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12:04 AM
I wonder if my professor would get the irony if my low grade paper had such high level verbage?:) — user4809 Feb 9 '11 at 20:03
People learn so much garbiage from the news.
 
 
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2:16 AM
@Mitch Bingo. It's less about conforming than about believing technology is magic.
 
 
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9:35 AM
@Robusto any sufficiently developed magic is indistinguishable from technology.
 
 
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11:14 AM
@RegDwigнt In Soviet Union, magic develops you.
 
12:05 PM
@Robusto Yes. I was making it sound like it was about conformity but you're right, it is mostly magical thinking. There's still a component of appeal to authority or masses, but mostly it is invoking the mantra that someone else said and seemed to have worked. I think everything in life is like that.
Even... clears throat ... Nutella
 
12:27 PM
Oh em gee, Nutella is in our internets invoking mantras!
 
So, why do they miss you, mister?
 
12:46 PM
Morning!
 
@Gigili That was said sarcastically.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Congratulations! You have correctly identified the current period of the day.
 
@Robusto Yes! SATs, here I come!
 
To win the big prize, see if you can identify the correct canonical hour.
 
It's just coming up to 1pm. Except it's 2pm.
 
Well, you Brits are wrong again. It's a minute or two shy of 9:00 a.m.
 
12:57 PM
It's three to three, you troglodytes.
 
And which part of "canonical hour" didn't you understand?
Here we are coming up on terce.
 
I don't understand the part about canons.
Dude will not stand covered advertising.
 
I forget, is all of Deutschland in a single time zone?
 
Why would you write terce in bold? Is there a point I am missing?
 
Yes. There are 12pt you are missing.
 
1:00 PM
I dreamed I was talking in christianity.se chat and I got banned. Why I was talking in xianity.se chat I will never know.
 
@Robusto no, Bavaria is on a different planet.
 
I guess I didn't really expect a straight answer . . .
The canonical hours mark the divisions of the day in terms of periods of fixed prayer at regular intervals. A Book of Hours normally contains a version of, or selection from, such prayers. The practice of daily prayers grew from the Jewish practice of reciting prayers at set times of the day: for example, in the Book of Acts, Peter and John visit the temple for the afternoon prayers (Acts 3:1). Psalm 119:164 states: "Seven times a day I praise you for your righteous laws" which is among the scriptural quotes in the attestation of Saint Symeon of Thessaloniki that commences "The times of prayer...
 
Because Christian has invited you to the room?
Because I am awesome like that?
 
TBD.
 
All the rest of Germany is in the same single time zone with all of France and half of Poland.
 
1:03 PM
It's a small world you live in.
 
I lived in a country with the most timezones evar. I have total experience.
 
Well, I am here to announce that today is the day, and I am the silver bird you've been waiting for.
 
@Robusto what a boring concept, an entire book full of hours.
I prefer
A random number book is a book whose main content is a large number of random numbers or random digits. Such books were used in early cryptography and experimental design, and were published by the Rand Corporation and others. The Rand corporation book A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates was first published in 1955 and was reissued in 2001. Random number books have been rendered obsolete for most purposes by the ready availability of random number generators running on electronic computers. However they still have niche uses, particularly in the performance of experimental music...
 
@Robusto Well, there you are. We're past sext and nowhere near none.
 
Experimental music, you say. As in, using the book for hammering on the wall?
 
1:07 PM
@AndrewLeach No, there you are. I am here.
QED
 
I can't help it if you're in the wrong place.
 
Why do you need a book of random numbers? I can give you one.
4
dont use it too often or it will wear out its randomness
 
@Mitch I can do better than that. Put this in your browser:
function getRandomNumber() {
  return 4;
}
 
I suppose, if you want to get all professional about it.
 
1:29 PM
@Mitch Well, you won't always be around to give us a random number.
 
@Robusto Ah, but was it chosen by a fair die roll?
 
@terdon It was pretty random. How random did you want?
function getRandomAnimal() {
  return 'giraffe';
}
 
come on, everyone knows the platypus is the most random animal.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Even Churchill!
 
Churchill is part of everyone
 
1:35 PM
Yes, he's that part of us that makes us go and order a live Platypus specimen in the middle of the second world war.
 
