English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

c c

02:00

lepidosauromorpha

Cerberus

@tchrist Exactly. I wonder why amphibians resemble souroi so much, though.

By the way, what is sauropsida supposed to mean??

tchrist

Isn’t that your job?

Cerberus

By that I mean "it is an abomination, take it away!".

tchrist

Why do dolphins resemble fish?

Cerberus

No, the name is a malformation.

How fucking lazy and incompetent are biologists if they cannot just ask one person who knows Greek whether the name they made up is correct?

tchrist

02:04

Many amphibians fail to resemble many squamates.

c c

their tails are quite orthogonal of fishes'

tchrist

@cc Such a delightful choice of words!

Be that as it may.

Cerberus

No, unbe it!

It is intolerable.

c c

:))

tchrist

Why do mosasaurs resemble fish resemble dolphins resemble mosasaurs?

Cerberus

02:06

Excuse me while I grieve.

tchrist

Oh, and did I mention fish?

Amniote

The amniotes are a group of tetrapods (descendants of four-limbed and backboned animals) that have an egg equipped with an amnios, an adaptation to lay eggs on land rather than in water as anamniotes (including frogs) typically do. They include synapsids (mammals along with their extinct kin) and sauropsids (reptiles including birds), as well as their fossil ancestors. Amniote embryos, whether laid as eggs or carried by the female, are protected and aided by several extensive membranes. In eutherian mammals (such as humans), these membranes include the amniotic sac that surrounds the fetu...

Why do bats resemble flying monkeys?

c c

tetrapods and spiders for example, are very far, but they both lay eggs

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus I believe "sauropsid" comes from the Greek saur- (meaning lizard) and opsis (meaning sight).

tchrist

@cc But if you had a tetraploid whilom tetrapod, you might well an octopod thereby create.

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Wikipedia seemed to suggest it came from apsis, not opsis?

c c

02:08

@tchrist hmm they are not so far then

spiders breath

tchrist

@cc No, it’s a matter of being a chordate versus an arthropod.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus It is similar to sphenopsid, using the same -opsid suffix.

c c

arthropod (spider's family) I know this one at least

tchrist

@cc So do trees.

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Hmm that does indeed say opsis.

c c

02:10

@tchrist a very different process..

Cerberus

Synapsid

Synapsids (Greek, 'fused arch'), synonymous with theropsids (Greek, 'beast-face'), are a group of animals that includes mammals and every animal more closely related to mammals than to other living amniotes. They are easily separated from other amniotes by having a temporal fenestra, an opening low in the skull roof behind each eye, leaving a bony arch beneath each; this accounts for their name. Primitive synapsids are usually called pelycosaurs; more advanced mammal-like ones, therapsids. The non-mammalian members are described as mammal-like reptiles in classical systematics; they can ...

tchrist

@cc Nonetheless.

anapsid [adj.]
† ˈapsid [n.]
capsid [adj. and n.1]
capsid [n.2]
diapsid [adj.]
oegopsid [adj.]
ichthyˈopsid [adj. n.] ← ichthyopsida
myopsid [adj. and n.]
nucleocapsid [n.]
× oigopsid → oegopsid
phalaenopsid [n.]
sauˈropsid ← Sauropsida
synapsid [adj.]
therapsid [n.]

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda So there are related groups with opsis and apsis!

Then I stand corrected.

c c

It's weird to realize, we are cousins of trees..

tchrist

At ease, soldier.

Cerberus

02:12

But it is strange, why did they pick such similar-sounding but completely different names for similar animals?

tchrist

@Cerberus Ask Adam.

Theodore Broda

This source has the etymology of sauropsid. The -opsid (from the Greek opsis, or sight) is used in the sense of "appearing like a lizard", not "having lizard sight".

Cerberus

> Synapsids (Greek, 'fused arch'), synonymous with theropsids (Greek, 'beast-face')

Aren't these synonyms unfortunate?

@TheodoreBroda So be it, then.

@tchrist Who?

tchrist

@cc Closer to fungus, actually.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus Yes, they should have chosen less confusing Greek roots!

tchrist

02:14

@cc But good eukaryotes are we one and all, it is true. Now, why do I feel like I just stuttered?

@TheodoreBroda I should be content with fewer. It is a lesser goal, I know, but still.

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Indeed!

c c

@tchrist Are we closer to fungus or jelly fishes?

