English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

01:24

@Andrew I’m sorry about all that. Anti-Christians trying to pick a fight over simple everyday words ruffle my feathers.

It feels like political correctness gone mad.

And PC bludgeoning never feels right to me.

Mitch

01:41

@Cerberus I se 19:47 (in my chat tab for my message just above "Greetings!"

and it was 7:47 PM for me (EDT)

Cerberus

I see.

How strange.

Mitch

It's 02:42 for you at the moment right?

Cerberus

3

Mitch

oh. I'm thinking of England.

Cerberus

Don't think of England, dear.

Mitch

01:44

doesn't think of England

Cerberus

Good.

And don't close your eyes.

Mitch

Oops.

That's how I did it.

Cerberus

So why does it display your local time for you, but Arrowfar's local time for me?

Mitch

I closed my eyes and didn't think of England. Obviously my eyes are open now.

Cerberus

I'm not sure what to advise you now.

Mitch

01:46

@Cerberus ?? How do you know you're getting Arrowfar's time? He didn't respond

Cerberus

Perhaps it isn't his time, but it sure isn't my time either!

Mitch

@Cerberus I'm not thinking at all now and if you were to say something, it might push me over the edge into thought.

Cerberus

It was 0:49 my time.

@Mitch Don't do it!!

Mitch

his time is... +11GMT?

Cerberus

Could be.

But not 10:49 PM anyway.

Mitch

01:47

@Cerberus no worries. That's how thoughtless I am. I'm not worrying either.

Cerberus

So what the hell is going on?

Mitch

I thought all times here were displayed in UTC+0

Cerberus

Mitch

or maybe it's always local time, but his was messed up/miss set.

Cerberus

2 hours ago, by Cerberus

http://chat.stackexchange.com/messages/21187027/history

Hmm.

@Mitch But then why do you see your time?

Mitch

01:50

OK, the web page itself is rendering that time, it must be local. Because I don't have a time stamp on Arrowfar's "Greetings :)" message. BUt your "Greetings, mortals" message displays for me as "18:46"

I think your browser settings are not what you expect.

But it makes sense... for you who are +1UTC and me -5UTC that works.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:06

@Cerberus I tried to buy a Moto X yesterday. I went to Telus, one of the two mobile carriers who sell it. They wouldn't sell me one because I'm not a Telus customer. I went to Walmart, and they wouldn't sell me one either.

I tried calling Motorola Canada's 1800 number to complain that I can't buy their product.

But when I got connected, I had to press 1 for English

But in order to press 1, I have to press the button that brings up the dial pad.

I can't press that button because it's in the dead part of my screen.

Cerberus

@Mitch I'm not sure what you mean.

1. 10:49 PM was not his local time.

Mitch

@Cerberus I'm telling you what I see.

Yes, it's not his local time but your local time

EnglishMaster

guys

Cerberus

@Mitch Nope, neither.

Nor was it SE's local time.

Mitch

@Cerberus what was your actual time and what time was displayed in chat?

Cerberus

02:09

It was 0:49 AM for me, something like 10:49 AM for him.

EnglishMaster

How do you refer to a female friend or relationship who is not your girlfriend but you meet her only to have sex?

user116848

@Cerberus Hi. I saw the ping just now. Yes, it says 10:49 for me too.

Cerberus

@Mitch In chat, nothing was displayed.

Mitch

@Cerberus and displayed what?

oh

user116848

It is 7:10 AM here though (now)

user116848

02:10

Local time.

Cerberus

And what time was it for you when you posted that?

user116848

Let me see.

EnglishMaster

Can someone answer my question?

user116848

Yes around 4 AM

EnglishMaster

There is a term to describe it in Korean but I'm not sure in English

Mitch

02:12

@EnglishMaster I don't think anybody knows here. I'm sure you could find it elsewhere, like on Urban Dictionary or Yahoo answers.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus This starred message shows 22:10 for me in the chat room but 2:10am in the transcript.