Try using but where you feel however might be getting too much play. It is not informal at all, and shows up in, oh, every published paper you've ever read. Maybe in every published paper anybody has ever read. — Robusto 1 min ago
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Just by saying that you have rendered it unrandom and deterministic.
function getRandomCanadian() {
  return 'Mr.ShinyandNew安宇';
}
 
function getRandomSomething() {
  noop;
}
 
noop is not a function call there. It does nothing.
 
You don't say.
 
Does nothing, returns nothing.
 
1:38 PM
You do not say.
 
Stop straining your jokes.
 
Say you do not.
 
Say you no dot.
 
Say you, say me, say it for always, that's the way it should be.
WTF is this grammar mr Richie.
No wonder your daughter turned out a Paris Hilton friend.
 
According to Bruce Hornsby, "that's just the way it is."
 
1:42 PM
The post it takes so long
So I got to sing this song.
I'm Hornsby, Hornsby, Hornsby, Hornsby,
So Hornsby, Hornsby, Hornsby, Hornsby tonight.
 
@Robusto That's why it still works. Everyone expects that you won't pick platypus because it's so obvious.
 
function getRandomPlatypus() {
  return 'Mr.ShinyandNew安宇';
}
 
++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++‌​.------.--------.>>+.>++.
 
@RegDwigнt You sound like Hex.
 
@RegDwigнt Sometimes a thing can be too random.
 
1:52 PM
Lolmao what kind of proggers are you.
It's neither hex, nor random, you losers.
Brainfuck is an esoteric programming language noted for its extreme minimalism. The language consists of only eight simple commands and an instruction pointer. It is designed to challenge and amuse programmers, and was not made to be suitable for practical use. It was created in 1993 by Urban Müller. == Language design == Urban Müller created brainfuck in 1993 with the intention of designing a language which could be implemented with the smallest possible compiler, inspired by the 1024-byte compiler for the FALSE programming language. Several brainfuck compilers have been made smaller than 200...
Next up I post something in Piet and you ask me if it's Malevich.
 
2:04 PM
@RegDwigнt Heh, I should paste some Whitespace then :) And I ain't no programmer!
 
I didn't come here to make Smalltalk.
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crl
What's the opposite of flex?
 
@crl Steve Jobs.
 
crl
In the context of a muscle, to flex its knees, to extend their knees (< btw its or their?)
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Someone already beat you to that.
 
crl
Ok
I wanted to say "it's a reflex like when someone hit your kneecap, you'll automatically relax your leg"
 
Knee jerk.
Reflex, don't do it.
 
crl
Oh
 
@RegDwigнt Wait... the 'FALSE' language needed that many bytes for its compiler?
 
crl
The patellar reflex or knee-jerk is a deep tendon reflex and is a myotatic reflex. == Mechanism == Striking the patellar ligament with a reflex hammer just below the patella stretches the muscle spindle in the quadriceps muscle. This produces a signal which travels back to the spinal cord and synapses (without interneurons) at the level of L4 in the spinal cord, completely independent of higher centres. From there, an alpha-motor neuron conducts an efferent impulse back to the quadriceps femoris muscle, triggering contraction. This contraction, coordinated with the relaxation of the antagonistic...
 
2:21 PM
@crl a 'flex' is not a reflex
 
crl
Well I know it's two different words
 
@crl usually people are relaxed before someone hits their kneecap. Unless you're in a back room at a casino being threatened with a baseball bat. Then I guess it's not as relaxing.
@crl but when someone hits your kneecap, your leg muscles don't relax. at least one of them tenses up.
 
@Mitch I have no idea. I only program in Turban Rascal.
 
I wrote a compiler for a language in which you could write every algorithm, except a compiler for itself.
You know, for security reasons.
Motion, the process of movement, is described using specific anatomical terms. Motion includes movement of organs, joints, limbs, and specific sections of the body. The terminology used, describes this motion according to its direction relative to the anatomical position of the joints. Anatomists use a unified set of terms to describe most of the movements, although other, more specialized terms are necessary for describing the uniqueness of the movements such as those of the hands, feet, and eyes. In general, motion is classified according to the anatomical plane it occurs in. Flexion and extension...
Flexing means making the angle at a joint less (extending means make the angle bigger). The knee reflex makes the angle at the knee bigger so is an extension.
 