Cerberus

By the way, the European Court of Justice is usually quite good, but in this case they have really fucked up.

tchrist

@cc We share a kingdom with the jellyfish, amongst other things.

Cerberus

I can order Google to remove links embarrassing stories about me for no specific reason, even when the story itself is perfectly legal and can remain on line.

Isn't that stupid?

Theodore Broda

02:16

@Cerberus Apsis is used in many other English words as well. In fact, apsis (and the closely related word apse), are both words in of themselves.

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Yes, of course.

tchrist

Cerberus

Apsis is used in all the world's languages for the semicircular part of a church.

tchrist

No.

That is the apse.

Not the apsis.

Cerberus

Apsis or its derivatives.

It is the same word.

tchrist

02:18

Well, except it the plural.

Those are apses.

Which is a fine kettle of fish!

Cerberus

See?

At any rate, I have no problem with the word, obviously.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist Actually, both apse and apsis can refer to the semicircular part of a church.

tchrist

If you have several apses, and then lost all but one, what would you be left with?

It is the same problem as with bases.

@TheodoreBroda Are you now, or have you been, a member of the choir boy party? They tend to be familiar with all manners of apses, just not with all manners.

Cerberus

> 3. Arch. = apse 1.
1706 Phillips, Absis or Apsis, the bowed or arched Roof of a House, Room, or Oven. 1845 Ford Handbk. Spain vi. 509 One noble nave with a semicircular absis. 1852 A. Jameson Leg. Madonna (1857) 6 The figure in the apsis of St. John Lateran.

tchrist

We all have the OED, TYVM.

Cerberus

02:20

I saved you the time.

tchrist

Then read their admonition!!

Cerberus

It does not apply to me.

tchrist

> L. apsis, absis (pl. aps-, absīdes), a. Gr. ἀψίς, ἁψίς a fastening, the felloe of a wheel, hence a wheel, arch, vault, f. ἅπ-τ-ειν to join, fasten. It would be well to restrict apsis to the astronomical sense, leaving apse in the architectural.

Cerberus

It is not an admonition, rather, but (an) encouragement.

Hah, I did not read that part.

tchrist

Glad I could fix that for you.

Cerberus

02:23

At any rate, you know arch. works on me like a red flag on a toro, whether it mean archaic or archaeological.

tchrist

I have trouble with apsis and apis and avis and vespa and Hertz.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist Tell the House Un-Choirlike Activities Committee that I am familiar with church architecture. I know my ambulatories from my chevets, my transepts from my naves, and my diaconicons from my protheses.

Cerberus

@tchrist Poor you!

I have trouble with Auschwitz and Nietzsche.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Not all knaves are trans; indeed, few are.

Have you ever tried to rent a Vespa from Avis or Hertz? It’s a pain in the apis.

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Excellent! I'd have to look some of those up...

c c

02:26

For Nietzsche, a professor said us this is easy, it has 9 letters

Cerberus

Avis is a...company?

tchrist

Duh.

They rent cars and such.

Cerberus

@cc That makes it easier?

c c

car renting

tchrist

So do Hertz.

Cerberus

02:27

@tchrist Why "duh"?

It could have been...a person, w'evs.

tchrist

Bring me a frog!

c c

@Cerberus for some reason, yes, (not forgetting one)

Cerberus

Haha.

I'll just stick with my spelling corrector...

@tchrist Quare ranam petas?

tchrist

So I can dissect the joke.

And kill the frog.

Both vespae and apes are known to cause great hurts if you sit on them.

Cerberus

Rana non est iocus!

c c

02:30

like also Schwartz, that must not be confounded with Schwarz (math.unice.fr/~frou/pieges.html)

Cerberus

Sed quis insideat vespae?

tchrist

Same difference: dissecting them both is a messy business, and in the end, you’ve killed the frog.

Cerberus

@cc That all depends on which man you mean!

tchrist

They always get riled up.

It’s those damned two-stroke engines.

I think Avis rents Falcons, not Vespas.

Cerberus

Tu rara avis.

tchrist

02:33

quorks

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus I think there is a correlation between having a difficult name and the likelihood of becoming a philosopher. Most philosophers' names are ridiculously long or difficult. If you have trouble spelling Friedrich Nietzsche (like I do), don't even attempt to spell Søren Aabye Kierkegaard!