EnglishMaster

You call it "Sex partner" in Korea

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I conclude, as we all concluded every time this question has been raised, that the transcript is always in UTC

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 it shows 22:10 for me too...wait, we're same time zone.

user116848

Yeah UTC.

Mitch

02:13

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But that's not UTC+0 it's UTC-5

user116848

I never understood timings here either.

user116848

Complicated stuff :-)

EnglishMaster

I like the culture, sex partner in Korea, because you don't need to bear heavy burden of being in a love relationship with a girl but still occasionally get laid.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch What do you mean?

I'm in Eastern Daylight Time which is UTC-4

because of DST

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm in EDT which is UTC-5

ok -4

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:14

22 + 4 = 2am

Mitch

so the time on a chat message matches my computer time

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

in the chat room it matches your local time... I'm not sure how they do it. Probably browser-reported time zone.

The transcript is always UTC.

Mitch

browser javascript

EnglishMaster

Ok, I think it is referred as "casual sex" in west

Mitch

oh right...the transcript is UTC0

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:15

@EnglishMaster booty call? friend with benefits?

user116848

Yeah, in chat room time is synced with the local time.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@arrowfar s/synced with/displayed as/

user116848

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah

EnglishMaster

booty call sounds like I'm hooked up with a "pay-to-sex" girl. I'm talking about a normal college girl without intention of making money out of sex

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

how is everyone tonight anyway? me, I'm grumpy because my arm hurts and I can't buy a phone.

Mitch

02:17

I hope those aren't connected

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@EnglishMaster It may sound like that to you, but that's not what it means.

@Mitch No, the arm is from raking leaves

Mitch

not both and shoulders too?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well, technically, it's my left shoulder.

from the top-middle on the outside, all the way down, past my elbow.

I think I aggravated my tendons

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ah, but so why is GMT 2 hours earlier? I should be on GMT+1, no DST now.

Mitch

I just let the leaves lie. sometimes they just blow away

Cerberus

02:19

But that's probably it, yes.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus What do you mean, "GMT 2 hours earlier"?

@Mitch my hedge traps them.

Cerberus

The transcript said 10:49 PM, while he posted his message at 0:49 my time.

user116848

I think something is wrong with the avatars here. Do you guys notice?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

You are GMT+2 right now

Cerberus

Why?

Mitch

02:20

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You should get a trapless hedge. Or cultivate a forest.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I googled "What time is it in Amsterdam" and it says "GMT + 2"

Cerberus

But why?

Another thing that threw me off is that Mitch must have misreported, then.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Why what

EnglishMaster

I hate falling love with someone

Cerberus

He mentioned something that was his local time, not the time he saw in the transcript.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:21

Is GMT+2 not the correct timezone for Amsterdam?

user116848

I mean even I was not here for some hours my avatars didn't leave. I even closed the tab.

EnglishMaster

I love being "casual", it's just so much better

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

10:49 UTC + 2 = 0:49 Cerberus Standard Time?

Cerberus

I don't know, but, if it is, then I wonder why, since we are normally +1, and it's not DST now.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus isn't it?

EnglishMaster

02:21

I want to live my own life but when I fall in love with someone, I constantly remind of that person and can't focus on my things

user116848

Avatar glitch I guess.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It isn't.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> Daylight Saving Time Usage in Europe. Sunday March 29, 2015

Mitch

@Cerberus Have you listened to the news lately? maybe it just happened last night.

Cerberus

DST is in winter, right? Saving as much daylight as you can by temporarily changing the local time?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:22

No

DST is summer time

Cerberus

Jesus.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus you're either drunk or trolling, right?

you didn't know this?

Cerberus

Then that is a crazy term, it means the opposite of what it is intended for.

Mitch

@Cerberus wow. all these years you had it backwards

Cerberus

02:23

I am not.

In Dutch, we say winter time and summer time.

Why have the English fucked it up?

Mitch

They say Daylight Savings Time, not Summer Standard Time

tchrist

Some people say summer time, but people don’t say winter time here.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It is not the optimal term. But it is meant to save daylight - for the evening. It doesn't actually "save" any daylight. And you can't use it in winter because there isn't enough daylight to save.