@Mitch so what did you do when the NSA showed up at your door and demanded that you hand over the nonexistent compiler and everything else you have to hide?
 
2:31 PM
I said nothing.
 
And there was no one left to speak for you.
 
They bought it. I asked them in for tea, and we discussed whether Cheryl was going to be surprised when no one got her anything for her birthday.
 
crl
@Mitch ok
 
It's so sexist that the one hiding her birthdate is a chick, and the ones having to guess are blokes.
Why not let women try themselves at logic, for a change?
That'd be true emancipation.
 
crl
LOLCODE is an esoteric programming language inspired by lolspeak, the language expressed in examples of the lolcat Internet meme. The language was created in 2007 by Adam Lindsay, researcher at the Computing Department of Lancaster University. The language is not clearly defined in terms of operator priorities and correct syntax, but several functioning interpreters and compilers already exist. One interpretation of the language has been proven Turing-complete. == Language structure and examples == LOLCODE's keywords are drawn from the heavily compressed (shortened) patois of the lolcat Internet...
my favorite language
 
2:36 PM
 
Nice anapaest.
 
How do you signify translated quoting?
i.e. some person says something in English that includes a quote that was said in another language and translated.
 
@Robusto that's lovely.
 
bows
 
@Mateon1 translated by whom?
 
2:40 PM
@RegDwigнt Translated by the speaker at the moment of writing (in a chat message)
 
If it was already translated in the original quote, you just quote it like any normal quote and be done.
It is none of your business how he came up with the words he used. You are quoting the words, not the process behind them.
 
Well, I mean by this question the point of view of the speaker
 
Hm.
 
E.g. I see something happenning, somebody said something, and then I repeat it in English.
 
@Robusto I thought it was a love sonnet. a really long one.
 
2:42 PM
@Mateon1 Mkay, then it's not a quote, it's just a translation.
You just say, "he said blah".
 
@Mitch A sonnet can neither be long nor short and still be a sonnet.
 
crl
How do you signify a quote inside a quote?
you escape the quote character? :) \"
 
By using quotation marks of a different kind.
What you mean, escape?
 
@Robusto So it's a bad sonnet then?
 
How do you escape a character?
 
2:43 PM
It doesn't feel right...
"Today while walking to school [...] I saw a girl [...] She was playing with a doll that she called" And now what?
 
@Mitch You're a bad sonnet.
 
There's no escaping in English
 
crl
@RegDwigнt just kidding, like \" (in programming)
 
@Robusto blushes
 
@Mateon1 and now you say the name of the doll.
 
2:44 PM
Wait... angers!
 
I am not seeing a problem.
 
It's not a name, that's the problem...
 
Wait.. back to blushing
@Mateon1 You need to give a more specific example. Like what you're actually trying to do right now.
No names!
 
She was playing with a doll that she called "my father is a lawyer" in Turkish.
I am really not seeing any problem.
It's not like we have that many punctuation marks to choose from.
 
Or dispense with any mention each time about language, as long as the context shows that people are speaking another language than English.
Are people switching back and forth from one language to the next?
 
2:46 PM
Yes, mid-sentence, all the time.
If they can't think of the proper word in the language they're speaking, they use the word from another language.
 
I'm having trouble writing an example...
 
@Mateon1 well, if you don't have a specific example, then there's nothing to worry about because you can't screw up.
This is a purely theoretical discussion then.
 
@Mateon1 Is this what you want: "She was playing with a doll that she called Aslan ('lion' in English)."
 
I do have an example that I can't share, and cannot think of an equivalent one
 
And once you do have a specific sentence, it's trivially easy to look at it and decide what's best.
@Mateon1 Ah.
I do think you brought your point across quite clearly with the sentence you posted above.
 
2:49 PM
It's not a name, it's a general thing that is a diminution
 
Yes, so?
4 mins ago, by RegDwigнt
She was playing with a doll that she called "my father is a lawyer" in Turkish.
That works for absolutely anything she might have said.
 
@Robusto so... clears throat ... how mad was she when you didn't get her anything?
 
Unless I leave the quote untranslated it doesn't work well. Alright...
 
You can leave the quote untranslated, or translate it, or both.
 