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Hah, well, those names are not difficult for native speakers...

Name a couple of the greatest philosophers. Plato, Kant, Hume...

c c

Schrödinger

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda My eyes are doing the wrong thing with the middle name.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus Then the Greeks have it easy!

tchrist

02:35

I keep getting Abbé or Abaia or Abbey.

Or a bye-bye.

Theodore Broda

@cc Schrödinger liked and disliked cats simultaneously. What do you think of him, @Cerberus?

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Anaximenes, Anaximander, Anaxagoras...

@TheodoreBroda I know very little about him, except that he illustrated quantum mechanics by means of cats, which is a good thing.

Theodore Broda

!! wiki Schrodinger's cat

Cerberus

I thik the bot sleeps.

tchrist

@Cerb Have you come across Erebus or Abaia yet?

Cerberus

02:38

Abaia?

Erebus is of course always here.

But of her I have heard not.

tchrist

Abaia is the (extra-solar?) megatherian who controls and drives the Ascian forces.

Who of course have no shadow.

The Commonwealth is at war with the Ascians.

Cerberus

Wolfe again?

tchrist

I don’t where Scylla fits in.

Yes.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist Megatherian refers to a Pliocene-era giant sloth. What are you talking about!?

tchrist

Great Scylla is also one of them.

@TheodoreBroda “Big beasties” is what I’m talkin’ about, laddie.

It is a name that the theorists have come to use to denote the Great Powers like Erebus and Abaia and Scylla.

Cerberus

02:44

@TheodoreBroda That should be megatherion or megatherium, not megatherian.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist Do you mean Scylla as in Scylla and Charybdis?

Cerberus

So Tchrist's word is probably a newly invented adjective from the fantasy novel.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda No and yes and no and yes.

> “You, the hero who will destroy the black worm that devours the sun; you for whom the sky parts as a curtain; you whose breath shall wither vast Erebus, Abaia, and Scylla who wallow beneath the wave; you that equally live in the shell of the smallest seed in the farthest forest, the seed that hath rolled into the dark where no man sees.”

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus Stop taunting me and pleeeease tell me to what you are referring!

tchrist

> "All right," I conceded, "you don't have to answer that. But what about the other question you pledged yourself to answer? How can human soldiers resist the monsters from the seas?"

> "You were correct when you said Erebus and Abaia are as great as mountains, and I admit that I was surprised you knew it. Most people lack the imagination to conceive of anything so large, and think them no bigger than houses or ships. Their actual size is so great that while they remain on this world they can never leave the water--their own weight would crush them.

Cerberus

02:47

@TheodoreBroda Tchrist is referring to names as used in fantasy novels by Gene Wolfe.

Or so I presume.

tchrist

@Cerberus No, just from its analysts. Wolfe actually uses it in the old way.

Cerberus

Ah, I see.

tchrist

> It is on the third shelf from the floor, and leans against a folio in green cloth--I believe it is Blaithmaic's Lives of the Seventeen Megatherians."

Somewhere a megathere roared and shook its chain.

I halted and listened, and the megathere, no longer disturbed by my footfalls, settled back into the death--like sleep of its kind.

Tents were being struck even while rehearsals continued, so that I saw a seemingly solid pyramid of striped canvas collapse like a flag thrown down and reveal beyond it the grass-green megathere rearing on his hind legs while a dancer pirouetted on his forehead.

Those are the only four sentences using it.

Cerberus

I see the adjective actually exists, according to the OED.

tchrist

But the people who follows these books sometimes use megatherian to mean the almost Cthulhoid critters of the seas.

As far as we can tell, Wolfe’s use of megathere is probably a resurrected-à-la-Jurassic-Park Pleistocene critter.

Theodore Broda

02:51

I used Google, and found this.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Yes, that’s the one.

> My favorite speculation--I forget who came up with it--is that the seventeen
megatherians are the seventeen beastly people who founded the government of
Ascia. The "Group of Seventeen" would refer to them or to the "present" group
that rules Ascia, maybe having the same number by tradition. As the Ascians are
the "slaves of Abaia" (if I remember correctly), maybe they took or were given
the name "megatherians" because Abaia is a "great beast".

> If we're crediting Wolfe with significance in every detail, then he uses "ther"
in the names of mammals. Thus Abaia would be a megather, not a megatherian.
"Megatherian" could well be an adherent of the Great Beast Abaia, though.