They should call it "Daylight Shifting Time"

tchrist

Clock shifting time.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

and if that helps you remember, it has the same acronym

tchrist

02:24

He’ll balk.

Mitch

They should call it "More Heart Attacks time"

Cerberus

In winter, you save some daylight for the morning.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Those heart attacks just balance out. They just get bunched up.

tchrist

There is saving. The sun does not shift its appointed course.

Cerberus

And the morning is what it is all about, right? So that people don't have to go to work in the dark all the time?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:25

@Cerberus No. In winter you use standard time.

Mitch

It's intended for summer, where you have -lots- of daylight in the evening

tchrist

Still nonsense.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus you're intentionally getting everything about DST wrong on purpose, right?

tchrist

The day the sun beats me up is the day I file a law suit against Apollo.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But wait, this convo started before I got here, so you can't be trolling me

unless you knew I'd come

Mitch

02:25

I summer in the arctic and winter in the antarctic. daylight all day all year round

Cerberus

No, it is just exactly 180 degrees counter-intuitive.

So DST is summer time.

Mitch

@tchrist Damn you, gods!

lightning strikes

tchrist

Careful with that.

Cerberus

I will try to remember that and delete what the letters stand for from my memory.

Mitch

@tchrist ha ha. they missed.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:26

@Cerberus It's very simple. You want more daylight in the evening. In the summer, there is enough daylight that you can shift it into the evening without totally fucking up mornings. In the winter, you can't, so you leave it at Standard time.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 People could just get up earlier.

Mitch

They should just use big mirrors to spread out the sunlight for longer days all year round.

@tchrist or just be cows.

wait...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist nah, society isn't that coordinated, and you can't make schools open earlier, etc, without a massive effort that's just as disruptive as the time change.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 This sequence of events would be hilarious, if each step weren't so horrendously broken.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

If it's worth doing at all, hacking the clocks is the simplest way.

Cerberus

02:28

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But the system was invented for the morning, not the evening.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus wrong

Mitch

hacking my clock...with an axe

EnglishMaster

Ok, I love my parents, especially my dad. But I fu... literally phuc... king hate them for giving me gene that has extremely hard time growing arm muscles

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Yeah I've been alternating between laughing at crying

Mitch

wow..there're all these weird little parts in my watch.

tchrist

02:29

@EnglishMaster Don’t make me delete you again.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Can't you order a Moto X from Amazon?

EnglishMaster

sorry

Cerberus

One that works on your weird carrier?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus not easily.

Mitch

@EnglishMaster there might be better chat rooms than this one for you.

Cerberus

02:29

And/or switch to a different carrier?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus my carrier is the least weird

EnglishMaster

like what?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I have one of the best deals available

tchrist

Pigeons.

Cerberus

So what if you just order a standard GSM Moto X from Amazon?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:30

@Cerberus I am looking into that. But most places won't ship to Canada.

Cerberus

Not on Amazon.com?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Or the phone is $200+ more than the retail price here

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 really?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus only books can reliably be shipped here.

@Mitch It's so fucked up!

Cerberus

Of course I could ship you one, but import duties would probably be prohibitive.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:30

Lego is often much cheaper on amazon.com, but nobody ships it to Canada.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah, that's messed up. it's the 21st century man!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Not Amazon, not any of their affiliated retailers.

Cell phones: cheaper on amazon. But most places won't ship most models to Canada.

Mitch

how about walmart?

maybe that's just for walmart stuff

Cerberus

> € 368,95

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, I went to walmart.

Cerberus

02:31

They only seem to have the 16GB one.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The local store won't sell it to me.

The US website won't ship to Canada.

Mitch

how about...

dang I don't know

Cerberus

Haha.

That was expected.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Motorola has a website where you can custom-order an unlocked phone with all the features you want including premium finishes, engraving, whatever! WON'T SHIP TO CANADA

tchrist

@Mitch 3D printing.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Don’t you live like a stone’s throw from the border?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:33

I found a 16GB one that ships to Canada but it's $800+

@tchrist not really. 2hr drive min. By the time I factor in gas and import taxes it gets expensive, unless i'm already going there for some other reason

tchrist

Oh.

