relaying book knowledge and snippets of things I've heard of French Canadian. I don't actually know anything.
@Mitch Apparently.
I mean, sure, Flemish and Walloon are far part, being the one Germanic and the other Romance, but Walloon is just French, the langue d’oïl.
@Mitch Oh, you didn't grow up in this neighborhood, did you?
13:01
And Breton doesn't fade into the langues d’oïl at all.
tchrist and I have a lot of similar features of dialect.
Which is weird to me, but I guess that's "Inland North"?
Apparently.
Snails and Lawler have dialects as close to mine as any can probably get.
@tchrist Parisien? WTF is that?
@KitZ.Fox haha no, I'm a foreigner around these parts.
@terdon See, this is a political map, really.
13:03
Yeah.
It’s misleading, as are all French political takes on language.
Surprised it doesn't say Parigosién, really.
and is a record of a bunch of history and not necessarily what is the case today.
@tchrist 's/French//'
What is Parigosien?
13:05
But in France, everybody speaks French, even at home, whatever that map says (they might speak something else at home too).
on the edges
like Basque or Bretagne
@Mitch I think France wants to count only non-Romance tongues as "other languages", that everything else is just a regional dialect of what the nationalists now call French.
> At the time of the French revolution in 1789 it is estimated that only half of the population of France could speak any French, and as late as 1871 only a quarter spoke French as their native language.
Where are the Normen now?
I had always thought the revolution (and institution of 'central tendencies') was the demarcation line but maybe it all came later
> Occitan language (also Lenga d'òc, Langue d'oc):
Vivaroalpenc
Auvergnat
Gascon including Béarnese (Béarnais) and Landese (Landais)
Languedocien
Limousin
Nissart (Niçois or Niçart)
Provençal
Italy was entirely ... balkanized, until after their reunion
Mountains.
13:17
linguistic maps are so misleading, they draw boundaries as guesses, are an overlay of many centuries of differences and fossilized names. And usually the main differences are city vs country.
but i guess there's an appeal to simplification of exposition, they can't give the real story in one map so they make executive decision and everything is thresholded. But the boundaries are usually crap.
(except for @tchrist's mountains)
I blame the Cantabrian Mountains for keeping the Moor at bay.
The Pyrenees helped a lot too, of course.
It's beautiful from up here.
It is.
I really like that picture.
I think I'd like it better without the red box.
:D
Freehand
13:27
impressed
’Tweren’t me, gubna.
My freelance contract runs out this month so I'm going back to being poor.
Someday, I will visit Europe.
I would like to see the Garden of the Gods and that teahouse you showed me though. So much to see over on this side.
There is.
> Loving Neil Patrick Harris, but finding gay sex “gross” is not acceptance.
OK, I gotta disagree with this.
I find anal sex "gross", does that make me some kind of bigot?
Did I write that?
13:31
And furries. That grosses me out.
Of course it does.
@tchrist No, I'm reading an article about how I, as a straight person, continue to contribute to the culture that engenders violence against the LGBTQ* community.
@KitZ.Fox I've known gay men who feel the same way.
I mean, granted, I don't find "gay" sex gross. I don't care who is doing it. I just find anal to be squicky. It doesn't make me hate people. I don't care if you're into it.
In the general sense of you.
I'm just annoyed by the statement.
My point of view is "Do what ye will an' ye harm none." I don't have to be into all the things you choose because it's none of my damn business.
Worry about what other people are doing is exhausting work.
13:34
grumbles, shakes fist
@tchrist Yeah, I'm surprised how much of our time is consumed with doing that.
My brother went to the Grand Canyon with his family. I'm envious of that.
Which Rim?
I have a problem with planes, so we haven't gotten around to planning that sort of thing.
@tchrist I don't know.
The South Rim sees twentyfold the visitors that the North Rim sees.
13:37
For good reason or no?
roads?
@Mitch That.
i'd like to travel in the canyon.
The North Rim was designed to be remote and hard to get at, to purposefully keep visitation low and the journey an odyssey.
But it is the more beautiful side. All the pictures you ever seen, pretty much, are taken from there.
It is also much less hot.
I've been snowed on there in August.
Well, sleeted.
^^^^ Go there.
It seems like a total pain to get there no matter what, unless you visit from Las Vegas.
13:41
Now I've got "Going to Zion" in my head.
how did people survive there before modern conveniences?
@Mitch Take 89A.
Where do you grw the donut trees
oh. google maps sucks
(except when it's a life saver)
@KitZ.Fox what is that from?
13:56
@Mitch I can't find it publicly available.
user208178
Morning.
user208178
or evening
Hello.
@Mitch They had visions in the desert.
user208178
@KitZ.Fox with planes? Why?
user208178
14:09
@Mitch I think they are not bad.
@VitaminC I'm not sure. I developed a phobia around 2003, and it's just gotten worse. I think these days it's an exacerbation of my fear that my children will be dying and I will have to watch helplessly.