"she called it [..] which roughly means ..."
That might work
 
2:51 PM
@Mitch I was speaking theoretically.
 
@Mateon1 Yes. That probably works best (but only if it is important what the meaning is.)
 
She was playing with a doll that she called "Пошлавонька".
She was playing with a doll that she called "Poshlavonyka".
She was playing with a doll that she called "Get losty", in Russian.
She was playing with a doll that she called "Poshlavonyka", which is a Russian neologism diminutive for "get lost".
You are overthinking it. Just say what you want to say, and move on.
 
It's important in a way, that is odd in the original language, but not when translated to English
 
That cannot be brought across by mere punctuation. That you will have to clearly state in words.
As I said earlier, we only have so many punctuation marks, and our chances of finding one that means "a quote that's a translation on the fly, but not a quite accurate one, especially not on a Tuesday" are very, very slim.
You will have to use words.
 
@RegDwigнt You have to state your punctuation in words, period.
 
2:55 PM
@Robusto !
 
???
 
(@_@)
 
:
 
...
 
I just called you a name. ^
 
2:56 PM
"..."!
@Robusto you should have called me a cab instead, you ruthless rascal. What am I supposed to do with a name?
 
crl
Obama declared "Shakespeare said 'Einstein proved that time is relative'"
 
Whatever you do with other stuff in that thing you call a life.
 
I sell it off eBay then buy it back off Craigslist.
But who wants your dirty used name.
 
@crl We have very handy quotation marks in Polish: « »
 
@Mateon1 and Swiss, and Russian, and French.
 
2:58 PM
Only used rarely in nested situations
 
@crl I don't think that's the case.
 
crl
@Mateon1 yes great, all I have on my keyboard are ', ", `
 
She was playing with a doll that she called "proszę pani krowka", which is Polish for "take these sweets called 'little cow'".
 
Those quotation marks are the opposite of handy. They are footy.
 
Resistence is footile.
 
3:01 PM
@RegDwigнt Punctuation correction needed: "Proszę, pani krówka". The way you said it is ambiguous in way too many ways
 
@Mateon1 exactly.
That is what you then go on to explain.
 
Also, missing information in the translation, which is part of the problem I am having
 
You will have to explain that it doesn't really mean "take", either, but rather that she's clearly addressing a female interlocutor.
@Mateon1 which is why I chose this exact example.
She said nothing about sweets, either. You're the one supplying the explanation that she must have meant the sweets by that name.
 
Also, my example stopped being relevant to my conversation half an hour ago, but still...
 
Tee hee. That's usually the case.
Next time just say "She was playing with a doll that she called 'take, woman, little cow'" and leave it to the reader to figure out what the hell is going on.
 
3:08 PM
Not necessarily "take", It's more like "I'm giving you, woman, little cow". Alternatively, a different interpretation: "Here, woman, your little cow" (which might be more accurate in the original interpretation as well)
 
Yeah.
I know.
That woman was actually giving my mom the sweets.
 
@RegDwigнt Nope, it was not spelled differently 2 weeks ago.
And hello.
Yes, we have survived King's Day, inside.
 
@Cerberus I have a nice new toy for you before I run off.
How's that for a geography quiz.
 
Haha.
That is a bit difficult.
I see an American flag in the first one, I think?
 
These are the easiest ones, actually.
 
3:17 PM
@Cerberus It might be a red herring.
 
Second one, a could-be-anywhere jumble of skyscrapers.
 
This one's harder.
Or this one.
 
@Robusto It might!
 
This one won:
 
@RegDwigнt I guess New York, Sydney, Paris.
 
3:19 PM
Ah, hier fehlt ein beruhmtes Bauwerk.
 
@AndrewLeach of course.
 
Those images are tiny.
I am not good at this kind of game...
 
@Cerberus that's why I posted a link, you silly. So you could use the slider yourself.
5 mins ago, by RegDwigнt
http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/photoshop-kunst-machu-picchu-und-niagarafael‌​le-retuschiert-a-1030921.html
 
Try that one.
 
@Robusto that's the Grand Canyon.
 
3:21 PM
@RegDwigнt Looks like the London Assembly building in the foreground ("The Glass Testicle")
 
@RegDwigнt Wrong.
 
@Robusto but that's a different game entirely.
You know, they have that one somewhere on the internet as well.
 