EnglishMaster

guys, do you put comma before or after conjunction ?

I've been putting it after all the time

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> before, or after, a conjunction?

EnglishMaster

yeah

tchrist

@EnglishMaster Did the existing ELU answers to that question leave some confusion?

Cerberus

02:34

The third one, EC something, will ship to Canada: amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00MWI4JNM/ref=sr_1_1_olp/…

It is AT&T, is that OK?

16 GB.

White bamboo.

EnglishMaster

I haven't really made to ELU to see if a question about it already exist

but would you refuse my resume for incorrectly having a comma before or after a conjunction?

tchrist

I pitch résumés that have English mistakes.

At least, if the job requires English. :)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's probably okay, the next step is to figure out what version AT&T has and which bands it supports.

Plus then the phone will be loaded with AT&T's junk on it

Cerberus

Hehe.

tchrist

Where junk = naughty bits.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:37

This is another reason why I like to buy Nexus phones.

Cerberus

You can flash a clean ROM on it and/or clear the junk with root.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Yeah, great, cuz I love spending $hundreds on electronics that are unusable until I void the warranty

Cerberus

I don't know about your laws, but here that wouldn't void the warranty.

Unless the damage is caused by the rooting/flashing.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

perhaps. Still annoying

and 16GB white bamboo is my only choice too

Cerberus

And you can normally always flash the phone back to stock and they won't know.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:39

that's like the ugliest combo

I am going to try to buy the phone from the other carrier. I used to be a customer there. Maybe they won't be assholes.

arg! It's $100 more there!

This is so annoying. I'm a tech person. I love tech. I love new things. I like buying stuff. But shopping for cell phones makes me want to stab everyone.

tchrist

Shopping does that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it's the only product that makes me feel that way

I had to make a spreadsheet to prove that buying the phone on contract was actually worse, despite the subsidies.

tchrist

Because it’s the only one where you’re fully aware how badly they’re screwing you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist I think it's the only market where the screwing goes so deep

tchrist

I really don’t know.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:43

everything else I buy is just regular retail screwings.

tchrist

Cerb is always trying to get me to buy a $100 compuphone. Why do you need to spend $800 again?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Move to here!

tchrist

I cannot imagine anything being worth that much.

Cerberus

Donate the city of Toronto to Holland.

tchrist

Maybe a used car.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:44

@tchrist I have particular tastes. I want something recent, because I want to stay up to date on the latest software and developments.

Cerberus

@tchrist Haha, I am, aren't I.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist well, computers can easily cost that much. and a cell phone is primarily a small computer.

tchrist

@Cerberus “The first hit is free.”

Cerberus

$800 for a computer is far too much for the average user.

And Mr Shiny is looking for a $400 phone.

I am very happy with my $300 phone.

tchrist

That is a lot of money.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:46

My cell phone has a better screen than most TVs have had for a century, a faster computer with more ram than most computers I've ever owned, and a better network connection than most computers I've used.

The phone is $450 at the one vendor who won't sell to me, and $540 at the other vendor.

Cerberus

@tchrist It is, but the only device I use more often than my computer is my pocket omnipotentator, as I call it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I've only once spent less than $800 on a computer. I usually spend $1500 or more.

Cerberus

Perhaps in 1990...

But you're not the average user.

tchrist

A friend woke up Friday morning with 3rd-degree burns after a night of stupidly stupefying drinking, but doesn’t know where or how he got them. They’re on both the front and the back of his body like from an electric blanket but he doesn’t own one. He gets self-transplant surgery tomorrow.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus No, I'm not.

@tchrist weird.

Cerberus

02:48

@tchrist That's pretty horrible!

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Don’t think I’ve ever had one for under a grand.

Cerberus

Where did he spend the evening, where the night?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist The one I bought to hook up to my TV was about $500

Cerberus

My computer cost €600 to build in 2008. It would still be 100% fine for the average user.

tchrist

@Cerberus Out with a girlfriend, barhopping.