Suffice it to say that I need to be drugged up to get on a plane, which means I'm not helpful to anyone.
user208178
oh it is that bad.
Yes. Almost paralytic.
user208178
Are you scared that they might blow up? Hijacked? or...? I'm curious.
Just plane crash.
user208178
14:14
I see
Falling out of the sky for whatever reason. I'm not worried about hijacking as much as mechanical failure.
OK, but i have to think something else now.
user208178
Oh sure.
@VitaminC I'm being contrary. I think they are the best nowadays, but there is always room for improvement. @tchrist's map showed things with importance re the Grand Canyon, but google maps doesn't try for that.
14:47
Okay, let's think about ... hmm, let's think about Life Of Brian.
goes and Googles ex-boyfriend
Wow, he's doing great!
That's awesome.
Lif o' Brain! New from Kursplerden Co. "We makes a Brain!" dur doopy doop
Which one is correct?
- Usually you are disagree with supper-reputation-users thoughts
- Usually you are disagree with users' thoughts who have supper-reputations
What are supper-reputations? People who are known for good evening meals?
Usually you disagree with high-rep users.
15:01
@KitZ.Fox emm sort of .. I meant was people who have more than 100k rep
@KitZ.Fox ah ok
or maybe: Usually you disagree with the thinking of high-rep users.
@stack I think you're confusing "super" and "supper".
@KitZ.Fox Oh .. you are right
@KitZ.Fox just why you didn't use "are"? I think it should be like this: "Usually you are disagree ..."
No, disagree is a verb and it doesn't need a helper.
ok I see
If you wanted to use are, you would need a state: Usually you are in disagreement with high-rep users.
15:05
yeah got it :-) thx
kk
My work buddy isn't back yet, so it looks like I have to go to the employee shindig all by myself.
@KitZ.Fox Uh ... oh dear. I'll try to remember not to suggest THAT again.
@MετάEd Nah, this was my first college boyfriend. He was kind of harsh with the breakup, but from where I'm standing now, it wasn't that bad. We weren't together long.
He was the precursor to the abusive ex-, but he had no way to know what was going to happen to me.
Still ... from now on, it's the Secret Policeman's Ball all the way.
Except when it's the Secret Policeman's Other Ball.
hahaha
OK, I have to go eat and make nice.
Laters!
15:14
Fun.
15:44
So much less fun with no buddy.
The employee singing group is singing for entertainment while we eat.
I had to leave. I started get really edgy.
15:56
At some point, there is always someone passing gas. Human population density has reached point where Earth is an unceasing fart.
That. Is. Remarkable.
@MετάEd I made a new video! I did! 'Cause you were talking about it yesterday!
@KitZ.Fox That didn't take long. Are they evil?
@MετάEd No, it was just too much stimulation.
Not the kind of music I'm into.
But also there were hundreds of people there.
And I was in a corner with my back to the section.
That's a lot of people all having lunch and talking over music.
shudders
@MετάEd Yes.
I have to go back out in a little while.
16:36
@MattE.Эллен stops eating lunch
takes up smoking
people try to put me out
trying not to dig what we all say
Who?
Exactly
user208178
We went from maps to fear of flying to Life of Brian to farts pretty quickly.
17:01
which devolves directly to discussions of the hermeneutics of the post-structuralist categorical imperative
or this:
you have to look really closely around 5 seconds. Believe me it's worth it. Science for the win!
Oh man, there's a whole series of those. Talk about rabbit holes
user208178
@Mitch I thought I had better things to do than watch a whale fart, but now since I already watched the video I'm trying to shake that sound of whale fart out of my mind.
user208178
Farts get very awkward in an enclosed car. Esp. when no one says anything.
user208178
AC works its magic.
19:35
Can you hate Hitler's guts?
I'm asking because I have a feeling that you can hate anyone, but you have to know someone personally to be able to hate their guts.
At least what he has done should affect you personally.
And it makes less sense to hate someone who is dead.
You don't need to know him personally.
I see.
It sort of connotes a sense of resentment, right?
@Cerberus Why? Can't you hate dead people?
19:51
Because it makes less sense to hate someone who doesn't exist?
user208178
@MετάEd Nice tie.
user208178
hello @Cerberus. How is Dutchland?
@Cerberus This is not philosophy. If I want to say I hate X I don't have to check if he's alive first.
And if he's not, I can still be right.
Thanks.
o/
@VitaminC Flat. How are your lands?
user208178
My lands are great.
19:57
@Færd Well, if it turns out that he is dead, it makes sense for your emotion to dull at least.
Hating someones guts is the opposite of dull.
20:46
@Cerberus There's that one guy, 1312AD, late September was it? No, late October because the apple harvest was almost done, and that ... that guy, aw man, I just can't stand him. Or his friend next to him. But mainly that guy.
You must be highly sensitive.
 
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22:44
@VitaminC Thanks.
Why so formal?
nvm, I forgot about Father's Day :-/
That's it!
@Mitch Since it delights you, I suggest you do a longitudinal study of me. I am sure you will be frequently delighted.
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