Hint: There is a spaceman in the middle that you can't quite see.
 
Where every week someone posts an image of his backyard or from their window, and then the people try to find out where it was taken.
@Robusto oh yeah, Kubrick's fake moon landing.
 
No.
I think HotWire would be a bad name for a used-car dealership.
 
3:24 PM
I must be off, folks.
Bies.
 
@Robusto Meteor Crater (I cheated).
 
@AndrewLeach Right. But how did you cheat?
 
Google Image Search.
 
ah
Cheater.
 
It's not knowing the answer, it's knowing where to find the answer.
 
3:26 PM
I wonder how many hex digits you have to use of a compressed image to determine to guarantee a unique image.
Probably not that many.
 
@Robusto The red eye on Jupiter?
The American moon landing, but without the actual moon?
 
Scroll up.
Andrew cheated and solved it.
 
@RegDwigнt Ahh I only looked at the title.
@crl I think it works, but...what is it supposed to do?
 
4:30 PM
huh. people really liked my cecily strong joke answer.
greatest hit of Pompidou answers.
I even got some kind of prize or something
in the little top bar of the website
whoa! I can just edit posts without anyone approving them!
I guess it was a really good answer
this is wonderful! now I can add punctuation and formatting about which others were sloppy without waiting three weeks!
does anyone know if there's a word for when you put a diacritic the "wrong" way on a letter, possibly creatively or stylistically?
I see print on the sides of buildings and stuff here that put the umlaut inside the U and vertically rather than horizontally
 
 
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crl
5:56 PM
@Cerberus nothing very fancy, 1) make a better imgur front page :D 2) illustrate a use of knockout.js a library for formatting content 3) tried to make an infinite scroll too
 
@GeorgePompidou I thought that meant you made a joke answer. about Cecily strong.
@GeorgePompidou you got a bronze for getting 10 upvotes, silver for 25, and you're rising so fast you might get a gold for passing 100. Chapeau!
 
@GeorgePompidou The best (most upvoted) answers are short, easy to understand, and spot on (not necessarily right, but yours is). Oh and in a popularly titled question.
 
crl
Let's pretend it says "Trick Me", don't zoom!
 
@GeorgePompidou yes. wrongly punctuated! (or cute)
@crl uh oh...I zoomed
 
crl
6:01 PM
Ohh try to forget then
 
here is my situation :
my team lead knows that i'm getting a low salary, but he still asking for a treat for my salary increment.
how should i reply to him starting like this>>> I wonder that ...
help ?
 
crl
"Dear team tin"
 
@GeorgePompidou Dysdiacrisis?
@JudeNiroshan Hi!
What is a "treat"?
 
no, i want to start my reply like this
'Í wonder that you still asking for a treat even though you know that i'm getting paid a lower salary'
but i think this is not a proper sentence... can anyone make this clean ?
thank you
@Cerberus hi...
 
crl
Treat or trick
 
6:10 PM
@JudeNiroshan Can you answer my question?
 
crl
What do you mean with "treat"?
 
You should probably start with I wonder why...
 
@Cerberus ohh. i'm sorry. i didn't see that. treat = small party
 
crl
Is it the cost of the party that bothers you?
 
@JudeNiroshan OK then use party or celebration?
 
6:14 PM
@crl yes. because there are about 50 people in my team
 
crl
:))
 
@crl i can't afford that much of money
 
crl
@Cerberus Indians may have their own jargon
 
> You asked me to organise a event on the occasion of my salary increase, but my salary is too low: I cannot afford it.
 
@Cerberus if you wish :)
@crl i'm not a Indian :P
 
6:15 PM
Replace event with whatever noun you think they would use in your company.
 
crl
Oh Sri Lanka!
 
There used to be a land bridge from Sri Lanka to India...
 
@Cerberus appreciate your reply. But that is not i am looking for
@Cerberus ancient folks says so
 
6 mins ago, by Cerberus
You should probably start with I wonder why...
 