Cerberus

02:49

What does she remember?

tchrist

She says he was fine when he left her, but he doesn’t remember how he got home.

Cerberus

And he woke up at home?

tchrist

Yeah, he did. Pretty sure she didn’t pyro him. :)

Cerberus

Most extraordinary.

tchrist

Well, he has an old-fashioned gas heater and Thursday night we got like 4-6" of snow.

So it was really cold for spring.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:50

@tchrist He's probably being controlled by a neural parasite that makes him go out at night and act like a superhero. Hey, it happened to Spiderman.

tchrist

All I can figure, but how on both sides, I cannot understand.

Cerberus

He went home with someone, had sex with her/him, got burned by the electric blanket there, then immediately went home, still very drunk.

tchrist

Maybe, but probably not.

Cerberus

A, a gas heater.

How bad are the burns?

tchrist

He has a CO detector and it didn’t go off.

The burns are 3rd degree.

Cerberus

02:51

Yes, but there are many different kinds.

Black, charred?

tchrist

He has destroyed the skin of his lower right forearm.

What I saw was not black, but I didn’t see the bad stuff.

It’s from beltline to belly button, then circling right around to his back.

Cerberus

I once got a very small burn on my elbow, by touching the gas heater for half a second. It immediately turned white in the centre. But not black.

tchrist

And his lower right forearm.

EnglishMaster

guys

Cerberus

Circling?

tchrist

02:52

@Cerberus That fast??

Cerberus

Yeah.

EnglishMaster

How do you clearly determine when to use comma or semicolon or dash in your sentence when you need to break?

tchrist

@Cerberus Like he rolled atop something.

Cerberus

But I suppose it depends on how high it was set.

@tchrist Even his flanks?

tchrist

@Cerberus Well, it is not below the beltline, but it looks like it was applied to bare skin.

Cerberus

02:54

Perhaps in his drunken stupor, he heated some object on the gas heater, then lay on it?

A wet cloth?

tchrist

Well, not much below the beltline. Some on the side. I didn’t ask him if his underwear were charred.

A wet cloth cannot do this much damage.

I don’t think.

Cerberus

It can cause 3rd-degree burns, but probably not over such a large area.

Not all at once.

You can get 3rd-degree burns easily from spilling tea on cloth.

tchrist

Probably only the forearm is third degree. They aren’t doing grafts for the rest, but what I saw of the rest was worse than any burn I have ever seen.

Cerberus

I think blisters can still be 2nd degree?

tchrist

Right.

I think so.

Cerberus

02:56

That is a mighty bad hangover.

tchrist

But they are taking the grafts from his left side, which is the only part that is uninjured.

He will not find any peace lying down.

Cerberus

Was any relevant object found in his house?

tchrist

Nobody has been back there.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Tell them to look out for a neural parasite. Now that the host is damaged, it will be looking for a new one.

Cerberus

02:57

Maybe he stood under a hot shower, slipped, got out, went to bed?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Cerberus

Maybe he was wearing a towel around his waist when the hot water soaked it?

EnglishMaster

Guys, does superior writing really matter in real life? Will you depreciate someone's English proficiency because he/she mistakenly put dash in place of comma in their writing?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It looks like that

@EnglishMaster some will. Also it's "deprecate"

tchrist

@Cerberus Hm.

Cerberus

02:58

Somehow I don't think that particular parasite has affected Tom's friend.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus We can't be too careful.

Cerberus

Drunk people do strange things.

EnglishMaster

yeah, but you still understood the question although I misspelled "deprecate"

tchrist

In any event, he is on very serious IV drugs. Hydromorphone. Some benzos. Antibiotics. Anticlotting stuff. He isn’t very scintillating a conversationalist.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

This particular parasite is afraid of fire. Probably, in his drunken state, he finally realized what happened, and tried to burn it out.

Cerberus

02:59

But a circular burn all over the towel area would still be weird.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@EnglishMaster Yes, but I also deprecated you.

EnglishMaster

Why?

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