As Gerry pointed out, the idea that Blaithmaic's megatherians are Erebus & Co.
runs into the question of what kind of lives they have that someone could write
about and how Blaithmaic could claim to know them. B.'s title also suggests
that those lives are over; "Life of So-and-So" is usually about a dead person.

The thing is, there was a book called Blaithmaic’s Lives of the Seventeen Megatherians that we never learn anything about.

So people have tried to figure what megatherians are.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus While on Google Books, here is a passage you may find interesting, as it pertains to our conversation yesterday (you were right about the semicolon, and I was right about the Tironian et).

tchrist

Because we do encounter megetheres, and they are the Pleistocene beasts.

But as the commenter above points out, it doesn’t make sense in the book’s title.

Wolfe drops the fantastic names of all these exotic things, very Dying-Earth like, and people are forever trying to figure out what he meant, if anything.

From here.

The same objections as you have raised have been heard before. We still wonder.

c c

Did you guys read this? it somewhat struck me (back when I was in school)

The Scythe (short story)

"The Scythe" is a short story by American author Ray Bradbury. It was originally published in the July, 1943 issue of Weird Tales. It was first collected in Bradbury's anthology Dark Carnival and later collected in The October Country and The Stories of Ray Bradbury. Synopsis Through an odd stroke of luck, a poor family inherits a house, the wheat field surrounding it, and a strange scythe with the inscription "Who wields me--wields the world!" Every day the man of the family goes out to use the scythe in the field, but he notices strange things about the wheat and the way it grows. Ov...

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda Right, so the signs have different, though Tironian, origins.

> Here is a list of all the females, above the age of puberty, that Severian met on his travels and did not immediately fall in love with/lust after: . There you go.

@tchrist Do you agree with this?

tchrist

03:03

@Cerberus Absolutely not.

The whole “all the chicks he lays are his secret relatives” thing is just old and tired and dumb.

People are quacks.

Theodore Broda

@cc I read the synopsis, and it seems quite interesting. Didn't Bradbury also write Fahrenheit 451?

c c

raybradbury.ru/library/story/43/6/0 it's a short story

@TheodoreBroda dunno

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, OK.

Secret relatives she doesn't say btw.

tchrist

But he led a very sheltered youth, without any women in it at all.

But hm.

No, I wouldn’t say so. There is one in particular I’m thinking of.

There are others.

In the first book’s first chapter, there is an incident where there is no guard at a certain gate when there ought to be. I think it is not “explained” (well, you see how it happened) until the eleventh’s book twenty-first chapter, and then confirmed in the twelfth book.

Very long game. :)

Surely a retcon, but artfully done.

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Q: Wew is birt is he her?

JAMESMEJMAJESHew amsn whaeri s ajamse![ Why is sames herio? ]1[wetO]2

meaning

Theodore Broda

03:23

@tchrist Wow. Just wow. That is so ludicrous!

Cerberus

@cc A very compelling writer.

Just like Fahrenheit 451.

Even despite the sense of...dissatisfaction that remains always.

In that the story does not properly end and there is no proper background.

But compelling nonetheless.

Theodore Broda

03:42

@Cerberus I think the story has an excellent and accurate ending, just not a cheerful one. The "grim reaper" is arbitrary, and cuts down the green grain before it ripens. Bradbury is also right about humanity's increasingly destructive, bellicose behavior; although it is an allegory, the "kilns of Buchenwald" (the Holocaust) and the "blind suns at Hiroshima" (the atomic bombings on Japan) are quite real.

@Cerberus Death is mysterious, so I think the lack of background is intentional. "The valley seemed ancient, mummified, secretive, dried and bent and powerful. When the Indians danced on the prairie it had been here, this field. The same sky, the same wind, the same wheat. And, before the Indians? Some Cro-Magnon, gnarled and shag-haired, wielding a crude wooden scythe, perhaps, prowling down through the living wheat."

Stack Exchange

11:41

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Matt Эллен

11:52

@JasperLoy I think I had just left by then :)

skullpatrol

12:07

@MattЭллен did my explanation of pi being a finite number make sense pal?

Matt Эллен

I was saying that it is of infinite length and you were saying that it's not infinity. So, I guess so, yes, but I never thought that pi was infinity.

by length, I meant that in base ten the numbers that appear after the decimal place never stop

tchrist

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phrase-requests

Anonymous

Yay, I got the last flag!

tchrist

Getting really tired of the algorithm not catching these.