Í wonder why you still asking for a treat even though you know that i'm getting paid a lower salary
but for me, this sentence is too long and feels like incomplete
 
crl
6:19 PM
yes it lacks a "are"
 
> Í wonder why you are still asking for a treat, even though you know that I'm getting paid a lower salary than x.
What @crl says.
And don't forget to capitalize the pronoun I.
 
crl
Make a tea party
 
Bake a cake!
 
do you think that 'even though ' is the matching phase there? for me, it's not. some other. unfortunately that something is not coming to my mind
 
Or some nice, but cheap, curry with chutney and stuff.
@JudeNiroshan Even though is fine.
I suppose still...even though is pleonastic, but that's all right.
 
6:23 PM
I wonder why you are still asking for a treat, while you knowing that I'm getting paid a lower salary
is this ok?
 
crl
I wonder why you are still asking for a treat, while I'm barely making ends meet at the end of the month
 
i want to make this sentence shorter. but still i want to keep this part > 'I wonder why you are asking for a treat, ...'
@crl and that's something i was looking for ^_^
 
@JudeNiroshan while you know
But I like (even) though better.
 
while I'm barely making ends meet at the end of the month
ends
or
end?
 
@JudeNiroshan I am confused about the social situation. Has your boss given you a raise (an increase in salary)? And is he telling you to organize a party to celebrate it? And is he requiring you to pay for the party? (forgetting whether you can afford it or not)
 
crl
6:30 PM
@JudeNiroshan ends
 
@Mitch he is not my boss. Just the leader of our team. that means, salary increment was not given by him. Increment was given by the Management. He is just a senior person. he will not help to organize the party
 
@JudeNiroshan OK. And are you expected to pay for this party? (by your team leader or Management)
 
crl
Alcohol I imagine
 
@Mitch not at all. I want them to impress it in an ironic way with my reply.
@Mitch impression that i'm trying to give them is my salary is lower and my increment was not satisfactory one
 
@JudeNiroshan Not at all.. what? Who is supposed to pay for the party? (and is that the general expectation when given a raise there?)
 
6:33 PM
@Mitch there is no party. Nobody is organizing a party. All the people want to celebrate my salary increment. so, they asking for a small party to be organized by me
i think, now you can understand my situation
so, i'm looking for a nice, (+ harsh in ironic way) reply to my leader (senior person)
so far, this is what i found,
"I wonder why you still asking for a treat(party), while i'm barely making ends meed at the end of the month"
opps! sorry , meet
 
@JudeNiroshan so if there is a party, who would pay for it? You?
(organize means to set it up, not necessrily to also pay for it, that is why I am asking for clarification)
 
6:49 PM
@Mitch i need to spend my own money. nobody will help me
 
@crl For the record, a hipster is not someone with gigantic hips.
 
@Robusto but a lobster can have huge lobs.
 
crl
^:))
 
@JudeNiroshan OK now I get it (partly). So you get a raise from management. Your team leader says that you should throw a party to celebrate (Is that a common thing to pay for a party for ones own raise?)
And you want to tell your team leader that you'd rather not do it.
Is it because the raise is not enough to cover the expense of a party?
 
@Mitch yes . exactly
 
6:57 PM
But is it about pride? Because you said you want to be "harsh in an ironic way".
Since your team leader didn't give you the raise, there's no need to be sarcastic with them. You can just tell him/her outright that the raise was not enough to cover the expense of a party. He won't be hurt by that (it's not his fault he didn't give you enough).
But I'm not used to that situation so I could be reading it all wrong.
 
@Mitch but thank you for your time :)
 
By saying to your team leader "I wonder why you are still asking for a party...", it sounds like he should understand fully your situation (and is a little presumptuous. He may have no idea what's in your head). On the other hand, he may very well understand that and a party is still expected of you whether you can afford it or not. I have no idea, it all depends on what is usual where you are.
 
they want to celebrate my salary increment. But they don't know how much i my salary. I don't even want to tell to anyone. Without hurting in words, i want to give a reply little harsh( want to let them know increment is not enough) manner
 
7:14 PM
Would it be too blunt (too honest, revealing too much) to tell your team leader that the pay raise is not enough to cover the cost of the party? Culturally here (US) whether you can pay for it or not, making someone pay for their own raise or promotion would be considered an imposition (the company should cover it). Even a celebration seems too much (even for upper management).
 
(un)fortunately i'm not living in US
 
7:56 PM
@Mitch Not necessarily. Look at the spiny lobster. Nevertheless, a teamster can have a huge team.
 
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