Matt Эллен

hey! That's not a phrase-request

c c

12:10

@Cerberus yes it's fuzzy, but for the scythe I interpretated it as the way someone gets his life sucked up by a repetitive activity

Anonymous

@MattЭллен It's a phrase-requests!

Matt Эллен

oh! that's OK then

skullpatrol

@MattЭллен I was saying that any number can be considered as having infinite length, such as 1=1.000...

Matt Эллен

@skullpatrol true, but those 0s aren't significant

3 != pi

skullpatrol

@MattЭллен what do you mean by "significant"?

if just one of them is not zero then you don't have 1 anymore

Matt Эллен

12:14

@skullpatrol well, if 1.0... == 1 then the 0s can be ignored and everything is fine. they are not significant.

@skullpatrol so? that is entirely irrelevant to your point.

I agree that 1 can be represented as 1.0...

Anonymous

@skullpatrol But you can draw a distinction. 1 is rational, π is irrational

skullpatrol

I'm just trying to say that "infinite" length can be trapped in a finite number.

Matt Эллен

anyway, all I was doing was making a flippant point, because you said that infinity isn't part of the real numbers, so I pointed out a real number that is infinite in length.

and then you did

so

um

I think that's that

I was, as is my wont, misinterpreting part

@Mr. Shiny can tell you all about how annoying that can be :D

skullpatrol

The best example is the fly that flew back and forth between the two horses that were approaching each other.

An infinite process trapped in a finite time.

Robusto

@tchrist: See if you can guess what the performance was.

skullpatrol

12:26

pi can be trapped between two rational numbers

Johan Larsson

they played Grieg

tchrist

@Robusto Thinking.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson With a harpsichord?

tchrist

That has to be one of those mini-organs, not a clavichord, which couldn’t be heard in that hall.

skullpatrol

@MattЭллен sorry for belaboring the point :-)

tchrist

12:28

Two male vocalists, no female.

Robusto

@tchrist It was in fact a clavichord. And couldn't be heard.

tchrist

AHAH!

Robusto

@tchrist Not pictured: a soprano, an alto, and a countertenor.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto Do you know the name of the song @05:00 or is it just jamming?

tchrist

Wait, was the countertenor singing an alto part?

Matt Эллен

12:30

@skullpatrol no worries. sorry for being an ass

Robusto

@tchrist Sure ounded like it.

@JohanLarsson The super says "Unsquare Dance"—a play on "square dance."

Anonymous

This question is funny

Anonymous

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Q: is direct object always NP?

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grammar syntax

tchrist

I would have expected SSATB soli with only women singing the soprano and mezzo if this were period Baroque.

But I think it is.

Robusto

Very much so.

Johan Larsson

12:31

Also check out the smile @2:13.

Matt Эллен

@snailboat lol. voted to close as unclear what is being asked

tchrist

Perhaps when you said a soprano and an alto, it was actually a soprano and a low mezzo, with the countertenor taking the next slot, which was actually an alto solo.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto yeah, that's the one. Who is the super?

Robusto

@tchrist Yes, could be.

tchrist

Now enough choirs for St Matt's.

Robusto

12:33

@JohanLarsson A "super" in media parlance is an on-screen title.

skullpatrol

Nah, @MattЭллен your questions are good, they show that you've thought about these kind of things :-)

tchrist

Wait, are those really two cellos or is one a viola da gamba?

They look like two cellos to me.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto oh, it was right there the whole time.

Robusto

@tchrist They were two cellos.

tchrist

Darn.

Robusto

12:35

But the instrumentation was not exactly echt. Modern flutes, etc.

tchrist

I see.

Robusto

And the alto part was, in fact, taken by the counter tenor as the program notes inform me.

And there were two soprani.

tchrist

As I had suspected.

Robusto

The high voices were out of my view.

But they did have D-trumpets.

Still, the hunting horn part was taken by a normal horn.

That should have given you a big clue.

tchrist

I would be surprised if it were not Handel or Bach, but beyond that, I can’t place it. The clavichord is a weirdness.

I can’t think of choral pieces with a hunting horn.

Bach liked the clavichord especially.

Robusto

12:39

It was Messe in H-moll.

tchrist

Well, I was wondering.

That calls for SSATB soloists.

Robusto

Yes.

As I said, the alto part was taken by the countertenor.

tchrist

And I see that they split off the altos a long ways.

Robusto

Funny, too, the countertenor was a huge black guy.

tchrist

We never used a clavichord when we did that.

Robusto

12:42

I leaned over to see when the "alto" started singing and was quite surprised to see his giant physique with those sounds coming out of his mouth.

@tchrist Well, a lot of it is open to interpretation.

tchrist

The Richter recording uses a countertenor for the alto.

Robusto

Sviatoslav Richter?

tchrist

Yes.

Robusto

Hmm, I will have to investigate that.

tchrist

No, Karl.

Gosh, stop. Let me run the damn script.

Joshua Rifkin.

Robusto

12:44

Close.

tchrist

pokey(tchrist)% ogginfo /juke/Music/Genres/Serious/Johan\ Sebastian\ Bach/Vocal/Mass\ in\ B\ minor/
Mass in B Minor  BWV 232  Joshua Rifkin  CD1/                         Mass in B Minor  BWV 232  Robert Shaw Chorale and Orchestra  CD1/     Mass in B Minor  BWV 232  Von Karajan CD1/
Mass in B Minor  BWV 232  Joshua Rifkin  CD2/                         Mass in B Minor  BWV 232  Robert Shaw Chorale and Orchestra  CD2/     Mass in B Minor  BWV 232  Von Karajan CD2/
Mass in B Minor  BWV 232  Martin Pearlman CD1/                        Mass in B Minor  BWV 232  Sir Georg Solti and Chicago Orchest…

I only have 5 Bm, and I knew it was an R-guy.

I can see that was back when I wasn’t putting much info in the metadata. Sigh.

Robusto

I know that feeling.

Jasper Loy

Oops, Mari Lou A has a new photo!

tchrist

The Rifkin is controversial because there is no choir to speak of. Normally it is just one voice per part, except where it is doubled at the end, granting two per.

However, the clarity is nonpareil.

Robusto

Well, of course.

tchrist

12:52

Slightly better metadata on the von Karajan:

Robusto

Modern choirs are generally too big for baroque performances.

tchrist

User comments section follows...
        ARTIST=Johan Sebastian Bach
        ALBUM=J. S. Bach Mass in B minor BWV 232 CD 1
        TITLE=Kyrie - Chorus: Kyrie eleison
        TRACKNUMBER=1
        GENRE=Baroque Vocal
        PERFORMER=Herbert von Karajan
        ORGANIZATION=Deutsche Grammophon
        DATE=1974

Robusto

I have that one.

tchrist

I think I must have just accepted the defaults from the database for the Rifkin. Although I fixed the Genre, so I dunno.

I may have done that after the fact.

I like having dates.

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        ARTIST=Johan Sebastian Bach
        ALBUM=Mass in B Minor (Pearlman) Disk 1
        TITLE=Kyrie eleison
        TRACKNUMBER=3
        GENRE=Baroque Vocal
        PERFORMER=Martin Pearlman and the Boston Baroque
        ORGANIZATION=Telarc
        DATE=2000
        DESCRIPTION=performed on period instruments

You can tell I was getting better at marking metadata as I went along.

Jasper Loy

My optical disc drive suddenly cannot read a DVD-RW, any idea what might have happened? I think it is probably damaged.

tchrist

12:55

And on VBR setting.

Jasper Loy

The DVD-RW can be read by another drive with the same specifications.

Anonymous

@JasperLoy Oh, sad!

Jasper Loy

@snailboat I was trying to install Linux Mint 17. In the end I did a USB install instead.

tchrist

@Rob Here’s the complete Rifkin:

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Robusto

@tchrist I will check it out.

tchrist

12:58

It’s the one I hear in my head most often.

We were encouraged to use it for study.

Robusto

@tchrist: Hmm, what means "The first rule of optimization is Don’t"? Are we talking about real optimization or what most people mean when they say the word but really mean refactoring?

Anonymous

@Robusto Something something root of all evil?

tchrist

> Judith Nelson, soprano. Julianne Baird, soprano. Jeffrey Dooley, countertenor. Drew Minter, countertenor. Frank Hoffmeister, tenor. Edmund Brownless, tenor. Jan Opalach, bass. Andrew Walker Schultze, bass.

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